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The Problem with the Nolan Trilogy...From a big fan

The Problem with the Nolan Trilogy...From a big fan

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By Koonel - 11/27/2012
Let me start this editorial by saying that I am a huge fan of this trilogy. I think that each installment is brilliant, and an example of how to make a great film.

In my opinion, here is what was missing: we needed this to be an anthology, not a trilogy. The Dark Knight was the definitive Batman film for me. It teased that Batman and the Joker will be squaring off toe-to-toe for years, it finally put Gordon in the commissioner role, and had so much going on that made it great.

So then we head to The Dark Knight Rises, and he just quit? A third film with any villain, preferably Riddler or a return of Two-Face, would have provided a greater exposition to lead to the fourth film. All in all, Bruce was Batman for maybe 2 years. That's not long enough to believe that he had been worn down the way he was in TDKR. I know he was out every night "working," but he needed that fourth film to really get the feel that he had been Batman for a long time.

TDKR was a great film in my opinion, and it had a great ending. I personally would have liked to see one more outing for this version of the Batman. What do you think? Sound off.
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JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/27/2012, 8:59 AM
So... to you, the problem with the Nolan trilogy is theres not enough movies? Really? xD

Thats like someone saying "You know what my problem is? I just care too much!"
GoILL - 11/27/2012, 9:31 AM
Could have put this in the comment section on one of the numerous articles posted about these films dude.
Koonel - 11/27/2012, 9:59 AM
There's plenty of stupid articles on here to say great or terrible something is, whether it's a real review or not. I offered a different perspective on what I would have liked to see different. What would the original Star Wars trilogy be without Empire? We would have missed the heroes journey. I just felt we needed to see him as Batman a little longer that 1-2 years to fully appreciate his sendoff. I still think it's a great series.
marvel72 - 11/27/2012, 10:25 AM
the problem with the dark knight trilogy is.......

the dark knight rises.
LehnsienLaw - 11/27/2012, 1:11 PM
thank you marvel72 and TDKR was the dick in ass with what, 15 minutes of fight time and Bane getting killed by Catwoman? NO. JUST [frick]ING NO. MAKE A BATMAN MOVIE WITH REAL [frick]ING VILLAINS. LIKE ARKHAM CITY
dezdigi - 11/27/2012, 2:37 PM
I can't believe we're still talking about this.
Bring on 2013.
Tainted87 - 11/27/2012, 5:46 PM
This is getting pretty old. I mean, I don't even want to type a paragraph response to this. I pretty much agree, but what are we going to do about it?
MrReese - 11/28/2012, 5:24 AM
^ this
Tainted87 - 11/28/2012, 12:17 PM
I actually agree with TheYoungMan for once... wow.
JokerFanHAhaHA - 11/28/2012, 3:49 PM
Die as a Trilogy.
Or live long enough to see yourself become someone like Schumakers bitch.
WingDingaLing - 11/28/2012, 6:59 PM
I actually kinda agree with you to an extent. Bruce wouldn't quit so easily like that. He has an obsessive disorder with crime. He wants to get rid of it till Gotham becomes his idea of a utopia. We all know that will never happen, especially in Gotham. Which means that Bruce is bound to be Batman forever. (No not the campy Shumacher film). I really liked The Dark Knight Rises and I'm glad it ended as trilogy but I think if it went any further; the movies would just be a drag and the stories for each film could end up being shallow and the only thing different would probably be a different villain for every film. I'm decently satisfied with the ending, but I wish it ended with Bruce being Batman for as long as he lives, because crime will exist forever in Gotham.
fangz - 11/29/2012, 12:57 AM
i think it brings up a larger issue with comic book movies, which is this seeming need for trilogies and bloated overarching themes. and this ends up rushing the heros thru disingenuine 'character developments' and constant major breakthroughs in their powers or lifeviews.
i mean, it's understandable why, cuz u only make a movie like one of these once every three years or so, so they want to make them count. and then there's also been a trend for a while for people to recognize comic books as a deeper art form than what they were once conceived as.so no one wants to just do something simplistic like Penguin commits crimes, Batman finds out about him and chases him. they fight. Penguin escapes. Batman figures something out, then they fight again and Penguin loses.
so i don't mean that they should be like that, but it'd be nice to see more standalone films where the drama and tension is actually coming from elements written into the hero clashing with elements written into the villain(s). instead of some external chain of events. Dark Knight was a great example of what i mean by that. at least the Joker/Batman part of it. Two Face was kinda borderline what i'm talking against here, but the movie was great enough to get away with it.
and TDKR is an example of the opposite. it could've been way better if it was more like a next episode type of film. and they'd left out all the stuff that seemed to me to mostly be shoehorned in to make some kind of full circle for the trilogy. Bane, Talia and Cat Woman all seemed, to a large degree, to be stand ins for some ideological or thematic point that the film's makers were desperate was made clear to us.
so i think it'd be great to have had more Batman films where he's pretty much just Batman the whole movie and where he leaves the movie in the same place that he began it at. but that along the way, interesting things were still brought up about the characters.
Raimi's Spider-Man movies can be looked at as following a similar pattern. cuz the 2nd one was a pretty great standalone Spidey film. and that second movie is where Raimi, and i think Nolan too should have turned it over to someone else. both TDKR and Spider-Man 3 feel overthought out and unnatural to me. for way different reasons, but both coming down to that the directors weren't entirely invested in the character any longer, but still felt they wanted to make some point or acheive some abstract 'epicness'.
thejon93rd - 11/30/2012, 8:20 PM
A part of me was wishing (and hoping) that they cast JGL as Joker when I first heard that he was announced, or maybe even bring back Aaron Eckhart as Two-Face, but neither ended up happening. Still, I thought that The Dark Knight Rises was a brilliant film and it's by far my favourite of the trilogy. The Dark Knight left me feeling cold and disconnected on repeat viewings, but this one, at an even longer runtime, had me more entertained throughout. What it lacked in the mind-blowing chase scenes from The Dark Knight, it built on from that movie with outstanding cinematography (the best of the year that I've seen so far, by far), great action (every fight between Batman and Bane ranks as the best fight scenes of the trilogy by a mile) and a strong pace throughout. Where I liked a lot of things about The Dark Knight, I found myself loving Rises for the fact that it made me care about Batman again and it made me realize that ("Yes") I will miss the series, though I do hope that a new filmmaker can take over the reigns and make it his/her own beast (while being faithful, of course).
PeterDarker121 - 12/2/2012, 3:11 PM
Good points, @Fangz. Especially your theories on why both SPM3 and TDKR felt comparatively passionless to their respective predecessor...under Raimi and Nolan, the third entries were really unnecessary by that point.
blackster - 12/4/2012, 2:15 AM
actually this is a legit problem. albeit not a big one. but a problem nonetheless.

tdkr expected us to buy that bruce has been through hell and back several times, and for so long that it has permanently destroyed him from the very core of his being.

and he hadn't really.

killed a bit of the punch that should've had.

someone once said on this website that he/she felt like there were several chapters in bruce's life that they hadn't seen yet, before this one to end it all came along.

and i agree.

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