Why Everyone Should Stop Complaining About TDKR

Why Everyone Should Stop Complaining About TDKR

A reveal of all the inaccurate complaints about the best comic book movie of the year.

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By deadpoolbeatsall - 12/20/2012
Okay The Dark Knight Trilogy is without a doubt one of the greatest trilogies of all time. Also, it is probably the best CBM trilogy of all time. It seems as if with the high expectations of the finale of the great trilogy, upon seeing it people have nitpicked it to death and most of these nitpicks are inaccurate. I'm going to list these complaints and explain them.

1. Batman Quits.




People are saying, because of Batman's dedication to the city he would never quit. What they fail to understand is he quit to save Gotham. If he continued with the police hunting him, the symbol of Batman would be gone, people wouldn't look at Batman and see a hero, they'd see a murderer who no one should aspire to be. Also, if you have a problem with this then you should also have a problem with The Dark Knight Returns, which is widely held as one of the greatest graphic novels of all time.

2. Bane Is A Henchman



BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN! BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN! BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN! BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN!BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN! BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN! BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN! BANE IS NOT A HENCHMAN! If Bane is a henchman to Talia then Darth Vader is a henchman to The Emperor. Something like this was also in Arkham City where it turns out that Hugo Strange was working with Ra's Al Ghul, but you still see him as a formidable foe and Bane is still a very formidable foe. Bane and Talia are partners and Bane is a father figure to Talia not a love interest.


3. Bane Torturing Gotham For Months Is Pointless



He explains this while he is talking to Bruce in the prison. He says something like, there is a reason this prison is the worst hell on Earth, hope, many times has a man looked to the sky and imagined climbing to freedom, and that is what I'll do to your city. I vaguely recollect what exactly he said, but the isolation of the city wasn't pointless he was treating the people of Gotham like the people in the prison, he was giving the bad people a place to be crucified before their doom.

4. John "Robin" Blake



At the end, John Blake's real name is said to be Robin. Many people took this to mean he was going to be Robin and didn't like that, this what i say to those people: It was just a nod to the fans, Robin is a real name, If he became Robin it would be like Batman becoming a superhero named Bruce.

5. Batman's Only In It For About An Hour



This trilogy wasn't necessarily about Batman, sure he was the core character, but it was about Batman as a symbol and how people would react to Batman. In this movie, Batman is gone for the whole midsection and Gotham falls, it isn't a coincidence that when Batman comes back Gotham RISES again. That's what the whole movie was about when Bruce says Batman can be anybody he means everybody, so when the dark knight rises it means all the characters rise. Catwoman does when she comes back, John Blake does when he becomes Batman, and I assume more people of Gotham will don their own cape and become The Son's Of Batman I just wish this was explained.
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HulkinOut - 12/20/2012, 12:52 PM
My view on the ending was not that bruce quit and handed the mantle to john blake as batman, but that bruce is simply hiatus and giving john blake directions to the batcave was to set him up as a partner to help fight crime with. The guy just saved gotham from becoming nuketown, I think the guy deserves alittle brake and let "ROBIN" hold things down till he gets back.
HulkinOut - 12/20/2012, 12:55 PM
For ppl who thing bruce quit being batman, do you guys rly thing that when the next baddy comes along and terrorizes the city, bruce wont show back up.
Spideyguy94 - 12/20/2012, 12:59 PM
Bane was just a henchman. The Darth Vader comparison doesn't work because in star wars the movie comes out and says vader is a just a pawn to this evil bastard. Vader needs to be a pawn to redeem himself and show you there was still good in him. It also adds to the story and it makes the scene where luke is getting fried by the emperor so powerful. The second its revealed that talia's behind it all bane is seriously degraded because it wasn't his doing, everything he says and does is either talia's doing or just him talking bullshit, And his motivations just go completely down the toilet, to the point of him having no motivations and only doing things because of talia. And before anyone say they both planned it, why would bane plan to avenge ra's al ghul? Ra's kicked him out so if anything bane would hate Ra's, Talia does have a reason to avenge Ra's, bane doesn't so that makes him talia's henchman.
TheRaven20 - 12/20/2012, 1:17 PM
I like your analogy of Darth Vader to Bane. That's exactly how I see it. He's not a pawn. He helps carry out Talia's and his plan.
LexHairFight - 12/20/2012, 1:23 PM
The issue with TDKR is that Nolan wasn't provided a story editor. He never took a step back and looked at what makes a better story. Sure you can explain some of this stuff, but their inclusion doesn't make the story better. What does Bruce being a shut-in for 8 years do to enhance the story? It also makes it very confusing when you think he goes from being a complete shut-in due to his Rachel's death, to sleeping with Talia after meeting her 3 times.

There are several instances of this, where Nolan creates an issue that the movie needs to resolve, but it just doesn't contribute at all to the story. It makes it meddled.

The biggest is Talia's and Bane's motivation. They were kicked out of the league, they hated her father, yet in his death they decide to carry out his work? There was no established motive for revenge. Why not just have them say to Batman "you think the league would solely depend on you to sack Gotham." A plan B is a much simpler and more coherant conclusion. Unfortunately Nolan never took a step back to think about how to make the best movie, not the most complicated.

I still liked the movie. I thought it was more fun than people give it credit for, but these issues certainly held it back from being as good as The Dark Knight.
Tainted87 - 12/20/2012, 1:23 PM
Le sigh...

You are desperate to defend this movie, and I really cannot fathom a reason apart from some youthful dedication to the series brought on by some ill-conceived notion that Christopher Nolan is somehow facing defamation because of this. He has his millions. He's doing just fine. Why else would the trailer for Man of Steel show his name attached as a producer? How often have you seen that in a trailer for a comic book movie?

You misunderstand Batman if you're thinking The Dark Knight Returns justifies 8 years of retirement. The Batman in that continuity is OLD. Not 40s old, not 50s old, but in his 60s! Robin had just been blown up by the Joker, and the government had declared that those "superheroes" not working for them, be hunted down. In that continuity, Bruce comes out of retirement because crime is getting beyond anyone's control, and random bouts of murder are happening all over the city every day. He feels he HAS to do something. He doesn't do it because he wants to go out fighting - he does it because that's the only way he can live with himself.

Now for you to consider that Gotham needs Batman to be a symbol they can look up to.... tells me you're not going to pay much attention to any disagreeable comments. But I'm going to hammer at your resolve anyway. If Gotham didn't need Batman, then why is he there? Why didn't Bruce pack up and move to some other place that did? He sure didn't do anything else during those 8 years.

The choice to not be Batman takes one night. The choice to continually sit on your ass doing nothing for eight years... takes eight years. That tells you that he has lost all desire to be Batman, simply because of Rachel, not because of the legal system and the "Dent Act".

Batman DOES NOT GIVE UP. He's lost SEVERAL people important to him over the years.... like hmmmmm.... his parents? Right in front of him.... when he was 9 years old (age varies).

Bane was a henchman. That didn't bother me - everyone has their purpose in a movie, even the master planner has his or her limitations. In the comics, Bane is a mercenary. He did the job he needed to. No complaints about Bane, apart from the voice.

And I can't believe you actually said the trilogy isn't necessarily about Batman.
BarnaclePete - 12/20/2012, 1:35 PM
He didn't quit being Batman. He quit being Bruce Wayne. Alfred says it himself when he's talking to Bruce how he was just waiting for things to go bad. Gotham didn't need him to be Batman because of the Dent Act. In the end when he went off with Selina it was because he found a reason to live. To be Bruce. It's not that complicated. He quit being Bruce because of what happened to Rachel. He didn't think he would have another reason to live. He always thought that after Batman he would be with her. Her death is why he quit Bruce, and the Dent Act ended the need to be Batman. Without those to things he had nothing until Bane gave him a reason to come back. It was what he was waiting for and wanted to happen.
Spideyguy94 - 12/20/2012, 1:44 PM
@Tainted exactly, in The Dark Knight Returns he quits because he has pretty much no choice due to his age, the superhero ban and jason todd's death on his head. Batman is just way too driven to just quit, If anything he would become batman permanantly, becoming incredibly withdrawn from those closest to him like alfred, dick, tim and gordon.
TheHawkWithin - 12/20/2012, 2:38 PM
Can you guys just seriously give these damn articles a rest?
marvel72 - 12/20/2012, 3:10 PM
if i want to complain about something i will,i'm not gonna stop because you want me to.
themidnightking - 12/20/2012, 3:15 PM
What gets me is the fact that Bruce spent seven years training to be Batman, is only Batman for about two years, and then he quits for another eight. Also, number five on this list really pisses me off the whole reason you go to see a Batman movie is for Batman! Not the dumb as shit citizens of Gotham who thinks that a terrorist has their best interests at heart.
TheHawkWithin - 12/20/2012, 4:10 PM
@drawesome

He quit being Batman because he saved his city and he wasn't needed anymore.
Tainted87 - 12/20/2012, 4:39 PM
@BarnaclePete
A valid point, except "the Batman" didn't do anything for eight years. As I said, other places would definitely need him, and why on Earth wouldn't he want to get out of Gotham. And yes, I could actually see that working out perfectly even in the Nolan universe, where Batman is an international fugitive because he's been appearing all over the place. Alas, Batman was completely wasted.... because Bruce wanted to sit and mope and feel sorry for himself.

I mean damn, if all it took was Anne Hathaway to get him out of hiding, why couldn't Alfred have thought of that before?
"Hey look Master Bruce, this girl just stole your mother's pearls from your uncrackable safe! Go after her!"
(Hides pearls behind back)

Everything is pinned to Gotham, and it's such a horrendous ploy because NO ONE likes the characters apart from Gordon and maybe Blake. But Blake could have been anyone anywhere, didn't have to be some cop on the GCPD. Talia could have met Bruce in Monaco at a casino, where he'd intentionally let himself get beaten up by muggers to demonstrate what a self-loathing masochist he's become, determined to punish himself for his failure with Harvey and Rachel. Talia could have been the one to convince Bruce to save Gotham.
Spideyguy94 - 12/20/2012, 6:16 PM
@TheYoungMan You literally cannot accept any legitimate criticism of this movie. I think your missing the part that says COMIC BOOK in the site name. Your not a batman fan who actually reads the comics, your a Nolan fan why are you here? Why don't you go to site that is dedicated to Nolan?
VIRILEMAN - 12/20/2012, 8:25 PM
The fact people have talked for months about how bad this movie was just goes to show IT REALLY WAS BAD. When The Avengers came out, all we talked about for months was how awesome it was.

I also learned that Batman fans will defend anything with Nolan and Batman's name on it. The movie had SOOOO many problems.
LexHairFight - 12/20/2012, 10:12 PM
What did having him give up for 8 years contribute to the story? Was there anything about it that actually made the movie better?

The movie is full of stuff that doesn't actually make the movie better. It's complexity sake for complexity sake. Justifying these things doesn't change that.
Mrcool210 - 12/21/2012, 12:04 AM
sorry, you didnt refute a single point, would the next blind nolanite please stand up?
LEEE777 - 12/21/2012, 3:28 AM
BOOOBIES beat TDK easy!!!! : D

Bane was a Big Boobie anyways ; D

Hey its an ok film, just no masterpiece comic book movie, the fact the last 5 minutes pissed all over Batman didn't help, but so much more wrong with it not even funny!

<<< Only seen it once so far yet seen Avengers like 5 times says it all for a diehard comic book movie fan!

So glad its the end and don't have to see a Robin spin off :p

Bring on JUSTICE LEAGUE!!!!
LEEE777 - 12/21/2012, 3:31 AM
Ahhh we still got WATCHMEN, BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT!
Spideyguy94 - 12/21/2012, 3:41 AM
@TheYoungMan Here's the thing, there is nothing wrong with deviating from source material which the first 2 did great. But when ADAPTING something you need to get at least some thing's right like oh I don't know THE POINT OF THE CHARACTER. The whole deal with batman is that he protects people so they don't have to suffer the pain he did. While it doesn't hit you over the head with it, it is said. Here is something I'd like you to defend. Bruce has no cartilage in his knee which is a serious problem. My aunt had the same problem with her knee and she had to have 2 operations, a knee replacement and a years worth of rehabilitation. Yet Bruce just puts on a magic knee brace and his knee is fine. And don't say something like its just a movie, because you nolanites go on about how much depth and intelligent this movie has. Like I said before why don't you go to a site that is dedicated to Nolan.
Tainted87 - 12/21/2012, 9:26 AM
TheYoungMan is a die-hard Nolan fanatic. Nolan could have directed Batman and Robin and he would call it a masterpiece. His views won't change no matter how much logic and reasoning is submitted, because it will disagree with Chris Nolan.

You know what the difference is between Nolan's Batman and the real Batman is?


Self. Made. Hero.
Not part of the coastal clean-up crew.
AC1 - 12/21/2012, 9:28 AM
1. Actually, in The Dark Knight Returns it deals with Bruce coming out of retirement after quitting, because he felt quitting was the wrong decision. Then at the end, he quits his life as Bruce Wayne to be Batman full time.

2. Bane absolutely IS a henchman, when he should've been a mastermind.

3 and 4 are fair points that I've always agreed with

5. Batman is severely underutilized in this film, but it is a minor problem in a film that is riddled with other, bigger problems.

I'm a huge fan of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (and Chris Nolan's filmography in general), and I think, as a fan, my opinion that this film was subpar is perfectly valid, because I believe that being a true fan of something or someone means that you're able to identify the bad parts rather than ignore and accept them as falsely good. Every director has disappointing films in their filmography; Tarantino has Death Proof, Scorsese has a couple, Francis Ford Coppola and even Alfred Hitchcock had some too. And in my honest opinion, Chris Nolan has The Dark Knight Rises. It's a shame that this was the one that seemed to disappoint the same number of people that loved it, but there we go. And hey, as far as directors' worst films go, to count a film like The Dark Knight Rises as your worst is still something of an achievement.
Spideyguy94 - 12/21/2012, 11:38 AM
@Sotojuiceman so what your saying is if you didn't like this movie your not a batman fan. Well I absolutely love batman he's my 2nd favourite fictional character. But this movie just didn't do it for me. And it's not a piece of shit like people are making it out to be, but I find to be very overrated. And when I walked out of the movie theatre I absolutely loved it, but the second I started to think about it and talk to my friends about it the problems become very clear. Again I don't think it's a bad movie it's a good movie.
Spideyguy94 - 12/21/2012, 12:11 PM
@Sotojuiceman never mind that part about you have to be a batman fan I hadn't read what you said properly
Spideyguy94 - 12/21/2012, 1:56 PM
@Sotojuiceman I agree, batman 89 does not get bats due to the fact he kills and it doesn't focus on batman as a character neither do the 3 after that. I remember when i was around 6 or 7 and watching batman returns and seeing bats kill people and watching an episode of batmz TAS the same day and thinking why doesn't batman just kill this guy, and this is before i picked up my first batman comic. years later it showed me how weak 89 was and how strong TAS os. BB was the first True batman movie IMO. If you watch the special features on BB it shows you a lot of the things they adapted specifically year one. I think this shows how people can respectfully disagree on something.
dellamorte1872 - 12/21/2012, 3:25 PM
yeah that was a dick move @SQUARE. you have a layman's view of this mythology no offense but i wouldnt act like i knew what was what.
VIRILEMAN - 12/21/2012, 4:19 PM
Has it really come to this? "Stop making fun of my favorite movie! WAAAH!"
DDD - 12/21/2012, 8:23 PM
LEEE@ said it all when he said, "TDKR pisses all over BATMAN.

This was NOLAN pissing all over BATMAN and showing his
contempt for SUPERHEROES & comics. SUPERHEORES aren't
realism, they just aren't. BATMAN has had ROBINS, sidekicks,
in comics and should have them in movies.

BATMAN never QUITS while he is young enough to be BATMAN!
BRUCE is BATMAN and the only one who is BATMAN until he can
do it no more.

All comic book movie fans should hate NOLAN instead of love
him! He twisted BATMAN into something he is not.

In TDKR he has BATMAN doing so many things against his
nature it is ludicrous, even in TDK he had BATMAN/BRUCE
beating the crap out of THE JOKER in JAIL, JAIL of all
places! BATMAN would never do that no matter what! He
would use his brain, his immensely-skilled brain!

COMIC BOOK MOVIES are about SUPERHEROES, if the hero IS a
superhero.

NOLAN doesn't understand BATMAN AT ALL!
NOLAN doesn't understand superheroes & villains.
NOLAN pisses on them!
marvel72 - 12/22/2012, 5:17 AM
i love how if you don't like this movie you're a marvel fan,a lot of users on this site are in denial its nowhere near as good as the previous two movies & most of them like it for the sake of it & just won't admit the movie has problems.
marvel72 - 12/22/2012, 3:22 PM
@ knightofsteel

i'm the same i like marvel more than dc but i like both companies,from comics to movies both have good & bad ones.
relentless1 - 12/23/2012, 7:59 PM
agree on most parts, but vader was a henchman to the emperor dude

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