RUMOR: The Dark Knight Rises Will Draw from Tim Sale's "Batman: Dark Victory"

RUMOR: <em>The Dark Knight Rises</em> Will Draw from Tim Sale's "Batman: Dark Victory"

Cosmic Book News has been contacted with some interesting information about the Batwing, Bane, and the script. An inclusion of material from Sale's "Dark Victory" could mean Robin makes an appearance.

Next, regarding the Batwing (though the source didn't specifically name it that), it will be what we've seen in set photos, but enhanced with a CGI underbelly and wings.

Now, regarding the story, the source said it is an original script, but when you think of the following DC Comics comic book stories, put them all together and that is the story: "Knightfall," Frank Miller's "Batman: Year One," and Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's "Batman: Dark Victory."

Finally regarding Bane, he is considered an "heir" as the leader of the League of Shadows much like in the comics, and also - Talia al Ghul is in the story.

The Batwing with wings? I guess I could see it. People have been speculating that it would have blades like a helicopter, but I haven't heard too many people expecting wings on that contraption.

As for the Bane and Talia al Ghul information, that isn't anything new or revealing. It's expected that Bane would have to tie-in with the League of Shadows in order to make the connection between the past films. As for Talia al Ghul, this is Nolan's worst kept secret. The minute we saw her walking down those steps and into a tumbler in Pittsburgh, we knew she wasn't just a board member of Wayne Enterprise.

And finally we have the info on the script. I think I'm more shocked that the list of inspiration doesn't have "No Man's Land." Everything I've read on the leaks and scene of the videos and pictures suggests a heavy reliance of the earthquake related storyline.

The surprise on the list is Tim Sale's "Batman:Dark Victory." It was a 14-part comic book series that is a sequel to "Batman: The Long Halloween." If this rumor is true then this would have BIG implications. Part of "Dark Victory" is a re-telling of the Robin origin. Who trains in secret and helps batman when the batcave is infiltrated by a whole slew of major villains.

Though the story truly centers around Gotham police officers being murdered and Two-Face in a turf war against the remaining members of the Falcone crime family. That family is lead by Sofia Falcone, the daughter of Carmine Falcone.

I'll interject for a moment, now if Nolan wants to surprise us he'll have Marion Cotillard playing Sofia Falcone, but I don't think that is true based on the costume she wore during that Pittsburgh shoot.

The storyline has many different twists and turns. It actually has a story arc for Catwoman that suggests that Carmine Falcone is her father, and that could be a nice twist in The Dark Knight Rises.

The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters July 20th 2012 and stars Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman, Michael Caine as Alfred Pennyworth, Garly Oldman as Jim Gordon, Tom Hardy as Bane, Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as John Blake and Marion Cotillard as Miranda Tate.

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Hellsing - 10/18/2011, 1:40 PM
BatWING, I mean seriously you don't really have to be a [frick]ing genius to figure that out I mean it is a aircraft after all.
Hellsing - 10/18/2011, 1:41 PM
by the way the comment wasn't aimed at you nailbiter
Hellsing - 10/18/2011, 1:42 PM
and Sure its most likely tailia but Nolan isn't afraid to make entirely new character up.
Supes17 - 10/18/2011, 2:13 PM
Thalia's probably going to die
Moonwalker1991 - 10/18/2011, 2:16 PM
Please no to Robin. As much as I love the character, please no. Everything else I'm fine with. I just don't want to see another Batman franchise go down the drain.
Greengo - 10/18/2011, 2:18 PM
Wings.... hmmmmm... interesting.

I doubt it though.
Supes17 - 10/18/2011, 2:24 PM
lmao as if someone actually got their hands on the script.
The ACTORS were locked up in a room when they read it!
PaulRom - 10/18/2011, 2:24 PM
It's funny that people are assuming that Robin's in the film, when people working on the film say that he won't be.
But I can see the rest of the story working in the film.
manymade1 - 10/18/2011, 2:26 PM
Since TDK drew from Long Halloween, its no suprise it's drawing from Dark Victory.
marvel72 - 10/18/2011, 2:30 PM
if he puts robin in i will not be able to stop laughing,it'll be the funniest thing since bane's lame mouth piece & bale's laughable batman voice.

the dark knight plumets!
Bodwulf - 10/18/2011, 2:48 PM
Bad idea , do you realize how dated that will be in 2 yrs time? It would be like a Cindy Shehan cameo in Batman Begins.
Guerillas - 10/18/2011, 2:48 PM
such a great book! ps. i got a Tim Sale tattoo on my lower arm :)
Bodwulf - 10/18/2011, 2:49 PM
^^^^^^^^^LOL WRONG ARTICLE!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ComicBuzz - 10/18/2011, 2:53 PM
Well that would explain the CGI sticks attached to the latest set pics of the batwing. Interesting...
JWStubner - 10/18/2011, 3:12 PM
OK..The Dark Knight was based on The Long Hallowen. Based on this logic being used here Holiday should have been in The Dark Knight.....but he wasn't because they replaced him with The Joker the same way they're replacing Robin with Catwoman in The Dark Knight's literally that simple. Use your god given brains people.
LucasMend - 10/18/2011, 3:15 PM
I would prefer a grown robin already, even better, Nightwing should be, Talia was already too obvious, lol. Hoping better for the movie here!
Gnyah123 - 10/18/2011, 3:45 PM
so dnt start bitching about it..cuz it may not even be true!
Optimus83 - 10/18/2011, 3:49 PM
I like see Dick Grayson NOW!!!, Christian Bale needs a Dick, is a fundamental part of history the Batman. ...
manymade1 - 10/18/2011, 3:50 PM
@ JW That actually does make sense.
thewolfx - 10/18/2011, 4:27 PM
bane and catwoman still look dumb
Luther - 10/18/2011, 4:43 PM
@Azazel..he also said no Catwoman..and early on, Liam said he hasn't been approached to be in this as Ras, but...we all know that he IS in this, briefly of course.
unclebuck99 - 10/18/2011, 4:46 PM
jgl nightwing or azreal.but no robin
megabatfan - 10/18/2011, 5:04 PM
Has anyone ever seen how a bat looks lying on the ground? The Batwing or whatever it is reminds me of that.. So I'm thinking when it's in flight some CGI wings will be added (to make it look like a bat in flight)... Remember, the tumbler does hav a "bat design" to it
soberchimera - 10/18/2011, 5:05 PM

I'm putting all rumors from here on out in the bupkis file.
siddhant1138 - 10/18/2011, 5:36 PM
I love Dark Victory, but I wouldn't mind if they substitute Robin with Catwoman in this case. It seems likely.
NeoBaggins - 10/18/2011, 6:53 PM
Rumor. The End.
odie00 - 10/18/2011, 7:28 PM
dark victory's robin is awesome, one of my favorite stories. they could easly have dick grayson in the movie, but they probably wouldnt make him robin. and im guessing he would be introduced at the end of the movie.
goatmilk - 10/18/2011, 7:39 PM
Dark Victory also features an underground criminal court system with Harvey Dent as prosecutor and a bunch of villains as jury (I can't remember who the judge was, I wanna say calendar man maybe?). Anyways this would make sense with all the recent rumors involving Jonathan Crane and also would account for the fact that a lot of set photos point to Bane using underground systems in some way. I personally went to the LA shoot under the sixth st. bridge and they had this whole section built that looked like an ice wall that was breaking like it was an entrance to the sewer and I thought about that part of Dark Victory when I saw it.
Tainted87 - 10/18/2011, 9:17 PM
har har har

Dark Victory is all about TWO things (see what I did there?)....

-Wrapping things up with the Falcone family
-Introducing Robin

As it stands, the two big bads in there are Sofia Falcone (only appears in the Loeb/Sale stories), and Two-Face. Story involves a serial killer targeting Gotham's Finest in a hangman-style fashion, with the evidence pointing towards Dent, especially after he breaks out of Arkham. Meanwhile, Dick's parents are killed in their rigged "accident", and Bruce takes him in. I like the story, but I think it was more of a draft of "Hush".

And if you're talking about the relationship between Carmine and Selina... that is NOT a story arc in Dark Victory. She says a couple of things about the fact that his paternity doesn't matter as he was never in her life at the end, but that's it. THAT story is featured in the in-between series - Catwoman: When In Rome.

I'm a big Loeb/Sale fan :)


There is a very small kangaroo court in No Man's Land, but the only people present are Gordon, Montoya, and Dent. Two-Face basically has a whole issue of craziness in an attempt to "convict" Gordon of breaking a contract (he had a truce with Two-Face), and dereliction of duty (he was supposedly responsible for Montoya's safety before she was kidnapped... by Two-Face). It's a big waste of time, and the big facepalm at the end is that Dent finds himself guilty.
goatmilk - 10/18/2011, 9:35 PM
I could swear the court scene was in Dark Victory cause that was the one where Ivy, Freeze, and Dent bust up through the floor of a regular court room and they kidnap Janice Porter, who Dent was having an affair with, and bring her underground. I could be mixing up some of the fact but I know that Dent kills her and that here is a criminal court scene in it.
soaponapope - 10/18/2011, 9:47 PM
just to echo what a few other people have said, as someone who has read both LH and DV i don't know what they could possibly be using from dark victory. dark victory was a sequel to long halloween. they say it was a stand alone story but it was absolutely a conclusion to the threads that were left open at the end of Long halloween, specifically the conclusion to the Falcone/Marone crime story, Sofia gigante and her crazy self, and alberto falcone hearing voices in the walls (the "reveal" about the voices in the walls in alberto's mansion was absolutely one of my favorite moments in the history of batman)

anyway if they did take things from dark victory it would have to be small details that are very specific, rather than whole plot elements or entire threads
soaponapope - 10/18/2011, 9:49 PM
yes you guys got the kangaroo court thing right, two face had one of those mock trials in his nasty sewer base with some criminals he thought was guilty, so he was trying them... those reports we heard of a kangaroo court involving scarecrow as the judge definitely were taken from DV (if its true)
Tainted87 - 10/18/2011, 9:50 PM
There's a court scene after Dent is finally arrested in the sewers by Gordon and Sofia's insider agent. Just as the trial begins and Janice is beginning a statement, Dent asks her for the time... while wearing a watch.

Boom! In comes Ivy and Freeze through the floor, as you described, and Two-Face shoots her in the head when the Joker assumes the two lovers were going to run away together, claiming that Harvey Dent is a married man. But yeah, there's no mock court scene.
alucard365 - 10/18/2011, 10:39 PM
This is so fake.
Number1Wolverine - 10/19/2011, 2:05 AM
EarOne - 10/19/2011, 5:09 AM
No. don't introduce Robin here.

No. don't make Selina KYLE as Carmine's daughter.

Yes. i won't mind if Ra's al Ghul MIRACULOUSLY returns to life (maybe, scarred), since we didn't exactly see he met his maker in Batman Begins. If Marion IS playing Talia after all, she should end up BETRAYING her dad, in the end, for Batman/Bruce (whichever she has the hots for). so, without Neeson's Ra's around, it won't be the same. the father-daughter dynamics gotta be featured in this. sides, without Liam Neeson's Ra's, this movie is really LACKING in the formidable baddie...even with the combo of Talia, Bane and, well, Catwoman...

And, Robin...screw him.
Hammer420 - 10/19/2011, 10:19 AM
i agree, sounds like it'll be the catwoman/falcone connections they'll draw on from "Dark Victory". At the same time, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of JGL as an adult Robin....but it's a long shot.

The "Knighfall" reffing is pretty obvious, and as for "Year One", I imagine that will be used as source material for Catwoman's origin story, and/or Gordon's infidelity.
Calpurnius - 10/20/2011, 10:52 AM
If they introduce Robin, maybe they do it the same way they introduced the Joker at the end of Batman Begins, with a wink and a nod.

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