Robin in The Nolanverse

Robin in The Nolanverse

How Nolan can avoid the mistakes of previous movies with Robin (*cough cough* Batman & Robin and Batman Forever cough*)


Preferably set half a year or so after the events of TDKR, the film entitled "Gotham Knights" would be the introduction for numerous Batman villains but more notably, The Boy Wonder, Robin.

The film starts with Bruce Wayne (still hopefully feeling the effects of a bad back if TDKR pulls through) lounging around on his couch. He turns on the TV and begins watching the news, just as CNN reports that Batman successfully put away a masked gunman last night and that the streets of Gotham are looking a lot cleaner once again. Alfred enters with breakfast and tells Bruce that he can't spend all day lounging around doing nothing or else he might never fully recover from his particularly bad case of "Lazy-itis". Bruce smirks, but it is unclear as to what he's laughing at, Alfred's humour or (EASTER EGG) that the news reporters are all laughing because the gunman apparently told Batman to "Hush" before attempting to gun him down and consequently getting a mouthful of Bat-Fist and a hell lot of jail time. Alfred smiles as well but promptly switches off the TV and hands Bruce a leaflet for a circus performance that's happening that evening. Bruce eventually accepts the offer and decides to attend, especially since he loves a good trapeze.
9 year old Dick Grayson is back stage getting ready with his parents for their death-defying acrobatic act, "The Flying Graysons". He's super nervous, so his father kneels down on one knee and tells him two always be brave because the darkest night comes just before the dawn. He's referring to a scene seen previously, where the ringmaster tells Dick's parents that if they perform well there may be a spot in a bigger circus (Cirque du Soleil style). However, what Dick and his family don't know is that gangster Tony Zucco, one of the mobsters who captured with Lau's assistance in TDK and was let free after Harvey Dent's crimes were revealed (supposedly) in TDKR, had overheard this proposal and consequently cornered the ringmaster, telling him that if 'The Flying Graysons" don't stay, they will all die (as Zucco has a stake in the circus's ownership and doesn't his biggest source of income to move) . Bruce is in the audience as a guest of honour, simultaneously completing a business transaction to fund a cryogenics research facility in Gotham (Mr Freeze anyone?). The ringmaster frantically tries to reach the Grayson family, but bumps into Bruce Wayne in his haste. Bruce notices his distress as he runs off and follows him. The ringmaster arrives moments to late as the Graysons have literally just reached the top of the ladder and Dick's father and mother are preparing to open their act with their trapeze act. THe ringmaster looks around frantically and sees Zucco, drawing his finger across his throat sadistically and giving orders to two of his thugs. The thugs step into the shadows below the trapeze and subtly wear down the support ropes until they're being supported by the finest of threads (to make it look like and accident if and when investigated). Then Zucco and his men disappear swiftly. Bruce comes around the corner just in time for he and the ringmaster to look on in horror as "The Flying Graysons" unknowingly fly to their deaths. From above, Dick shakes with fear as his parents fall, terror and the rope snaps and then disgust, revulsion and horror as his parents mutilated bodies crumple on impact with the circus floor. Panic breaks out as people scream, run and gasp in horrendous shock at the atrocity before them. Bruce calls Commissioner Gordon to alert him about the situation.
Later on the circus arena is cordoned off by the GCPD as they investigate the "accident", as it appears to be. Batman arrives and subtly investigates the scene of the crime, deducing that Zucco is responsible from the fingerprints of his associates on the rope and a small "interrogation" of the ringmaster. Deciding to try and get a better view of the crime from above, Batman climbs the ladder that the Graysons climbed moments from their demise. He then finds Dick, crying in the corner of the stand, and comforts him. He tells Dick he's going to take him to stay with "a friend". Dick falls asleep in the Batmobile and is deposited on the sofa back at Wayne Manor. When he wakes the next morning, Bruce welcomes him to his home and promises to look after him for a while. Days pass and Bruce sees some of his younger self in the boy. Predictably, he becomes attached (as observed by Alfred) and takes him in as his ward.
CUE MONTAGE!! 5 years go by as Bruce vigorously trains Dick in numerous forms of martial arts and hand-to-hand combat, supposedly so that Bruce won't have to worry all the time about Dick's immediate safety. Dick performs way above the average for his age, secretly driven by his rage and thirst for justice toward Tony Zucco, who was revealed publicly as the man behind his parents deaths after Batman begins to hunt him down. However, Batman is unsuccessful due to Zucco finding protection from Roman Sionis, competitor of Wayne Enterprises and secret mobster/drug-lord under the guise of Black Mask. Batman becomes angered by his inability to put Black Mask behind bars, as he knows Sionis's disappearance could plausibly be linked to Wayne Enterprises.
When Dick is around about 14/15 (a good age to start with as this is commonly when a boy starts to mature and look at the world through more adult eyes), he is on a trip to Wayne Enterprises with Bruce for a fundraiser. Bruce becomes a tad tipsy and begins to flirt with his entourage of beautiful women. Dick feels ignored and bored and makes his way up to see Lucius Fox, who he has become good friends with over the years. Fox isn't there but his office door is left ajar. Dick, doing the stereotypical teenage thing, becomes nosey and decides it wouldn't be that bad if he were to take a peek at the latest Wayne tech inside. Dick advances towards Lucius's desk and schematics for the Batmobile/Tumbler are left and the desk (much like those found by Kyle Reese in TDK). Dick pockets them and stealthily exits.
When Bruce and Dick arrive back at Wayne Manor, Dick confronts Bruce about the schematics for the Batmobile, believing that Bruce is some sort of benefactor for The Dark Knight, financing his heroic escapades in the shadows. Dick deduces that because Bruce's parents were victims of the scum of Gotham, Bruce wishes to see this scum removed from the face of the planet (much like Dick's own feelings toward Zucco) and finances Batman as a means of doing so. Much to Dick's confusion, Bruce smirks and remarks that he trained him too well. Bruce walks off in the direction of the bookcase in the study and removes the head of a statue near by. Dick remarks that this is beyond cheesy and that they must be going to Bruce's secret panic room. Then the bookcase slides back, (cue Dick's jaw hitting the floor). They enter the lift and descend into the Batcave......


Bruce Wayne/Batman=Christian Bale

Alfred Pennyworth=Sir Michael Caine

Lucius Fox=Morgan Freeman

Dick Grayson (age 9)=Chandler Riggs

Dick Grayson (age 14/15)=Logan Lerman

Tony Zucco=

Commissioner Gordon=Gary Oldman

John and Mary Grayson=Leonardo Dicaprio and Natalie Portman

The Ringmaster=David Suchet

Mr Freeze=Ralph Fiennes

Roman Sionis/Black Mask=Liev Schreiber

Hush=Ben Foster

Posted By:
Ben Golding
Member Since 6/21/2011
Filed Under "Fan Fic" 12/4/2011
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stumbleMaster57 - 12/4/2011, 7:53 AM
Great ideas I really liked this article except if TDKR Is eight years from now. And another five years go by I'm your movie, wouldnt Bruce/ Batman be getting really older
GoldenMan - 12/4/2011, 8:03 AM
Good point stumbleMaster57! I actually wrote the main bulk of the article around a month ago, but if I were to rewrite it I would make Dick about 10 when Bruce finds him and that would be during the 8 year period of Batman's leave, not only making the ageing better but also helping to mask Bruce's identity as Batman! :P
Jolt17 - 12/4/2011, 9:29 AM
Thanks for delivering my point...I still suspect Chandler Riggs is a younger Logan Lerman somehow teleported into the present time. Seriously, notice how they look alike. And anyway, both will not make a bad Robin at all...but they'll fit Tim Drake more than Dick Grayson.

And I haven't read the whole fan fic you had up there, but interesting idea, no to Ben Foster as Hush, though.
RunDTC - 12/4/2011, 10:13 AM
problems with this:

-Logan Lerman. he can't act and is a horrible choice for Robin
-story is rather so-so for a Nolan Batman (even though both he and Bale have already said TDKR is the last one).
-neither Dicaprio nor Portman would take the small roles of the Flying Graysons
-Ben Foster's a good actor but too young for Hush.
RunDTC - 12/4/2011, 10:14 AM
I like the Schrieber as Black Mask pick, though he's my pick to be the next Batman.
alucard365 - 12/4/2011, 10:58 AM
Dicaprio, and Portman in supporting roles. LMFAO ! ! !
Rhys - 12/4/2011, 11:39 AM
Logan Lerman?...

superbatspiderman - 12/4/2011, 12:10 PM
Prety solid story and cast. I like all of it.

If anyone hasn't checked out my Crow story please do so. It is a good read.
ScottPilgrim - 12/4/2011, 2:15 PM
love that design of Robin
CaptainDC - 12/4/2011, 2:17 PM
Although I've never loved Robin fan casts at all, this one actually works really well. Good job (y)
Ghasst - 12/4/2011, 4:40 PM
Awesome casting concepts... much kudos
Moonwalker1991 - 12/4/2011, 4:58 PM
I'm not so sure Robin would fit into this universe. I've always loved the character, especially from the Animated Series. Of course if he's done right, which with Nolan might be possible other than the fact he said Robin would never appear in his movies, for which I'm grateful, because no one wants to see another Batman and Robin. Still your little story thing is creative. nice. And as far as future Batman films after Nolan and Bale are done, I'm not really looking forward to that, neither am I too happy that this amazing series is going to end after TDKR. It'll be really hard to top this trilogy or even build upon it, unless Nolan is involved somehow, most likely producing as he is with the new Superman film, which I know, believe will be amazing.
Moonwalker1991 - 12/4/2011, 5:00 PM
I like your choice for Mr. Freeze. Always wanted to see him on the big screen, done right, especially if it's based off of his portrayal in Batman Beyond.
Moonwalker1991 - 12/4/2011, 5:04 PM
As far as Robin, I would rather go with Tim Drake instead of Richard. I'd give Richard Grayson his own spin-off and show his training with Bruce/Batman in flashbacks.
WingDingaLing - 12/4/2011, 5:14 PM

Eaglios - 12/4/2011, 5:56 PM
So,when you say "intro story",you mean like a prologue right?Also,I think Logan Lerman is a pussy and that Nolan wouldn't want him even watching his movies.I also think he wouldn't want any "teen sensation" playing robin.He would probably search for a perfect match.
l0rdleg0las - 12/4/2011, 11:07 PM
i don't particularly want to see the child Dick Grayson on film. if Grayson ever got put onto the big screen i would prefer it as Nightwing.

in fact with the revelation that TDKR is actually taking place almost a decade after TDK it is entirely possible that Bruce could have taken in a young teenage boy whose parents had been killed in a horrific accident, and helped to train and focus his rage into making a difference for good into the world and that Grayson now in his early to mid 20's has left Gotham and has taken up the mantle of Nightwing.

by doing something like that, you keep away any rememberances of the terrible Chris O'Donnel Robin from Batman & Robin, by never actually making Dick Grayson Robin. you make him a young kid Bruce took in raised and trained, who when he moved out of Wayne Manor, decided to become Nightwing.
scmittydude - 12/5/2011, 1:16 AM
Darn Tootin' Ralph Fiennes!
darkknightmare2012 - 12/5/2011, 7:46 AM
i like your picks for hush and black mask .. but not a fan of doing a kid or teen robin .. at youngest he should be 18 ... maybe maybe 17.
dpguy - 12/5/2011, 8:17 AM
I can't understand the continual call for Robin to be included in the Nolan films. As even the writer admits, the character has been botched before. And let's not talk about Robin in that 1960's TV series.

Why can't people understand that his character is just not suited to live-action films and leave it alone?
PapaEmeritus - 12/5/2011, 2:00 PM
What this guy said^^^
[frick] Robin.
dpguy - 12/5/2011, 2:32 PM
Thanks FatherMidnight.

I really don't get the fixation with Robin.

I'm not a Robin hater, but I really don't think the people wanting him in the movies have really thought it through.

The introduction of Robin started the downward spiral in the previous Batman franchise. The common answer to that is that "it wasn't Robin, it was director Joel Schumacher." But I don't think it was the director, I think it was the character. For numerous reasons, Batman having a sidekick just doesn't work on the big screen.

Every live action incarnation of Robin has been silly because I think it's unavoidable.
darkknightmare2012 - 12/7/2011, 2:11 PM
its true the whole side kick thing does take it to a campiness level .. which is why it should be done as nightwing and they shouldnt be partners ... would of much rather it been nightwing in the movie as opposed to catwoman...
dpguy - 12/8/2011, 1:06 PM
The only way it MIGHT work in my opinion is for Nightwing to be a young member of the league of Shadows, part of Bane's army who realizes that he's on the wrong side and ultimately turns on Bane and helps Batman take him down during the film's final act.

They would have to get far, far, away from the traditional Robin story of an orphan moving in with Bruce Wayne.
Darkknightfan015 - 12/22/2011, 3:20 PM
I could see lerman as a good robin. I hope that if robin is ever used that they leave out the circus, bruce doesn't have to be there when it happens and they don't need to show the whole thing playing out, maybe flashbacks
Darkknightfan015 - 12/22/2011, 3:47 PM
I really want a cameo in TDKR and with or without Nolan there should be a couple more films. That would be a good time for robin. Have dick be robin in the 4th film and become nightwing in a 5th or sixth. Batman should be about 40 by the time robin comes in and since TDKR is 8 years later it may work. If Bane does break bruce's back then he could be a couple years younger than that. That costume for robin there is perfect. I really think that robin could work.

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