COMICS: Tom Brevoort Talks In Detail About Cyclops' Post AVENGERS VS. X-MEN Fate

COMICS: Tom Brevoort Talks In Detail About Cyclops' Post AVENGERS VS. X-MEN Fate

In the following interview, Avengers Vs. X-Men editor Tom Brevoort discusses the emergence of new mutants in the Marvel Universe and teases exactly what's next for Cyclops, Hope Summers and Magneto in "Marvel NOW!".

In an interview with Newsarama, Marvel senior vice president of publishing Tom Brevoort has talked in detail about the ending of Avengers Vs. X-Men, touching on such key points as the introduction of new mutants and the fate of characters such as Cyclops, Hope Summers and Magneto. It's particularly interesting to read his thoughts on how the downfall of Scott Summers was handled by Marvel, especially as that has left a VERY sour taste in the mouths of many fans. Be sure to click on the link at the bottom of the page to read the rest of Brevoort's comments on the final part of Avengers Vs. X-Men.

On The Reversal Of House Of M's "No More Mutants":

The X-Men had been in this status quo for long enough, and we told any number of stories within it. The idea that we could start seeing new mutants, new characters, pop up in and around — not just the X-world, but other books as well — coming from this source, was exciting to people. I think that one of the reasons that we did M-Day at the end of House of M to begin with was just the feeling that mutants had become ubiquitous. Not only were there hundreds of them, there were thousands, there were millions; there was practically a mutant around every corner. They were the only minority on the planet who seemed like a majority. In trying to address that fact, we went to the extreme of House of M, and we winnowed the number of mutants down by an astronomical number. And when you say that we "reversed" that, that's not entirely true, in that the mutants that were depowered as part of M-Day are still, so far as we know, depowered. What's happening now is that new mutants are appearing, which means a wellspring of new characters, and new people who can be heroes, villains, bystanders caught in the middle, and the original purpose of the X-Men and Xavier's dream can kind of re-assert itself again in a way it hasn't had to in seven, eight years now.

On The Reaction From Fans To How Cyclops Was Portrayed In Avengers Vs. X-Men:

To some people, the things he did, the lengths that he went to, and the choices he made, make him villainous. In every case, he did them for the right reasons, as he saw them. It really depends upon whether you think those reasons were right and justified. At the end of the day, as he sort of says to Cap, he got as good an outcome as he could possibly have wanted. All he ever wanted to do was safeguard what remained of his people until the point came when this world-changing event happened, and the mutant race was reborn — and he did it. There were casualties along the way, and that's the tragedy, and that's the burden that he's going to carry going forward. Your viewpoint on Cyclops really depends on where you stand on the choices he made. I think at the very least, if he's not a heroic figure, he's a sympathetic figure, and I wouldn't necessarily even rule out that he's a heroic figure.

On Where Fans Should Expect To Find Cyclops Next:

Actually, most directly in AvX: Consequences. But you'll also see a little bit of him in Uncanny Avengers; you'll see him in All-New X-Men. He's not by any means a character that we're done with. There's a lot of Cyclops stuff coming in the weeks and months ahead. His story is in no way, shape or form over. In the case of Scott Summers, [we're] not at all finished with him, and certainly his place in the world now, I think, is just as interesting, in a different way, as it was when we began.

On What Awaits Hope Summers In Marvel NOW!:

You will see her in AvX: Consequences as well. Her story, too, is not quite done. She's in a very interesting place as well, in that pretty much from the moment that she was born, she lived under the specter of this great destiny that everybody said was coming for her. Now, that moment has passed. She's suddenly looking, very literally at the end of AvX #12, at pages that haven't been written. This thing that she has prepared for her entire life has come and gone, and it was done well and properly in the end, and now, infinite possibilities await her of one sort of another, and we'll see where that road begins to take her in Consequences, and then later on in other Marvel NOW! stuff that we will tell you about at some point.

On Why The End Of Avengers Vs. X-Men #12 Featured Magneto On The Run:

He was one of the last people standing among the Phoenix Five, even to the end. In that last fight, he called Professor X in, he helped the Avengers get in, but before that he was really the right-hand man of Cyclops, and by extension the Phoenix Five, all through the course of AvX. That'll become a little clearer as we get into Consequences and we get into All-New X-Men and the newer books that are coming out. Some of that is simply, "He's Magneto." For all that he's been walking a penitent-at-best road these last few years, that's really in context to the X-Men. I don't know that the rest of the world has accepted him as a nice, good guy, and now that the X-Men are no longer there in that way, there is no Utopia for him to chill out on without having a problem. He's back to being Magneto out in the world on his own, or out in the world in concert with the other mutants that he had these strong alliances with.

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Asterisk - 10/4/2012, 4:53 PM
I'm just pissed that all 3 of my favorite X-Men (Cyclops, Colossus, and Magneto) are either imprisoned or on the run at the moment.
CaptainObvious - 10/4/2012, 4:58 PM
Why does Marvel insist on their characters doing things completely out of character? Like Tony Stark becoming a total douchebag unlikable tool. Or Cap going against the US government. Or Spidey acting selfish and childish and choosing his aunt over his wife. Or now Scott being treated like a supervillain when his other team members have killed hundreds of people.
Shadowelfz - 10/4/2012, 5:27 PM
Damn straight Captain Obvious.

I can see the Cap going against the government since he represents what the US is supposed to stand for and not necessarily itself. Tony, however, became a govt stooge is bullshit. Mr. Fantastic chosing an equation over human rights is bullshit. Bishop siding with those who want to 'register' mutants is bullshit. Spiderman revealing his identity and risking the life of his aunt and wife is bullshit... and that's just Civil War! Drastic character changes to make an ill-concieved arch work.

As far as I am concerned they ruined these characters and now Cyclops too. Unless they do a true reset I cant see myself wanting to read anything Marvel anymore.
redsonjustin - 10/4/2012, 5:34 PM
I think this whole event was just a way to get people to hate Cyclops and the rest of the X-Men.
exodus147 - 10/4/2012, 5:37 PM
Pissed Cyke is being treated the way he is. Excited to see how he gets free. A couple cool ideas. Cyclops leads a new team of Thunderbolts looking to reclaim his good name. Exodus sets Cyclops free and he takes over Magneto's Acolytes.
ArtisticErotic - 10/4/2012, 5:39 PM
Scott summers be an an asshole.

But, Tom Brevoort takes the cake.
EggsBenedict - 10/4/2012, 5:53 PM
AvX was terrible. Everyone is talking about how Cyclops was written so out of character and treated badly. He was treated badly, but everyone seemed out of character, including Captain America. No one seemed to draw logical conclusions, and the terrible plot reflected the illogical plot developments. Cap, written at his worst is a one-dimensional patriot, him in AvX was even worse. The writing in AvX was beyond bad all around.
Grimfoe - 10/4/2012, 5:54 PM
That's crazy. Summers was a complete ahole. I thought it was pretty consistent with his character, though. He's always been a little bit of an arrogant pris.
Deadpool101 - 10/4/2012, 5:56 PM
my god character development we must burn marvel down since things changed a little . . . . .sarcasm
beane2099 - 10/4/2012, 6:44 PM
It isn't about the choices Scott made within the framework of that world. It's the actual story mechanics. The way they wrote Scott (and everyone else for that matter) in this story would be akin to writing Captain Ahab suddenly giving up his quest for Moby Dick and opening up a muffin shop.

I don't care that it wasn't like my stories from long ago. Don't care about that. But if I were to judge this on it's own merits as a story unto itself, the motivations of these characters don't match their actions. "Oh well, it's about making hard choices when your faced with he extinction of your race." That doesn't account for why Captain America and all the non mutants are acting strangely out of character too. The fact is, you wanted to tell a specific story that would drive sales and didn't care if the characters themselves matched the beats of that story. Captain America and Cyclops fight. That's it.

And when you DO go with history and see things like the fact that Cyclops' daughter was once a host for the Phoenix and she's still around but isn't used (except in a cameo) in a story where the Phoenix returns, well that's just lazy writing. And I agree, almost every Marvel character has gone on a mind controlled murderous rampage at one time or another, but suddenly Cyclops is a criminal for it whereas everyone else is cool (Looking at you Wolverine).
ATrueHero1987 - 10/4/2012, 6:47 PM
@CaptainObvious Preach!

I'm glad i'm not the only one that felt that Marvel shitted on Cyclops.
storyteller - 10/4/2012, 7:24 PM
Honestly I have not seen Scott as the bad guy in all this mess until he clearly lost all control. To me he's the only guy willing to say that the situation sucks and is going to get worst if we don't tackle this crap head on. Wolverine builds a school while still running his damn X-force. The school has been attack regularly since it reopened.

Scott was sick and tired of being a target.

Captain America mishandled the situation but having an armed force on the doorstep of utopia.

Everyone put Cyke into a corner and ran away when he couldn't pretend things were good when they weren't.

At the end of the day though I think some of the characterization made sense. But if your just going to stick to how the characters were in the 80's and 90's, then whats the point of storytelling.

No one can be the hero all the time with so many damn heroes.
OtakuPapi - 10/4/2012, 7:53 PM
Cyke was the end of the day his actions got what he wanted.What was best for mutantkind at the expense of his self and Professor X. I wish Avx wouldve been shorter or went into more details with the other books. I hate how they have painted Cyke in Avx, i was never a fan of his until Avx,he did what very little would do for his cause and accepted the blame.Eventually Cap will need him and he will be released or Cable will break him out. The Phoenix will be back though... i know that much. A brave new world, i think Marvel Now is going to be more like the Ultimate Universe
BlueDemon - 10/4/2012, 8:26 PM
@Gambit89- I completely agree. You took the words right out of my mouth

I miss these days
theInvincibleMexiMan - 10/4/2012, 8:54 PM
AvX 12 left me pretty confused. Why did they let Kubert take over? why are they doing what Cyclops had originally planned in the first place? Why is his idea all of the sudden a good idea when it was bad in the first place? Why was Cap so out of character?

it was all so confusing, but I really wanted it to make sense. I can just hope that Uncanny Avengers is good, because AvX 12 left me with a bitter taste in my mouth.
tojphantom - 10/4/2012, 8:57 PM

He's called Captain America not Captain Government. I would say he respects the government, but if he thought they were wrong and going against what America stands for he would fight them.

I do agree with your other points though.
weaponx123 - 10/4/2012, 9:09 PM
Alex Summers is the best of the Summers clan....forget Cyclops Marvel screwed him over bad! At least they didnt mess with Havok...other than making his retro costume look horrible.....damn Marvel sucks right now! Idie comics are the way to go right now. Everyone should read The Darkness, Think Tank, Invincible, and Americas Got Powers!
Temple - 10/4/2012, 10:08 PM
Theres that one simple word, thats being used in AvX and even in real life itself. Its called progression. Nobody stays the same forever, we move forward and learn more. If anyone wants to go to comicbook resoures, they did an interview with jason aaron. He's aware of what he's doing. It also makes sense if you think about it, considering marvel wants to move forward with its universe. As a result of course, its already been stated before that this event is gunna affect cyclops and the rest of the marvel U personalities. Now when I read AvX 12, it all made sense. It equals to new characters, worlds, stories and possibly new events. Marvel Now. So I'm satisfied, and still believe scott summers is the same he's always been. He still wants to protect and fight for his mutant kind. He progressed in character and just grown some of you kids should be doing.

xcrementus - 10/4/2012, 10:33 PM
Wow, i'm the only guy on the planet that loved AVX. hmm.
BlueDemon - 10/4/2012, 10:47 PM
@MadDrifter-I understand logical progression. I'm up for that, but to have characters act in a completely different way is an illogical progression. Imagine having Batman progress into a vigilante like the Punisher. Have Superman just take over the world and be the all powerful ruler. Make the Punisher not kill anymore. Have The Hulk be happy. Make Thanos a peace loving hippie lol Have Tony Stark settle down and have kids. Make Deadpool humorless. It wouldn't go with the characters that we've all known for years. Having Cyclops act in the way he did in AVX and Schism is more like a WHAT IF or an ELSEWORLDS story.
Everything seemed forced, rushed and very sloppy...let's hope Marvel now is handled differently.
clonekiller72 - 10/4/2012, 10:48 PM
To those who comment without reading the books:
Cyclops progression into a Magneto type villain has been a long running character subplot for 4-5 years. It's been subtle at times, blunt in others, but a consistent decline regardless. Nothing Cyclops did was out-of-character besides being the wrong person to wield the phoenix.

I actually like the tragedy of his fall and the killing of his father figure.

Was AvX perfect, no. Maybe it's resolution was a bit predictable, but the end goal of mutant-marvel integration should be worth it. Joe Quesada was never much of a Mutant fan, and was tasked with reviving a flaccid Avengers-verse while mutants were swept to the side.(I'm sure hollywood rights had something to do with this) Axel Alonso the new EiC is an X-fan and is Pushing for this integration of "properties".

I'm anxious to see it.
Jefferys - 10/4/2012, 11:23 PM
No one else find it funny that Cyclops is turning into a Magneto character while Magneto turns into a Cyclops character. No? Just me… oh.

But before MARVEL do anything great with their characters, can they at least get their costumes right. Some costumes look real iffy. I mean real iffy (yes Captain America we're all looking at you).
siggisuperman - 10/5/2012, 1:27 AM
You guys are incredible a few week back it's "The art on this is terrible" Now it's "Why did they change the Artist?"

All I can say, reading all main events, starting at house of M and up to AvX, the characters do not seem out of character for me. They are just scared shitless of the Pheonix
lokibane2012 - 10/5/2012, 3:47 AM

There is a major difference between character development and character derailment. Learn it before you yap, dumb[frick].
BlanketMan - 10/5/2012, 5:03 AM
I've learned to treat pretty much every story out of Marvel since the mid-90s as licensed fan fiction. Their core characters only vaguely resemble their Lee/Kirby counterparts. It doesn't pay to get upset over it. If you want to read Cyclops acting like Cyclops, go back and peruse the X-comics from the 60s through the 80s. THAT was Scott Summers, as originally intended by his creators. Today's Cyclops may share his name and superpowers, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. The stories can still be enjoyable, especially if you put aside the "THAT'S not how the REAL Summers would act!" vitriol.
kirynthemighty - 10/5/2012, 6:30 AM
character development and progression people. Things happen that change characters. I have read literally everything from the x-men and avengers up through current and its not out of character. People change through events. Its character developement. Buffy ending up with Spike, to point at a person that everyone now loves. Yes in the beginning it wasn't even thought of as possible, but it progressed there and is a great arch is that series. There are so many people that are so afraid of change its rediculous and you guys just sit and rant over it. Guess what....STOP READING THE BOOKS THEN! God forbid any one of you read GOT, you guys would shit your pants when someone died or jump out a window. Its a story, read it or don't ....just quit bitching.
xcrementus - 10/5/2012, 6:44 AM
character derailment IS character progression...just progression that you don't like or agree with.
The change in Summers was reasonable, and gradual over the last 8 years. we ALL saw it coming, and just cus people want him to be boy-scout Scott and save the day, doesn't mean that the story was bad.
As someone who's read everything from 61-76, and 2004 onwards, this Scott Summers still made sense to me, and I got a thrill out of how it all ended up.

For the record, I also enjoyed the hell out of Fear Itself, which everybody poops on. Cus the concept behind it was solid, the art was incredible, I love Fraction's work, and all the big 3 characters had a great arc (Thor sacrificing himself, Cap becoming Cap again, Iron Man losing his resolve and getting drunk).
Yes the outward concept was "hey lets give these characters hammers."
But you know what? who out there HASN'T thought of how cool it would be seeing Hulk and Thing with a hammer each!!

I'm so tired of feeling like I'm the only one HAPPY with Marvel and their books, cus the majority of them are damn solid.
fortycals - 10/5/2012, 6:56 AM
After reading #12 it amazes me that the avengers aren't the one getting locked up. As pointed out by others, every bad thing that has happened was a direct result of something they did. They started an international incident. Broke up the pheonix. Then to solve it they let happen what they should have let happen in the first place. It's just bad, and proves Wonderman right. The avengers cause more problems than they solve lately.
Rothwilder - 10/5/2012, 7:04 AM
Could all be a conspiracy to drive down the Xmen popularity so that the movies bomb and Marvel can rebuy them :)
xcrementus - 10/5/2012, 7:05 AM
@equinox: just cus i haven't read the entire of the Claremont run (which i am, slowly) doesn't mean i don't KNOW who Scott Summers is. Or who the characters are. So there's no need to condescend, considering i've read hundreds upon hundreds of books featuring those characters.
Lee/Thomas/Claremont's Cyclops was a boy-scout. Whedon, Fraction and Gillen's Cyclops was also boy-scout, forced into a high-pressure leadership over his entire race, in the face of extinction as they died one by one. I don't see any contradiction here. He did what he had to do, and slipped along the way. That's life. not "derailment".
xcrementus - 10/5/2012, 7:06 AM
@Rothwilder: if anything, it'll increase their popularity. "UNCANNY" Avengers, remember? Cannonball and Sunspot on the Avengers, Havok leading a team, isn't that all beneficial to XMen exposure as a whole?
AlcoholicA - 10/5/2012, 7:15 AM
Shit Story, Cyke's character got raped. And I"m not talking about 90's Scott, I'm talking about Scott right up to the point where AvX started.

The X-Men were traitors.

Many characters (including Avengers) were completely out of character.

Lot of actions and characters didn't make sense.
AlcoholicA - 10/5/2012, 7:19 AM
Cyke was in COMPLETE control and making the world better when all the X-Men up and decided to bail on his ass.

Their reasons were for the things that the other P5 were doing without Cyke's knowledge, yet they said "Scott's losing it"

Cap provoked the entire damn thing, and Tony kept secrets that were pretty damn important.

The idea of Cyke becoming a bad guy is pretty cool, but the way they did it sucked, made no sense, and was lazy.
fortycals - 10/5/2012, 7:25 AM
I kinda agree that, with cyke atleast, it has been character progression. Its been going on for years. With everything that happened to Cyke over the years you cant expect him to be the same as he was when he was created. If your wife died multiple times, your race nearly wiped out, you were force to be leader of whats left of said race, you get some hope that your race will make a come back, just to have people who you thought were your friends try to stop you, yeah that'll change you.
kirynthemighty - 10/5/2012, 7:30 AM
@AlcoholicA im wondering if you actually even read the books at all. He did lose it. Everything was ordered through scott.

@Equinox you're a jack ass. I wasn't comparing the story lines. I was simply stating the fact that people are getting all attached to characters and pissing and whining when they change. If you do that in GOT and you don't understand story, then god forbid you can handle a single character death. I have read all of GOT and if you have then you know there is change in the characters that in the beginning wouldn't have even thought possible in the beginning of the series (character developement). My point is if you don't like what you're reading...stop reading it and shut up and quit sounding like my 4 year old son crying about it.
fortycals - 10/5/2012, 7:33 AM
I still think the story was weak though. The xmen events have been so good recently. Messiah complex, Messiah war, and second coming were really good imo. To have it all come to a end in this event sucked.
xcrementus - 10/5/2012, 7:38 AM
@fortycats: exactly, man. Specially when you see a schoolbus full of children explode in your frontyard from mutant-hating psychopaths. His militaristic stance is totally well-founded. He's not Magneto, he still CARES about humans, but he puts protecting the precious few mutant lives first.
And although he was making the world "better", he did it at the expense of the UN and pretty much any individual in the world. A benign dictator is still a dictator, unfortunately. Absolute power corrupts.

Looking back, faith was such a big part of this story. Faith in Hope/Cable made Cyclops take the big gambles to let the Phoenix arrive.
Faith in Hope also let Cap change his mind about her, desperately hoping that she was ready to control it when others failed.
Iron Man let a plan unfold via prophecy instead of tech, which im sure he wouldn't wanna do anytime soon.
Faith in her own kind put Storm against her husband.
and faith in HERSELF made Rogue see the the writing on the wall, and trust her conscience by defecting.
AlcoholicA - 10/5/2012, 7:41 AM

I'm wondering if YOU actually read the books? Did Namor destroy Wakanda via Scott's orders? Read again my friend...

He was trying to do good, but the Avengers kept provoking and provoking until they finally pissed him off and made him "mad" or "out of control". He wasn't that way for the first TEN AND THREE QUARTER ISSUES even though Cap and the Avengers were poking him the ENTIRE time. I've already gone into such great detail with separate points in previous articles that I"m not doing it again, but
AlcoholicA - 10/5/2012, 7:47 AM
Like ive said before and again. Make Cyke a bad guy? fine. could be EPIC, this was not.

Have characters change? Fine, could be EPIC, just was just weird and made little sense.

Quit Reading? Wouldn't know if i liked it if I didn't read it first. I have invested so much into everything Marvel From M-Day on through all the other stories supposedly leading up to this moment (Messiah, second coming, etc), was just hoping for a good payoff and didn't get it.

Am I allowed to be disappointed with it? YEP and SCREW anyone else who feels differently.
lokibane2012 - 10/5/2012, 8:32 AM
"Scott Summers developed"

is not a defense. It is just something that happened. And what happened was complete shit.
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