Joss Whedon Hints That AVENGERS 2 Will See The Heroes Struggle To Remain A Team

Joss Whedon Hints That AVENGERS 2 Will See The Heroes Struggle To Remain A Team

We've had Whedon's thoughts on certain characters that may or may not appear in the Marvel sequel, but we haven't had much of an idea of the actual plot from him yet. Now while talking to Vulture about his upcoming take on Much Ado About Nothing, the writer/director drops a hint..

There's been so much speculation about which characters might be joining, and who the villain would be that we haven't really thought too much about the overall team dynamic in The Avengers 2. Will we see some more conflict among the heroes? Of course we had that as the team formed and learned to work together in the first film, but now that they are a solid unit, doesn't necessarily mean it'll be plain sailing. While chatting to Vulture about Much Ado About Nothing, Joss Whedon was asked if that would be a factor, and after making a joke about it, he confirms that the site is on to something.

VULTURE: "So for Avengers 2, you have a draft done, you start shooting in early 2014. What will be the main conflict this time, now that they've formed a team? Trying to stay a team? Becoming their own worst enemy? Because these are not folks who can pull off making a movie out of a Shakespeare play in twelve days."

WHEDON: "No, they're not. And actually, that's the middle of the movie, them trying to. It's the Avengers trying to do Measure for Measure, and it doesn't go well. It's very exciting, especially in 3-D. [Laughs] The rest of it, you're right about — it was necessary to build this team, but what happens to them and to the world when they actually exist as a team? How does that work? And I have until we shoot in February to make sure that I'm right."

Obviously we expected SOME conflict, as that was one of the elements that made the first movie so enjoyable -- but could it be taken up a notch for the sequel? Will we see some characters go their separate ways perhaps? Sound off with your thoughts below.

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lapress - 6/6/2013, 7:33 AM
Avengers Disassembled?
saidgb2 - 6/6/2013, 7:44 AM
Avengers 3:Re-Assembled
Jollem - 6/6/2013, 7:44 AM
anthonyEstark - 6/6/2013, 7:55 AM
Well it certainly seems like they're against each other. Half of them don't wanna come back!
Brainiac13 - 6/6/2013, 7:56 AM
Sounds Good!
CrowPirate1 - 6/6/2013, 7:58 AM
They can't do that storyline yet.. not until Wanda is really introduced.....

but.. who knows...

I can't wait until FF, Spidy and X-Men finally are ALL Marvel again, so they can do Civil War! lol.. yeah.. right... I may as well just hope for the animated version

Gmoney84 - 6/6/2013, 8:00 AM
Wait....Joss Whedon made an Avengers movie?!
wcwpoet - 6/6/2013, 8:00 AM
I can see the team still having conflict but you can't do hero for hero battle again. That would be wasting the potential. Just give us Masters Of Evil setup by Thanos in the shadows. That's damn fine movie magic right there.
Jobin - 6/6/2013, 8:01 AM
Can't they just get along....I hate the inner conflict shit...they already got through that.
CharlesLord - 6/6/2013, 8:04 AM
well this makes sense. It sounds more personal exactly like he said he was gonna make it.
CoulsonLives - 6/6/2013, 8:05 AM
HappyHogan - 6/6/2013, 8:07 AM
Is it about time for people to start saying this movie wil suck?
marvel72 - 6/6/2013, 8:08 AM
i wouldn't mind seeing the avengers take on the hulk,that would probably go down as the best scene in a comic book movie ever!
Demongod20 - 6/6/2013, 8:08 AM
Thor has his own agenda and loyalties. Cap has his own agenda and loyalties. Tony's a free spirit and don't want to be controlled or dictated to by any other force. Wanda and Pietro main priority are each other. They will work together like a team but they're going to conflict like a Mother#^#*@# when things go south.
datNAMEtho - 6/6/2013, 8:14 AM
it's probably going to look like another TV movie... Shame.

Avengers was shot with the Arri Alexa cameras and had a great cinematographer and yet, with Whedon's shitty directing, the more than poor cinematography it became a real TV movie just by the technical sides. Marvel should invest in IMAX camera's already but since they won't do that, cheap bastards, they should go with the CineAlta f65 and shoot the whole damn movie in 4K. Wouldn't be a bad thing if they partially used those new digital IMAX camera's as well.
Philvis - 6/6/2013, 8:15 AM
I think I'm more concerned about him doing a Much Ado movie. The 1993 version with Branagh and Thompson was fantastic, so why ruin its memory! I love when directors think they can do Shakespeare...hahaha!

Dragonpiece - 6/6/2013, 8:25 AM
I'll see it, but meh. I've seen this all play out before in Avengers comics.
jcfrommars9 - 6/6/2013, 8:27 AM

"Is it about time for people to start saying this movie wil suck?"

You know it. Same crap, different day. I'm still waiting for this site to actually like comic book movies.
Philvis - 6/6/2013, 8:28 AM
I love all comic book movies (the kid in me), but I'm still in the minority of people that thought Avengers was just ok. It was a good movie to me...not great.
jcfrommars9 - 6/6/2013, 8:29 AM

"I'll see it, but meh. I've seen this all play out before in Avengers comics."

And when it doesn't play out like it does in the comics *cough* Mandarin *cough*, well... my baby cousin without her bottle has whined less.
ParisSun - 6/6/2013, 8:29 AM
What inner turmoil kid? It's called negotiations, adults do it. Get a real job and you might understand it one day. I wouldn't sign either until I got a deal that was satisfactory for me and my family.

Don't worry kid, at the end of the day all of these people will be on set and well paid.
WakeMan - 6/6/2013, 8:30 AM
DC = Heroes fight Villains
Marvel = Heroes fight each other
wcwpoet - 6/6/2013, 8:31 AM
@Philvis I saw a scene between the two leads on Whedon's Much Ado yeah it pales in comparison to Branagh and Thompson. Especially the Benedict character, but I don't knock him for trying.
yinyangpalms - 6/6/2013, 8:32 AM
As a comic book artist I've spent time thinking about superheroes and how the World would react to them.
Heres some of my opinions on what I'd like to see from Avengers 2.

Its long so if you don't want to read a long suggestion do not read on.

I would like to have seen a very natural occurrence at play with Avengers regarding the reaction of non superpowered people towards them.

At 1st superpowered individuals would get applause and they would have followings. Of course any young male with large amounts of drooling female followers would be hated just like we've seen with every young male celeb that attracts female fans.

Guys would like Iron Man because hes not young and hunky and has armor that can blow stuff up. Theyd like Hawkeye because hes a tough guy with arrows.

Guys would hate Thor because in that world women would go crazy for a long haired blonde thunder god much more than women are attracted to Hemsworth.

The media might like Cap at 1st but because hes supposedly so perfect theyd try to find dirt on him. Even some waitress who claims he slapped her ass. Hed also be subjected to gay rumors. And because hes from the past with old values liberals would turn on him.

While chicks would hate Wonder Woman for looking like a bimbo theyd love Widow and guys would too.

But a more relevant reaction would be by some religious nutjobs both christian and muslim if they tied their existence into being demons or such.

Bigoted people and groups would feel threatened by people with more power than normal people.

And People in Power, politicians and some political groups Worldwide would fear losing their power to an emergence of super powered people. Every country with the ability would begin secret studies to destroy the group as they do in real life when any country steps up in rank or creates a new defense weapon.

Politicians and the rich who control them would seek control over such people so they could sleep at night feeling safe that no one is going to take their power.

And there would be many, many people with great influence vilifying them.

The X-Men comics have touched on the Mutant VS human thing but theyve never fully explored it in a realistic way.
As letdown by TDKR as I was I would love to see Nolan do or produce X-Films and explore that area in a way little Gnats like Singer couldnt dream about.

The Avengers would get treated like any other celebs/popular politicians. Some would like them while others would be Hell Bent on destroying their public image.

Some of those issues are so much more juicy and interesting than Avengers VS. The Badguy. But of course both can happen at the same time and would.

Whedon's a brilliant guy and somehow I'm sure he'll explore that territory. We may have seen hints of it after the NY battle.

Love to see him explore that with Avengers and would love to see Nolan explore those issues with X-Men in a way only he could.
mdwilliamson24 - 6/6/2013, 8:32 AM
I hope we see Thor give Hulk a "chum punch" this time around.
wcwpoet - 6/6/2013, 8:33 AM
DC has it's share of hero vs. hero as well now. I mean just look at the upcoming Trinity War and the whole point of the new JLA series.
DanteSparda - 6/6/2013, 8:33 AM

Daaamn! Put some Spoilers alert before posting that pic LOL!
BlackHulk - 6/6/2013, 8:36 AM
Avengers 2 will be like Iron Man 3. It will suck to comic book fans but will be box office gold. I cant wait until a director finally has the guts to make a good comic book movie that most fans will approve of. Blade 2 and Spiderman 2 came very close to that.
HouseSnow - 6/6/2013, 8:37 AM
so basically the same as the last movie. awesome
CaptainObvious - 6/6/2013, 8:43 AM
Yay, more internal conflict.
Philvis - 6/6/2013, 8:44 AM
@wcwpoet - I saw a trailer for it I believe a month or two back and just rolled my eyes. I didn't realize Whedon was attached to it until this article. Branagh's was very whimsical and just felt like Shakespeare. This new one just felt blah from what I saw.
jcfrommars9 - 6/6/2013, 8:48 AM

"I cant wait until a director finally has the guts to make a good comic book movie that most fans will approve of."

Will never happen. Not because a director hasn't had the guts (they have more than several times) but because the fans like here are too interested in fighting amongst themselves. For instance, when this Man of Steel movie starts raking in cash like it's got access to Scrooge McDuck's vault, some of us will be happy because Man of Steel is a great movie and while we can look forward to a sequel, we will also hope it will give WB/DC confidence to make movies about it's other characters like Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc. Hell, even a Justice League movie or World's Finest. However others will like it more, if not for the sole reason of being able to throw it in someone else's face. Some overbearing, pro-Marvel and/or anti-DC fan or anyone they think has offended them. That will divide people far more than the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 could on it's worst day.
BIGBMH - 6/6/2013, 8:53 AM
I hope they stay together throughout the film even if it's a struggle. The Avengers was a good ensemble movie in the sense that it spread the screen time and development pretty well, but they weren't a team until the end. It was a lot of individual clashes. (not complaining. it made sense for the formation story) Aside from the final battle we didn't get much of a chance to see them as a unit and get a feel for what they're all like together.
HumanTorch83 - 6/6/2013, 8:59 AM
I'm gonna write (stalk) Whedon on twitter... It's hard for us to judge what the Avengers 2 gonna be cuz we don't know how the stories of the other movies play out.. THEY DO.

but I don't want another movie of them not getting along. They did that already... I'm ready to see them enjoy each others company... Stark and Rogers mutual respect and friendship has YET to make it on screen. Thor and Hulk fighting EVERY time they see each other, but just because they like to. Hawk eye and Hulk's relationship like EMH.

I'm afraid they are just gonna bicker again, fight each other then have to assemble again for some threat.... That's a downer
AlexanderLykins - 6/6/2013, 8:59 AM
Everyone sit back and just let Phase 2 happen. Enjoy it! I know some things have gone south and are looking bleak. We need to look at the positives though. We are getting another Avengers movie and it's going to be just as good as the first.
AlexanderLykins - 6/6/2013, 9:15 AM
I feel you on this. We need to understand that they all had a personal agenda to assemble in the first movie. Then Loki came along and stirred the pot with every single member. Loki caused problems with all of the Avengers. I guess I'm more interested in finding out what the conflict will be that will cause all of the to throw aside their personal agendas to assemble again.

I don't think they will or should disassemble after this movie. They need to stay together and introduce new heroes in Phase 3. I don't want another Iron Man or a Captain America sequel. Why would they leave each other when they are the best thing that's ever happened to each other. I think a Thor sequel is a must because he's got a few more enemies I want to see brought to life. He's also got more of a story to flesh out than Iron Man or Captain America. I think we need to see him become King of Asgard, defeat Surtur, Odin needs to step out of the picture for Thanos to take center stage, I want to see Asgard destroyed by Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet stolen.

We have no idea what the story of the movie is. I think we need to wait a little bit longer and have some more small details leak out. It will be different from the first movie. The will be a team for a majority of the movie.

CoulsonLives - 6/6/2013, 9:18 AM
@DestroyallTrolls I'm mostly the positive one around here... Also, nice name. It fits very well.
druzod2501 - 6/6/2013, 9:44 AM
So they struggle to become a team, then they'll struggle to stay that way, terrific. Movie Avengers are never going to be the world players that the comic or cartoon counterparts are
Joementum - 6/6/2013, 9:47 AM
Disassembled? How's this:
Avengers 2 ends with Cap, Clint, Wanda, Pietro without SHIELD standing around saying now what?

Ant-Man, Wasp, BP, Strange, and Captain(or MS.)Marvel are set up in Phase 3 for Avengers 3
Odin - 6/6/2013, 9:53 AM
Maybe something like Ultimates 2.
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