Best Way for Warner Bros. To Continue the Success of the Batman Franchise *Contains Major SPOILERS*

Best Way for Warner Bros. To Continue the Success of the Batman Franchise *Contains Major SPOILERS*

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By TheRaven20 - 7/21/2012
I think it’ safe to say we found the future of the Batman franchise: Joseph Gordon-Levitt. For those who have seen The Dark Knight Rises, we know that Batman and Bruce Wayne are both thought to be dead to the citizens of Gotham (though it is revealed that Bruce is still alive and well starting fresh with Selina Kyle.) It is also revealed that Bruce left the batcave in the hands of Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character, former GCPD cop “Robin” John Blake. The film ends with John Blake discovering the batcave… but I believe this is just the beginning.

Now many believe John Blake will take the place of Batman and be Gotham’s protector and I think this is safe to assume. However, will he become Batman or Robin or somebody else entirely? Does it matter? I think it does because I think what Warner Bros. should do is create a spinoff series set in the same or a similar universe with JGL as the lead.

Now I don’t believe he’ll become Robin because Robin was much younger in the comics and even though we all know they aren’t really following any character from the comics by inventing the Robin John Blake character, I still think he won’t be Robin and that that was just a nod to fans. Also Robin might seem out of place in this universe. I am actually one of the people who think Robin would have been a good addition to the franchise and that he could have been fitted in, but only as a sidekick and they’re would have had to have been much development of his character, so I understand his absence.

Others think that he will become Batman but again I don’t believe so because everyone thinks Batman is dead and I think JGL is smart enough to let Gotham’s legendary hero rest in peace.

So where am I going with this? If you haven’t already guessed I think the perfect way to continue the Batman series is create a Nightwing Spinoff movie series starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt. This way Warner Bros. would still have a marketable Batman character and even if the did decide to reboot Batman in the future (which I believe would be hard to do following a trilogy of this magnitude), it wouldn’t feel forced.



Another point is there would be no need to tell an origin story for we received enough character development from The Dark Knight Rises and could have John Blake start as Nightwing almost immediately. Interestingly enough he seems to already have his symbol. The bat symbol that Blake draws with chalk throughout the film resembles the Nightwing symbol in a way. Intentional? Maybe, but even if it wasn’t it certainly can be used.



Another advantage to this is people would already be familiar (and most likely not want to forget) Nolan’s universe. This would allow us to keep characters such as Gordon and Lucious and introduce other characters from the Batman mythos that were never featured in the previous films such as Barbara Gordon/Batgirl, Riddler, Penguin, etc.

This is the best way to continue the franchise and could potentially lead to some pretty great movies if done right. I’d love for Nolan to be a producer for the series and hopefully a capable director would be brought on. I even believe that if they wanted, they could introduce some of the more fantastical villains such as Killer Croc and Clayface if they wanted. I believe you can keep the tone of the original trilogy while introducing more fantastical elements to a grounded universe as long as they don’t seem completely out of place. Really in the end the sky is the limit as far as what can come from The Dark Knight Rises and I think there is already a great basis in Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character, for the sole reason that he was featured so much and that Gordon-Levitt played him so well.

Feel free to comment and share your opinions (even though you were going to anyway.)
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Minotauro - 7/21/2012, 11:12 AM
I agree with you. I would love he Nolan just produced and had someone else direct it, but with the same actors that finished off TDKR. It would be amazing to see JGL as Robin or Nightwing and Batman along with catwoman in the same movie. I hope they try to continue this with other writers.

But DON"T connect this with JL movie. Another Batman will be shot differently to do that.
AlternateNo4 - 7/21/2012, 12:01 PM
raven, i think you are absolutely correct. Honestly i think he left the door WIDE open for batman's return, too... just not bruce's. batman and nightwing could still appear together.

but more importantly, it AMAZES me that so many people on this site (who, as comics fans, i would expect to have huge imaginations and huge tolerance for fantasy stories) are so totally convinced that a reboot is necessary. absolutely not! the reason marvel has been so successful is because they have been completely unapologetic about mixing fantasy into reality. they included gods and magic into the real world just because they said so, without making everything neon and nipples like WB thought we needed.

release superman, make !@#$ing wonder woman, make a robin movie and have him switch to night wing halfway through, and then do an outer space GL sequel. then they can do justice league no problem, and if the threat is big enough they can bring batman out of seclusion WITHOUT HAVING TO !@#$ing REBOOT EVERYTHING ALL THE DAMN TIME!
gmoney0505 - 7/21/2012, 12:03 PM
I like the ending even though i hate it a little too. I want WB to let Blake take over as Batman and Bruce take some vacation time and enjoy like a little. Then realise some time after tat not just Gotham needs Batman but the world does also. And start traveling and meeting other in DC and then establishing JL. That how I want it but i know it will not go on like that.
BarnaclePete - 7/21/2012, 12:03 PM
I agree with JokerFan. This was a great series and I felt like it had a perfect ending. I think continuing this story isn't necessary and they should move forward with a new Batman story that is completely different from Nolan's version. John Blake was an interesting character, but I don't feel a need to see where he goes from here. I like having the mystery and I don't feel this need to always know every detail. There should still be room for our own interpretations and imagination.
Minotauro - 7/21/2012, 12:04 PM
@JokerFan - They did actually show Bane die. He made it where people assume he died because he got shot with the cannon on the batpod. Hell, bane is powerful so that probably just slowed him down and he could come back if explained right in a future installment.

I think Alfred really wanted Bruce to take a vacation from Gotham than retire as batman. They could give Alfred new motivation to continue helping Bruce as batman along with JGL as robin or Nightwing.

I think JGL will become Robin or Nightwing, and would be cool if both him and Batman teamed up in full costumes.

This all could be explained if another film was likely to be made.

Minotauro - 7/21/2012, 12:05 PM
@Minotauro - They DIDN'T actually show Bane die.

*fixed*
Advocate - 7/21/2012, 12:08 PM
I'm at a cross here. The Dark Knight Trilogy was such a good one that it could be left as is and "rebooted" to set up for a JL movie. But then again, the potential for a continuation featuring JGL and others from Nolan's universe seems to now be something most of us CBM fans would love, to see the DCU expand even more. Yet, I'm also one of the people who would prefer the Batman series to connect to a larger universe and not be excluded as its own thing. Makes me really wish Nolan had the DCU in mind the whole time that way this production toss-up wouldn't even be considered. We could have our cake and eat it, too. Good thing I'm not the one in charge of Batman's future direction. It's got to be extremely difficult to figure out how to handle the next phase. And we're all just sitting, waiting.
BarnaclePete - 7/21/2012, 12:09 PM
The way it ended with Bruce leaving to be with Selina to live a normal life. He found the happiness he never had and is moving on from the life of Batman which is exactly what Alfred wanted for him. Having Him come back as Batman would have a hard time not feeling forced. This was a perfect ending. Not everything needs to conti use on.
Minotauro - 7/21/2012, 12:40 PM
@The Advocate - Their could be two batman films made. One a continuation for this film. And a rebooted one.
Alchemist173 - 7/21/2012, 12:58 PM
I don't think that Nightwing will be used, Red Robin is a more likely character, especially given the design of the new man of steel.
gasmasquerade - 7/21/2012, 1:04 PM
I support the idea of continuing this particular interpretation of the Batman mythology. I like JGL and his John Blake character has a nice, solid story to build on. Grant Morrison has already provided the blueprint on how to utilize a new Batman in a way fans will accept and that is to let the character breathe as his own character, not a clone of Bruce Wayne's psychological profile. Nolan could be involved as much as he wants as he has said he only had three Bruce Wayne stories to tell.
Best of all, JGL has shown an interest in guiding youth as a role model. I can imagine JGL's Batman mentoring a 16 year old Robin. I can see Alfred helping finance the new Batman. I can see Gordan returning. this could and would work. I hope it happens. (With Harley Quinn as the new Batman's first major enemy)
I certainly don't want a reboot.
Minotauro - 7/21/2012, 1:25 PM
JokerFan - I think people try to hard to think something isn't possible because their own vision doesn't see it working. TDKR looked unrealistic from the fight scenes, to"thebat". Nolans vision is to make it look "convincing". If I introduced Clayface along side Bale, JGL, and Hathaway would you really looked at it as "can't mix something that isn't there"?
AlternateNo4 - 7/21/2012, 1:40 PM
@JokerFanHAhaHA agree, nolan wrote a non-supernatural world, although as others have pointed out, fear gas, memory cloth, flying cars and microwave emitters aren't exactly pure fact either. so while there's no magic, there's plenty of fantasy.

but the point is, true -- nolan's batman lives in gotham city, where so far there's no real supernatural stuff going on. BUT tony stark lived in the real world, too, until he met thor and hulk. so if WB wanted, there'd be no reason not to use the same universe... gotham is grounded, but when batman leaves gotham for metropolis or coast city, no telling what he might find.
AlternateNo4 - 7/21/2012, 1:41 PM
@minotauro - exactly right.
TheRaven20 - 7/21/2012, 1:45 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone. I too loved how Nolan ended his trilogy that's why I think that focusing on Nightwing is a different approach. I believe Bruce Wayne's story is over and finished perfectly and by focusing on the rise of a new superhero in the same universe I think they can create a series that captures what we loved about The Dark Knight Trilogy, without it being a continuation. AS much as I wish it didn't have to end the trilogy is over and because of the way things played out that's how it should stay, but I believe just because Bruce's story is over doesn't mean the other character's story has to be. I think that the ending is just fine and if they don't go in this direction I'll be content to leave it up to interpretation, but I think it could just as easily work this way too.
TheRaven20 - 7/21/2012, 1:51 PM
And thank you to those who understand about adding the more fantastical elements. The Iron man example is a good one. I believe it can be taken either way. We could get a continuation with Nightwing and duplicate Nolan's universe verbatim, or they could deviate from it. I think it's all up to a new director's vision, but just because we haven't seen it in that universe doesn't mean it can't exist. Sure you can't just include clayface as a giant clay monster, but you can figure out a creative way to introduce it into the universe. I think to say something can't fit into a universe is false, it's not what is introduced, but soley how it's introduced and that's why I say if done right, villains like Killer Croc and Clayface could be possible especially since this would be a new trilogy and while a continuation of sorts, still a fresh start.
TheRaven20 - 7/21/2012, 1:54 PM
And yes I don't see my idea fitting in the Justice League movie, which is kinda why I believe that if Warner Bros. can't get Bale to return as Batman, then they need to wait alot longer before introducing a new one for the sole reason is Bale's take is o fresh in our minds and to many of us such an ideal Batman.
AlternateNo4 - 7/21/2012, 2:08 PM
bale or no bale, retired or not... unless a guy is dead and buried (like harvey dent!) any comeback can be written into any sequel.

marvel does it and doesn't give a shiznit what we say. banner ran away, but answered the call when the threat was great enough. thor was trapped in asgard but gee, there he was in avengers with no explanation. need cap in 2012? freeze the bastard. whop CARES??? it's a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. schumacher's "vision" (if you want to call it that) doesn't match burtons, but nobody whined for a reboot. there have been 457 bond writers & directors but only one reboot, and that wasn't even that much of a reboot... it's not like we saw him in the navy and then get recruited and trained and all.

you want batman back? clean slate works, but selina gets caught with a bunch of stolen goods (just because her record is clear, the stuff is still on file as missing!) and when the FBI comes to nab selina, whoops! they find out bruce isn't dead after all. done. wow, that was so difficult.
gasmasquerade - 7/21/2012, 2:12 PM
Personally, while, overall, I have found Nolan's take on Batman acceptable and entertaining, I am not one to worship the guy. there are plenty of very legitimate gripes about the trilogy.
Perhaps the best one I can offer is one my wife just pointed out. I want to post it somewhere and this is as good as anywhere.
"Why would Bruce Wayne allow Alfred to believe he were truly dead but let Selina Kyle know he is alive???"
I think she pointed out the biggest out of character flaw if you think about it.Alfred raised him and was his truly trustworthy confidant. I think Nolan dropped the ball there.
AlternateNo4 - 7/21/2012, 2:17 PM
and as for introducing fantasy, they just have to DO it and then recognize that it's nuts. i don't care if man-bat suddenly appears and starts eating !@#$ing babies. just have a scene where bruce checks the DNA and finds out it's real, and then spend 90 seconds with him talking to alfred about how out of hand things are getting, and he can't tell what to believe and what not to. alfred says well master wayne, jim gordon did warn you about escalation, and bruce says yeah, but he never said anything about this.

as long as the fantasy elements don't get too over the top, like having clayface make himself into a fake batcave so he can swallow bruce, or having ivy shoot !@#$ing redwoods out of her ears, it'll be fine. a good writer can tell a good story and make it work... they just need to ease into it movie by movie so it's not too silly.
AlternateNo4 - 7/21/2012, 2:26 PM
@gasmasquerade - because selina ran like hell at the end, and bruce found her. to tell alfred he was alive, he'd have had to go back to gotham, and he wasn't going to do that.

he also knew that deep down inside alfred knew there was a chance he'd survived... which is why he knew alfred would go back to that cafe, and why he went there too... specifically so alfred would see them.
TheBatman50k - 7/21/2012, 3:08 PM
I dont want any director taking on Nolan's interpretation. That was Nolan's version the next director should do something different.
rodneyandstan - 7/21/2012, 4:09 PM
@the author, how dare you make an article full of slander and remorse,with no guided grammar and punctuation you heathen. I hope that your name the raven stands for the wonderful article written by the great female author Edgar Allan Poe.I am a steeler fan as well and take great pride in two things in life, watching batman and watching my steelers.Anyone who goes to the colleges in central pa like shippensburg or desales can suck it.
love rodney and stan
TheRaven20 - 7/21/2012, 4:58 PM
^ Gotta love hate comments from people you know...
rodneyandstan - 7/21/2012, 5:03 PM
rodney and stan are movie critics not people you know mr raven
Advocate - 7/21/2012, 5:45 PM
@Minotauro

I've thought about this as a way out of the current predicament. But do you honestly believe Warner Brothers would project two different story lines at the same time (in relevance with the emergence of a JL agenda) for the sake of continuation, when resources would be clumped up on one franchise as opposed to branching out and maintaing a JL course? It just doesn't seem likely. They've done a Superman movie during the time Smallville was still on the air, but these were two stages on a continuum. Batman's legacy unfortunately cannot be as luxurious.

No, I wish that the proposed suggestion were logical, but it doesn't add up. It reduces the impact DC could make. Because after all, they are a business, a company fueled by profit. Why make two Batman films (essentially splitting the budget in half, whatever that might amount to) when you can reboot OR continue the series with another monumental installation?
superherofan21 - 7/21/2012, 6:21 PM
Um.... I don't think they would make a Robin/Nightwing spin-off. Don't get me wrong, I loved JGL's performance and the Robin character, but I don't think WB will continue with Nolan's work. The next Batman film released in theaters will be a reboot. However.... they could possibly continue with the Robin John Blake character in an animated direct-to-video film, akin to Gotham Knights (although hopefully better). Or perhaps do something like they did with Smallville and give TDKR an epilogue comic book? Either way, I hope they do something with this, I just don't think they'd make a live-action feature film. I'd really love it if they did, but it's most likely not going to happen...
RedNTheHood - 7/21/2012, 6:26 PM
I've been waiting for an article like this since Friday morning.
Here's what I think should happen
The next movie should star JGL as Nightwing or Red Robin. He should continue to be the protector of Gotham and maybe one of the boys from the orphanage can be Robin his sidekick in future movies. For a JL movie they could make the threat so big that Bruce Wayne decides to put back on the cape and cowl and maybe at the end he can go to Gotham in disguise but not as batman and as a whole nother person. He could come up to JGL and acknowledge him as Nightwing why'll also hinting that he's Bruce Wayne/Batman. A Batman Beyond trilogy should follow with JGL as Terry Mcginiss's mentor
KingEmperor - 7/21/2012, 6:35 PM
Bring on Clock King!!!
NOLANITE - 7/21/2012, 9:40 PM
The ending was the ending. Even for a nolanite like myself I can acknowledge that.

He didn't tell Alfred because he knew where to find him.

Period.
No more spin off or sequels because it would disgrace "the epic conclusion".
Cleverbrotha - 7/21/2012, 9:49 PM
I've been waiting for this one too. It is easy for Bruce Wayne to go in his hiatus for a while, whether developing mentally, spiritually, or physically. That near death experience with Bane shook him up. "Robin" John Blake can assume the role, but I don't think so. Blake looks up to the Bat in an idolizing way. His eyes are open once he entered the cave. He doesn't have the skill set or vision to be Batman. He has the heart to be Boy Wonder. He could protect the city for awhile. But a greater threat could cause Wayne to resurface. Alfred would realize that Gotham needs Batman and Batman needs support, Robin. Think Batman: Reborn with Robin and the return of Bruce Wayne.
Now no one has mentioned Scarecrow. He was the judge of the people's court created by Bane. He launch a threat that causes Bruce Wayne to return to help Robin, forming the Dynamic Duo!! There are infinite possibilities to continue this franchise. I would love to see Nolan's perspective of Batman and Robin.
Tainted87 - 7/22/2012, 9:51 AM
I'm with the NOLANITE on this one.
Let it end with this movie - don't make a bastardization of Robin or Nightwing just for the sake of continuing Nolan's setting.
Naqoyqatsi - 7/22/2012, 7:56 PM
Don't you understand? The entire purpose of the ending was that "The Batman" is a legend and will live on no matter who wears the cowl. Not that they'll ever make a movie that will continue with JGL, but even if they did he would be Batman, not Nightwing or Robin. It's like Zorro. There are many who wear the mask but the legend is what gives him his strength. If it's not Batman, it has no point.
bigmike - 7/22/2012, 8:04 PM
Although I agree that this was a great ending. I think they left it open for more possibilities although Nolan does this to leave it up to us to decide what happens. Personally I'm not ready for a reboot to batman, and I don't think there needs to be one for awhile. Although its probably unnecessary and unlikely to happen I hope they continue the series with JGL as Nightwing/Robin. And I think they should do it without Batman, put the focus on Nightwing and let him become the hero. Another way they could go with it is making JGL Batman Beyond, although they might be more of a stretch, I think that would be better then him just taking over as regular Batman.
Bumble - 7/23/2012, 1:03 PM
look, one of the over-arching themes of these movies was that batman had to become more than just bruce, more than just a man; batman needed to become a symbol, a legend. That's what these movie's showed, the work that bruce did as batman made him a legend, the man that saved gotham. blake taking over the cowl would only prove to gotham that this batman character is truly legendary; something that can't be killed or die off. batman endures, no matter who or what is under the cowl. batman endures.
Plus, there was a new bat signal onto off the GPD building at the end of the movie. i don't think that would be there if he wasn't intended to be the batman.
greeneyes - 7/25/2012, 8:01 AM
For what it's worth, Nolan and Emma Thomas are producing a drama project through Warner Bros./Alcon Entertainment being directed by Wally Pfister (DP on Nolan films; he recently said he was no longer going to be a DP) and written by Jack Paglen. No word on what it's about yet, but filming is set to start this fall/winter. And according to tracking-board.com, JGL is loosely attached. Nothing could come of this, but still, interesting.
TheRaven20 - 7/25/2012, 11:31 AM
^That's extremely interesting, though I doubt it's a Nightwing movie, one can certainly hope!
TheWiseONE - 7/27/2012, 12:02 PM
WRONG! BATMAN IS BEING REBOOTED FOR THE COMING JUSTICE LEAGUE MOVIE!

After the success of the Avengers, DC Comics and Fox have green lighted a JL movie. It has been determined that Nolan's "realistic" Universe does not fit in with Superman (being an Alien) or Wonder Woman etc.. So they will need to reboot the Batman franchise YET AGAIN.

What this means for the Nolan Universe is there will be NO MORE BATMAN MOVIES. PERIOD. Sorry. So either John Blake becomes Nightwing or a realistic version of Robin, as only Nolan can deliver, ARE THE ABSOLUTE ONLY POSSIBLE SCENARIOS IN PLAY. This is a fact.

Now on for speculation for those interested. Nolan has clearly ALREADY changed Robin. That much can't be argued because he stated that this was his realistic take on the Robin side kick and that he took elements from all 3 Robins to make him... Grayson, Todd, and Drake.

By saying he's already created a Robin sidekick that gives credence to Nightwing with only one major draw back... Main stream audiences have no idea who Night Wing even is and studios like to play it safe, so it's FAR more likely if we do see another Nolan film in this Universe it will be a realistic take on Robin.
TheWiseONE - 7/27/2012, 12:11 PM
Also they will not risk confusing audiences by having TWO Batman movies running side by side. If you believe this is a viable option you do not know much about the industry.

Hope for it all you want to, it's your right, but Nolan's Batman is gone. All we can realistically hope for is a Robin or Nightwing spin off at this point But due to the success of this trilogy, the good news is that it's very likely.
brownbrownrob - 8/2/2012, 3:45 PM
Sorry in advance, but i think i am the only person that doesn't sit well with nolans' blend of all three robins in to one john blake. Why must the fan of one of the most lovable sidekicks ever be scwered again. I forgive nolan for not putting the Robin in the first two but to cop out of not wanting to go on with the project and then watering down the story to a trilogy, and minamizing the role to what it was an ending full of question for a movie putting the nolans world to rest. We deserve more then that. Nolan introduce a young boy who was associated with blake who could have been a good canidate for a true dick grayson, with a forth movie filming him as an older teen Robin the way he was best complimented to batman.
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