Why CAPTAIN MARVEL Should Wait For Phase 4

Why CAPTAIN MARVEL Should Wait For Phase 4

It seems everybody and their brother wants Carol Danvers to appear on film ASAP, but is this really the right choice for Marvel Studios? Hit the jump for my thoughts.

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By GliderMan - 8/30/2014

 
With recent stirrings that Ms./Captain Marvel will cameo in Avengers: Age of Ultron, the people of CBM.com have been on high alert. To quote Pasto, many people feel "There is no need for one single scene [in AOU]. At this point she should have her own film."
But should she? After all, when introducing a character in a movie, from Agent Phil Coulson to Thanos himself, you have to make sure of several things: That it will help the narrative, that people will like the character, and that the character will help make the movie money. They're even more accountable for this, because they have to make sure that Captain Marvel will fit into the greater storyline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And right now, ladies and gentlemen, I just don't see it.
 


 
It's important to note that once superpowered, Carol Danvers is one the most powerful superheroes on Earth. She has Thor-level power. She is resistant to bullets, she can actually fly at an incredibly fast speed, she's immune to most diseases, and she can blast orbs of energy from her hands.  Not only this, but she has an incredible back story, a "rise-to-power" type due to her being treated unfairly for her gender. There is definitely solid story here that is sure to sell--I'm not denying that at all. But there are two reasons I have for Marvel saving this treasured character for post-Avengers 3 movies.

Let's backtrack to 2012's The Avengers. The end of said film showed Thanos turning around and grinning at the notion of courting death. While some fans simply refuse to get on the horse, all signs point to him being the main villain of Avengers 3. All actors are "locked up" through A3. A lot of things are building up to this movie. We already have three Infinity Stones established, possibly four, and that leaves 2-3 left to be established before our showdown. I think it's abundantly clear that Thanos is A3's villain, so for this article's sake that's what we'll go with. Let's look at all the heroes we know will face him in that movie:
  • Captain America
  • Thor
  • Iron Man
  • Hulk
  • Ant-Man
  • The Wasp
  • Scarlet Witch
  • Quicksilver
  • Vision
  • Dr. Strange
It's looking like the Guardians of the Galaxy will also be teaming up to take Thanos down, or at least a member or two. Other likely heroes are Falcon, Bucky, War Machine, Hawkeye, or Black Widow. Not to mention Joss Whedon can also pick from the heroes that will have been established on the Netflix series, and an Inhumans movie is likely as well. Folks, I don't care how powerful Thanos is--yes, I've read The Infinity Gauntlet--that's simply enough characters for Whedon to dream up a way to take him down, and I'm already concerned that it may be too many characters! Yes, Carol Danvers is powerful, but she isn't needed for Whedon to tell a good story here. He'll already have the burden of introducing new characters (Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, Wasp) that weren't previously in the Avengers frachise, as well as mentioning what previously established Avengers have been up to since Age of Ultron. In addition, he'll have to make sure each character gets enough plot development and that they all work well with each other. Adding another character could very well be the straw that breaks the camel's back, especially one as powerful as Captain Marvel.


 
But I have an even bigger reason than that, and it's honestly simpler. If Marvel Studios want to keep their universe going for the long run, they're going to have to keep their brand fresh. That includes introducing new characters from time to time. Phase 3 will already have Ant-Man and Dr. Strange movies, and there's been a lot of talk about an Inhumans movie. With the plot element of magic definitely being a ticket-seller, I'm sure Dr. Strange will do just fine. Ant-Man is bound to do well too, since Marvel is currently on a roller-coaster high. Marvel's brand name is HOT right now, and they earn a ton of money with every movie they make. But they also have sequels to take care of, and we'll see sequels featuring Cap, Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy as well. That's why Captain Marvel is best saved for Phase 4.

With all these sequels and new characters to be introduced, I predict Marvel will keep on soaring in terms of success. Avengers 3 will be a showdown, and a lot people will wonder what's next--and I think a Captain Marvel film would be a great way to kick that off. While Iron Man--and to a lesser extent, Captain America, is the face of Marvel Studios, Captain Marvel gives a new chance to shake that up. If you don't think they'll play on the correlation between her name and the studios' name, you're crazy. Not to mention it would most likely be the studios' first female superhero film, and that the name "Captain" is empowering and shows leadership. After three Avengers movies, she will bring something new to the table. Whedon's Avenging time will most likely be up, and it could give them a "new start," so to speak, with them playing off their brand name with the hero.
 
So what do YOU think, citizens of CBM? Do you agree that Marvel should wait, or am I completely [frick]ing nuts? Sound off in the comment section below, and remember, keep it civil!

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RedNTheHood - 8/30/2014, 3:19 PM
I didn't even read the article, but you're right,
RedNTheHood - 8/30/2014, 3:22 PM
Now that I read it, you're extra right.
MexicanChinman - 8/30/2014, 3:30 PM
I highly doubt Marvel Studios has Miss Marvel (do people think they are going to introduce her as Captain Marvel in her first outing?) movie coming in phase 3. Captain Mar-vell has to be introduced first anyways.
DrDoom - 8/30/2014, 3:36 PM
I don't agree, for I believe that Ms. Marvel needs to be added sooner rather than later, but you actually did write this article well, with valid, explained points presented in a logical, coherent manner.

Even if I don't agree, I can totally respect that. Glad to see other Carol Danvers fans out there.

Thumbs up from me.

staypuffed - 8/30/2014, 3:58 PM
Nice work.

I hope that they do something about her costume. Her Ms. Marvel duds are cool, but not exactly practical or appropriate onscreen, and her Captain Marvel outfit is ugly. So combine the two! Ditch the blue. Go for black, red and yellow.
marvel72 - 8/30/2014, 4:26 PM
erm,we don't even know if shes part of phase 3 yet let alone leaving her for phase 4.
Pasto - 8/30/2014, 4:42 PM
Holy hell I got quoted in this?

Immediate thumb.
Barchiel - 8/30/2014, 5:57 PM
Thanos will not be the villain for Avengers 3.
Barchiel - 8/30/2014, 5:58 PM
What part of "background super villain" do you not understand? This isn't about trilogies. With Marvel, there IS NO trilogies. That's why they don't use numbers in sequels anymore.
Barchiel - 8/30/2014, 5:59 PM
Thanos probably won't be the main villain in a movie until after the Inhumans are introduced.
TexasTwoFace - 8/30/2014, 6:12 PM
@Barchiel Thank you for saying that. I hear that word trilogy far far too often around here. Marvel/Disney are obviously in this for the long haul. They aren't making a couple trilogies and calling it quits. By all indications they plan on making movies for as long as they can, no reboots no overhauls, not for a while at least. We are likely to see Iron Man 4 and Captain America 4 and pretty much guaranteed Avengers 4. And on related note people should probably not count on a lot of big heroes dying and movies need supporting characters so I don't know how many of those are dying either.
TheOverlord - 8/30/2014, 6:15 PM
I'd like to see Carol Danvers (as a normal human) introduced in Phase 3, and then see her get POWERED UP in Phase 4. Marvel has the opportunity to do her origin right and get us somewhat invested in her as a human being before she ever gets close to being Ms. Marvel / Captain Marvel -- just like they did in the comics. I'd LOVE see see them do that.

Hell, they could even introduce Carol in Cap 3, Mar-Vell in GOTG 2, and then have Carol get injured in Avengers 3. Then we could get a proper Ms. Marvel origin film (without needing to dwell too much on the origin) after that.
Bekss - 8/30/2014, 6:16 PM
I completely agree with you but I still think one of the 2018 movies is Ms Marvel

2016- Cap3/Dr Strange
2017- Thor3/Guardians/Black Panther
2018- Ms Marvel/Hulk/Inhumans
2019-A3
DrKinsolving - 8/30/2014, 6:17 PM
Nice article, I'm not sure what they should do, at this point I trust Marvel.... I'm hoping we get some announcements for upcoming movies soon
Shadowmaster35 - 8/30/2014, 6:24 PM
Honestly I don't see anything wrong with just introducing the character right now in either the Avengers movie or the S.H.I.E.L.D. show just to show that she's around and being thought of. Then later on after Guardians 2 they can give her the attention that she deserves since there is a chance that Mar-Vell could show up in that movie. So I doubt they'll give her the title of 'Captain' and stick with 'Ms.' for her outing. But I'm hoping that they plan on giving her love during the same time they plan on introducing the Inhumans since they both have that Kree-like background. But, good article, you made some good points.
TexasTwoFace - 8/30/2014, 6:24 PM
@TheOverlord I like that idea of Carol being introduced in Cap 3 and Mar-Vell in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 although I'm not opposed to a Captain Mar-Vell solo movie where Carol is introduced followed by a Ms. Marvel movie where Mar-Vell has left earth leaving Carol as it's protector.
TexasTwoFace - 8/30/2014, 6:29 PM
I think they will call her Ms. Marvel for no other reason than the fact that they already have a captain.
TexasTwoFace - 8/30/2014, 6:39 PM
The big problem with introducing the character now and waiting several years before she gets her powers and a solo movie and becomes an Avenger is that the actress portraying the character will continue to age, so if they did that they might want to go on the younger side for the actress.
CorndogBurglar - 8/30/2014, 9:52 PM
I don't totally disagree with this. However, i do think it would be wise for Marvel to get a powerhouse female character in their films asap. Especially with Wonder Woman appearing in DC's films.

And lets face it, aside from Ms Marvel, who else is there? Marvel is lacking in the female characters department. Most of their popular, powerful females are X-Men, and unfortunately they can't use them.

TheGodButcher - 8/30/2014, 9:59 PM
Whedon needs to pull a LOTR and make A3 a 3 part movie (or at least 2). That would give the proper amount of time buildup a lot of story missing that would need to be established properly with a clear focus on Thanos. A simple rush a Thanos push to destroy the universe, followed by a gathering/communication of all the hero's on earth, then gathering the cosmic hero's, a first battle followed by a second battle and the conclusion of the Infinity Gauntlet all in one movie is completely too much and I would call a Bogus Effort!!!

Two back to back MCU movies A3.1 and an A3.2 would be needed. But I don't think we will likely see that happening so I am betting the IG will not be fleshed out enough by A3. Feige would have to weigh his options, 1) Keep old actors/rush an IG MCU story line, (Feige is looking for the MCU's future not RDJ's) 2) Lose old actors/make the best story possible for a MCU IG storyline or 3) Keep looking to make the best IG MCU story with or without the actors and try like hell to entice them with money and more importantly, sell them on "leaving an epic career and legacy with a well written IG storyline". Granted option 3 could not wait 8 or 10 years and some actors/actresses may want less intensive roles by then, but if the IG storyline is written extremely well with a proper build up it could bring them all on board.
CorndogBurglar - 8/30/2014, 10:01 PM
@ barchiel

Thank you! I don't know why people think Thanos will be the Avengers 3 villain. Let loom at it logically.

Only 3 Infinity Stones have been introduced. Possibly 4, ut we dont know if the scepter is one or not. That means that over the course of the next phase, they would have to introduce the remaining stones, and Thanos would have to collect them all. That isn't gonna happen in all these solo movies. Especially considering that Thanos doesn't even have a single stone yet.

I'm guessing that after phase 4, phase 5 will have solo films, then there will be a stand alone Infinity Gauntlet film instead of Avengers 5. That would give Marvel eniugh time to show Thanos collecting all the stones, and also introduce eniugh characters to team up and fight him.

I would like Avengers 3 to be Korvac. That could pull the cosmic side of things into the Avengers' world.

MightyZeus - 8/30/2014, 10:03 PM
Awesome article. I agree with you completely.

I would love to see a Captain Marvel film in Phase 4 even though i would have wanted Captain Marvel in Phase 3.
BatManHeisenberg - 8/30/2014, 10:14 PM
I agree! If you don't mind, I'll add a little bit. Kevin Feige said there was 7 movies in Phase 3. So far, we have 3 absolutely confirmed with release dates, Ant-Man, GOTG 2 and Cap 3. It's obvious Thor 3 Dr. Strange and Avengers 3 are part of this. I'd say Thor 3 is May or November 2017, Avengers is May 2018, and Dr. Strange is July 2016. That leaves ONE movie. It eithers has the November 2017 slot or the May one. I'm guessing it'd be a new property, because Feige has stated he wants to do one new property a year, and one established franchise a year. What new property deserves being made than anything? Black Panther. Yes, Captain Marvel is wanted to, but Black Panther is most wanted for sure. I can't think of many other properties that I haven't mentioned that warrant a film as much as Black Panther or Captain Marvel. I mean, I guess Black Widow, Hawkeye and/or a SHIELD movie or a Hulk movie WOULD be wanted (especially the Hulk for me!). But since Feige has stated he wants to introduce a new franchise a year, a movie with those characters wouldn't really work, and Hulk and BW solo can be done Phase 4. But fan outcry and demand has demanded more than any other property than Black Panther (including myself!!). So, the whole point of this mini essay is to say that I believe Black Panther has more of a priorty than any other character for the last slot in Phase 3.
TheGodButcher - 8/30/2014, 10:26 PM
@Barchiel and CornDogBurglar,
Thank you for bringing more sense to this article. Odin still has a gem in his vault. I would hate a 5 second look at how Thanos sent a thief in to steal it in the intro of A3 and all of the other stones. We will see many other films build up to the final battle. Brolin maybe to old by then
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ScottMontgomery - 8/30/2014, 10:33 PM
Great article! I do feel that the character who is the most important for marvel is Black Panther.
GliderMan - 8/30/2014, 10:42 PM
@CorndogBurglar

Well I'd respond to that with this.

No, Marvel doesn't work in trilogies, but that doesn't mean they can't adopt that technique to it's storytelling. Look at TDK trilogy, one of the best trilogies out there. Beginning, middle, end technique. The terrorists that plague the first film (hell, as well as R'as al Ghul himself), return in the third film. In between, two deaths--Rachel and Harvey--take place that haunt the events of the third film. But while TDKR was the last of it's series, tbh it left the door wide open for a sequel.

Loki and his cosmic elements (Scepter, Tesseract, the Other, Chitauri, "he who put the scepter in your hand") are in the first movie. Whedon chose Ultron for the next one because he "had to keep them grounded." Now, Thanos turned around and grinned at the end of the Avengers. By the time the Avengers 3 comes out, Thanos will have been teased for six years. That's too long to keep teasing, amigo, or the general audience will stop caring.

Not to mention that by the time 2018 rolls around, Whedon will have been working on the Avengers series for 7 years, and he'll most likely want to take a breath of fresh air and move onto other things. But he also said that "Thanos is a part of what I've got going on."

Guardians of the Galaxy, which had the power stone and Thanos, is also stated by James Gunn to be "strongly connected" to Avengers 3.

Then there's that 3 Infinity stones, possibly 4, have been established in Phases one and two. That only leaves 2 or 3. And who's to say Thanos doesn't have one of them? Hell, man, we don't know. Part of Avengers 3 could be him getting the other Infinity Stones. I think that could work very well.

@BatManHeisenberg

To be honest, I think Black Panther should wait too. I think the November 2017 release will be an Inhumans movie, as there have been several hints to that. (Clark Gregg saying GH formula "sounds almost Inhuman," Vin Diesel saying "Marvel must think I'm Inhuman," as well as Feige mentioning it often and the Maximoff twins getting their powers from Hydra experiments). I think it'd be cool for Marvel to introduce him and Captain Marvel as two solo movies for Phase 4. Not only that, but his powers are similar to Captain America and I'm not sure how well that would serve in a face-off against Thanos. However, I will say that Black Panther is far more likely than CM. Rumors have been stirring for a long while now, it's been in development for a long while, and it seems Africa will be a place they're visiting in Age of Ultron. Time will tell my friend.

BatManHeisenberg - 8/30/2014, 10:52 PM
@GliderMan

Honestly, Inhumans WOULD work to, maybe it's just my need for BP more, but I just feel like Inhumans doesn't have as much need or want as BP, IMHO!
GliderMan - 8/30/2014, 10:53 PM
@TheGodButcher
"Odin still has a gem in his vault. I would hate a 5 second look at how Thanos sent a thief in to steal it in the intro of A3 and all of the other stones."

Right, because that's his only option. With Loki posing as Odin, Thanos could [frick]ing walk right into Asgard and take the Tesseract and the Infinity Gauntlet and wreck all kinds of shit, if that's what Whedon wanted.

@Barchiel

Thanos will not be the villain for Avengers 3.

Thanos will be the villain for Avengers 3. Read my comment to CorndogBurglar above. It is abundantly clear.

What part of "background super villain" do you not understand?

He is a background super villain. In fact, by the time Avengers 3 rolls around, he will have been a background super villain for 6 years. That's a long time.

This isn't about trilogies. With Marvel, there IS NO trilogies. That's why they don't use numbers in sequels anymore.

I don't believe I mentioned trilogies once in this article. Again, refer to my comment to CorndogBurglar.

Thanos probably won't be the main villain in a movie until after the Inhumans are introduced.

Read my comment to BatManHeisenberg. The Novemeber 2017 is perfect for an Inhumans release.
TheGodButcher - 8/30/2014, 11:24 PM
@GliderMan,

Thanks for a civil response. But for your A3 to turn up as the IG it would need every prayer to fall into place and more. Thor 3 may take a completely different direction and so can many other of the movies you suppose. One flicker, and your hypothesis is done. Not to be rude but you are literally trying to hypothesize several movies and many fans have failed at this before. My bet is in the long run like I said and others. I want a well fleshed out and well built up IG not some hashed up BS. Sorry bro. I can't follow on this one. But I must say, thank you for your article it was worth the read and I always like to hear others beliefs and opinions. Keep it up, I enjoy the collective thoughts.
CookieKid247 - 8/30/2014, 11:47 PM
Great article and I have to concur. We don't need Ms. Marvel right now and I think she should wait until they can get an actress set in stone with a solid script. Otherwise they'd be making it just to make it.
kinghulk - 8/31/2014, 2:36 AM
personally i would introduce moth carol and Mar vell in a captain/miss marvel movie then have the kree be the villians in avengers 3. they could send a few kree sentries and try to blow a hole in the sun like in EMH. also that way we can split the avengers up half of them fight the sentries on earth and the other half fight the kree ships in space. the film could then end with Mar vell either dieing or returning home to explain to the supreme intelligence why he did what he did only for the supreme intelligence to inform Mar vell of a greater threat (thanos).

i think it's a good way to introduce the avengers to the the galaxy and give them a way to get involved with what would/could be going on with thanos.
BatzFTWfan - 8/31/2014, 3:53 AM
If there was a Trilogy thing, everything at number 3 would have been finished. Plus Kevin confirmed MCU is still alive until 2028, that's pretty long!!!
I can tell this trilogy idea came off from Nolan, because his story made sense, beginning, middle, end. This won't happen for MCU, it's a UNIVERSE, it's not a 3 part story. well said @Barchiel

@GliderMan , Avengers 3 won't have Thanos, but possibly it'll have Kang the Conqueror! His appearance makes sense as he could be the one who pull of Masters of Evil thing. Thanos is a final boss-type guy who needs to be saved for Last movie, plus we don't know nothing about avengers 2 right now and how can you say Avengers 3 has Thanos ? Any Proof ?

BatzFTWfan - 8/31/2014, 4:01 AM
Btw, i can agree with you on Ms. Marvel thing. MCU has a risk, they don't have rights to most of the Cosmic characters that are under the f**king Fox, if it wasn't for Craptastic four. They need to have some movies of Guardians, a movie of Inhumans (only one is enough), and movie of Nova or Ms. Marvel. A lot of cosmic side of universe needs to be expanded before sending Thanos in Avengers 3. How many movies does we have in Phase 3 ? Only one (GOTG 2) at this moment if Thor 3 doesn't introduce cosmic side. So that leaves Inhumans or Black Panther in November 2017. Either Ms. Marvel or Inhumans could be saved for Phase 4 alongside, and when we have 5 or 6 cosmic movies, then we can have Thanos.
BatzFTWfan - 8/31/2014, 4:07 AM
@CorndogBurglar : I think Korvac can be a great villain for Guardians 3, as we have either Kang or Magus in Guardians 2. Sadly we don't have a lot of rights to cosmic villains and they're under Fox.
CorndogBurglar - 8/31/2014, 6:26 AM
@ Gliderman

To be honest, I think we're both bringing some pretty logical points up. I know that its been said that Guardians has a lot to do with A3, but that could mean a lot of different things. Its also been said that Thanos is being saved for the "Grand Finale". That too can me a lot of things. The grand finale of thos infinity story? Or the grand finale of the MCU?

The one thought that keeps coming to mind is this: Its taken this long to reach the point that we have, and really, there isn't a whole lot thats been achieved to do an Infinity Gauntlet movie yet. You're right, Thanos COULD have two of the other gems already, but i think that would be a waste and wouldn't set up their abilities properly. We've seen all 3 or 4 stones in movies and we've seen AT LEAST a taste of what they are capable of. Glossing over the other two and saying Thanos already has them would feel cheapened. To me anyway.

But aside from that, there still aren't really enough characters introduced to take on Thanos with the gauntlet. Unless we are expecting to see a severely watered down version of it. I know you never said anything abiut a trilogy, and I didn't accuse you of that, however there are a lot of people that seem to think thanos will be the big bad in A3. Unless he's the villain without the gauntlet in that film, I don't see it. I actually wouldn't mind him showing up to fight the Avengers before he gets the whole gauntlet though. It would at least show what he's capable of without a godlike weapon at his disposal. Then he would just seem all that more threatening when he DOES get the gauntlet.

But at the same time, I would like to see some other Avengers villains too. So who knows.
GliderMan - 8/31/2014, 10:05 AM
@CorndogBurglar

When Whedon said "Grand Finale," I believe he was referring to his grand finale, as in Avengers 3 will be his last movie. Even if he does decide to do another one after A3, he could have known that was the general idea. Yeah, I think we'll have a "Whedon trilogy" of sorts. That doesn't mean it's going to be the end of the MCU! I don't get why people think that. It'd be like a sub-trilogy like Feige mentioned. You can have a trilogy of sorts while also laying the groundwork for future films.

I don't think Thanos will have both of the 2 Infinity Stones left, but he could have one of them. If he did that could be ample time to show it's power, especially if he winds up in GOTG 2 or Thor 3. But yeah I like the idea of him not having either and part of A3 is him going to get them. If you remember in the comics one Infinity Stone calls to another, and they could play off of that. No matter what, the Infinity Gauntlet WILL be watered down somewhat though. In the comics, one snap of the finger and half the universe was dead. Personally, in my opinion, I don't see that translating well on film.

All I'm saying is that six years is more than enough time to build up Thanos and the Infinity Stones. I think the GA will get tired of scratching their heads after a while.

Captain Marvel should wait until Phase 4.

Ultron for a future GOTG movie.
kinghulk - 8/31/2014, 10:41 AM
i dont know if they can have thanos wield the gauntlet and then give us a satisfactory reason as to how he lost. i feel it would end up being very anti climactic.
Wallymelon - 8/31/2014, 11:12 AM
@barchiel
Finally someone gets it. It's not about trilogies that's why there are Phases. If Thanos is the big bad in Avengers 3 that would be a waste. No point in continuing the universe because there isn't much for marvel to do after that. What? The Mandarin may return but he's not like Thanos. Same with Dormamu. They don't have Galactus. Ronan and Red Skull are possibly dead or teleported to another Universe. Masters of Evil is the most logical option. Or pitting them Against each other like Civil War. Both solid concepts but not for an Avengers 4 or 5. Maybe World War Hulk... I hope they really string Thanos out for Awhile. I want them to meet soon and I want to see Thanos more. I want an Infinity Gauntlet film and to leave the Avengers franchise as it's own thing. Infinity Gauntlet could be the major event film bridging all the properties together.

I just want good movies.
kinghulk - 8/31/2014, 11:21 AM
i think the kree are a good choice for the next avengers film if they already introduce miss/captain marvel
Wallymelon - 8/31/2014, 11:24 AM
@corndogburglar

Yeah man. It's been 10 films and we are just now really getting info. People forget they just started to figure out there plan. When Joss came on to Avengers in 2010 they finally got shit together. Remember Iron Man 2 and how messy it is. Thor and Cap 1 finally seemed liked they were apart of something's and closer in line with what they were achieving with Iron Man. They had a rough Idea of let's make a Avengers film but Joss made them matter and connect in a way they didn't fully think through. I have to believe it because Iron Man and Hulk were really different than the rest of Phase 1. They are connected because now you can look back and go ok this is where we started let's make everything fit. That's crazy to me. It works and it's ok because they have a plan now. But they had a half assed plan before hand.

Even now the way we get the information isn't so connective. It's all there. But we all know how much more these films could tie together in a less subtle way and be enjoyable. There is not enough information in these films right now to just have the big bad be done at the end of the next Phase. All the info leading up to him would come in the last Phase of his sage and that's poor film making and universe building. I seriously peg the Grand Finale in a Phase 4 and then by that point all the studios will want to do a Secret Wars film. It would work out too. The be yonder can pick them out of there separate universes and have them fight.

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