Bane in TDKR

Bane and how TDKR could have been better.

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By johnblake - 11/25/2012
The Dark Knignt rises featured Bane. Bane in this movie Personality wise was spot on. He was meanacing, intelligent and a phisical beast. So i think his personality from panel to screen transfered over well. We got the prison break from knight fall, the sealed off gotham from no mans land, and got to see him break Batman's back. Pretty freakin sweet. His look


didnt really bother me all that much. I would say i really didnt care that much because this.



would look very out of place in the Nolan Batman universe. I know a lot of people who wished he was the giant monster man like in the comics but it just wouldn't work in Nolan's real world. So this lean fast bane in TDKR was okay with me even if he was at little short, he look way bigger than batman on screen. Escpecially at the end.

Now my problems with this movie was that it takes place 8 years after the Dark Knight. I know Nolan was trying to finish his trilogy but i felt it should have been like 6 months to a year. I cant accept that a 30 something, Bruce Wayne would just drop his crusade that he spent his entire twenties preparing. That was my biggest gripe with this film. Even two or three years would've been okay. but almost an entire decade. That was really out of character for Batman.

Anne Hathaway as Cat woman was great and was glad that they pulled it off with out being cheesy.

John blake was cool but wished that while batman was in the prison he would've found the batcave and fought bane as a sort of psuedo nightwing. The whole "Robin" line was cool but a face palm at the time



But why'd they have to kill bane. That was so lame. Then you find out he was a lapdog for Talia. I wouldve perfered a resurected Ras from the lazurus pit that wanted to use Bane as his succesor instead of Bruce. But that's just me.
All in all it was a great movie with only minor problems. Just wished we could've seen more of this universe. Think these films and the Sam Rami Spiderman trilogy are the best super hero trilogies. What did you guys and gals think about the TDKR and Banes look.
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teabag - 11/25/2012, 4:53 PM
I had no problem with Bane...other then the fact he made me piss myself with laughter everytime he spoke

he sounded like Goldmember

Which I suppose is a positive thing ;P
Knightrider - 11/25/2012, 5:19 PM
I never saw him as a lap dog. More of the General to a countries army.

His death never bothered me either, as Batman and Bane had fought twice already, so left me hungry for more, which is better than being over saturated.

People, especially us the fans, will always have our ideal version or what we want up on screen, sometimes they match sometimes they don't and that can affect our enjoyment.

Me I liked this version of Bane, and seeing as he isn't the best known villain in the mainstream media, it was good to see the whole breaking of the bat, which thought we'd never see.
Fenix122 - 11/25/2012, 5:44 PM
I thought Bane looked fine, I wish they would have Blake become Nightwing, I was afraid when i heard Hathawaye was gonna be Catwoman but she ended up doing a real good job, good article though, though I must point out one thing, Sam Rami's Spider-Man series was not one of the best, that's only because of the third movie, the first two were awesome I think they should have introduced Eddie Brock early in the second movie to begin a rivalry with Parker and then have Venom at the very very end of SM2, and then had him through out the whole SM3, but I thought Venom looked terrible, but you are right Bane was an awesome villain not exactly true to the comics (like Venom) but still rocked ( unlike Topher Grace's Venom) and Nolan's Batman trilogy is not just one of the best superhero trilogy, it's one of the best of all time!!! Good article!!
TheYoungMan - 11/25/2012, 6:15 PM
Just because you are partners-in-crime with a woman does not mean that you are a "lapdog". *rolls eyes*
johnblake - 11/25/2012, 6:17 PM
The difference there is that those are two very different worlds. The MCU is far more like the comic book universe than the Darknight universe so I would like to see a more fantastic Captain America in a world where Hulks and Norse Gods are flying around. But in the Nolan world none of these things exist, if bane was a luchador wearing giant it wouldnt work. Thats why i have no problem with different interpetations in that universe. As long as they are done well, like Bane, unlike Talia.
TheYoungMan - 11/25/2012, 6:19 PM
"Now my problems with this movie was that it takes place 8 years after the Dark Knight. I know Nolan was trying to finish his trilogy but i felt it should have been like 6 months to a year. I cant accept that a 30 something, Bruce Wayne would just drop his crusade that he spent his entire twenties preparing. That was my biggest gripe with this film. Even two or three years would've been okay. but almost an entire decade. That was really out of character for Batman."

He didn't have a choice. I guess the "real" Batman would be selfish and risk exposing the truth about Dent while destroying all the progress the city has made. Ya, that's what the "real" Batman would do. *rolls eyes*
TheYoungMan - 11/25/2012, 6:20 PM
"I wouldve perfered a resurected Ras from the lazurus pit that wanted to use Bane as his succesor instead of Bruce. But that's just me."

So you wanted the trilogy to jump the shark?
Spideyguy94 - 11/25/2012, 6:26 PM
The problem with bane in TDKR is as soon as its revealed that it was talia all along, he becomes nothing more than a glorified lackey for talia.
TheYoungMan - 11/25/2012, 6:31 PM
@Spiderguy

Wait, Talia robbed the stock exchange, broke Batman's back, and controlled the city for 5 months? I could've sworn that was Bane...
Preston - 11/25/2012, 6:38 PM

Since the main objective was to arse rape the character anyways:



Why put a muzzle on one of the most expressive faces in Hollywood? It would have been better if he was allowed to go mask-less [the mask served no purpose; no venom, etc], and use his regular voice. If you watch the movie 'Warrior' (2011), he was more Bane in that than in 'Rises'.



His performance [in the above] was a hundred times better than anything he did on 'Rises.'
TheYoungMan - 11/25/2012, 6:40 PM
@Preston You don't even know why Bane wore the mask?
Preston - 11/25/2012, 6:48 PM
@Youngman

Sting

The mask wasn't connected to anything, no tank, no wires, so I'll assume it was Bactine for his face; it sure didn't look like VENOM. That Muzzle must have cost him a great deal of pain, and the Bactine was to ease the pain.
TheYoungMan - 11/25/2012, 7:00 PM
*Sigh* A tube connects the back of his mask to his vest. It's clearly visible in most of his scenes. I'm starting to question if you even watched the movie.
Kalel219 - 11/25/2012, 7:51 PM
@johnblake

What a hypocritical article this is. Bane's look doesn't bother you but Captain America's does?

"Thats why i have no problem with different interpetations in that universe"

The MCU is a different interpetation as well!!!

JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/25/2012, 8:48 PM
@TheYoungMan: How would Bruce staying Batman put the secret he put out at risk? If anything that secret would give him an edge. Criminals would think he's willing to kill now, and be even more afraid of him. Retiring for 8 YEARS makes no sense.
SageMode - 11/25/2012, 8:52 PM
Kevin Durand for Bane in the reboot definitive Bane.



He's a pretty great actor and actually has an imposing stature (at 6' 6"). Give him some months in the gym to beef up, a more faithful Bane costume and you got it.
Jollem - 11/25/2012, 9:24 PM






TheYoungMan - 11/25/2012, 10:28 PM
@Joker I swear, it's amazing that some people still don't understand why Bruce stopped being Batman for 8 years. It's absolutely amazing. You are asking me how Batman not retiring after TDK would put the secret at risk? Are you kidding? You guys don't deserve these movies...
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/25/2012, 11:29 PM
I love how you keep saying that, and yet you don't seem to give any of your "Insight" to the table.

Well lets see, as long as he didn't y,know. Tell anyone.
And the police hunting him would just make it come full circle. The police hunted him before in Batman Begins (briefly, but they did) and Batman would again, be more feared.

But please, go on and tell us all how you are a true Batman fan because you can't get enough of Nolans work. and if we don't deserve these movies, please, take them away. I will gladly watch Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, Kevin Conroy, and Mark Hamill do it right.
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/25/2012, 11:34 PM
and of course, Arleen Sorkin, David Warner, Ron Pearlman, John Glover and many more.
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/25/2012, 11:39 PM
Wait a minute, Ron Pearlman was in BTAS? Huh. Aparently he voiced Clayface. Thats really awesome.

THE MORE YOU KNOW!
SageMode - 11/26/2012, 12:38 AM
This pure comedy.......that voice. LMAO.....


teabag - 11/26/2012, 2:42 AM
BANE5000 - 11/26/2012, 5:07 AM
IMO they should've had Bane die after Batman broke his mask in the last fight and than have Talia reveal herself in time for her to pay her respect to Bane for what he had done for her in the Pit, and maybe even use her line from the comics and tell Bane " goodbye my BELOVED ". I feel that would've been more serious and emotional a death for him instead of just getting blasted all of a sudden by the Batpod.
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 6:06 AM
@Bane5000 That's not a bad idea, but Bane getting blasted with the Batpod wasn't just used as a plot device to kill Bane and move on to Talia, it also completed Catwoman's ark. If that scene never happened, then Selina and Bruce together at the end wouldn't have been earned. We can all say "what if" this or "what if" that, but in the end you need to judge the movie for what it is, not for what you wanted it to be.
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 6:19 AM
@Joker I've said it many times on here, if Batman never retired after TDK, and just went about his business saving people and being all heroic, then the citizens would begin to question if he really killed Dent or not. Bruce Wayne had to keep up the image of Batman being a murderer. So the only thing he could do short of going out as Batman and killing people, was to have Batman disappear from the public eye. Again, this isn't rocket science.

So you tell me, what would the "real" Batman do? Would he do the selfish thing, and continue to be Batman just because HE wants to be, even though it puts the city as risk? Or would he do the responsible thing, and sacrifice his own desires for the betterment of the city?
UniBeam11 - 11/26/2012, 8:19 AM
@TheYoungMan
Actually, the selfish thing was to give up being Batman. In this aspect of heroic endeavors Batman and Spider-Man are a lot alike. Even though they dont have a spotless public image they continue doing the right thing. If you ask me, Batman going out there and still being present in the public eye would have confirmed for the public that he was a menace, he didnt stop after the murder of Harvey Dent, he kept going, therefore must be a lunatic. The fact that he disappeared after being accused of Dent's murder makes it seem like he did it on accident and receded from publicity because he knew he made a mistake, not exactly someone i would view as a villain. If I'm living in Gotham and i hear Batman is implemented in the murder of Gotham's "white Knight" then he disappears from the radar for a better part of a decade, Im thinking he either didnt mean to do it, or he offed himself for feeling so guilty, either way i dont see him as a bad guy. If he were to stick around and be spotted here and there doing "god-knows-what" then i might suspect the guy of being a heartless killer which by your argument would have been the more selfless choice.

And what would the real batman do? Well, that is sort of a silly question isnt it? But ill bite. The REAL Batman is Batman, not Bruce Wayne. One of the best parts of BB was Nolan truly put his finger on it with one of the last lines saying that Bruce Wayne was the mask, Batman was his true persona. I think we can all agree that is true, yes? Well, by that logic, suiting up as Batman is his obligation, not his enjoyment. It isnt this freeing experience everytime he dawns the cape and cowl, it is a heavy burden, but it is truly is, his very existence is a burden on him, so he does what he knows he must in order to feel a sense of self worth. Very similar to Spidey, he knows he has the power to do something about it, therefore it is his responsibility to do it. Being Batman is not a desire for him, if you think it is then you really have no idea who Batman really is. Not being Batman is sort of like the equivalent of a very very very Homosexual man staying in the closet, not being true to themselves. Batman is who he is, not Bruce Wayne, telling him to be Bruce Wayne and not Batman is like telling a Dog to be a vegetarian, Water not to be wet. But even so, it is not a selfish desire to be Batman which drives him, it is his duty, whether anyone else thinks it right or wrong, he knows it is his Duty. Many heroes have been implicated in someone's death but they keep going because it was the right thing to do. If the public dictated who put on a costume and who didnt we wouldnt have people like Spider-Man, the Punisher, the X-men etc. Your argument doesnt scratch the surface of who Batman truly is.
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 8:40 AM
@UniBeam11

"If he were to stick around and be spotted here and there doing "god-knows-what" then i might suspect the guy of being a heartless killer which by your argument would have been the more selfless choice."

And by "god-knows-what" you mean stopping crimes and being a hero, right? Yeah, that'll show 'em how much of a heartless killer he is. *rolls eyes*

It doesn't matter what he "wants" to do. Bruce Wayne has enough self-discipline to do the right thing. You're telling me that the "real Batman" would put the city's progress at risk because he can't help himself from being Batman? That's what you're saying.
UniBeam11 - 11/26/2012, 9:00 AM
@TheYoungMan

You really think that the general public knows he is out there stopping crime? No. Batman catches a bad wrap from everyone from the news to the police, you really think they are going to portray him as a hero? Especially after being accused of Dent's murder? He is accused of murdering Gotham's one hope to clean up the city and he is out there still doing his little crusades makes him look like he has no remorse for what he did (or what everyone thinks he did). If he hangs up the cape he is basically apologizing, what kind of villain is that? Most people in Nolan's universe didnt see Batman as a hero in the first two films, check your facts.

And as for the second part of your argument (attempt to argue my points) Batman doesnt want to be batman, he has to be. How is he putting the city's progress at risk by staying true to the bat persona? If anything it gives the city a common threat to unite behind and take down for murdering their one hope at a better city. That would have been the strongest choice and most compelling. Because then not only is he stopping crime while being made to look like a bad guy through the media, but then you can have the citizens of Gotham rally behind a cause that unites them, take down the Bat, he is a menace. Instead he hangs it all up and takes the coward's way out, but i guess we all know that's just how Bruce likes to operate though...Your thought process is troubling if you cant do anything more than scratch the surface of what makes a good story, hope you're the one writing our CBMs someday so you can come on here and have real fans tear your scripts apart because you dont know what makes the most compelling story. I hope you never have a job where it is your duty to analyze character
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 9:44 AM
@Uni- That... was poetry sir.
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 10:28 AM
@Uni

"How is he putting the city's progress at risk by staying true to the bat persona?"

Aaaaaand back to square one where JokerFan got lost. Already explained it. If you don't accept the reasoning then that's on you. I don't understand why all the self-proclaimed "true Batman fans" would want the "real Batman" to be selfish and irresponsible because "he can't NOT be Batman". Bruce will do whatever it takes to help Gotham, even if it means retiring as Batman. He has a [frick]ing brain, he can stop being Batman, as long as it's for the greater good. *rolls eyes*
jessepostal - 11/26/2012, 10:29 AM
"*Sigh* A tube connects the back of his mask to his vest. It's clearly visible in most of his scenes. I'm starting to question if you even watched the movie."

You might wanna rewatch the movie yourself, there's no tube, especially when he's not wearing the vest in the beginning, or the underground scene when he has his shirt off.


TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 10:31 AM
@jessepostal

Here, i'll post a link to a nice clear picture of it: http://www.freeimgsharing.com/images/42524805468533306919.png

JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 10:34 AM
@TheYoungMan- Just cause you aren't willing to read his comment, doesn't mean he didn't address it.

And he's right, I hope you get into the buisiness just so you can be made into a joke.
jessepostal - 11/26/2012, 10:52 AM
@theyoungman, Idk what that is but its not attached to his vest, that is the only scene that there is something on his neck, they show multiple back shots of bane, including a closeup when he chokes Dagget, and there is nothing there, all you see is where his mask ends and than his neck

http://batman-news.com/2012/11/08/new-hq-bane-still-photo-from-the-dark-knight-rises/

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9bt044GkT1rbegfeo1_500.jpg
jessepostal - 11/26/2012, 11:06 AM
@theyoung, 2 more things

directly after the image you posted in the movie they show bane from behind, and whatever that is not there in the behind shot.

and say it was a tube for him to breathe, i wouldnt put my life in the hands of a tube thats as thin as a rubber band
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 11:22 AM
if that tube was supposedly for him to breath through, thats like trying to snorkel and breathing through a straw.
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 11:46 AM
@jessepostal

"and say it was a tube for him to breathe"

No, the tube in the back of his mask supplies gas anesthetic that goes through to the front of his mask and he breathes it like a constant inhaler. But he gets oxygen as well because the mouth area of the mask is exposed to the air. So he just breathes normally. Not through that little tube.
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 11:48 AM
So... where is he getting the anesthetic? Cause it sure isn't connected to his vest. :P
jessepostal - 11/26/2012, 12:04 PM
haha what does it matter when there is no tube?? Let it go, you were wrong, life moves on
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 12:05 PM
Either his mask can hold a certain amount of gas for a certain amount of time by itself, or there was more under his shirt than meets the eye. I don't know which because it's never expanded upon in the movie because it's not really that important for the audience to know. But i do wish i knew what the deal is with that huge scar going down his neck and back. Probably the source of the pain that he needs to repress.
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 12:07 PM
Are you talking to me, jesse?
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 12:20 PM
Yes of course, a very important plot device such as the mask that fuels his strength and protects him from constant pain, isn't really important enough to have a 30 second explanation somewhere in the movie.

Joellinator - 11/26/2012, 12:22 PM
I loved Bane in this movie he was a complete badass! I wish Bane was the one who put Batman in retirement for a year or two, not Batman left because of the city hating him.
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 12:25 PM
Is it just me or has Batman lost a lot of self esteem lately? It's ok Batman, just because no one in Gotham likes you doesn't mean you should hide!
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 12:25 PM
:P
TheYoungMan - 11/26/2012, 12:30 PM
It's really not important to know the insignificant details. "The mask holds the pain at bay" was just fine.
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/26/2012, 3:31 PM
Yes of course, because when it's told that this mask gives him both anesthetic and makes it so he can show feats of strength normal humans can't, I just ignore the fact that it hasn't been touched on at all, or explained. It's so insignificant that it plays a crucial part of the climax.

Oh wait.

That means it's not insignificant, that means it's important, and important part of the story that needs clarifying of it's importance.
Kalel219 - 11/26/2012, 5:30 PM
JokerFanHahaHA has a point. You can't say something is important then not important :/
UniBeam11 - 11/26/2012, 7:58 PM
@JokerFan
thank you good sir. I dont know how "theyoungman" doesnt understand clear logic and reasoning when it is served up to him on a silver platter but oh well. I love how he dissected one part of my comment and used that for the sole basis of his argument as to why i am wrong. Which i wasnt if he were to actually comprehend what was being said, but life goes on. Whaddya know?

@TheYoungMan
Bruce doesnt give up being Batman for the greater good because it truly isnt for the greater good which you would understand if you bothered to read my last comment. He has a brain and if you had a brain you would see why it would make more sense for him to keep being batman for the greater good. I.E. continuing to be Batman does not tarnish Dent's name and reputation.
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