Co-Writer Jonathan Nolan Talks TDKR; Comments On JUSTICE LEAGUE & THE AVENGERS

Co-Writer Jonathan Nolan Talks TDKR; Comments On JUSTICE LEAGUE & THE AVENGERS

Sharing excitement for Batman's inclusion in the potential Justice League movie and praise for The Avengers, Christopher Nolan's brother/co-writer also talks about The Dark Knight Rises' ending.

Speaking recently with Empire, The Dark Knight Rises co-writer and brother of director Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan, discussed many aspects of the "epic trilogy conclusion," including the Robin gag. The Oscar-nominated screenwriter also shared excitement for the potential of Justice League, and he offered praise for Marvel's The Avengers and director Joss Whedon.

On plans for the Justice League movie, and seeing Batman in that very different context:
“I’m incredibly excited. I was a big Batman fan when I was a kid. In fact he was the only comic-book character I really liked. I went through a brief spell where I was reading Captain Britain, because I was an English kid living in the States, and Wolverine for 30 seconds, Spider-Man too, but really Batman was the one. And I love that there are different versions of the character. I love that in the context of The Justice League, he’s kind of the black sheep of that family.”

On Bane, the Joker, and the trend of recent villains conspiring to get themselves captured:
“Well, the Joker did that gag in The Dark Knight and that’s one of my favorite scenes in The Dark Knight! But I’m sure we were inspired by what went before — probably Bond movies or something else. There’s something great about it: in the face of certain defeat they have actually engineered the whole thing. There are similarities between Bane and The Joker in that sense. With both you think the shoe is on the other foot, and then you realize that the entire encounter has been engineered for them to get something they want. But The Joker has a particularly municipal aim. With this one, Bane’s out to do something really big. He is completely in charge of that situation. And unafraid, almost absurdly fearless. You’re never in any doubt with Bane. He is completely what he is. He’s absolutely... Out-of the box thinking. He does not take into consideration his fear.”

On the Robin gag at The Dark Knight Rises' end and if the character could work in that established universe:
“It is a little hard to imagine Robin working in that universe, so the idea had to be limited to that gag at the end. But Joe’s character is very important to the story. In any movie you need a character looking at proceedings the way you see them, and Joe’s character is that character for this film. One of my favorite scenes is when John tells Bruce how he knew he was Batman. It’s like that scene in The Prestige where the little kid sees through Christian’s trick. Little kids, they don’t have any illusions, they just see the truth of the situation. I feel there’s a kind of spiritual connection between the two movies there.”

On whether he has seen this summer's Marvel's The Avengers box office behemoth:
“I did. To me Joss Whedon is a god, I’m just a huge fan of his work, I love his work on TV. And I thought The Avengers was just an incredible achievement.”

For the full interview, where Jonathan Nolan discusses Anne Hathaway's performance as Selina Kyle and rogue’s gallery characters that couldn't work in The Dark Knight universe, head over to Empire. Anyhow, special thanks to Steven for the jump on the interview. What do you think?

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Jollem - 12/14/2012, 8:20 PM
nice interview
Reasonnnn - 12/14/2012, 8:36 PM
^ It's an eternal struggle.
FightAs0ne - 12/14/2012, 8:36 PM
@ManOfSuperguy Not with some of the users on this site, but we can keep dreaming.
SAT - 12/14/2012, 8:37 PM
@ManOfSuperguy sadly no...
Jollem - 12/14/2012, 8:38 PM
i like these parts from the full interview

The last time we spoke, you promised that Anne Hathaway would blow us away as Selina Kyle. You were right.

"Yeah, she is fantastic. I mean, everyone in this movie’s fantastic, especially Christian — what he’s done with the character of Bruce Wayne over the course of the three films... But I’m glad you agree on Anne."

There are of course many other Batman characters that it would have been hard to imagine in these movies...

"Yeah, like Clayface or, indeed, The Penguin. Part of what’s compelling about Chris’s take is the naturalism of it and I think that’s one of the things I loved about the Frank Miller comic books was that they were sort of urban, gritty vigilante stories first and formost. So everything had to stick within that universe. It’s hard to imagine [in these movies] any of the rogue’s gallery characters who have sort of a more supernatural or science-fiction bent to them. And I think that’s one of the aspects of Batman which are fascinating: in 70 years, the character has been sort of fully laundered. Because of writers and artists having every month coming up with a different story to tell with this character, there are often different genre aspects to it. You have your science-fictions, you’ve had fantasy elements along the way, horror, camp comedy... I mean there are so many different versions."

jonathan nolan speaks truth-words
JDUKE25 - 12/14/2012, 8:40 PM
Definitely looking forward to a new version of Batman for Justice League. Hopefully plans will follow through and we get to see it.
GuardianAngel - 12/14/2012, 8:45 PM
I like that he seems passionate about this stuff. Would be cool if he was involved with Justice League.
Azazel1 - 12/14/2012, 8:46 PM
Johnathan Nolan is an amazing writer, have been a fan since Memento.
Minato - 12/14/2012, 8:49 PM
"You see even a Nolan thinks Whedon is a god. Avengers win"

"But who is higher in the most prestigious top 10 list? Its because its a serious movie not that kid stuff. Nolan win"

"Thor is fighting Kurse and Ironman is doing the Extremis story next. Avengers win"

"But Superman got the best movie ever coming out next year with Snyder directing and Nolan is producing it. I know you seen that trailer, Nolan win."

The war rages on with the fuel of the Trek vs Wars rivalry...Nerds in the 2000 and beyond
Kevinwillpeabodyproperties - 12/14/2012, 8:50 PM
Marvel is great. Dc is great. Nolan is great. Whedon is great. Thanos is great. Darkseid is better. Jk he's great

SmellofDuty - 12/14/2012, 8:50 PM
@JDUKE25 Loved what Nolan did, but I agree with you. I think a new 52 version would be crazy good on screen.
SmellofDuty - 12/14/2012, 8:53 PM
I think Jonathon is the better writer but Chris the better director. Considering I don't think Jonathon has ever directed anything.
ATrueHero1987 - 12/14/2012, 8:54 PM
See he loves The Avengers but is that going to stop the fighting here? Sadly no...
DocHorrible - 12/14/2012, 8:59 PM
“Well, the Joker did that gag in The Dark Knight and that’s one of my favorite scenes in The Dark Knight! But I’m sure we were inspired by what went before — probably Bond movies or something else."

I love that he said that when there's a feeling going around that the Dark Knight influenced the capture scene in Skyfall.
superotherside - 12/14/2012, 9:00 PM
Great guy. I would like to see more of their involvement behind the scenes. As long as they don't get ultra realistic like TDK series I'm fine with them being involved. Especially Jonathan. Chris is great, but I'd like to see more of Jonathan's ideas unfold into the new DC universe.
Maximus101 - 12/14/2012, 9:19 PM
@lehnsien when was bane never in charge? Lol nobody knew about talia until the last 15 minutes of the movie and the only thing she told Bane to do was keep batman alive to see the fire, that's it! Someone was really was not in charge is Loki.
holeymonkey - 12/14/2012, 9:20 PM
Hear, hear Nomis. I agree 100%.
Maximus101 - 12/14/2012, 9:20 PM
But ya whedon and both Nolan's are genius to pull off what they did.
NostalgicYouth - 12/14/2012, 9:20 PM
See at the end of the day we are all comicbook fans, and we are all comicbookmovie fans; now everybody kiss and make up lol
ATrueHero1987 - 12/14/2012, 9:30 PM
@Nomis well said man. Have you did an editorial on what would be the perfect X-Men movie? If not, I think you should do one.
SageMode - 12/14/2012, 9:48 PM
Wait, someone from a DC-related franchise given props to someone of the Marvel-related franchise? Wow, that's like almost unheard of............
Funsize - 12/14/2012, 10:17 PM
Awesome writer
ToTheManInTheColdSweat - 12/14/2012, 10:25 PM
Now do a collabo, so this whedonolanite can explode in a million nerdgasms, I'm thinking The Flash, Wonder Woman or Hawkman.
BIGBMH - 12/14/2012, 10:35 PM
“It is a little hard to imagine Robin working in that universe, so the idea had to be limited to that gag at the end."

Come on, man. You're better than that. If you really put your mind to it, you could have come up with something better than "Robin is this guy's first name."
IDKwhatToChoose - 12/14/2012, 10:35 PM
@Maximus... Just saying.. It was clear who was in charge at the end. I just wish they would have really built her character more.
mgeoff88 - 12/14/2012, 10:41 PM
Wow, I'm really surprised he commented on The Avengers in that manner. I wasn't expecting that at all.

I wish more people over DC/WB were more like Jonathan Nolan. Someone that is respectful of other people's work, despite working in the same field(comic related media) at a different company.

I wish more people were like that around here too.

@ManOfSuperguy That would be great, but it won't happen...

@Nomis Very well said! I don't prefer comic book media over another because of the company that distributes it. I prefer comic book media over another because of the quality.

Yes, Superman is my top favorite superhero, but I love Marvel too! I don't look at DC and Marvel as being rivals. The only thing that matters to me is that both companies release products that do the brand justice. And when both companies release great products, as a comic book fan, it doesn't get any better than that.
NostalgicYouth - 12/14/2012, 11:03 PM
I love TDKR but even I have to admit I was kinda pissed that John Blake name was Robin and not just Dick Grayson; but I did kinda understand because the younger viewers don't really know who Dick Grayson is, they just know his sidekick name, but maybe if he is in the Justice League they might treat his name as a sidekick name
Jollem - 12/14/2012, 11:07 PM
@Nomis - "But I will never understand how someone who enjoys the medium of comics, limits themselves to one comicbook company over another or a comic book company's movie over another."

think about it like this; there are car people out there that prefer chevy to ford. all people do the personal preference thing, and some people will like varied different things of the same product. it's not unreasonable, but yes, those people would be missing out on more stuff

i've grown up with comics and everything under the sun related to comics for over a quarter century, and i've found out quick that these things happen

i just wish people didn't have to take things so personally sometimes :)
Maximus101 - 12/14/2012, 11:26 PM
@idkwhattovhoose not really. Yes talia was upset Bruce killed her father but bane also hated batman for betraying the league of shadows, both were out to get him. Bane is a genius so I'm sure he planned a lot of what he played out throughout the movie. Obviously talia played a role which was to fund what he was doing and to take over Wayne enterprise. so I wouldn't call that being a henchmen.
StarkReactor - 12/14/2012, 11:33 PM
Jonathan Nolan = ambassador between Marvel and DC properties.

And also agreed that it would be very interesting if Whedon collaborated with Jonathan Nolan on a script in the near future.
Bandido - 12/14/2012, 11:37 PM
@mgeoff88: a superman fan huh? So did u pee ur pants when u saw the trailer? Cuz I did and I don't like supes that much haha but something tells me next year might change my mind ...*cough* both snyders

Great interview by the way
Happy11 - 12/14/2012, 11:41 PM
I always wondered why he had a bit of an american accent when his brother sounds like a toff lol but he seems like a nice guy he could easily have bashed the avengers.
Jollem - 12/15/2012, 12:17 AM
i would love to see this in the justice league movie

TwoToGo - 12/15/2012, 1:15 AM
Liking TWO THINGS AT ONCE? Nobody can live at that Speed!!!
Jollem - 12/15/2012, 1:35 AM
@SaxoWolf - ross is the man!
AUSSYACE - 12/15/2012, 1:44 AM
Let's get the Batman costume right though for the JLA Film...

I want the grey traditional look or any of these below would be ok...

datNAMEtho - 12/15/2012, 4:15 AM
A man if Nolan works on JLA..... SH!T IS GONNA GO DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!
Super12 - 12/15/2012, 6:00 AM
At last, DC and peace with eachother...

DukeAcureds - 12/15/2012, 6:23 AM
It's so refreshing to hear Jonathan Nolan call Joss Whedon a god. I was sitting here thinking that the Nolan camp were all holier than thou, in the whole Avengers Vs. TDKR thing, whilst Whedon the only one showing love and respect for the Dark Knight films.
mgeoff88 - 12/15/2012, 7:22 AM
@Bandido I didn't pee my pants, but I did break out the lube for that trailer. Especially when Superman flew for the first time... I had a nerdgasm! :P

I think MOS is going to surprise a lot of people.
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