Joss Whedon Talks Quicksilver And Scarlet Witch Also Reveals No Loki In AVENGERS 2

Joss Whedon Talks Quicksilver And Scarlet Witch Also Reveals No Loki In AVENGERS 2

Joss Whedon recently sat in on the Empire Magazine Podcast and briefly discussed Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. while elaborating a bit more on The Avengers 2 and the two confirmed new additions. Also, Joss reveals Loki is not in the film.

Joss Whedon is winding down his promotional efforts on Much Ado About Nothing but he was recently in London for the Gala Premiere of the film. Being in the UK, Joss stopped by the offices of Empire Magazine to appear on their always entertaining Empire Podcast. Here's a transcription of what he had to say concerning Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch and The Avengers 2. On S.H.I.E.L.D. Joss didn't reveal a whole lot, only offering up that, "We're building the next episodes, we start shooting in July, God help us." He did reveal that he's probably not going to direct any episodes besides the pilot. "No, not for the foreseeable. I do have a day job...," he replied when asked.

As for that day job, everyone know he's currently working on The Avengers 2 which he updated, "I've turned in a first draft, the story is very set, everybody [at Marvel's] on board with the exact movie I'm trying to make which is what worked the first time." He continued on from there, reflecting on the process of making the first Avengers, "I said 'I want to make this movie, a Marvel version of this move' and they said 'Yay' and never looked back. Well they [actually] said 'Maybe the tone' or 'Maybe this structure' but once we had it, we had it." He then added, " And I feel like we're there with [Avengers 2] which is really important."

When asked if there was still fine tuning to be done, he confirmed, "There's still 'very fine tuning' to do on the script. There are many thing that can be 'plussed' (sic) and be better and also, there's some science in it, which means I have scenes where someone says 'Science the sciency science'. So I'm like 'I'll fix that later.'"

When asked if he'll deflect any questions about Quicksilver he said of course he'll deflect any questions about the speedster and only added that 'he's in our movie and he's going to be dope.' He did actually go on to say that, "Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, very close to my heart because they were Avengers the whole time I was reading the book as a kid." For reference, the two characters first joined the team in 1965 in the issue "The Old Order Changeth" by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. They would appear off and on in various issues as members of the team up until the 80's. Continuing to describe his remembrance of the two character, Joss stated, "Oh, and sometimes they were 'EVIL' but sometimes they were good. They're very textured, they're very different from everybody else in the mix. They're not their to make things easier on The Avengers but what we do with the group once we've got them is 'squeeze.' The fun I'm having doing that is probably unseemly."

Probably the biggest revelation came from a clever, roundabout way of asking another question. When Joss was asked if there will be another humorous Old-English word like 'quim' thrown in the film. Said Joss, "Everyone is going to be looking for the Loki-Hulk smash moment and you'll be looking for quim. No, first of all, imitating what I did before is the surest way to do it not as well. Second of all, Loki's not there to say those terrible things. Although I do think we should bring the word back, not as an insult, it's just a nice word." So there you have it, Loki is not in The Avengers 2.

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Running Time: Script-development Stage
Release Date: May 1, 2015 (USA)
MPAA Rating: This Film Has Not Yet Been Rated
Starring: Scarlet Johansson, Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Robert Downey Jr., Jeremy Renner, Chris Hemsworth
Directed by: Joss Whedon
Written by: Joss Whedon (screenplay)

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LEVITIKUZ - 6/14/2013, 7:43 PM
Just don't do that incest bullshit.

Knowing Fox they will use it.
DrDoom - 6/14/2013, 7:45 PM
An article that's actually finished when it gets posted?

From a power user? I'm shocked.

LOL but on topic, Joss is yet again the master of entertaining interviews. 'Science the sciency science' got a chuckle out of me.
LordoftheThrones26 - 6/14/2013, 7:47 PM
Masters of EVIL!!!!!(Say it with Mermaid man's voice) will most deffinately be the villains in it with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch as members at first! I mean Hawkeye and Black Widow need someone to fight!!
LEVITIKUZ - 6/14/2013, 7:48 PM
I don't get what Doom complains about. I do that all the time with my news articles.
LucasMend - 6/14/2013, 7:49 PM
Good to know Loki won't be back, it would be too repetitive. After thor 2, he should take a break.
LordoftheThrones26 - 6/14/2013, 7:50 PM
NO INCEST and do it right!
Hulk vs. Abomination
Crossbones vs Captain America
Iron Man vs The Mandarin
Thor vs Kurse/Malekith
Black Widow vs Quicksilver
Hawkeye vs Scarlet Witch
ATrueHero1987 - 6/14/2013, 7:53 PM
@Levi Trust, they won't go that route with QS & SW..
SpiderParker - 6/14/2013, 7:54 PM
"Also, Joss revels Loki is not in the film."

TheBoss117 - 6/14/2013, 7:54 PM
I'm glad no Loki in A2. They should just keep him in the Thor solo film series
JoeMomma29 - 6/14/2013, 7:54 PM
Please no more Loki let that dude go already.... give me wasp!!!!!
AlexanderLykins - 6/14/2013, 7:56 PM
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver won't be villains. Not in the sense that the Avengers need to defeat them. They might have a battle or two like Thor vs. Captain America and Iron Man. That's about it though.
AlexanderLykins - 6/14/2013, 7:57 PM
Also Saoirse Ronan and Aaron Taylor Johnson need to start getting the contracts figured out.
Luko - 6/14/2013, 7:57 PM
No Loki Ddaaaaaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!
ATrueHero1987 - 6/14/2013, 7:59 PM
I wonder who the villain will be. At first it seem like Thanos would be the villain but recent reports seem that he will be in the background again. Korvac but I think he might be the villain for GOTG...
SageMode - 6/14/2013, 8:02 PM
I'm cool with that. Let another villain get his shine time.
NeoBaggins - 6/14/2013, 8:02 PM
They should have put Loki away earlier so that he has a grand return. Bringing him back in THOR2 definitely strains his appeal. But if he's directed good, it should be great. Branagh was able to direct Hiddeston into the direction that made him a fan favorite. Whedon makes him less imposing and not as layered as in THOR, and I don't know what they have planned for him in Dark World. But direction is key. And they definitely need to shelve him for many films to come.
AlexanderLykins - 6/14/2013, 8:05 PM
I too have questions about the villain for this movie. It's not like they set up much of a story to start Phase 2. Remember the Cosmic Cube was a big part of Phase 1. So what'll be the connector of the Phase 2 films? Thor: The Dark World will tell us a lot about what story arc the Avengers sequel is headed.
GamerKT - 6/14/2013, 8:09 PM
Quim means kunt.
REDSTORM - 6/14/2013, 8:15 PM
I bet Loki "dies" in Thor 2.
TonyChu - 6/14/2013, 8:15 PM
I bet my bottom dollar that Loki bites the dust in Thor 2. The question is if he dies will he be reanimated in a woman, himself, or go the kid Loki route.
ralfinader - 6/14/2013, 8:17 PM
Just don't do that incest bullshit.

Knowing Fox they will use it.

Actually, knowing Fox, they will not acknowledge a Scarlet Witch, the name Pietro, that he is Mags son, etc.
AlexanderLykins - 6/14/2013, 8:17 PM
I bet he dies in Thor: The Dark World as well. He'll make the sacrifice play to save Jane or Thor from Malekith. He will betray Thor at some point in the movie though. Or maybe Thor is forced to kill Loki at some point.
ParisSun - 6/14/2013, 8:19 PM
LotT26: Zemo shoudl face Captain America not Crossbones. Crossbones looks to be no more than a henchman in Winter Soldier. Zemo should lead that group and he's the one who should face Captain America. I like the rest of your picks though.
TheYoungMan - 6/14/2013, 8:20 PM
@SageMode I'm sure you would love to give one of the Marvel characters "shine time" ;)
Inhuman - 6/14/2013, 8:21 PM
Phase 3

(2015) Ant-Man.....................................................MODOK
(2016) Doctor Strange...........................................Dormammu
(2016) Captain America 3......................................Baron Zemo
(2017) Black Panther..............................................Klaw
(2017) Thor 3........................................................Surtur, Enchantress, and Executioner
(2018) The Avengers 3...........................................Thanos

Phase 4

(2018) Guardians Of The Galaxy 2..........................Immortus and Adam Warlock
(2019) Nova............................................................Ronan The Accuser
(2019) Inhumans.....................................................Skrulls
(2020) Namor: The Sub Mariner...............................Attuma and Warlord Krang
(2020) Guardians Of The Galaxy 3...........................Kang The Conqueror
DrDoom - 6/14/2013, 8:25 PM
Loki? Die?

A god? Die?

92Marvel - 6/14/2013, 8:26 PM
Loki won't die cause thanos will capture him for not getting the cube or earth or maybe thanos will kill Loki and that will give thor motive to kill thanos
AlexanderLykins - 6/14/2013, 8:30 PM
I kind of like that idea. Maybe a post-credit scene where Loki has escaped from Thor's custody and has found Thanos and the Other. Loki begins to explain his story to the Other and Thanos approaches him. Thanos speaks for the first time and then kills Loki. He then looks over at Death and smiles.
AlexanderLykins - 6/14/2013, 8:31 PM
I thought Loki was a frost giant.
LordoftheThrones26 - 6/14/2013, 8:34 PM
Thanks man! But Im not sure if Zemo will be in Cap2 so I went with Crossbones but if he is it be AWESOME!
LordoftheThrones26 - 6/14/2013, 8:34 PM
Thanks man! But Im not sure if Zemo will be in Cap2 so I went with Crossbones but if he is it WILL be AWESOME!
Bread - 6/14/2013, 8:37 PM

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Ocelot - 6/14/2013, 8:38 PM
Masters of Evil cant work in a 2 and a half hour movie, there just isn't enough time to do so, you cant develop all the characters in the same movie without making some unmemorable background fodder like in the X-Men movie, it's a concept that works better in a video game. Also why dafuq are people bringing up the incestous relationship between Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch when there's no damn chance of that ever remotely happening yet alone it even being considered due to Disney. Absolutely pointless to bring up in the first place. Again Joss isn't telling us anything that we dont already know.
Ramiel - 6/14/2013, 8:40 PM

I have a feeling that you are right. I will shed a tear if/when that happens.
DrDoom - 6/14/2013, 8:41 PM

Odin changed his physiology to that of an Asgardian. He still retains some genetic code from the Frost Giants, but he is effectively a god.
SpideyQuad - 6/14/2013, 8:54 PM
Yeah, about the incest thing. That was one thing I wasn't too crazy about with the Ultimates. Same with Hawkeyes uniform, to a much lesser extent. I'm with you guys, I don't want to see that portrayal in The Avengers2.

It would be kind of cool to see Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch either be on the Masters of Evil or even sneak onto the team like Wonder Man originally did, betrayed the Avengers only to both have a change of heart.

Judging from what Josh has hinted at I'm betting the 2nd movie ends with the team defeated… As a cliffhanger
WallyWestNAM - 6/14/2013, 9:00 PM
Either Thor 2 post credits, or Avengers 3 first act, Thanos will raze Asgard, do something evil to Odin i.e. take his powers or cripple him or something, take the guantlet, and give Loki a public execution as an example to any who cross him. Even the gods.
sikwon - 6/14/2013, 9:05 PM
Scarlet Witch vs Hawkeye? Really? She WISHED mutants out of existance, shes uhmmm, i dont know, kind of friggen powerful!
SpideyQuad - 6/14/2013, 9:08 PM
I would love to see a Hulk Abomination (further mutated with the ears) rematch.

All the match ups you put down Lord of Thorns look good, with the caveat that to use Crossbones the character would have to to be reworked from the comics. I agreed Zemo would be a better fit, and after all a better leader if it in fact it is the Masters of Evil.

Wally, that would be absolutely awesome! Someone out of the triangle of Jane Foster, Loki, or Odin is probably not surviving the next movie. I could live with all 3 biting the bullet.
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