George R.R. Martin Says An AVENGERS Character's Death Influenced His Writing

George R.R. Martin Says An AVENGERS Character's Death Influenced His Writing

And influenced it in a very particular way. Any Game Of Thrones fan knows Martin's propensity for killing off major characters, but where did it come from? Wonder Man kicking the bucket in issue #9 of The Avengers apparently..

George R.R. Martin is a big comic fan, and has referenced early Avengers runs as being among his favorites. Now, in an interview with MTV Geek, the author reveals that despite the plots of his Song Of Ice And Fire saga being quite different to the super-heroics of those comic books, one staple of his writing - the killing off of major and much loved characters - took influence from a particular character's demise in Avengers #9..

"In that issue Wonder Man is a villain who pretends to be a hero, and joins the Avengers as a hero in order to betray them from within--and at the end he can't go through with it and dies as result...and boy you look at that! I loved this issue, in fact it blew my mind...

I loved the fact that they killed him and I loved the fact that he was a villain pretending to be a hero--became a real hero--at the end. That kind of reversal, dealing with themes of betrayal and redemption...and you look at my work and you see the fingerprints of something like this all over it".

Interesting. Perhaps if Wonder Man had survived we would have been spared the trauma of some of Martin's more ruthless character cuts.

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RamonSuarez - 9/27/2012, 5:06 PM
Betrayal and redemption - I forsee this type of an arch for either Cersei or Jamie.
Battabing - 9/27/2012, 5:08 PM
Honestly, who cares?
StoneHex104 - 9/27/2012, 5:14 PM
Haha, grif.
FrankieDedo - 9/27/2012, 5:16 PM
grif, where you've been? we missed you. what about slaining some idiots in there?
RamonSuarez - 9/27/2012, 5:17 PM
Q: Who cares?

A: People who actually read books.

lokibane2012 - 9/27/2012, 5:39 PM
wtf? Grif where?
Bodwulf - 9/27/2012, 5:52 PM
LOL! Grif does it again!
Boogie138 - 9/27/2012, 5:53 PM
i also love early avengers. then again i love all the silver age marvel work. brilliant stuff.

i think battabing's comment invoked thoughts of the mighty grif. maybe stonehex can shed some light...
BlueHawaiiSurfer - 9/27/2012, 6:02 PM
"Honestly, who cares?" almost made me laugh.
BuckyCap - 9/27/2012, 6:23 PM
I love George's work, but it is almost like he is trying to get people to stop reading his books. He builds these characters to the point where you just can't stop reading about them and just when their story is getting awesome he proceeds to brutalize them and kill them.

Hell, the first chapter of his first book... He builds up this ranger character to the point where you are like "holy crap this guy rules," and he brutally dies at the end of the chapter. He LOVES doing that, although typically people last longer than one chapter.

The old man is also one of the dirtiest perverts to ever exist. He describes the sex scenes with such graphic detail that I usually end up laughing. It doesn't help that the characters having sex are around 12-14. I sometimes feel like I am reading a victim testimony from Jerry Sandusky's trial.
Alien - 9/27/2012, 6:44 PM

StarSpangledBruce - 9/27/2012, 6:53 PM
At first I thought he was talking about Coulson.

Then I remembered the Avengers came out in 2012. Oops.
lokibane2012 - 9/27/2012, 10:20 PM
When people usually praise somebody as the greatest of all time. And throw around sentences like "better than Tolkien" or "Nolan" or now, "Whedon". It is easy to be skeptical about the hype.

But having read this guy's work, it's hard to argue that he is definitely one of the best fantasy writers of all time.
mrHJK - 9/27/2012, 10:21 PM
Martin and Whedon should team up and kill every fictional character. They can be the villains of Rise of the Guardians 2
damntree - 9/27/2012, 11:33 PM
Tonight on Boner Masterpiece Theatre a steamy tale of a barely illegal albino dragon bitch and her minuteman horse raping husband...

"Khal Drogo waved her away. He was looking on her swollen breasts and the curve of her belly with approval, and Dany could see the shape of his manhood pressing through his horsehide trousers, below the heavy gold medallions of his belt. She went to him and helped him unlace. Then her HUGE khal took her by the hips and lifted her into the air, as he might a child. The bells in his hair rang softly.

Dany wrapped her arms around his shoulders and pressed her face against his neck as he thrust himself inside her. Three quick strokes and it was done. "The stallion who mounts the world," Drogo whispered hoarsely. His hands still smelled of horse blood. He bit at her throat, hard, in the moment of his pleasure, and when he lifted her off, his seed filled her and trickled down the insides of her thighs."

...whew! Now I have to take a shower.
MrChuff - 9/28/2012, 12:47 AM
simonwilliamsfan - 9/28/2012, 4:41 AM
Ahh finally some love for my favorite character. Wonderman is always written terribly by writers and his power set is never truly used to its potential. Love Game of Thrones and the Hedge Knight stuff Martin is great! Love his work.
niknik - 9/28/2012, 5:34 AM
Funny, I had the oposite reaction when I read that issue. I was probably 9 or 10 years old when I got that back issue (for only a few bucks in the early 70's) and read it for the first time. I thought then and still think now they threw away an opportunity to have a great character to develope in the Marvel Universe. He would have made a great addition to the team, especially 7 issues later when everyone but Cap quit the team. I found that after issue 16 the team was weak and boring with just Cap, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch. Would have been much more interesting for the next 20 issues or so (Before Hand and Jan rejoined) with Simon on the team.
BuckyCap - 9/28/2012, 9:36 AM
@damntree - HAHAHA! YES, that is exactly what I was talking about. There are like 5 scenes with Dany that are like that, each one as unnecessarily graphic as the last.
plasticman - 9/28/2012, 9:40 AM
@lokiebane- Only a Sith Lord would use absolutes. Like "greatest of all time."
gaikinger - 9/28/2012, 2:18 PM
Jamie Lannister....yeah...i dusted for prints

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