Christopher Nolan Discusses "The Bat" And Not Addressing The Joker In TDKR

Christopher Nolan Discusses "The Bat" And Not Addressing The Joker In TDKR

The Dark Knight Rises director Christopher Nolan talks about coming up with the name and design of "The Bat" and also comments on making no reference at all to the fate of The Joker. "We're not addressing The Joker at all," he confirms

During filming of The Dark Knight Rises last year, a mysterious new vehicle was spotted on set, and while we've since had a decent look at it in action in the trailers and TV spots, we've never heard any concrete details as such. Until now that is. "It is called The Bat," the director tells Empire Magazine in the latest issue. "I spent a long time trying to figure out clever names for 'bat-something-that-would-fly', then you go: 'Oh, it's a bat.' It's very much based on a doubt-bladed helicopter idea, once again a realistic approach to military hardware. We had Corbould and his guys build it full scale and come up with this great driving rig for it so we could photograph it in real streets, and there's a big computer graphics component to it as well. It's fun to take Batman to the next level in terms of his transportation and weaponry - in terms of his ability to fight people."

Up until the release of Marvel's The Avengers earlier this month, The Dark Knight was the most financially successful comic book movie all time and still holds the honour of being the most critically acclaimed according to review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes. However, the release of the film in 2008 was marred by tragedy following the shocking death of Heath Ledger several months before it came out. While some fans were hoping another actor would be cast as The Joker or that there would be at least some sort of reference to his fate, Nolan is understandably adamant that there will be no mention of him in the threequel. "We're not addressing The Joker at all. That is something I felt very strongly about in terms of my relationship with Heath and the experience I went through with him on The Dark Knight. I didn't want to in any way try and account for a real-life tragedy. That seemed inappropriate to me. We just have a new set of characters and a continuation of Bruce Wayne's story. Not involving The Joker." Sound off with your thoughts on these comments in the usual place.


Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman
Michael Caine as Alfred
Gary Oldman as Commissioner Jim Gordon
Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox
Tom Hardy as Bane
Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman
Joseph Gordon-Levitt as John Blake
Marion Cotillard as Miranda Tate
Josh Pence as Ra's Al Ghul

RELEASE DATE: July 20th, 2012

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Tajin88 - 5/28/2012, 4:46 AM
Nolan also said that more than a third of the movie has been shot in Imax and at the same time he said its an hour. So the movie is close to 3 hours or maybe above 3 hours.
JDUKE25 - 5/28/2012, 4:46 AM
That's alright. Still would've been cool to hear a reference of him.
HarveyDent88 - 5/28/2012, 4:56 AM
Fair enough I suppose.
MrChuff - 5/28/2012, 4:59 AM
JDUKE25 - 5/28/2012, 4:59 AM
rondz123 - 5/28/2012, 5:04 AM
@Theamazinghipsterman......and thats why he is the director and your a fan. Lol
MrChuff - 5/28/2012, 5:05 AM
Ah piss... ok, so I dont know how you embed shit on here. ASSHOLES TO IT...
MrChuff - 5/28/2012, 5:07 AM
My point is still valid though... Lawnmowers do float. Scale that up and you have a big black lawnmower with Batman sat in it.

I dont care. I just wanna see the film.

For your movies.
Mrcool210 - 5/28/2012, 5:07 AM
you couldnt just have a cop or something ask another one what happened to joker, and then they say he's in arkahm? why is that so hard?
Jollem - 5/28/2012, 5:08 AM
whatever the vehicle is officially referred to in the movie matters to me as much as whatever people say on rottentomatoes, metacritic, boxofficemojo, etc......
pro346 - 5/28/2012, 5:13 AM
Cant wait ! real imax!!!!
monstalova - 5/28/2012, 5:14 AM
I realy wantd them to at least show arkham then have the Joker laughing if they were not gona show him in tdkr. What a shame!
GeekyCheekyChic - 5/28/2012, 5:17 AM
But Harvey us going to be referenced? The world of shit Batman is in us because of Joker.... oh well - guess we will just wait to see how it plays out
Dev - 5/28/2012, 5:28 AM
Oh great here comes the constant moaning and groaning about Nolan. It doesn't matter what he calls the 'bat wing', he has been someone to focus more on story and not on good looking designs and naming conventions for his gadgets or characters.

You didn't get the webshooters in the Riami's Spiderman series did u? And to me that IS THE GREATEST comic book franchise around so far anyways.
Ha1frican - 5/28/2012, 5:36 AM
@Dev7 in recent years Raimi's Spiderman has become on almost the same level as Shumackers Batman for me...
campblood - 5/28/2012, 5:36 AM
and he still isn't thanking his fans for his success
rondz123 - 5/28/2012, 5:38 AM
comicmoviesdcmarvel - 5/28/2012, 5:38 AM
@SetGecko Scarecrow was mentioned in TDK at the start

derpa derp
Ha1frican - 5/28/2012, 5:39 AM
I wish (sine it is 8 years later) that they would at least throw in a line about The Joker having escaped arkham a few times. Guess I understand why they didn't do that but it's not they like needed a cameo or anything
marknjoanna - 5/28/2012, 5:40 AM
i think its smart not bring up anything about tdk if you can. because im real sure tdkr wont be near as good as tdk was,so why bring up a better movie than the one people just payed to see.
SuperAdaptoid - 5/28/2012, 5:40 AM
I totally respect Nolans decision to not mention the Joker. Im sure the story will not suffer for it.
Ha1frican - 5/28/2012, 5:40 AM
@SetGecko uhhh scarecrow was IN the Dark Night for like 5 minutes...
marknjoanna - 5/28/2012, 5:44 AM
blueberryicedcoffee - 5/28/2012, 5:37 AM
Report Comment Nolan haters are probably the most butthurt people in the world.

no not even close,the avengers haters are far more buthurt and you know why.because marvel has been putting a savage beat down on dc for thr last 5 years and after the speed bunp called tdkr marvel will contiue its beat down of dc for years and years.
MrReese - 5/28/2012, 5:52 AM
That sucks donkey dick!!! I understand y but come on! A newspaper,a reporter on tv, cops talking 2 each other r all was he could have been referenced.Oh well, movie's still gonna OWN. XD
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 5/28/2012, 6:03 AM
I wish people would leave TDK and it's pedestal alone when thinking about this movie. Yes, it was an amazing movie but if anything, it was too perfect, too clinically brilliant. Batman Begins was by far a more enjoyable movie, if not as "good" as TDK imo.

As for Heath, much the same as the movie. With every respect to Heath it was a truly an Oscar winning performance but nothing revolutionary, nothing several other actors couldnt have done and certainly nothing that can't be topped. It was simply the Joker we all imagined to fit into the tone of the series. It was a job done flawlessly, but an easy job compared to the other characters in the movie.

Judge TDKR on its own merits WHEN you see it. Until then, stop comparing it to another movie!
EastcoastAvenger - 5/28/2012, 6:09 AM
Nothing about Joker?! Gotham just picked up the pieces and moved on after Joker laid wast to an entire hospital and ripped away every citizens sense of security not to mention how he seemingly effortlessly screwed over Gotham's criminal underworld! After all that the Joker doesn't even get a nod. Maybe it will seem mute after I see the movie but for the stories sake the Jokers complete omission from the film seems weird. but RIP Heath. I would think that the fine professional that he was knew that the show must go on.
EastcoastAvenger - 5/28/2012, 6:10 AM
The Joker turns into Gotham's Voldemort...
InfiniteMonkey - 5/28/2012, 6:14 AM
Well done Mr. Nolan. Leaving his performance as such and thereby suspending it for all to see in that one movie is a great tribute to a good show.

Bane has some big shoes to fill.
Super12 - 5/28/2012, 6:27 AM
Good call Nolan. All things considered its best to not bring up the joker at all unless referencing what already happened in TDK. Pays respect to the family and safely moves on without getting into a mess. We'd all like to know where the joker is as fans but for this movie it's unnecessary.

Also, kinda hoping the bat-wing would make an appearance instead of this flying monstrosity, but meh....I'm sure it'll be fine
NeoBaggins - 5/28/2012, 6:32 AM
"basketball man and the human Goomba"

dnno1 - 5/28/2012, 6:37 AM
@dgabbor, nobody talked about Bin Laden much? The guy put out a video almost two or 3 times a year that was reported on the news. Politicians would reference his name when they campaigned for office. The FBI had is face posted on their website for a good 10 years straight before he died. That guy was more popular than you or I.
IgnurRant - 5/28/2012, 6:39 AM
Thats a shame there is no Joker mention. I dont want a cash grab tactic of old footage or audio but a mention would be great. I loved Scarecrows cameo in TDK.

I really wonder what Nolan would of done with The Joker in TDKR. In TDKReturns The Joker stayed calmly in his Arkham cell until Batman returned. In No Man's Land he did his own thing. In KnightFall he teamed up with the Screcrow when bane released all of arkham. I feel Nolan had somethin apecial planned originally.
GreyChaos13Zero - 5/28/2012, 7:13 AM
they should've done something with the Joker in the third film like what they did for Scarecrow in the Dark Knight. just sayin', can't wait?)

CPBuff22 - 5/28/2012, 7:13 AM
So in TDK Nolan decides to gloss over all the events of Batman Begins going so far as to remove the cities main form of public transportation that was a HUGE plot point. Now in TDKR he has chosen to gloss over TDK including the main protagonist, one of the most recognized comic book villains of all time.

What is the point of a trilogy if the three movies don't intersect each other?

Examples of how some of the best Trilogy's interlink each movie together:

Star Wars- Luke meets Darth in New Hope, Finds out Darth is his Father in Empire, Excepts; confronts; and saves his Father in Jedi.

Back to the Future- Marty goes back in time, screws things up but fixes it and returns to the present. In BTTF2 he goes into the future to save his future kids, ends up going back in time to fix a mistake & almost runs into himself from first movie, fixes problem but gets stranded. BTTF3 Marty gets past Doc Brown to send him back in time to save current Doc Brown from being killed, by doing so alters his present timeline but arrives back in 1985 safe & sound.

Hell even recent trilogies with super weak third parts like X-Men & Spider-man carried over history from each films successor.

The more I hear about TDKR the more annoyed I get and the less I want to see the movie.
R888 - 5/28/2012, 7:19 AM
I get where nolan coming from but that OK I'm more interest in bane then joker
Fogs - 5/28/2012, 7:21 AM
"once again a realistic approach to military hardware"

Yeah right, you keep on telling yourself that. I don't know why this obsession with realism. [frick] that, it's a CBM!
Ha1frican - 5/28/2012, 7:26 AM
I really donkt understand those who say BB is better than TDK I watched them together and it isn't even close. Batman's sit really takes you out of itbecause it looks so rediculous the way he moves. Still agreat movie but I personally don't get why it's supposedly superior.
Rodimus9 - 5/28/2012, 7:27 AM
IMO, he's probably tired of Ledger's death getting more attention than his directing performance did on TDK. I thought TDK's only saving factor WAS Ledgers performance and the publicity surrounding his death.

Still a classy move by Nolan not to have Joker references. I hope this movie is great and gets a DCU going. Man of Steel will be the Iron Man 1 of the DCU as long as it doesn't fail.
Scooby - 5/28/2012, 7:28 AM
@Goomba - Brando started talking about more money once Donner got kicked off, and Hackman didn't want to come back either and that's why some of his scenes were shot by a double. Superman: The Movie and Superman II was being shot at the same time. Superman II was almost done. All of Brando's scenes were shot. The final version of Superman II was mostly filmed by Donner - but he asked his name to be taken off cause he didn't like the direction the new director took the movie (Donner and the producers had a falling out).

And of course Nolan should explore something tragic that happened in the his life to please the fanboys. What the [frick] was he thinking?

The fact that you can watch TDK without having watched BB is what makes it even more awesome. The dots are there for you to connect if you want to.
jimoakley666 - 5/28/2012, 7:30 AM
@Goomba - "So if this idea worked...shouldn't lawnmowers float?".

Well, by that logic, do you expect a lawnmower to fly if you turn it upside down? The difference is rotor blades and cutting blades. The Bat is a similar concept to a hovercraft but with uncreased updraft.
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