EDITORIAL: The Problem with Captain America

" I mean if were assuming that he is as strong as 616 captain america he needs to be belivable that he could punch mark ruffalos Hulk in the face and send him crashing into a building"

Since when could cap punch Hulk through a building??

Also, the image of cap you posted as an example of how "big" he should look is just not possible...

..... Captain America can't punch Hulk through a building. That makes no sense, and his size is fine, not everything would transition well from comic to film. Especially exagerated muscles.

Believe me you are in the minority of people who think cap wasn't portrayed well in CA:TFA and The Avengers. Captain America cannot punch hulk through a building, spider-man can't even do that and spider-man is stronger than cap. Cap beats people through strategy and observation of his oppenets fighting styles, almost like a boxer, that's why in civil war him and spidey fought to a tie.

@DeanVanHalen I agree

No way in hell can Cap punch Hulk through a building. He cant hang with almost any of those people. Iron Man kicked the ever loving shit out of Cap in Civil War. It wasnt even close.

Thanos, thor, hulk...the best Cap can hope for is to evade them, or slow them down in a fight, but nothing he can do by himself would really cause any of them any pain or damage.

Like someone else said, im not trying to be a dick, but you need to read some Cap comics.

Cap really doesnt have any super powers. His strength, speed, agility, and stamina are all raised to the peak performance of a normal person.

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the only problem with captain america TFA was that once he finally became captain america all the fights were cheesy montages. hardly any action.

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Not a fan of caps portrayal. Not cause of Evans, the writers didn't make him interesting enough, everything about him was boring, from fight style to his appearance. I would of liked a buffer cap with a more badass attitude.

@John Blake

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CA:TFA and Batman: Begins --- are both ORIGIN movies. It wasn't 'till The Dark Knight that we saw BATMAN in all his glory. So, you make a good point that Cap could have been better fleshed out if he had a second outing; however, he shouldn't be played by someone like Tyler Mane or ended up being disappointing in Avengers. I think that the CAP movie had a ton of heart:



I think the movie showed us that CAP is a role model.

While its true they didn't use Cap to his fullest potential, I can't agree with you on any of your other points, you should know by now the actors would never be as big as their comicbook counterparts in these movies, and im fine with that it just makes more sense.

I think the real question is how they made a 5'9 RDJ (in the Ironman suit) taller than a 6'4 Hemsworth in the movie... com'on, the Ironman suit can't stretch your body

Hold on now i never said that i didnt like Cap in those movies, i said they could have done him way better and those are ways they could have done it. Now as some one who reads comics can all say that Captain america has done some pretty unbelivable things. I see a lot of people say that Cap cant punch Hulk through a building. While that is true based on his stats, explain to me how he should be able to take a punch from the hulk. He shouldnt, doesnt make how strong a human is, even the strongest olympic wrestler or boxer couldnt eat slap from the hulk let a lone an enraged barrage. i dont care has strong or fast or tactical you are. thats like putting Anderson Silva in the ring with a Rhino. Hed die in 10 seconds. But for the sake of story telling i dont think anyone here wouldnt think that would be awesome if cap punched hulk. He did fight loki, whos 10 times stronger than him, and took punches and kicks.

HalloweenJack- grow up dude, insulting online is the stuff of 12 year olds.

Tea Bag- Yea i think batman and punisher were the right size. thor wasnt and should have been larger. But he was more like ultimate thor though so i let that go. Im a big fan of Captain america, so im sure you can say that Captain America although a good movie felt more like a set up for the Avengers and not an original movie like Ironman1. they straight blasted through the story. shouldve seen more villans, more ww2, i loved the fan nods, but it felt like something was missing.

Splenda- Ultimate cap rocks what you talkin about.

Coolant Tek- no it cant stretch your body but if you look in the comics, and on the film the iron man suit always makes it wearers taller. So thats not really an issue

John@ Cap there in that pic looks the same size as Batman and Punisher when you look at the comics..so whats good for one should be good for the rest

Different artists have their own take on these characters but they all stick to a certain body size for the main characters

take Jim Lee for example...



As for Cap being able to take a hit from Hulk..hell Normal humans have taken hits from Hulk..but hey that's comics..otherwise there would be heads popping off everywhere and this thrown against the wall thing wouldn't happen

I agree the second half of the movie was weaker then the first...but its still a very enjoyable movie and as I said the only thing I would change is to show a lil more of what cap can do

As for Ultimates....Ultimate Cap is a bully..something Steve is not

Preston@ Cheers bud..it would be great to see DDD some more :)

Hawks@ I cant help the accent when my mouth is full of wool :P

In what way? :)

John@ Gottya well ill give it a shot...

Steve showed Widow and Hawkeye by showing the safety of the people is more important then getting a job done

Steve showed Banner he's more interested in the man rather then the monster inside

Steve inspired Tony to be selfless

Steve showed Thor he wouldn't back down and would continue the fight whilst injured like a true warrior

All these qualities in one man is enough to inspire :)

Sorry, but clearly you don't understand what makes Cap special. It's not his powers, because he doesn't really have any (he's slightly above human potential, nothing special in superhero world). Cap can't punch Hulk through a wall, or go toe to toe with Thor.

Cap is a super soldier. SOLDIER. It's not about powers or brute strength. He's a tactician. He uses strategy to defeat his opponents against the odds.

The best part of the Captain America movie was before he became Captain America. It allowed you to see why he would be perfect for that procedure. He's an inherently good person, and he's determined (he tries like 20 times to enlist in the army by different means, not to 'kill Nazis' but because he 'doesn't like bullies'. That speaks volumes.)

And as for Chris Evans' size and the picture of comic Cap you posted... I don't think Arnold Schwarzenneger ever got to that size, how would Evans do it? It looks so unrealistic, it's completely beyond belief.

Cap is by no means the strongest Avenger in terms of power, whether it's comics or movies or cartoons. In fact, Cap is probably one of the weaker Avengers. But it's his determination, his authority, his good nature... those are the leadership-qualities that Cap has in all iterations.

To moan about the actor not beefing up to the size of a house is silly.

No problem with Cap except his suit isnt snug. He provides leadership qualities that get the Avengers through countless battles. i do agree that i would like to see even more of those qualities in WS.

@ Preston

Thanks for the good words, man! Its hard to get on as much as usual between work and my 3 year old and wife. But I try to get on as much as possible.

There seems to be a lot of idiots and ignorance running rampant around here too. I never understood why someone would write articles about characters they don't know about. They're setting themselves up for people to trash them.

But whatever...

Well you would think they would have a little respect for a guy that can survive 70 years in the ice and was a hero from WWII. Whedon just had to make everything a joke. He chose comedy over character.

In what way did the characters disrespect Cap?

The conflict between Tony and Steve has been brewing since the 60's..other then that im not sure what jokes the other members were making towards him :)

I think Evans did a great job as Captain America/Steve Rogers, granted he could have been a tad bigger, but that's not really an issue, and no Cap can't push Hulk through a wall, I mean come on guys Thor had a REAL hard time bringing down Hulk in the comics, my biggest problem was this his costume in the Cap movie looked fine, but in Avengers when he got a new one, it looked like a plastic toy, but Thor was more of a disgrace than Cap (Evans was great) but they made Thor look weak and pathetic, in the comics Thor was one of THE ONLY heroes physically capable of taking down the Hulk, and they made him look weak, Hemsworth seemed tiny compared to comic book Thor, I wouldn't have cast him as Thor, but Evans did a 90% good job.

punching hulk crashing through a building? throwing thor around? lol. im surprised you didnt like that coulson wasnt web-swinging through new york.

Spidey31 really?

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