EDITORIAL: The Raging Fanboy Mind

EDITORIAL: The Raging Fanboy Mind

Are some of us ruining movies for ourselves and others? Are we getting too defensive and offending others in the process? I try to provide an insight on an issue plaguing the internet.

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By GoodGuy - 10/26/2012
In, the internet, we are all connected. Through websites like ComicBookMovie, we are given the privilege of instant gratification for the latest updates on the superhero mediums we love, and we essentially become connected as community of people who all love (and often grew up with) the superhero genre. Freedom of speech allows us to freely express our opinions and disposition on things. However, there are those people - who you'd often refer to as "raging fanboys" - who are threats to our personal expression and our liking for certain movies.

As a "casual" visitor to the website, it may come across that I have a limited frame of reference on the issue. While this may be true, this issue is not limited to only ComicBookMovie.com. In fact, we see its prevalence on other websites such as IGN and SuperHeroHype and therefore all aware of it. As long as there are websites where people can share there thoughts, there will always be those raging "fanboys" who will abuse their freedom of speech by either :

A) Excessively nitpicking every possible aspect of a movie and vulgarly troll how "shitty" a movie is
or
B) Being overly defensive of a movie and ignorantly disregarding any opposing opinion (sometimes to the extent of personal offense)





As mentioned above, the first of the two dominant forces involved in the detriment of respectful interaction/expression on websites, are the trolls who nitpick every aspect of a movie. These are the people who will base their judgements based on semi-obscure stills from a movie, or superficial assumptions that have no relation to what will make a movie enjoyable. They paint a negative image of a movie in their heads and thus, they continue to become fixated on what a movie does wrong, rather than what it does right. They can't identify what's good in a movie anymore because they are too busy pondering its faults - in effect, ruining the movies for themselves.

While this may not seem to be such an issue based on what I've told you, these people are a problem because they are too vocal in their expression to the degree of irritation and offense. Not only will they advertise all the flaws of a movie in hopes of ruining it for other people, they also often shout really vulgar abuse to both the people behind the film and those who take interest in it. They will utter how "shitty" something is and then insult you and the director for what you think about the film. I mean, just because you are free to give your opinion on something, it doesn't mean you have the right to vulgarly slander anyone.

Likewise, whereas the trolls trounce on both you and the movie for shallow reasons, there are also those defensive fanboys who ignorantly defecate on your opinion for it does not coincide with theirs.

The issue here is not that these people will debate you on an opinion; that is perfectly fine if they do. It is that certain raging fanboys will incessantly and disrespectfully dispute your claims. When you don't like a movie, these people will do things such as ignorantly take a personal shot at you or talk about how you're an idiot for not appreciating what they appreciate.

What is so wrong about disliking a movie? Being "good" is subjective after all and everyone is legally entitled to an opinion. Therefore not everyone has to enjoy a movie. To all the raging defensive fanboys:

This may seem like a harsh reality check, but to tell you the truth: not everyone has to like what you like.

As opposed to saying "you suck for liking this" or " F*** the director, he deserves to die", saying that something is "bad" or "terrible" or even "a poor judgement" is not necessarily offensive and thus is nothing to be angry about. It is merely a . Sure some words such as "terrible" have a negative connotation, people should recognize that those words (if used with good intentions) are often used to strongly enforce a point. As long as they do not personally offend anyone or anything, exhibiting disdain is nothing that should prompt an angry reaction. I mean, if these people are offended when other people call movies bad, then they seriously need to re-evaluate their sensibilities.




As hard as it is for these raging fanboys to understand, there are respectful ways to point out faults of a movie and dispute someone else's opinion on somethings. Pardon the name dropping (or the fact that this may come across as sucking up) but two of the only CBM users that I recognize - BattlinMurdock and Tainted87 are examples of users on the site who know how to express opinions in a civilized manner. Both of them have been very vocal in their disappointment with The Amazing Spider-Man and while I do not agree with everything they say (as I thoroughly enjoyed the movie) I commend them for they point out objective flaws with the movie and they don't say childish things such as "the director is a douche".


I know that this is the internet. I know that you don't care about who is on the other side of the screen. I know you aren't here to serve anyone or follow anyone's rules. However, it is important that these raging fanboys realize that we are all part of a supposedly open comic book community.This is not merely a CBM issue, it is an issue that plagues the whole internet. Civilized opinion expression and respectful debate are virtues that we can practice in order to keep the internet safe and enjoyable.

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GoodGuy - 10/26/2012, 9:32 PM
Hey, Thanks for the comment WallCrawlingMenace!!! Nice that you're being mature and honest!
95 - 10/26/2012, 10:20 PM
I like to think that I'm a "sobered-up raging fanboy". Maybe I wasn't that bad, but I spoke a little too much during that whole "war" this summer. Everything seems pretty calm around ComicBookMovie (unless I missed something recently?).
Preston - 10/26/2012, 10:36 PM
There is a fine line between love and hate. When it comes to fans it, typically, depends on the hero or team being depicted. On this site, the debates always stem from two opposing view points:

1). If the person is a fan of the comic hero/team, they tend to have strong opinions about how the characters are being depicted on film.

2). If the person doesn't care for the comic hero/team, they tend to judge the movie based on the movie going experience.


Most fans on here will move between the two of these depending on the character/team.

1). If they care for the character, they will nit pick the direction the director is taking with the use of the characters.

2). If they don't care for the character, they'll defend the quality of the movie and direction even if it violates the source material to the point of being gutted.

In short, the movie fans defend the director and crew while the fans of the comics defend their characters.

Now, neither can change the other group's mind. The moviegoers don't care about the characters, and the comic-fans can care less about the movie going experience if their characters are being raped on screen. However, every fan on here is guilty of playing both sides; there are characters/teams that they want to see presented accurately and other characters/teams that they just want to see a cool movie about.
Rohit9876 - 10/26/2012, 11:15 PM
it is a great article man...many people tend not to show any respect for the director or for the movie...they have just Make-up their mind that this movie will be good and that will be flop.. this article should be at the Main page.
aresww3 - 10/27/2012, 1:07 AM
@spiderjerk - I´ve tried to enter in debate with some of these guys and I´ve given up. I can now only assume they are under the age of 13, or, have incredibly low IQ´s. Don´t waste your time trying to educate them. Its a waste of time, they´ll go back to the same behavior by the time they click on the next article.

By the way the most annoying are sickophantic fans of The Avengers, Nolan or these guys who just watch action movies, and have never read a comic book before, yet they scream and bitch and ostrisize with such pitch and passion anyone with a differing idea from them, so you get the feeling like they must really love these characters. Then u find out they´ve never even read a comic before. I rarely even use the site anymore.
GetsugaTensho22 - 10/27/2012, 1:20 AM
Fans are assholes. We're notorious for being whiney, entitled, arrogant, obnoxious, persistent and egotistical, thinking we know best just because we shell out a few coins to buy an illustrated story about the characters.

We're horrible people. Sad truth :(
GoILL - 10/27/2012, 1:41 AM
Good [frick]ing editorial man, so many people on the internet but this site in particular seem to get upset whenever you don't gush over whatever cbm they like best. I hate to go into articles and read people telling others they are not a "real" fan if they like/don't like something or seeing someone get reported for saying something as simple as I didn't think (insert cbm name here) was that good.
Preston - 10/27/2012, 7:59 AM
@GetsugaTensho22

I would say the fans of directors are worst than the comic-book fans.



The worst fans are those that defend a property without ever reading a comic-book in their life. They make declarations that are just not true.

If you respect a director more than the character, you might want to step back and remember than there are people who are really invested in these characters.

For example, I liked XM:FC. However, it did gut the stories, created its own time-line, and raped the material that it was based on. It was X-Men: First Class in name only. But, I thought that it told a compelling story. I started reading X-Men in 1989 at a time when every mutant was an X-men.

However, my background isn't the same as NOMIS who lives and breathes X-men. When he says that he wants the X-Men films back at MARVEL and that they all have sucked major donkey nuts, he is speaking from his passion for the characters history and mythos.

original x-men


His passion for the characters shouldn't be dismissed. Years from now when the hype is gone and the legions of rabid-movie fans have moved on to other characters and franchises, the real fans of the comics will be the ones that define these movies. They'll tell their friends about them and keep them alive. Plus, they are the ones that change the publics perception about these movies in the long run.


Example: Batman Forever when it first came out, it was hailed as the greatest Batman movie; it was family friendly, a better looking Bruce Wayne, a hip soundtrack, jadda-jadda-jadda. Fans of the Batman mythos have pissed on that movie for years that, currently, it's considered a piece of garbage and many critics have reversed their original stance on the movie. Yet, the Burton Batman movies that had been crapped on have seen a revival (with critics changing their position).

So, the REAL fan base will always be those that love the characters. If the studios want movies that will stand the test of time, they need to appeal to those that really care for the characters. If not, get ready for years (and years) of trash talk that makes a once hailed movie a piece of dog turd.

Batman forever
dezdigi - 10/27/2012, 8:44 AM
I really like this article. I try to keep my emotions in check when writing comments on this website. I like the mature discussions but alot of it is just petty arguments made personal. I defended my right to an opposing opinion a few weeks back and was told to "shut the f up" and that I'm not a "real fan". I've been reading Marvel and DC since I was a wee lad yet I have to prove that I'm a real fan. I attribute the pettiness and insolence to the younger crowd. I really hope no one my age is acting that way!
Preston - 10/27/2012, 8:55 AM
@Pux

Hype is only hype!




What I'm getting at is: the test of time will prove the merit of these movies.

And, without the true-fan base behind them, they will be forgotten, and urinated on for years by those that will not forget.

The average moviegoer will eventually move on, but the true fan never will.
HeadPool420 - 10/27/2012, 9:28 AM
Great article!
theInvincibleMexiMan - 10/27/2012, 9:30 AM
This was a great article. There are waayyyy too many people here that rag on movies and say that it was a fact that it sucked because it didnt live up to their expectations. Sometimes they call a movie crap before its even come out, ex: The Wolverine. I'm sure I've made a few comments like this myself, but I try to keep a lid on it as much as possible

nice editorial dude!
ArtisticErotic - 10/27/2012, 9:32 AM
I have yet to come across any fanbase that is not extremely bias. Humans tend to latch on to things they did not create and treat it as though it belongs to them.

There is no such thing as a "TRUE FAN" or "FAKE FAN". Some individuals are just care more than others or have more knowledge about a certain product etc.

boiling - 10/27/2012, 9:55 AM
great article!! i totally agree!
dollstix - 10/27/2012, 10:03 AM
A well thought out and intelligent article.
Well done.
I have and continue to be a big fan of Judge Dredd (since issue 2 of 2000ad) and have tried hard to defend the latest incarnation on film but hopefully not at the expense of cheap shots and trolling.
An intelligent discussion can provoke thought and sometimes education and as such, is welcome.
Trolling and insults reflect far more on the age, IQ and social skills of the writer and in a Genre such as CBM's that most of society see as geeky, nerdy and uncool, the trolls only end up proving their misguided point.
95 - 10/27/2012, 10:04 AM
I gotta agree @ArtisticErotic.
DrDoom - 10/27/2012, 10:30 AM
WallCrawlingMenace doesn't like me anyway.

But well written editorial regardless.
GoodGuy - 10/27/2012, 11:08 AM
Woah, article made main!!!

Thanks for the comments and likes guys. It's really nice to see people who positively react on something I care about and worked real hard on.

Again, Thanks guys!
aresww3 - 10/27/2012, 11:19 AM
@Levitikuz- Your a great example of what he´s writing about, or perhaps something even worse.
aresww3 - 10/27/2012, 11:21 AM
@Dezdigi and Battlin murdoch are good examples of people who know how to debate.
aresww3 - 10/27/2012, 11:23 AM
@Also wormwood is cool, I disagree with what he says, but he´ll actually debate you.

Lancestorm as well.
meatbag - 10/27/2012, 12:12 PM
I was always put off by people on this sight who don't allow for critcism of any kind, and this is why I tend to "ghost" on this sight and comment infrequently. I loved the Avengers, but, let's be honest, there were honest concerns going in, and when someone says, "Shut up, quit complaining, we're getting an avengers move," I just don't understand it. I mean, If Marvel studios craps on a plate and calls it dinner (Ghostrider), am I just supposed to shut up and eat it and pretend it's awesome? I always thought The Dark Night Rises was a lazy title for the third Nolan film, I said they could do better, but I was labeled a "Marvelite," and called a "little Kid" who obviously didn't like Batman. I'm 38. I grew up with Batman. And I'm entitled to an opinion. /rant
DrDoom - 10/27/2012, 12:50 PM
@meatbag

Marvel Studios didn't make Ghost Rider.
dezdigi - 10/27/2012, 1:32 PM
Well, this thread went well. I'll see you all in the eye of the sh*tstorm Monday morning!
NorseGod - 10/27/2012, 2:48 PM
@wormwood I remeber Batman Forever getting a lot of negative criticism when it came out, and it was mostly from the general public.

As far as comic acurracy goes, I think if a movie can appeal to the movie-going public, with or without alterations to the source material, then it is doing its job. I am one who when I hear that something is different than what I am used to in the comics, there is an initial sense of disappointment but then I look forward to seeing how it works out. I still retain skeptism because if the change does not support the story I feel it was a wasted opportunity, but in a lot of cases the changes are to help focus a story and to me the storytelling is far more important than seeing an exact interpretation of a character.
Preston - 10/27/2012, 4:03 PM
@NorseGod

Critics loved Batman Forever including top critics like but not limited to Peter Travers (Rolling Stone), Roger Ebert (Sun-Times), and Owen Gleiberman (EW).




Plus, family groups came out in support of the movie. It reinvigorated the toy companies and marketing.

The hate originally stemmed primarily from the fans (like myself) that saw it as an “over-hyped piece of NEON cow manure.” After the disaster that was Batman and Robin the fans were able to make the case that Schumacher and Co. were a bunch of hacks. With time, the movie has lost it's shine and popularity due to the fans. It was popular during it's hayday(Kiss from a Rose by Seal, Jim Carrey as Riddler). I still know people that defend it. It's was popular. I hated it after my first viewing, but it was popular.

I agree that comic-book movies are more entertaining when they tell an original story. However, the key components of the characters personality must stay intact if I care about the character(s).



Going back to NOMIS, when you call a movie XM:FC, and none of the original members are actually in the movie (or misrepresented), it might just piss off the fans.

If you are a Batman fan and he is represented as a parody of himself (Batman and Robin) or as an arthritic quitter (cough-cough), it just might incur the wrath of the fans.

If Galactus is represented as a cloud of burning crap, it just might anger the fans.



Cloud


What I'm trying to get at is that changes are sometimes so extreme that they deserve the criticism that they get (and will get for a longtime).

So, yes, a great story that respects the character(s) and keeps the appeal of the subject matter is ideal. Most of time, the fans of the comic-book aren't angered by a small alteration to the character; they are angered that the character exists on screen in name only.
WesleyGibson - 10/27/2012, 4:13 PM
Don't start none, won't be none. I must admit however that I do love a good debate over my favorite characters from time to time, but anything other than that is never worth my time.
meatbag - 10/27/2012, 5:03 PM
@ AcidicHeart- Yes, fine, Sony, I stand corrected, but the point I made is still valid.
NorseGod - 10/27/2012, 5:53 PM
@wormwood, ok it had critical success, I merely meant that when I saw it (and people were not as commonly familiar with the comics as they are now) those that I discussed it with all felt it was terrible and that was just from a typical movie-going experience. I agree it made a lot of money due to the fact that it appealed more to families than Burton's previous take, but I recall general audiences finding it too stupid to take seriously when it came out.

As for the accuracy, the examples you give are two films that did extremely well despite fans criticism because they were well told stories, and two films that failed miserably due to bad writing, bad acting, and bad intentions. The two that did well will live on as good movies long after fans have nit-picked them, and the two that are bad are not so simply because they didn't recreate the character as they are in the comics.

As I had said previously if the change doesn't support the story than it isn't helping, but a character can be spot on, even so much as recapturing an iconiic scene in the comics and still be a part of an awful movie simply because it didn't know how to adapt for a movie audience. If Galactus had been represented as a nebulous cloud but the film was well done it would have little impact on its success despite fanboys' rage.
Preston - 10/27/2012, 6:23 PM
@NorseGod

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. As I said before, history will set everything right.

When the dust settles, the only people left standing are the fans.



Who do you think will remember these movie when the movies are dated, old, and forgotten?!?

It doesn't take much to get the balance right. You just need a group of individuals (writers, directors, and producers) that care to get it right; everything else is an excuse:




^^^ and, that is how it's done.
OdinsBeard - 10/27/2012, 6:26 PM
Don't mean to rain on the parade but these editorials come out once a month. "Stop bitching and be respectful." - what's the point? You're so much smarter than the rest of us, we need your insight to stop expressing negative opinions?

Check back in 30 days, there will be another unoriginal, poorly written "why can't we be friends" article that won't make a difference.

Thanks for telling us how to express ourselves and labeling everyone but yourself a "fanboy"
GoodGuy - 10/27/2012, 7:22 PM
@OdinsBeard

Thanks for the comment but I never referred to or made the assumption to the reader that he/she is a fanboy. I just identified what types of things these fanboys would do rather than point any fingers.

I didn't write this editorial to prove my intelligence here and somehow stop this "war". In fact, I acknoweldge the fact that what I just wrote will make absolutely no difference. I just wrote this because it is about a relevant issue - which is exactly why it is written about so often. Similarly, authors often keep writing about war and peace. We read it , yet, we don't make supercilious assumptions about it because it's still a different insight into something we probably already know about.
Niuhll - 10/27/2012, 7:37 PM
Acting liked a dick always gets a response, being polite and trying to start an actual debate often goes unresponded because of the former.

Thats why it happens in the way it does.
Shadowelfz - 10/27/2012, 8:38 PM
For some reason when I read this article Intruder kept on coming to mind...

Seriously though fantastic article man. I always found it absurd how people felt their own opinions were better than one anothers and got into arguments about it and personally attacked one another? Were all equal here so there is no need to be condescending to one another. If you like something, great. If you hate something, great. Just dont hate each other for it.

One of the reasons fanboys feel so angry and defensive about a movie straying from its source is the rising popularity of CBMs. Except for the younger folk here many of us grew up in a time when comics were not mainstream and we were sometimes ostracised and made fun of for loving comic books. Now CBMs and Comic books are mainstream and its 'cool' to like them. That means the hollywood machine can make money from them so were seeing CBMs come out monthly. In that we fear that the hollywood machine will take these characters and bastardize them to their own ends in an attempt to make money (Batman and Robin comes to mind). I think that's why fans are so defensive of these movies and why they feel entitled to them. It's undertandable but we need to be less angry and more proactive about it. If we hate what they are doing with a property flood their offices with letters, calls and emails letting them know rather than just bitching online. Something like that.

Also good point about the stills. When XM:FC first came out the stills made it look awful and yet the movie was great. And I remember the Green Lantern stills looking great and, well... you know where to go from there.
Shadowelfz - 10/27/2012, 8:43 PM
Also don't listen to Odin'sbeard. The only thing worse than trying and failing is not trying at all. That and being jaded is counterproductive and gets you no joy in life.

Besides, people think the bitching is bad on these boards but its nothing compared to what we had to deal with in the past. Before the troll massacre a few months back it was so toxic on these boards I was seriously thinking about quitting this site... and I've been here for over six years! Maybe it was editorials like this, lower tolerence for trolling by Galactus or people are just more respectful in general but its a hell of a lot nicer being on these boards now these days :)
NorseGod - 10/28/2012, 12:38 AM
@wormwood agreed. Thanks for the discussion.

And thanks spiderjerk for the editorial. Reminding us to be civil helps because we can be passionate about our oppinions, but most of us here are rational people and don't want to go looking for a fight. There are just a few that pop up on particular posts with those traits you described and they can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with.
WesleyGibson - 10/28/2012, 1:47 AM
Shadowelfz

Intruder always came to my mind when reading these types of articles as well, so you aren't the only one. I do agree also that the 'troll massacre' really did do some good for this site.
Shadowelfz - 10/28/2012, 6:21 AM
Pux- I'm not ;)

sameoldthing - 10/28/2012, 7:03 AM
Shit article.

Just kiddin'.. The clarification of what should or shouldn't be stated relating to movies,comics or games,etc. is always a good conversation piece.

However,nothing can really be resolved when there are many who simply just use the Internet & sites like this to express frustration based on something they are passionate about.

Seldom if ever a project gets universal praise or disdain so the pros & cons will continue to which we can only hope people use more reason than emotion when commenting.

GoILL - 10/28/2012, 1:58 PM
@Pux and Shadowelfz

I'm pretty sure HalloweenJack is Intruder.
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