Joss Whedon's Problem With THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

Joss Whedon's Problem With THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

As part of EW's massive interview with the director of The Avengers, Whedon is quizzed about which sequels he feels "get it right". One movie he lists is arguably the most popular of the Star Wars flicks, although he does have a big problem with the ending..or lack of one!

Whenever a sequel to a big, effects heavy type movie is in the works The Empire Strikes Back is always brought up as an example of a movie that improved in pretty much every way over its predecessor, and exeeded expectations. Joss Whedon will soon get to work on The Avengers: Age Of Ultron, and he doesn't break the trend when asked which sequels he thinks got it right..but he does have something to add! It seems Whedon wasn't a big fan of Empire's cliffhanger ending, which saw Han Solo taken by Bobba Fett and Chewie and Lando give chase. “Empire committed the cardinal sin of not actually ending, which at the time I was appalled by and I still think it was a terrible idea.” Admits the director. EW then ask Whedon if he feels the movie has a bad ending. "Well, it’s not an ending, it’s a Come Back Next Week, or in three years. And that upsets me," he replies. "I go to movies expecting to have a whole experience. If I want a movie that doesn’t end I’ll go to a French movie. That’s a betrayal of trust to me. A movie has to be complete within itself, it can’t just build off the first one or play variations.” What do you think? Was Empire's ending...and ending? Click on the link below for Whedon's thoughts on the Twilight movies.

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ezio619 - 8/22/2013, 9:21 AM
he kinda has a point, movies should be a whole experience but it the cliffhangers are SO good
3DWitchHunt - 8/22/2013, 9:23 AM
I thought the ending was great
Reminiscent of the serials which inspired Star Wars
But... it is Whedon so anyone who disagrees is wrong
Pheezmatic - 8/22/2013, 9:24 AM
such traditional storytelling way of thinking.
invalensname5 - 8/22/2013, 9:26 AM
It did end. The bad guys won. GREAT ending!

Yes, we knew there was another coming, and yes, the good guys won in the end. But the movie is "complete within itself" as Whedon puts it. Just not in the same manner as always. It subverted expectations. It's not called The Empire Strikes Back for nothing

Pheezmatic - 8/22/2013, 9:31 AM
Im curious to hear how he would have ended it.
JayJayCAW - 8/22/2013, 9:32 AM
He makes one decent film and now he thinks his opinion actually matters, [frick] off Joss, not everyone has your....."vision" and thank god for that.
JDUKE25 - 8/22/2013, 9:36 AM
What a dumba**. It ended and set up what was to come in the final installment of that trilogy. It got people thinking and anticipating what was to come. Empire Strikes Back is 10 times better than Avengers.

Omarvls - 8/22/2013, 9:37 AM
Marvel's movies never end
they are part of a universe that keeps expanding
what's up with Whedon all of a sudden
Is he ok?
Mrsinister - 8/22/2013, 9:37 AM
I disagree.
TheDpool - 8/22/2013, 9:37 AM
The only thing that I still cant understand about Empire is WHY THE HELL IS LANDO WEARING HAN'S CLOTHES IN THE END????? Jesus it frustrates me that its a pointless question haha.
Greengo - 8/22/2013, 9:37 AM
He must hate LOTR & HOBBIT.
gmoney0505 - 8/22/2013, 9:38 AM
Kinda wished his villain were a threat to the heroes like in Empire Strike Back. I mean that's what I go to see movies with villains in it being a threat to the heroes and not a punching bag sitting there waiting to get hit.
Narosian - 8/22/2013, 9:38 AM
By his definition, the first two lord of the rings movies dont have an ending either.
RorMachine - 8/22/2013, 9:38 AM
Actually he's made 2 GREAT movies..,but I digress..

I see his point but also disagree. The ending is a cliffhanger sure, but it's emotionally satisfying at the same time and as many have already pointed out, it was always part of a trilogy. You could say The Fellowship Of The Ring didn't have an ending either, or that it was just "two Hobbits walking over a hill".
SpectacularJoSh - 8/22/2013, 9:38 AM
LMFAO ...a french movie.....bwahahahha seriously that made me laugh out loud.
Greengo - 8/22/2013, 9:39 AM
Serenity is just ok.
faver - 8/22/2013, 9:40 AM
The movie was written as the second part of a trilogy, and actually had an ending within itself. As invalensname5 said, the ending was that the bad guys won, and that set up the final installment of the series. I think a good example of a sequel without ending is 'Matrix Reloaded', which ends in a random place and puts a cliffhanger scene just to get people to come back. That is not the case with ESB.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 8/22/2013, 9:40 AM
Epic ending. Is he for real? I guess he thought the endings to Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers were bad too?
Dmon - 8/22/2013, 9:40 AM
It did have an ending, the Bad guys just won is all. This is my favorite out of the franchise.
kadetra - 8/22/2013, 9:41 AM
Whedon is becoming a bit pretentious.
marvel72 - 8/22/2013, 9:41 AM
i wonder if he has a problem with the two towers,the empire strikes back is a classic which all star wars films are measured against.

i would easily say the best sci-fi movie ever!
BlindJustice - 8/22/2013, 9:41 AM
Dammit, Joss... You just fell a couple of notches from greatness with those comments.

I was just a kid when this movie came out and even I knew it was the 2nd movie in a trilogy! *facepalm* AND I WAS OKAY WITH THAT!

Cardinal sin? You want to talk about cardinal sins, Joss? How about tossing Thanos up there at the end of Avengers? Yes you ended the battle of NYC, but then told us to 'hold the phone' and that the war had just begun. Way to be a hypocrite, Joss!
ezio619 - 8/22/2013, 9:41 AM
its his taste in movie, he didnt sa he hated empire strikes back, he just was not satisfied b the ending, i disagree with him too but its his persoanl preference to have a whole experience during a movie
Greengo - 8/22/2013, 9:41 AM
JDUKE25 - 8/22/2013, 9:42 AM
The ending was satisfying and exhilarating.

Amazing512 - 8/22/2013, 9:42 AM
He's not really wrong...
Greengo - 8/22/2013, 9:43 AM
Joss's head is getting big.

It's growing into a bulbous orb.

Oh wait, too late.

: )
SpectacularJoSh - 8/22/2013, 9:43 AM
I loved the ending in Empire, but he does have a isn't as much of a cliffhanger as those atrocious Matrix movies...and I wouldn't even include LOTR since all 3 movies were actually filmed all at once,then it was just a matter of releasing them one every year...besides,LOTR always was one big movie based on three books, but like I said...the ywanted it to be one huge-ass 12-hour experience.
Dmon - 8/22/2013, 9:43 AM
I guess Whedon's Marvel films will just be full of rainbows and sunshine. The villains will never feel like a real threat I guess.
JDUKE25 - 8/22/2013, 9:43 AM
Might as well go ahead and put this on here.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 8/22/2013, 9:44 AM
If he truly believed in that, why would he put in Thanos at the end of the credits?
kadetra - 8/22/2013, 9:44 AM
Empire strikes back is my second favourite sequel after TDK.
BlindJustice - 8/22/2013, 9:44 AM
@marvel72 - Agreed! 'Empire Strikes Back' is THE SCI-FI sequel that all others are measured up against.

Well said.
Indy - 8/22/2013, 9:44 AM
Shut up Whedon I like firefly but how dare you talk smack about Empire. What think your hot shit now because of Avengers get ego line pal Avengers made lot money but not that great. Empire Is amazing Amazing!!! Ending is Perfect!!! I am not going waste anymore time on dumb comments like this.
batman1216 - 8/22/2013, 9:45 AM
Stupid opinions like this are why he will never be Nolan and The Age of Ultron is going to suck.
TheWolverine08 - 8/22/2013, 9:45 AM
Why is everybody attacking Joss like rabid dogs for having an opinion?
Berserker187 - 8/22/2013, 9:45 AM
Wait did i just read this correctly? Marvel does this all the time with there movies it never ends. TO funny to read.LOL...-_-
ndwwrestler2 - 8/22/2013, 9:46 AM
I have to disagree. As a kid I hated this ending and disliked the movie. Now this is my favorite Star Wars movie.

It's an ending to a chapter. The bad guys won that round. If they had saved Han in the end, I don't think the movie as a whole would be that good.

The ending leaves you wanting more, which is what most movies should do.
BlindJustice - 8/22/2013, 9:46 AM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - I know right? *shakes head in disbelief*
Ceejay - 8/22/2013, 9:47 AM
Josh is just reliving his childhood disappointments.

When Empire came out it was the first Star Wars film to have the episode number in the opening crawl stating it was episode 5 so you knew it was not going to be a conclusion of all events.

Star Wars was made to Lucas's version of the original Flash Gordon cliffhanger movie serials of the 1940's and that's why it is a series of film length episodes that don't have complete endings, Josh. If Universal had sold George the rights to make Falsh Gordon in 1975, we would never have had Star Wars anyway. They didn't so GL had to make his own and the rest is history.
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