Why Nolan did a great job with The Dark Knight trilogy.

Why Nolan did a great job with The Dark Knight trilogy.

Many people complain about Chris Nolan and his Batman trilogy, but have they really considered this?

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By kenjim152 - 11/27/2012
The Dark Knight Rises is just about to come out on DVD and Bluray and I am sure many of this site’s users will get it, but as many of us will see it again at home there will also be a big amount of people who will start complaining about the horrible job Nolan did with The Dark Knight Trilogy.

I have to confess that I think Chris Nolan is a great film maker, but beyond that I am an old time comic book reader and a big fan of comic book movies, so I have never been sure where all that Nolan hate came from, but what I am sure indeed, is that he did a great job whit his Batman movies and I will try to explain why.


Most of the complaints I have read about Nolan’s Batman movies are about how much he changed the Batman character and how much it was different from comic books. I kind of understand that perspective, and a lot of people may be right when they say we did not get the world’s best detective on the big screen, we did not get a great martial artist either and not even the master of disguise Batman usually looks like on comic books or regular cartoons most fans are used to; but either we like it or not none of the three movies we got required that.
Batman Begins was all about Bruce´s journey to become the caped crusader, his motivations and all he had to go through to stablish Batman as Gotham’s protector. Batman Begins does not have a specific villain until Batman finds the drug shipment which is his first appearance, and even then he was able to track down where they were being stored and who was storing them (scarecrow), but he did not mostly used his detective skills to do so, on the other hand he used one of the main Batman’s skills: INTIMIDATION. And that is when the source material starts being used. At the beginning Batman was all about inspiring fear in criminals, scaring them so they would think twice about going out at night, that is such a basic concept about Batman that even the SUPERFRIENDS cartoon series has an episode about it, and then almost all the movie moves around that, when Batman is at the docks beating all those bad guys, they cannot even see him, he was just a shadow, a monster in the dark, and from there when he gets to Arkham to rescue Rachel the word had already been spread. “Can he really fly?” one of the Scarecrow guys said because he was scared of the Batman! Correct me if I am wrong, but besides Tim Burton’s “who are you”? line I cannot remember regular bad guys being afraid of Batman on any other movie.

Most of us are getting used to the way Marvel uses easter eggs to conect their movies to the source material, but getting a Superman cameo is not what a Batman comic book is about, source material in my opinion is everything on a movie that can be directly or indirectly linked to comicbooks. The scene when Batman gave the little kid his night vision googles is obviously making reference to a comicbook relationship Batman has, and that is sometimes what makes me uncomfortable about complaints. Most of comic book movie fans are just that, they just watch movies about comicbooks, but they do not tend to read comics as much as a regular reader would, and that is why they do not connect things that easily.
The Dark Knight is full of comic book connections, my favorite one: when the Joker is hitting Batman with a lever bar one time after another, which just made me remember the death in the family story line.

James Gordon saying Batman does what 50 officers could do is literaly taken from a comic book. Batman fighting police officers in a semi constructed building was taken from Batman: Mask of the Phatasm
. “I think you and I are destined to this forever” phrase has been depicted like a million times in all kinds of media not only comic books.
When Batman comes back on The Dark Knight Rises and the old police officer tells his young partner “Oh boy, you are in for a show tonight, son!” was taken from The Dark Knight Returns story line and It has ben used more than once.
So as you can see the three movies were obviosly written by someone who has read comic books all his life or at least by someano who did a deep research on Batman, I have to admit that Chris Nolan may not have had that deep involvement in the screen play, but at least he was not the classical all mighty director who thinks he has got the right idea of what o who the comic book character really is and just changues everything.
Batman has been around since May 1939 and has evolved a lot since then, so I belive it is almost impossible to depict him as everyone would expect or believes he should be. There is a comic book that was published some years ago and it is about a magazine one who killed some workers and ince he knows Batman will go after him he hires some writers and storytellers so they could tell him how they visualize Batman; and all of them come up with so different ideas about who Batman is that at the end the owner kicks them all out, but somehow they were all right!

And that is my point I guess that at the end Batman is different for everybody and it would be impossible to show what Batman is on three movies.
Now talking about film making The Dark Knight has gotten 67 nominations and more than 90 awards in different movie festivals around the world, so trying to deny that Chris Nolan did a great job with the dark knight is just going agains facts.

This is the first time I post something here so I hope I did not break any rules, excuse my English, it is not my mother´s language.
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Preston - 11/27/2012, 9:41 AM


You are just making random associations in your article. Please, give examples backed up by issue numbers.

I can say that: The Dark Knight Rises is a re-imagining of Batman '66.

They both have four villains:
Rises: Scarecrow, Bane, Talia, and Catwoman
66': Joker, Penguin, Riddler, and Catwoman

They Both had an aerial vehicle:
Rises: The Bat
66': The Bat copter

Batman '66 had a batboat, and 'Rises' almost had one.
"I was heavily pushing for a Batboat," he said. "I love working on water and thought it would have been a great Bat-vehicle. Chris felt that it wasn't big enough for the last in his trilogy so he went for [The Bat instead]."

They both had a Robin.

They both had a bomb.
Preston - 11/27/2012, 9:56 AM
p.s: Let's not forget the inspiration for the Catwoman costume:
kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 10:10 AM
@preston, I mentioned my points, I even mention where I consider they were taken from, The joker could have just kicked Batman, instead he used a lever bar, of course he is not hitting Robín , but he is using a bar an element taken from the comic books, and taken not from any story, but from one of the most important Batman storylines. I mentioned where the elements I posted were taken , the comic book I mentioned at the end is called viewpoint and it was the dark night issue 0 after zero hour.
Preston - 11/27/2012, 10:26 AM
You are just drawing parallels that don't exist; you can draw up the same parallels between any number of comics, heroes, etc.

I did see a few nods to the comic; however, everything from motivation to characterization was way off from that found in the source material.

Here do the following: Defend the 7-8 year gap using the source-material (comics).

Now, remember that he quit wilfully after one year as BATMAN. Show me that in the comic. You can even use any ELSEWORLD tale that you want.

You know what, it doesn't exist.

You know why?! Because BATMAN isn't a quitter. It goes against everything that makes him BATMAN.

Again, nods and Easter eggs aren't the same as respecting the source-material.
kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 10:43 AM

Because it us Nolan's version of the Batman universe, that is why I recommend everybody read viewpoint, Batman has quit before several times, the first Ones that come to my mind are: 52 weeks, venom saga, knight quest and they are not else worlds storylines.
Preston - 11/27/2012, 11:05 AM

52 weeks: the disappearance of the "big three" heroes in the DCU, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman caused by Mister Mind (a worm that feeds on time).

venom saga: I'll assume that you mean Legends of The Dark Knight issues 16-20. He doesn't quit. He goes cold turkey (for a few days), and comes back better than ever.

knight quest: He was injured. Bane BROKE his back. He didn't quit.
kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 11:21 AM
Venom saga he locked himself in the batcave for mote that just weeks, knight quest he did not feel ready to come black as Batman so he sent in to training with lady sheeva, both stories he quit in his free will for diferente reasons.
Preston - 11/27/2012, 11:29 AM
Training with Shiva, going Cold Turkey, and a Time Altering scenarios are not the same thing as quitting.

Quitting is voluntary.

If you are training for a job, you haven't quit.

If you have been wiped out of existence, you haven't quit.

If you are in rehab, you haven't quit.

Let me help you understand the term:

quitting present participle of quit (Verb)

1). Leave (a place), usually permanently.
2). Resign from (a job).

kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 11:45 AM
Thanx 4 the help, now let us use your definición in context, if he let Azrael be Batman for a while so he could go in to training he stopped doing his Job, he did not resign because there is no contract, and he did not go in to training to get the Job, he actually left his job so he could go into training so he quit; Maybe for a time but he quit. Same think to go in rehab you cannnot do ur Job to go into rehab, specially if u r Batman, did he get a sickleave mean while? No right? So he has to quit for a while. :)
Preston - 11/27/2012, 11:53 AM
BatsFan - 11/27/2012, 12:37 PM
Please stop putting flashing words it's distracting when I tried to read your comments.
mac464 - 11/27/2012, 3:07 PM
I'm guessing you haven't read The Dark Knight Returns, where batman leaves for 10 years. So it has been done in the comics before!

The thing is that The Dark Knight Trilogy are the best batman movies ever.
kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 4:07 PM
Batman on the Dark KNight Trilogy never tan away, it is just that GOtham did not need him. Most of the criminals were in prison and there were no súper villanía around.
Jollem - 11/27/2012, 4:35 PM
nice article, kenjim152
kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 4:40 PM
@Jollem, thanx dude :)
Tainted87 - 11/27/2012, 5:39 PM
I'm with David Cronenberg on TDK trilogy. Nolan disguised Batman as a man with resources who could (if you suspend your disbelief enough) legitimately be Gotham's vigilante.

That direction is what alienates a lot of people, who may love it regardless, but they acknowledge that Nolan's Batman does not act like the man from the comics. Those around the world who don't read comics and think of comic book characters as something adolescent... LOVE Nolan's Batman. So in a way, he did Batman a great favor... it just came at a HUGE price.
kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 9:39 PM
@jokerfan u r right, most movies have Tons of mistakes, and I do agree TDKR is the weakest of the 3, but still I am convinced no one could have done better than that. I really hope next big screen batman gets away from this BASIC version of the caped crusader that can actually be part of something bigger, Maybe something like the justice league :)
kenjim152 - 11/27/2012, 10:53 PM
As I said part of something bigger :)

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