Marvel Animated Features - What Next?

With DC rolling out new movies every couple of months, I been wondering what happened to Marvel?

They released a few good titles, but haven't outmatched DC. So what should they release after Planet Hulk? Well, that could be almost anything. I'm sure it won't sell as well as the DC titles. I have nothing against Marvel. They make really cool characters and story lines that reach the levels of epic. So I have a few choices for future animated projects.

First Secret Wars: you get a bunch of Marvel's best heroes and villains, put them on a planet to fight--nuff said.

Second the INFINITY GAUNTLET, need I say more.

Third 1985, good story and it would be neat to see animated.

Fourth, Old Man Logan, just finished and already full of great moments and real gore. It's time to step it up a notch.

Fifth Sinister Spider-Man, fun story and a funny character.

And last but not least: Marvel zombies.

So post comments and make your pick or add in your suggestions.
Until next time true believers!

BlackAirs87
11/28/2009

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201 Comments

	Why is this in [frick]ing FAN FIC???? By the way im with you on SECRET WARS, perfect for a Animated movie, then GAUNTLET etc!! A DC CRISIS trilogy would be Awesome too! LEEE777 - 11/28/2009, 9:17 PM
	Thor: Tales of Asgard is due out in 2011. it was originally meant to come out this fall but then again.... so was Thor. i'm guessing they pushed it back to help tie in to the Thor movie. also, i would love to a World War Hulk movie, Civil War, Secret War (not Wars), and Wolverine: Origin the way it was intended. Wadey09 - 11/28/2009, 10:43 PM
	Come on, no CIVIL WAR?!!!! joob234 - 11/28/2009, 11:05 PM
	SECRET WARS is a [frick]ing classic!! ALL HAIL THE BEYONDER!!! ; D LEEE777 - 11/28/2009, 11:19 PM
	i think they should start with Secret War (the one where nick fury goes underground, not Secret War"S"). then avengers disassembled. then civil war. that could be a pretty cool line up of movies that would all be connected. but i wouldn't complain if we got any of the ones you listed Blackairs :) infinity gauntlet is CLASSIC!! so is secret wars though. and i don't know, i think Hulk Versus was pretty damn good! i liked that better than any of the DC animated movies so far! ultimate avengers and ultimate avengers 2 had terrible animation, so i didn't like those. avengers next was pretty cool, except it didn't follow anything. CorndogBurglar - 11/28/2009, 11:22 PM
	Marvel Zombies!!! that'd be sweet lol, they're animated movies should be better under the supervision of animation experts disney. if not in story at least in the qaulity of the animations. Boekelaar - 11/29/2009, 12:14 AM
	never really got into the animated movies from either dc or marvel, so i ask this... if i had to watch on3 from either company what movie should i pick up first? PhillyHulk - 11/29/2009, 12:27 AM
	@Lee: Hell yes to a DC Crisis trilogy! I'd also like to see an Identity Crisis animated movie. That would be freakin' sweet! @Joob: Yes! Civil War would be AWESOME! For Marvel movies I'd like to see: Punisher: Origins (Frank Castle+Vietnam+Early Punisher days in all it's gory glory? Can I get a hell yeah?) House of M Civil War Secret Invasion and I'd actually like to see what they could do with Marvel Noir. Those would make some sweet Animated stories I think. IrvineGray - 11/29/2009, 1:02 AM
	Captain America vs Red Skull make it a period peice. SHHH - 11/29/2009, 1:05 AM
	probs w/ marvel zombies is the dialogue, in the graphic novel at least, is soooo [frick]ing cheesy. since a big problem w/ past comic movies is cheesyness it would make me pretty nervous. even hulk/ thor was a bit weird imo. deathmetalbrian - 11/29/2009, 2:37 AM
	Oh man Planet Hulk, that is the story the got me into every comic that is out post PH. Ever since then I have been reading all of marvels title that is out every Wednesday. After planet Hulk they would have to do WWH just because it is a logical progression. Or they could go with the Illuminati's story since they screw the Hulk up. LiquidSnake - 11/29/2009, 2:55 AM
	Marvel is coming out with a few animated movies next year. two animation manga movies that is a Wolverine movie, and a Iron Man movie, plus The Hulk movie their coming out with, and their working on other animated movie projects such as Blade, and Spider-Man. TDKR11 - 11/29/2009, 4:12 AM
	I WISH THEY HAD SECRET WARS STORY ARC AGAIN IN COMICS, EXCEPT UPDATED AND THE RETURN OF THE BEYONDER.. GUNSMITH - 11/29/2009, 4:13 AM
	I wouldnt guarentee that DC will outsell Marvel...judging from rite now,Yes. But if done rite, Marvel has some cult classics that would definately do Great.i personally want to see these titles done justice in Animation: 1) World War Hulk (Hulk kicks our favorite heroes' asses) 2) Onslaught Saga (Magneto's psyche in Prof. X body = trouble) 3) Age Of Apocalypse : The Twelve (Apocalypse tring to gather the twelve mutants that are rumoured to be able to kill him.actually Wolverine as his horseman gathering these mutants is what i want to see) 4) Secret Wars (Beyonder saga....where earth's top heroes and villans are pitted against each other on another planet as teams to fight and finally decide a victor in a neverending battle) 5) Civil War (In my eyes...one of the Greatest Sagas in Comic Book History) Kes - 11/29/2009, 4:51 AM
	CIVIL WAR!!!!!...best story in a long ass time! they could continue with the ultimate animated movies and make ultimates 3 and ultimatum that would be dope... they could maybe make sum animated movies of characters not already in live action like x-factor or x-force... or make animated movies of marvel flops like Fantastic 4, ghost rider, dare devil, etc ~X XmutantX - 11/29/2009, 5:47 AM
	wow there are alot of amazing ideas on here!..i hope sum ppl at marvel see this! ~X XmutantX - 11/29/2009, 5:49 AM
	Start with Secret War and move through the entire Micheal Bendis project would be awesome. I'd also like to see the Thunderbolts get some play. rook187 - 11/29/2009, 5:59 AM
	Wadey's right, Thor: Tales of Asgard, is the next animated movie Marvel will release. After that, though, I would be very happy with either one of these - Crossover: Infinity Gauntlet Team: Excalibur Solo: Moon Knight Nova I can only imagine that most new readers only want to see the modern stuff like House of M or Messiah Complex. Respect the classics, man :) MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 6:04 AM
	how about civil war,or messiah complex,or m day,or the 198,or the scrull invasion,or new x-men,or an updated sentinels story with the x-men,or generation-x,and how about district-x there are alot of things they can really do and i would love to see them use the x-men a little more and maybe spider-man and hulk. 1chris2 - 11/29/2009, 6:44 AM
	Infinity Gauntlet would be without a doubt, top of the list. Its the classic to end all classics. Then I would go with: 1.Days of Future Past. (X-Men) 2.The Korvak Saga (Avengers) 3.Annihilation 4. Deaths Head 2 (Minion) I know this is not a well known run, but in my opinion the 4 issue original series from Marvel UK was an incredible story. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 6:57 AM
	The coming event is gonna be epic! Thor vs the Sentry!! They really have to change up the dialogues though, and get some voice cast like DC! LiquidSnake - 11/29/2009, 7:01 AM
	I concur @ all. As much as I loved Infinity Gauntlet with Ron Lim's art, Secret Wars was epic. Civil War would be my fourth choice after The Messiah Complex story. zoo - 11/29/2009, 7:35 AM
	George Perez was the artist for Infinity Guantlet. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 7:46 AM
	@Liquid: Sentry is a crappy character all around. I can't wait to see Thor beat the living hell out of him. @Hawks: Lim and Perez were both artists on Infinity Gauntlet. MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 7:51 AM
	Sorry but Secret Wars may be regarded as a classic because it was the first real Marvel wide crossover, but it was a load of shite from a writing and character stand point. Seriously, it was bad! Go back and read it again if you don't believe me. Almost every major hero and villain in the Marvel universe, and about 4 of them get any dialog! They focused on Spidey, Reed Richards and the [frick]ing Molecule man! The story was also balls. Marvel have only made one good an9mated movie so far IMO, Hulk Vs..and Planet Hulk is looking good so far. Hopefully the trend continues. I'd love to see an Inhumans movie, or Excalibur, ...but most of all a Civil War or Old Man Logan, imagine how cool either one of those would be? RorMachine - 11/29/2009, 8:03 AM
	Marvel Animation need to step up their designs of the animated films. also i wish they never done that crappy Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow. jazzman - 11/29/2009, 8:15 AM
	The Secret Wars would be a great one. Another one is that alternate universe one that had Hyperion in it. Another good DC one would be Crisis on Infinite Earth. schuellerdg - 11/29/2009, 8:16 AM
	What about when Jean Grey was on trial and the Xmen fought along side the StarJammers against the Zazar Empire. schuellerdg - 11/29/2009, 8:19 AM
	@ ror yeah secret wars was bad, but for the time it was awesome. it would obviously be updated. looking at it like, infinity gauntlet was bad too. they gather all these heroes to fight thanos, but almost NONE of them say more than 2 lines. its mostly adam warlock, silver surfer, doc srange and doom arguing over who should be the leader. everyone else is just there to distract thanos, lol. they're fodder basically. but i DID think secret wars was kinda lame. they took things to the extreme...hulk lifting an 80 gabillion ton mountain? lame. CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 8:22 AM
	@ schuellerdg that would be the dark phoenix saga, lol. and its the Shi'ar empire. CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 8:23 AM
	@ multi i kind of like the sentry :) he's superman with flaws! i know he was basically created as a joke, but he's fairly badass when he wants to be. he's just never written correctly. but if he let loose, Thor wouldn't stand a chance against him. sentry fought hulk to a stalemate. and it was the strongest/smartest hulk we've ever seen. thor has NEVER been able to do that! but again, sentry actually let loose against hulk, which is really the only time he's done that. it just depends on WHICH sentry shows up. CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 8:27 AM
	oh HELL yeah.. A Nova anime? Moon Knight? Infinity Gauntlet? freaking good choices, Multi! That would be so great DarthMulder - 11/29/2009, 8:33 AM
	@CDB: Thor never used his full potential fighting the Hulk.; he didn't even know what his full potential was. Now not only is he the unrestrained God of Thunder, but he wields the Odin-force. Hulk wouldn't stand a chance against Thor anymore. I've heard that same excuse for Sentry before: "he's just never written correctly". I think he's written exactly like he's supposed to be and it's your perception that is wrong. Maybe people expect him to be more than what he is. Is he very powerful? Yes, but his weaknesses can't be ignored because they limit his capability. Sentry is a split-personality agoraphobic what spontaneously com busts when he gets too excited. @Darth: Thanks, there are others I would want, but those four I picked are for specific reasons: Infinity Gauntlet - DC has Crisis coming out, Marvel needs a crossover like this to compete. Simple story and easily adapted. Plus, it's too soon for a Civil War animated movie. Excalibur - Time to market some bad-ass heroes that aren't just American. Who better than Captain Britain. Moon Knight - Dark, dark, dark, gritty. Live action is too risky, animated would work perfectly. Just think Spawn animated series with more action. Nova - Again, DC already released a Green Lantern animated movie and a live action one is pending. Marvel needs to show that they have some stellar heroes as well. If they wait too long, it will look like they are just making sht up to copy DC. MultiPurposePoni* - 11/29/2009, 8:33 AM
	SECRET WARS started it all of, SECRET WARS is a must FIRST!!! ; ) LEEE777 - 11/29/2009, 8:40 AM
	Your not a comic book fan if you liked BORIGINS and hated SECRET WARS!!! ; D LEEE777 - 11/29/2009, 8:42 AM
	Multi---- I forgot Lim did the last 3 issues because his work is so damn similar to Perez's you don't notice the change. CDB------ The Sentry is crazy as all hell. Hes never even sure of what he is doing, which pretty much voids most of his power.( no pun intended ) LEEE----- I hated secret wars. Nova needs a chance to shine so bad, its ridiculous. He is one of Marvels most overlooked yet important, rellevant, powerfull and interesting characters. Also an adaptation of the original Adam Warlock could be unbelievable. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 8:45 AM
	I HATED BORIGINS!!! : D LEEE777 - 11/29/2009, 8:52 AM
	ONSLAUGHT SAGA...CLASSIC, and lets not forget CIVIL WAR RomeyRome2002 - 11/29/2009, 8:56 AM
	@LEEE: Yes, we all know you hate Wolverine. Everyone on this site, even our significant others, know how much you hate that Wolverine. Even people that read Google News and MSN know that you hate it. I'm sure members of every other site you post on know you hate it too. You have officially established that you hate X-Men Origins: Wolverine. *Now can you please Shut The Fck Up about it already?!?!** It's fcking annoying bro, cut it out. @Romey: Onslaught was a letdown to me personally, a big buildup and with a shtty plot and ending. MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 8:57 AM
	@ hawksblue oh i see what you did there, lol :) @ multi yeah, he's like he's meant to be written, and if he didn't have his flaws then he would be the easy answer for every problem. so i guess i agree with you there. i still don't know though, thor is definately one of my favorite marvel characters, but there's gotta be someone that can give him a fight. and i think sentry is the only one that can do that. and if sentry lost it and went all Void on him, then who knows what would happen. void broke every bone in hulk's body! hulk couldn't even touch him! CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 8:59 AM
	@ romey onslaught WAS bad ass...well the buildup anyway. the story went completely to shit about half way in though. and that ending?? ugh CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 9:01 AM
	i would love an age of apocalypse animated movie. that would be tits! AoA was the best marvel story of our generation. and possibly of all time! CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 9:03 AM
	Am I the only one on this site to read this 4 issue limited series. I have mentioned it a couple times but no one has ever commented on it. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 9:11 AM
	@hawksblueyes-I have a few issues of this from years back(i think geoff senior was the artist then, he also did dragon's claws which ended after a very limited run) but haven't read any updated versions yet FORTAPACHE - 11/29/2009, 9:28 AM
	@Multi Yeah Sentry is a bitch, but he is a powerhouse so gotta love that aspect of it! If Rune King Thor shows up he will match Sentry easily! Thor has been a bitch lately also, got schooled by RULK so its about time he pound someone! LiquidSnake - 11/29/2009, 9:29 AM
	Personally I don't hate Secret Wars. There was some particularly bad writing at times, that's for sure. Like Ror said, the focus on Molecule Man and Spider Man was pretty annoying. But I am just nuts about Marvel crossovers in general. It was such a thrill seeing FF, Avengers, X - Men, and all the excellent indies like Hulk and Spidey team up together that it's hard for me to say that it sucked. In fact I can't say that because there has never been a crossover that big EVER before or since. Infinity wars, Crusade etc had a lot of heroes but they were all divided up and fighting amongst themselves. They made Alpha Flight look like they were so weak, which is pretty wrong. But only in the pages of Secret wars 1 have we ever gotten the unmitigated pleasure of the better part of the Marvel U consolidated into an ARMY. A single fighting force. Maybe if they made that into an animated movie they could fix some of what was broken before. And they NEED to add Daredevil, Alpha Flight, Dr Strange, and Heroes For Hire!! Yeah DC Crisis is another one that's long over due! And I SO agree with Multi about Captain Brittain and Excalibur. That's kind a dream team anyway. Cappy B, Nightcrawler, Kitty as an adult, and my favorite from the '80's, the long suffering Rachel Summers. DarthMulder - 11/29/2009, 9:29 AM
	[frick] Sentry lol How can someone so powerful be such a wet blanket? I just want him to go away. Besides... Marvel Comics already has it's Superman. It's called bloody THOR!!! DarthMulder - 11/29/2009, 9:36 AM
	@DarthMulder - Awesome name btw. Current Dark Avenger acr is focusing on the Molecule Man atm. I must say he is one powerful dude. They recon Beyonder atm so I reckon MM can take him! Man if they do DC event it would have to be BLACKEST NIGHT that shit was hollering!!! Even when he is dead Brucey is still a powerhouse! LiquidSnake - 11/29/2009, 9:39 AM
	Multi, Lee was just mentioning it that time because I said I didn't like Secret Wars, but I did enjoy Wolverine, so in some way that means I'm not a real comic fan. His logic is almost as eschewed as his taste it would seem;)..sorry Lee but you ssked for that, after all, by your rationale, how can anyone who claims to like the FF movie be a real comic fan?? Of course I loved Secret Wars as a kid, but even then I honestly noticed the awful writing. Reading it as an adult is actually funny at times. The dialog is borderline playschool stuff. "You will not win Magneto, because we are the good guys and you are a bad guy"..haha, im exaggerating but it actually wasn't too far off! Maybe Im being too harsh, after all it was a product of its time and all that. I like Sentry! The fact that he is so powerful but so useless is the whole point. Its original at the very least..and makes for some cool stories. Hawks, I read that story in a mag that was out years ago called Overkill, it was a British compilation comic. It has another character called Purge..and lots more that I can't really remember! RorMachine - 11/29/2009, 9:44 AM
	lulz no it's not far off at all Ror That stuff about not being a real fan is baloney and everybody (including LEEE) knows it. That's just talk and empty hype. It's LEEE's way of telling us he feels strongly about it lol @ Liquid Snake: Oh yeah MM is powerful alright. But he's still just a dork and a boring character in every other way than his power. Do you recommend reading Dark Avengers? DarthMulder - 11/29/2009, 9:53 AM
	I remember enjoying the version of the secret wars on the spiderman cartoon more than the actual comic so I think an animated feature would work nicely. Also, I'd like to see a Frontline movie with Ben Urlich. I loved those comics during civil war and WWH so a cartoon from that perspective would be amazing. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 10:18 AM
	Besides peeps.. Secret Wars wasn't even the first huge Marvel crossover. It was actually the the second. The first one was Contest of Champions " /> " /> lol it was a lot dumber than SW was believe me DarthMulder - 11/29/2009, 10:23 AM
	it would be nice to see 3 ultimate spiderman movies luffycapri - 11/29/2009, 10:24 AM
	I think I'd most like to see a Civil War animated movie, hopefully done in the style of Steve McNiven's art - that would be [frick]ing awesome! Personally, I hate The Sentry - the Paul Jenkins 8 part mini series from a few years ago was crap and I havent really read any decent stories featuring the character...saying that though, Bendis' recent stuff with The Sentry in 'Dark Avengers' has been a little better and made him a bit more interesting..! Because of that I am now looking forward to finding out more about him in 'Siege' especially after Bendis recently said this... "Sentry is the most polarizing character, that I can think of, in the Marvel Universe. People love him, or they fking hate him, or they love to hate him… or they just hate him. He is a Superman character, almost a DC Universe character, in the middle of the Marvel Universe. No one knows if he's alive or dead or a god or a being of light or darkness. All of these questions will be answered in Siege and the surrounding tie-ins. But that storyline will come to a climax. We're going to turn all of our Sentry cards over." JoshW** - 11/29/2009, 10:32 AM
	The Mutant Massacre Inferno The Evolutionary War Azathoth - 11/29/2009, 10:36 AM
	i dont reccommend DARK AVENGEERS it IS NOT worth the hype. i plan on buying it until the end of SEIGE. 3 ANIMATED MARVEL MOVIES I WANT? 1. SECRET WARS 2. DAYS OF FURURE PAST 3. AGE OF APOCOLYPSE dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 10:37 AM
	The Kree Skrull war would be a damn cool film. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 10:45 AM
	WITH THE SUCCESS OF THE IRON MAN FILMS ; ARMOR WARS COULD BE COOL! dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 10:45 AM
	@ schuellerdg -- Dark Phoenix Saga is the title you're looking for about Jean Grey. The rise and fall of Phoenix 30 years ago is possibly the best X-Men storyline ever IMO. Days of Future Past is right up there with the Dark Phoenix Saga. That whole run by Claremont and Byrne/Cockrum was just epic though. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 10:52 AM
	TDH--- That run is what made the X-Men what they are today. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 11:06 AM
	dellamorte1872: I've actually found Dark Avengers pretty good so far - it should be interesting to see what happens to the title after Siege! I cant say that any of the Avengers titles feel all that essential though...Mighty Avengers is ok but the team roster isnt all that great and the artwork has been pretty hit and miss. New Avengers is a good read but I'm sick of seeing The Hood and his gang in almost every single issue! JoshW - 11/29/2009, 11:11 AM
	@Hawks: Phoenix Saga is a great story :) I haven't heard anyone say different. The thing about an animated Phoenix Saga film is that the 90s X-Men cartoon laid it out already between 4-5 episodes. Since Marvel just released the X-Men animated series on DVD, I doubt they would redo it right now. That's not to say it shouldn't or won't be done, but there are so many other projects that need general audience attention. What do you think? MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 11:14 AM
	@ Hawks -- Agreed. That was the era I started reading the X-Men, so it really sets the tone for what I like in stories about our favorite mutants. My top 10 suggestions for Marvel Animated DVDs would be, in no particular order... 1. Dark Phoenix Saga (1980) 2. Days of Future Past (1981) 3. Inferno (1988) 4. X-Tinction Agenda (1991) 5. Armor Wars (1988) 6. Fall of the Mutants (1988) 7. Days of Future Present (1990) 8. Fatal Attractions (1993) 9. Squadron Supreme (Gruenwald's 12 issue epic from 1985-1986) 10. Nick Fury vs. SHIELD (1988) TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 11:19 AM
	id have to say an x-men animated feature would be great, especially on of the more violent events like the mutant masacre, all the morlocks being murdered and the x-men being crippled. that would make a good movie or even a brood x-men saga, or just the brood with any story line. but more recently, id love to see Oldman Logan or anything from the Dark Reign TellyAddict - 11/29/2009, 11:21 AM
	@Multi -- I had forgotten about the DVDs being released for the cartoon version of Dark Phoenix Saga. Good call there. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 11:22 AM
	@Demon: I try to keep things like that into account when I think of the progression of these films. Marvel shouldn't put the same the same storyline out twice in the same medium. Especially since there are TONS of other stories they can introduce (i.e. Nova, Excalibur, Alpha Flight, Team X). Crossovers aside, which characters or teams do you think should think deserve an animated film? MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 11:24 AM
	I really don't understand all the outcry for an animated Civil War DVD. The premise was just a rehash of the Mutant Registration Act 20 years ago, just with any character traits taken to extreme for shock value in the story. shrugs TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 11:30 AM
	In all honesty Marvel could make a full length animated movie every year for just about every one of their main titles focusing on either classic stories or completely new ones and they would sell. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 11:31 AM
	TheDemonHunter: So you werent at all impressed by Spider-Man unmasking, Bill Foster dying or scenes like this... :P The series was excellent IMO with brilliant writing and amazing art. It featured so many great moments Im not suprised that Civil War is such a popular choice for an animated movie! JoshW - 11/29/2009, 11:41 AM
	joshw-----Those 3 scenes were 3 of the major reasons I hated Civil War. It destroyed 40 years worth of character ideals and friendships for the sake of shock value. I understand they wanted to shake up the status quo. In my estimation it has been destroyed to the point of no turning back. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 11:53 AM
	World War Hulk seems a no brainer. And now that they have the rights, Marvel Man. Unlikely since its a mature reader story but man oh man it would be awesome. 1602 Marvel Zombies Earth X Long Shot original mini juggy4711 - 11/29/2009, 11:58 AM
	@ Demonhunter: It's because it's bigger in scope that the MRA which took place mostly in the pages of Uncanny X Men. DarthMulder - 11/29/2009, 11:59 AM
	Hawksblueyes: Really? I completely understand your point about shock value but despite that I think it was a genuinely interesting thing to see heroes like Captain America and Iron Man on different sides for a change! To completely turn back though would be foolish IMO, they just moved the MU on and for the better I think - after 40 years of not a lot of change, the past 10 years has really re-shaped the MU into something new and even more interesting! However, Siege is supposed to be the finale of everything thats happenned (Avengers Disassembled, House of M, Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign etc) so it'll be interesting to see where things go from there..! :) JoshW - 11/29/2009, 12:01 PM
	Poor Spidey has been unmasked - masked- unmasked- masked, how many times now in the last 5 years? All because none of this stuff they are writing fits together ,ANYWHERE. Hell, Thor and Nova and anything that doesn't concern on planet activity is about all I read anymore. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 12:08 PM
	I really liked the unmasking of spiderman, I thought it brought a new dimension to the character...I just wished he had stayed unmasked the whole one more day thing was kind of weird. I get why they did it, but I liked spidey having to deal with the world knowing who he was. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 12:13 PM
	@Multi -- I agree completely, especially since the cartoon version was actually handled pretty well, even toned down for Saturday mornings. I'd like to see animated titles for Psylocke, Moon Knight, Spider-Girl, Beta Ray Bill, or Blade, just off the top of my head. They might not be likely, but then again, I never expected Doc Strange when they announced that one. @Hawks -- You pretty well summed up my thoughts on Civil War in a nutshell. @josh -- You just need to read more. Cap and Iron Man have not always been on the same side. Look at Armor Wars, as an example. That was a far more realistic portrayal of what could separate them as friends than having it set up that Tony Stark goes Macchiavelli and basically turns into an old school Doctor Doom clone over mandatory registration for all superhumans. @Darth -- Bigger does not always mean better. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 12:15 PM
	I really don't understand the mind set behind not wanting things shaken up in the comics. Hawks/Demon, things have got to evolve. Would you be happy with the same old shit year after year , all friends together? "It destroyed 40 years worth of character ideals and friendships for the sake of shock value." Damn right it did and it was a brave move. My God, its called drama! And even if it was done for shock value at times, so what!! Its good to be shocked and taken out of the superhero/super villain comfort zone. Civil War had its problems, but Millar's writing elevated it far above the usual crossover battle story. RorMachine - 11/29/2009, 12:24 PM
	@thwht -- The unmasking of Spidey was one of the worst decisions ever and is an example of "let's make our characters do something completely against everything they stand for so we can shock people and maybe drum up sales!" Same goes for the in-story retcon deal. That was so stupid. Character growth isn't a bad thing when handled well. Marrying MJ was a natural progression, for example, and it made sense in context of who Peter Parker is and what he's lived through. Unmasking does not, as it places everyone he knew at risk. Remember that whole responsibility thing he's supposed to take so seriously? And then by retconning everything, Joe Q and company essentially said they have no imagination for where to take one of their flagship characters. Pathetic. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 12:24 PM
	Hawksblueyes-- Problem is no one knows who DeathsHead is anymore. I don't even remember and I collected it. 1602, Marvel Zombies, Tales of Future past would all be awesome. Those first few issues of Excaliber are really good and strange and would make a great animated feature. I'm not a big fan of the huge epic crossover stories. Almost all of them are a huge let down and don't change much. Half the time everything is set back perfectly the way it was. I think in cartoon form the "Epic" story's flaws would just be accentuated. I say PASS on all epic stories until the common person is more familiar with all the characters. Betty - 11/29/2009, 12:26 PM
	Hawksblueyes: Thats one hell of an exaggeration, lol! He unmasked during Civil War and then his identity was made secret again (in the admittedly messy) One More Day! thwhtGuardian: I agree, he should have stayed unmasked for a lot longer - there were a lot more interestings stories that could have been told whic was unfortunately squeezed into a few months! Still, apparently we're going to get some answers next year as to how the world forgot his identity so that should clear things up hopefully! TheDemonHunter: I have to disagree - they may have been on the different sides before in the past but never to the extent they were in Civil War where they actually hated each other! As for comparing Iron Man to Doctor Doom, I have to disagree with you on that one as well - though I supported Cap, 600 people died because heroes werent more closely monitored so I can undertand Tony's motivation behind his actions even if at times it seemed he was more villain that hero! ROR: I completely agree! :) JoshW - 11/29/2009, 12:28 PM
	@Ror -- Change is good. Sometimes people change, and that's to be expected. Repeated change, over and over, purely for shock value, is not. Bringing Bucky back was a shock value move. Killing Cap was a shock value move. Replacing Cap with Bucky was a shock value move. And you know something? It's just a bigger rehash of yet another storyline from 20 years ago, just pumped up for shock value. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 12:37 PM
	I think they should just go with some of their lesser known characters(i.e Moon Knight),and go with Secret War(not Wars) and go into Civil War. Oh and I also would like to see a Thunderbolts film after an Onslaught film or Avengers disassembled.Oh and maybe a Runaways or Young Avengers film InSpace - 11/29/2009, 12:40 PM
	I don't think it was against his character though, he's always about being responsible with his powers, and in the case of the registration act he felt that it was his responsibility to obey the law. The internal conflict surrounding that decision was beautiful in my opinion, and so was his later decision to join captain america and rebel against the government heroes. I loved seeing spidey on the run from shield, and the grief that it caused him knowing that he was putting his family in danger, it felt quintessentially spiderman to me. And then they screwed it up with one more day. Generally I agree with betty, crossovers are rarely good. But I really loved the level of storytelling in civil war. However, I did wait until it was collections, no way was I shelling out for all those titles. I think that's why most of the epic stories are flawed, it simply to hard to follow a story through so many titles. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 12:40 PM
	Ror and josh---- I'm not against shaking things up at all, but lets look at what they accomplished. 1.unmasked Spidey-------Which they had to correct in a completely screwed up manner as admitted by josh 2. killed Captain America------- again big mistake that couldn't stand and is now a convoluted mess with 2 Caps and a goofy ass Reborn saga 3.officialy broke up the big 3s friendship------ if Im not mistaken, they are being reunited in Siege So, basically what we have is a story that has implications and events that can not be allowed to stand. Not only that, but fixing them to any believable extent is going to be a mess. And the Avengers,Fantastic Four , X-Men and every other hero in the Marvel Universe have been destroying every city in the world over the years with thier knock down drag outs, Iron Man included. Theres no way there has not been innocent casualties before The New Warriors little fiasco. It was not a high horse Stark would have dared jumped on. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 12:43 PM
	Well, I think thats down to personal taste don't you? Personally, I like shock value..its shocking! As for the rehash thing, well, thats super hero comics for ya! Civil War may not have been original, but like I said, the writing was top notch..and the art for that matter. The super hero genre doesn't lend itself to very many original work because these characters have been around for so long that their is a finite number of situations and scenarios that the writers can..or more accurately, are willing to take them. And when someone like Millar attempts to, its shit on for "shock value". Thats why I moved away from Super hero type comics..or at least Marvel super hero comics for the most part. I still read pretty much anything by Millar, some X titles, Avengers..but stuff like The Authority or The Boys have taken the genre to places Marvel will never go. And once you read something like Neil Gaimen's Sandman(as Multi will attest to), it can be hard to go back to the capes! Haws, yes the after math stories were a bit of a mess, but thats not Civil War's fault! Its a self contained story..Marvel are just pussies that can't stick to their guns:) RorMachine - 11/29/2009, 12:47 PM
	fixing them is where they went wrong, I think that if the changes were allowed to stand they'd be great. Yeah, it's true that they were intended for shock value, but the stories were beautifully told in my opinion. They were great plot points that worked well for the stories. Some times elements created for shock value work out way better than intended...if they are allowed to develop. Just look at the Death of Superman arch, it was solely intended to create buzz and get people to read comics again. It was a completely commercial story in that respect. However it was beautifully told, and is considered one of the greatest moments in Superman's publication history. I think spiderman's unmasking could have been in that league if it had been allowed to develop. It was not to be though as it was marred by the events of One More Day, which was way against the ideals of Spiderman. A deal with the Devil for selfish reasons? Come on, why would pete do that? But spiderman unmasking himself out of a sense of patriotism and responsibility? That sounds right to me. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 12:51 PM
	thwhtGuardian: I made the mistake of buying every single tie in issue and really wish I hadnt! A lot of them werent essential and some were just crap! Now, whenevers theres a big event I just buy the titles that are essential to the overall storyline and the ones about characters Im interested in! Hawksblueyes: To be fair, nothing last forever in any medium whether its comic books, movies or TV shows! Things always end up going back to normal in some way! One More Day was not done well but Im just waiting for this so called big storyline coming next year that explains everything before I decide whether or not it was a complete [frick] up! :D We all knew Steve would come back (no one stays dead in comic books after all) but the storylines since his death have been a great read! Reborn has been brilliant IMO and Bucky has been a brilliant Cap! If he had never died we wouldnt have had those stories - as ROR said, its called drama! TheDemonHunter: What would you like to see in comic books then if everything is just a rehash? Id rather see these big events and storylines, shock value or not, rather than have things never change! JoshW - 11/29/2009, 12:58 PM
	josh---The whole thing may as well have been a dream sequence. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 1:06 PM
	@Ror: I don't disliked Sentry either. I think he serves his purpose, he's Osborn's intimidation factor. The way you describe him is perfect: so powerful but so useless! I just think it's time for Thor to kick his ass :) Do you think he can successfully take on Thor? As for the animated feature debate, I don't think having a Civil War one is the right move at this time. Marvel needs to mainstream alot more of their characters before trying to tackle that story, whether it's animated or live action. Civil War would make Marvel fans happy, but it would only confuse the hell out of anyone else. General audiences only know about maybe 5% of Marvel characters. Animated movies are the best way to showcase ones that won't have solo films. Like Hawks said, Marvel should release an animated film every year showcasing a new character. MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 1:12 PM
	that's true hawksblueyes, but that's the fault of later stories. Civil War itself though was a great story. I don't think that greatness should be over looked because of some scared editors. To negate civil war because of one more day would be like never watching The Godfather because you heard part 3 wasn't that great. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 1:14 PM
	CIVIL WAR CIVIL WAR CIVIL WAR!!!!!!! ToMMaN - 11/29/2009, 1:17 PM
	I hope Bendis will actually kill off or just somehow get rid of The Sentry in 'Siege' - he's said that the characters, "storyline will come to a climax." and I just hope that means the end of him in one way or the other - he's no longer interesting and whoever writes him (Bendis in Dark Avengers, Fraction in Uncanny X-Men, Hurwitz in Moon Knight, Remender in Punisher) I just dont like the character! I hope Thor kicks his ass! :) JoshW - 11/29/2009, 1:30 PM
	Wow..im glad i made this post...so many suggestions and agreements...thank you all for commenting. BlackAirs87 - 11/29/2009, 1:35 PM
	it's fun to think about blackairs thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 1:39 PM
	Plus I ran out of porn. MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 1:42 PM
	im hopeing captian america next he is my #1 all time favorite #2 is the hulk Marvel Rules - 11/29/2009, 1:42 PM
	@Marvel Rules: They're not going to make a Captain America animated movie since a live action film is in development. Plus, they already have 5 animated films featuring the Hulk. It's getting old very fast. MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 1:50 PM
	@josh -- lol Lemme get this straight. You think it was lame at how they did things with One More Day, but you've let them string you along until two years after the fact to decide if it was worth staying for? Seriously? You'll let them string you along for two years after that train wreck, in the hopes it might be okay eventually if some big event next year comes through with explaining what shouldn't have been needed to begin with? lol No offense, that's just mind-boggling to me... If the writers and artists now are so great, why do they keep rehashing the stories from 20 years ago and then cranking it up just for shock value, which you guys have admitted is all it is? And when they're not doing that, they're completely rewriting a character or team's history and characterization to suit the story they want to tell, instead of just telling their story with characters that actually behave the way they want or have the back story they want. Exactly how much creativity and imagination does it take to do that? You want to see someone impress me? Have them create a new villain, a new subplot, a new whatever. Find a new situation that actually makes sense and fits in the context of what has happened before. Use current events to show how that affects the characters, instead of creating some made up, over-the-top world-altering event every few months. Anyone can write a story where everything changes completely. Show me a writer who can make a well-crafted story that doesn't contradict everything else written for the character and isn't just a rehash of someone else's big idea. You want characters to change? Work it into stories so that it's not the only thing happening. Give me reasoning for it outside the big mega-crossover event of the month in the character's regular title. For that matter, enough of the big events for a while. Prove they can write the small stuff, within the context of what came before them before working their changes in to rewrite the history of the universe/multiverse/microverse/hypertime/dimension/Yancy Street. I'd love to see six months go by without hype of next month's mega-crossover-event where "everyone will die including the people we just resurrected last month!" I mean come on.... The character has problems in being related to the readers? Figure out how to get them out of it with actual story content in a manner that makes sense instead of having the main hero making a deal with the devil to wipe it all away. (That was a bunch of crap anyway since there was another separate continuity in publication that dealt with young, single Spidey instead of married Spidey) Bucky staying dead in comics was one of the biggest things that haunted Cap for years. It's one of those character-defining deals that made sure that he and the readers knew that what he does is serious business, and that in war, sometimes good people die for no good reason. Bucky was a sidekick with no powers or Super Soldier serum, and he died fighting the Nazis like thousands of other regular guys did in WWII, and that resonated with a lot of people. It was a tie to Cap's past and to the era he came from. I could go on for days and days of examples like this.... TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 1:52 PM
	@Demon: Have you read the Cap story 'The Chosen'? It's not part of mainstream Marvel continuity, but it's my favorite Cap story of late by far. Writing, artistry, creativity all work hand in hand beautifully. I'd like your thoughts on it. MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 1:56 PM
	i agree with @HAWKS...IF CIVIL WAR REALLY CHANGED THINGS IT WOULD BE GROUNDBREAKING, IT WOULD BE "HISTORIC" BUT IT WAS THE QUCKEST RETCON EVENT IN A WHILE. REMEMBER THINGS LIKE CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, IT TOOK 20 YRS TO RETCON dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 1:57 PM
	I still think spidey's unmasking was true to form Demon hunter, and I'm not one of those people being strung along hoping there is some event that fixes one more day. And While I agree marvel has gotten a bit carried away with all the events, I still think civil war was great. And like I said, shock value isn't all bad, with out it we wouldn't have had stories like the death of Gwen Stacey, Death of Superman,or planet hulk. Sure for all the great shock stories that are great there are a dozen that are not so great, but that's how comics work in general. Comic books are a crap shoot, it's always been about events and shock and it always will be. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 2:08 PM
	twG---- Gwen Stacey is an absolute classic and groundbreaker and possibly a novelty, for the simple reason that she stayed dead. PH and WWH both had a purpose and were fantastic stories. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 2:13 PM
	@Multi -- Haven't read that one.... I think.... I'll need to check. @dellamorte -- Crisis on Infinite Earths was flawed from the start in how they put things together in the aftermath. They've been launching fresh retcon events every few years when the editors realize that the previous one made just as big a mess. Crisis was followed by Zero Hour, which was followed by Identity Crisis, which was followed by Infinite Crisis, which was followed by Final Crisis. They really need someone to oversee the whole thing and provide some sort of story bible for their continuity after one of these events and then have their editors mandate that new stories follow it. That's not likely to happen though, so I'm willing to bet that in another five or six years, they'll wind up with some more paradoxes that make someone in the editorial staff decide they need to retcon and/or reboot the multiverse/whateververse again. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 2:16 PM
	NOW OSBORNE IS BACK AND GWEN AND HE HAVE ILLEGITIMATE KIDS...LOL THEY HAVE [frick]ED THE CHARACTER OF SPIDER-MAN TOO MUCH TO EVER BE REDEEMED I THINK WITH "ALL THE NEW DIRECTIONS THEY TRY LIKE BND" LOL! dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 2:19 PM
	@Demon: If you would have read it, you would have definitely remembered it. It was written by Davil Morrell, the same guy that wrote First Blood (Rambo) MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 2:21 PM
	The only story that ever shocked me and still made sense with a plausible reset afterwards, was Avengers #177 These Who Lay Dying. I remember reading that issue as a kid and thinking with every new panel that comics would never be the same again. The Avengers were really being killed. Up until then nothing like that had ever taken place. It sorta bugged me durring Avengers dissasemble, that the Beast recalled that, as his favorite adventure, as no one was ever supposed to remember it. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 2:23 PM
	TheDemonHunter: I think you misunderstood - I didnt like the way OMD was handled but Im going to reserve final judgement until I have the whole story. BND has been excellent IMO. As for the rest of your comment, I cant agree with you in the least Im afraid! I think you're completely over exaggerating by making remarks like, "I'd love to see six months go by without hype of next month's mega-crossover-event where "everyone will die including the people we just resurrected last month!" Personally, I enjoy change and wouldnt want things to forever remain the same! JoshW - 11/29/2009, 2:27 PM
	It was still told purely for shock value though hawks. They had no other intentions other than generating buzz. Same with PH and WWH, they were both event comics created with the sole purpose of generating readership. But they were well written, which makes them more. And I think civil war was well written as well and if it wasn't for one more day I think it'd be up there with all the rest. And I agree with you demonhunter on the subject of DC's crisis books, although they can be fun to read, they do do so much damage to the continuity of the heroes that it makes some of their origins so convoluted that it's hard to approach for new readers. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 2:27 PM
	Multi--- how many issues is that series? I've been meaning to pick that one up. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 2:28 PM
	@Hawks: I don't know, I bought it in hardcover. It's well worth the money (around $12 on eBay). Go pick it up, you won't be disappointed :) MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 2:30 PM
	Infinity Gauntlet hands down. Growing up, that story was the shit! My introduction to way great storytelling can be in a comics medium. Would be epic Banner123 - 11/29/2009, 2:32 PM
	twg--- Actually your wrong about Gwen Stacey. Her character was about as dull as a 20 year old paint job and the writers knew it. Instead of changing her character completely which wouldn't work, they had a better option just waiting to be used in wild little MJ. Gwen was killed to make way for Mary Jane and it was a good decision. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 2:32 PM
	@thwht -- Shock value events can be good. You can't do them constantly though, or they lose their impact on the readers. While I admit that the Death of Gwen Stacy is even before my time (published right about when I was born actually), it certainly was a huge, groundbreaking event. It also took place early on in Spidey's existence though. Keep in mind that the character had only been around for 10 years, and the shocking event of his girlfriend's death at the hands of the Goblin reinforced Spidey's beliefs. It didn't change his beliefs or his overall picture of life. The biggest change was actually to Mary Jane, who in the aftermath was shown to have some actual emotional depth instead of just being the carefree party girl she'd been shown as to that point. The Death and Return of Superman were also well done, and I have them in my collection. They were events that affected how those characters felt at that time, but only one character, Hal Jordan, went from heroic figure to villain at the time. Even then Hal was already shown to be one of several Green Lanterns on earth. His fall to so-called villainy wasn't about being evil so much as just being desperately despondant over the loss of everyone he loved in the city he had sworn to protect. It drove him over the edge of madness into a dark, dark place. Even as Parallax, Hal just wanted to set things right as he saw them. Planet Hulk I have no opinion on. Haven't read it. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 2:32 PM
	Multi--- Thanks I will. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 2:33 PM
	Has anybody read The Korvak Saga that concludes in Avengers #177? Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 2:36 PM
	I do agree that the whole death and rebirth stuff is done far too much. If you have the guts to kill off a character, have the guts to keep him dead..at least for a substantial amount of time. And if the character is felt to big too big or important to kill for good..well, don't kill him at all! RorMachine - 11/29/2009, 2:39 PM
	Hawksblueyes: Its six issues long! (I just noticed that it says so on the cover, lol) :P JoshW - 11/29/2009, 2:40 PM
	Lmao @ josh -- well thats embarrasing, thank you. Ror--- I agree with your last statement 100%. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 2:42 PM
	just because her character was dull doesn't mean that the comic wasn't purely a sensational event, they could have gotten rid of her in a dozen different ways that didn't involve death, but death sells so they went with it. It was meant to draw in readers, and it did. Peter's unmasking was a great story telling tool in my opinion. It reinforced his belief in responsibility, and opened him up to brand new internal conflicts. Sure it's fun to watch spiderman bash enemies, but he's at his greatest when he's battling himself which is what civil war did really great. Before he was always worried about what would happen if a villain unmasked him, it was a hypothetical, but after he unmasked himself it became real and now he wasn't just worrying about what could happen, but it seemed to him that he was worrying about what was going to happen. It was no longer an idle possibility it was now an immanent threat and I really liked that new angle. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 2:44 PM
	@multi -- Morrell, huh? Very interesting indeed. I'll need to check that out. Thanks for the tip! @thwht -- Maybe we should start a pool, betting on how long it takes for the next DC reboot? :D @josh -- Oh that was definitely an exaggeration, but it's how it feels sometimes. :) I mean seriously, let things go for a bit, establish a baseline of normality for the titles and characters, and then the events might actually be more interesting once in a while. I'm just a big fan of having drama as part of the regular goings-on for characters instead of having to constantly be induced by some major event. Just because a writer is forced to stay within the confines of established continuity doesn't mean they can't find dramatic situations for the characters that can test their beliefs and maybe make them re-examine their life. I'd like to see it happen with a little more subtlety than a brick through the windshield, you know? Those are the kinds of changes that usually stick for a person. Otherwise it's just a reaction to something shocking and they go back to their old ways after. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 2:52 PM
	TheDemonHunter: I completely understand where you're coming from! As much as I (mostly) enjoy them, the big events have become a bit too much of a muchness the past few years - There's an event, then a years worth of faloout until the next one (Civil War - The Initiative, Secret Invasion - Dark Reign) and I get why you find that tedious! Siege is supposed to be the finale of the past 7 years worth of events so maybe things will calm down from here! :) JoshW - 11/29/2009, 2:57 PM
	For real demonhunter lol. I mean final crisis? Really? There won't be another? thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 3:01 PM
	Oh, and whilst we're on the subject of Spider-Man's identity I can finally post this picture I found that I've been holding onto for a while! :D JoshW - 11/29/2009, 3:02 PM
	@Ror -- I agree with your comment on death and rebirth for the most part. I'm a huge fan of Jean Grey, but if they'd let her stay dead (as was the plan when they wrote her death) I think it would have had more impact in the long run and meant something. As an avatar of the Phoenix Force though, her rebirth shouldn't have been a surprise. I liked the line from AoA they used to contrast her death there to her mainstream death(s). "Through his pain, Logan remembers a myth of old, of a beautiful bird that was so worshipped, it would be reborn from death's ashes. But though he desperately wants to believe otherwise, he knows that his beloved Jean is no Phoenix." Loved that kind of contrast being shown throughout the end of AoA. Bringing back Superman... that I was okay with actually. He's DC's flagship character and as a Kryptonian, he has powers far beyond those of mere mortal man, so simply being in some super deep coma was something I kind of expected, to be honest. Bringing back Captain America... I love Cap as much as anyone else here does, but when they killed him off, they should have let him stay dead. It would have been symbolic of the fact that after 9/11 our world and our nation effectively changed forever, perhaps in a manner not seen since Pearl Harbor, which was one of the events that followed Cap's creation. Pass the mask and shield to someone else for this new era for our country, and no, not Bucky. A new super-soldier maybe. Maybe someone from our Special Forces. Someone they could write with a clean slate if they really wanted the change. That's what they should have done if they really wanted the story to have some kind of real impact instead of just trying to generate buzz to boost sales. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 3:09 PM
	@ Hawksblueyes: On the Korvac question, yes I have. I have at least two issues with Korvac in it. But what i don't have in comics I learned about by reading his Marvel Universe Handbook Deluxe Edition entry. That is one HELL of a great story, and it would make a hell of great story. DarthMulder - 11/29/2009, 3:14 PM
	I think a brand new cap would have been great, one born out of the war in Iraq or Afghanistan would have been a really cool out look. I mean it's a totally different sense of duty that compels our soldiers these days. WWII was a sense of pride and glory... now, well I'm not a soldier, but I imagine it's a lot harder justifying one's call to being a warrior for your country when the war is unpopular. It would have been a great read. To be fair to Bucky though, as much as I was against his return, Bucky has been fairly well written. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 3:19 PM
	@josh -- LMAO yeah I remember all the "fun" of 1996. I'm probably among the few who enjoyed some of the Amalgam titles though. >.> @thwht -- Five years from now.... "Really Final Ultimate Super Crisis of Infinite Identity Doom: This Time It's For Real. Really. No, Honest. I'm Serious, Guys. Come Back! Guys? Guys??!?!?" TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 3:20 PM
	lol great title. I liked the amalgam titles, especially spider boy, I think that was my favorite one! Now that'd be a great idea for a cartoon, a Marvel v. DC animated feature! thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 3:24 PM
	@thwht -- Yeah, it would be interesting to see someone who came up through the ranks in the days after 9/11. I know a lot of guys who signed on in those days out of a sense of duty though, and since it's not quite the same as in WWII, that contrast to Steve Rogers would have given a great read for sure. Maybe they felt it was too much of a political move to make. I know Stan Lee has gone on record as saying he didn't think it would be in good taste to have superheroes in Iraq or Afghanistan. TheDemonHunter - 11/29/2009, 3:37 PM
	haha, there wont be another Crisis. But that won't stop them coming up with a similar storyline, they'l just title it something else. Although, I kind of like DC's alternate reality type stuff, at least they have an excuse for killing/bringing back characters, even if its lame, at least it fits in with their established continuity. RorMachine - 11/29/2009, 3:38 PM
	@ demonhunter and Josh i don't think spidey unmasking, and cap and iron man fighting, bill foster's death, OR even the robo-thor was for shock value AT ALL! they all served the story VERY nicely, and were very important plot points. if you look back at avenger's history, cap and iron man have thrown down quite a few times. only coming to blows once or twice, but they have argued countless times. yes they have been best friends, but that doesn't mean they never fought either. people say they were "acting out of character", but they really weren't, especially if you look at their past with each other. iron man joining the registration act isn't really out of character either, because he layed down his reasons for doing it, and it was a COMPLETELY iron man reason. bill foster's death served a purpose. he didn't die for shock value. bill foster died to show just how far iron man was willing to go. he cloned an "F"ing god! and that clone killed one of his friends. if thats not drama to make a good story, then i don't know what is! spidey's unmasking was maybe the only thing done for shock value. they overlooked spidey's entire history of comics for a shock. and they didn't even take into account how it would effect everything else. thats why they scrambled for a terrible retcon shortly after. and the death of captain america. this is something copletely different. it was an awesome story! they couldn't have done his death any better than they did! cap's death was without a doubt, the best handled character death in all of comics! unfortunately, these are comics, and no one stays dead. in my world cap would have stayed dead. right now, we all know cap is going to return because he's going to be the key player in taking down osbourne's rule. that's blindingly obvious. but if you're going to kill off cap, especially the way they did, they should have kept him dead. then bucky could have been the key player in taking down osbourne, then everyone could have respected him and he could be the new Cap. but no, because cap was killed in such a realistic way, now they have to come up with some BS "magic bullet" nonsense to bring him back. that totally cheapened the whole point of his death. anyway, my rant is over. civil war was the shit is my point :) lol CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 3:57 PM
	NO ONE MAJOR DIED THOUGH! IT WAS BILL [frick]ING FOSTER! dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 4:04 PM
	@ demonhunter also, is it crazy to think iron man was right?? i think he was. i don't necessarily agree with MAKING the heroes work for the government. but the general idea of registering ther powers is totally the right call. look at it like this, in america (and i'm sure everywhere) we have to register just to be able to drive a car. could you imagine what things would be like if just anyone could get behind the wheel of a car? we would have inexperienced kids driving around, therefore causing more accidents and death. the SHRA is the EXACT same principle. only for people with powers. again, i don't agree with the "forcing them to work for the government" part, but iron man was not WRONG at all. so no, i don't think he was acting out of character, because he was trying to save innocent lives, which is the whole point of being a hero. this is why Cap surrendered at the end. he realized that heroes were supposed to be working for "the people". the nation of america is built on voting to see what should be done. well, the people voted for the SHRA. Cap went against that. meaning Cap went against the principle's of america. if ANYTHING, Cap was acting out of character... CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 4:08 PM
	@ morte you're right! the thing that really SHOCKED me was the fact that they built it up about a character dying, and then it turned out to be bill "F"ing foster, lol. CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 4:09 PM
	I think the terrible retcon was unnecessary, I think it would have been a great direction for spidey, but alas the editors weren't brave enough to try and do it. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 4:11 PM
	SECRET WARS GAVE US THE SYMBIOTE, WHAT DID CIVIL WAR "GIVE US" THAT WASNT RETCONNED, THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT WONT BE "REMEMBERED" IN THE SAME WAY AT ALL! CIVIL WAR WAS GOOD AT THE TIME! IT WAS RETCONNED VERY QUICKLY dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 4:18 PM
	AT LEAST KILL SOMEONE WHO MATTERED, WHO CARES ABOUT BILL FOSTER? SERIOUSLY. HOUSE OF M GAVE US MORE! I MEAN "NO MORE MUTANTS". THAT WILL BE REMEMBERED MORE THAN CIVIL WAR IN THE END dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 4:21 PM
	@Demon/Guardian: If that's whay you feel should have been done with Cap's death you have to read Morrell's The Chosen One. It follows a similar path with what you're talking about: Who will take up the mantle when Captain America dies :) It was realistic (for comics at least), gritty and flawlessly executed. MultiPurposePoni - 11/29/2009, 4:25 PM
	CDB--- There are no similarities at all in registering to drive a car and registering a physical power you contain within your body. Driving is a privilage not a right. That is why your license can be revoked or suspended or denied. If you have some kind of awsome power, its not up to the government to tell you how you should use it, if you use it at all. How would they know? If you break the law they should arrest you.If you fight crime, they should thank you, if you do nothing, they should stay the hell out of your life. Registering any knid of pysical deformity at all is a dangerous busines. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 4:31 PM
	@ hawksblueyes so superheroes should be able to cause all of kinds of collateral damage around the city, raise tax payer's dollars, and cause innocent deaths, with no repercussions?? most heroes have secret identities and no one knows who they are. so that should be able to let slide?? its one thing when you're talking about an alien invasion or something where collateral damage can't be helped. but what happens when something like stamford occurs?? everyone is just supposed to be okay with that?? there needs to be some kind of reinforcement. and thats what i was saying, i don't like that they were trying to FORCE them to work for the government. but registering, so that the government knows who to blame for certain things, and training the heroes so that they don't have idiotic, inexperienced teenagers out causing incidents like stamford is a must. CorndogBurglar - 11/29/2009, 4:34 PM
	CDB----- No, not at all, they shouldn't be allowed to do any of that. But when some super powered bad guy is destroying the city, don't call on him for help. This world is full of people who want to hold someone accountable for taking action, when there was no one else arround who could or who had enough gumption. Its getting to be a place where we can just sit and watch each other die for fear of the repercussions, lest we lift a finger to help someone else who can't help themselves. We are so Hell bent on blaming somebody, anybody, that we forget there was a bad guy who was killing people to begin with. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 4:40 PM
	dellamorte1872: I cared about Bill Foster - he was a brilliant character and I was gutted when he died! ;( As for Civil War, of course its being remembered - the only thing thats been retconned is Spider-Man taking off his mask! The rest was just part of an overall bigger storyline that has of course changed since and moved on! CDB: I agree with everything you said man! :) JoshW - 11/29/2009, 4:40 PM
	YOU CARED ABOUT BILL FOSTER HUH? YOUR ONE OF FEW MAN MY HATS OFF TO YOU IM SORRY FOR THE LOSS.....LOL. GOLIATH HASNT MEANT ANYTHING IN A LOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME. AND KILLING "SOME" NEW WARRIORS THEY DIDNT MATTER AT ALL. B/C NEW WARRIORS NEVER SOLD REALLY WELL. SPIDER-MAN HAS BEEN RETCONNED. BANNER IS BACK ON EARTH AND "HIS BANISHMENT" HASNT BEEN AN ISSUE, HIS SON HAS. IRON MAN AND CAP FOUGHT (WHICH HAS HAPPENED). IRON MAN WAS THE HEAD OF SHIELD, FOR A MINUTE. THEY MAKE CAP THE RENEGADE, FOR LIKE A SECOND BEFORE HE "DIES" THOR IS CHILLING WITH IRON MAN HIS THOR "CLONE" WITH RICHARDS IS FORGOTTEN. I DONT SEE ALL THAT MUCH THAT WAS "UNFORGETTABLE" IN THE EVENT. IT WAS BEAUTIFULLY DRAWN THOUGH, I NEVER DISPUTED THAT! AND WITH SEIGE "THEY ALL BECOME FRIENDS AGAIN" LOL dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 4:53 PM
	CDB---- No the Stamford thing shouldn't be let go. But you don't arrest Cap for Speedballs mistake. Stamford was reckless endangerment, no doubt about it. So go get who was responsable, if they are dead, sorry bout your luck. There should be a task force, if a hero breaks the law bring him in, just the same as a villain. Then he is printed registered and has a record, just like a criminal. Hawksblueyes - 11/29/2009, 4:55 PM
	I AGREE @HAWKS dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 4:58 PM
	YOU CANT TELL ME THE HULK HASNT DONE THAT SHIT A BILLION TIMES SINGLE HANDEDLY dellamorte1872 - 11/29/2009, 4:59 PM
	dellamorte1872: LMAO! To be honest T the first time I actually became fully aware of the character (I had heard of him but never seen him in all that many comic books) was during "The Other" and then in Civil War - his appearences in those and especially Civil War were so good I was beginning to enjoy the thought of him becoming a major presence in the MU...until they killed him, lol! You're completely right about the artwork! :) JoshW - 11/29/2009, 5:10 PM
	To answer dellamote, this is what civil war gave us this conversation of who was right captain america or tony stark. It's an amazing battle of ideology that fans will debate for years to come, which is a far greater legacy then the symbiote. Personally I side with spiderman, the principle behind registering is sound but the enforcement was morally wrong. I think a closer analogy than the license to drive is the the licensing of firearms. You need to go through a back ground check and there are various permits needed for carry a concealed weapon, and you may be illegible to own a gun if you're a convicted felon or mentally handicapped. If people of mass destruction were real I'd want similar laws that protected me from them. If your a villain with super powers you should be whacked with the the illegal use of powers along with any deaths or injuries you caused, like wise heroes with concealed powers should also be known by the local authorities just like people carrying concealed weapons around. But then again there are people that don't think fire arms should be so regulated. thwhtGuardian - 11/29/2009, 5:14 PM
	They need to hook it up with Pixar. Or a weekly CG animated show covering the whole Marvel Universe, like Star Wars Clone Wars. Avengersrule - 11/29/2009, 5:20 PM
	Heres my order. 1st-Secret Wars 2nd-Avengers 3rd-Civil War NightAvenger4 - 11/29/2009, 5:27 PM
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