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Black Cat Confirmed in Spider-Man 4...Possibly Vulture?

A reliable Spidey-source reveals details of the fourth Spider-Man installment.
There’s obviously some heavy auditioning going on for a certain female antihero that most believe to be Felicia Hardy, the Black Cat. It has been rumored that Sam Raimi has met with both Rachael McAdams and Romola Garai for the role. But is this information viable?

According to a credible source, it seems without a doubt we will see the feline cat burglar in Spider-Man 4. According to Slashfilm.com, we might have a possible plot outline revealed:

"I’ve verified with Hey U Guys that their sources are 100% legit, and am pleased to confirm that they’ve passed the sniff test easily. This is still just a rumour, sure - but it’s a very nice smelling one. Have a quote:

Their report goes on to tell us that the big screen Felicia Hardy is not the daughter of a cat burglar, as per the original, but that her old man is, for some of the film at least, the new man in charge of the Daily Bugle. This is presumably how she first meets Peter Parker, who she then goes on to fall in love with and discover the secret identity of - which will, as was inevitable, put both of them in danger. Jeez, Pete - can’t you just keep it in your pants mask?

Hardy’s father is not only a newsman but also reportedly a villain in some sense, though possibly not a costumed one. On the other hand, Hey U Guys tell us that their source were calling this chap a “viper”, over and over. It doesn’t really add up that they’ve confused “lizard” and “viper” but how about “vulture” and “viper”? There’s also an outside chance that the word was “venom” and there’s some cross-over between Spider-Man 4 and the touted Venom spin-off on the cards. Vulture seems most likely to me… or Hardy senior might just be a ticked off news man with no animal alias."


But wait, True Believers, there's more:

"The Hey U Guys story suggests that it’s the death of Felicia’s pop that provides the catalyst for her change of heart. Does Mr. Hardy die because an out-of-costume Peter feels he can’t act to save him? Again, that seems to be the strong implication but only time will tell. I definitely see the comments Raimi has made about needing a villain and a dilemma specific to Peter’s new circumstances marrying up very nicely with a plot line about Spider-Man’s need for a secret identity."

If this source is indeed reliable, the hope of seeing either the Lizard or Kraven in the fourth Spider-Man movie is dead in the water. Unless, of course, four villains is just what Raimi has in mind. What do you think?



Information courtesy of SlashFilm


13 Yes
10 No
KiNGJohn472
11/10/2009
SlashFilm

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142 Comments

well the story between mj & hardy should be entertaining, a "CAT"fight maybe?

mcadams for blackcat! she's a hottie


sorry guys a little off track but what is with of these EVONY chicks with the big boobs? i see them everywhere
shadowboxer - 11/10/2009, 9:00 PM
I hate it already. I am about to join Multi on this one. I hope the story for her is just a nbad rumor.
THEHAWK - 11/10/2009, 9:10 PM
hope this is all true well i guess but Im not sure of how true everything is because that's alot of info that their giving us all in one week.....please be true and Black Cat vs Vulture would f-ing rock, just like the Marvel Knight Spider-Man comic book
BlackCat1 - 11/10/2009, 9:15 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another one bites the dust :)

MultiPurposePoni - 11/10/2009, 9:16 PM
I just think there doing the same thing that [frick]ed up spidey 3. Changing the mythos. Making vulture her dad? Putting a new editor at the Daily Bugle? Have any of the writes ever read a spiderman comic?
KiNGJohn472 - 11/10/2009, 9:17 PM
This just doesn't sound like it would be accurate. What are they doing with Jameson? I like the idea of Black Cat over MJ, but this might be a little much. They don't even have to mention parentage.
Upupandaway - 11/10/2009, 9:18 PM
Ummm...all of this seems like a lot of speculation, and I'm not clear on who exactly is "confirming" this. It's a direct cut and paste of the original article...and saying "Viper" doesn't mean "Vulture". I don't know...just doesn't make sense to me I guess.

We'll see how it all pans out. I am one of the people that enjoyed the first two movies enough that I'm willing to give Raimi another try...Here's hoping!
Bamf7 - 11/10/2009, 9:18 PM
Ugh, more rumors and hearsay and I heard this and that. It's all crap, no one knows shit yet.
gtrman - 11/10/2009, 9:23 PM
I know. I rushed it without looking at the main source. I should have put the main article which you can view here: http://bit.ly/3i4zgQ The whole vulture idea is just Slashfilm.com editor Brendon Connelly's speculation. He was never mentioned in the original post.
KiNGJohn472 - 11/10/2009, 9:29 PM
@KiNGJohn472

You have to understand that, like the Ultimate comics and 1602 verse, the movieverse is a separate continuity than the comic canon. Things will be, no, HAVE to be different. Otherwise you're just doing the same stuff over and over and over again.

I mean look at how much they changed Venom in Ultimate Spider-Man or the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon or even Venom in SM3. Yeah they had a much more different roles in the mythos and even different origin stories, but they're still just as valid.
MovieTheaterLad - 11/10/2009, 9:30 PM
i can tell its gonna be another SM3
RockNRollCC - 11/10/2009, 9:31 PM
This "rumor" made absolutely no sense; 'Here's what a reliable source said, "Viper." Which could be taken to mean Venom, Vulture, or lizard.' I guess they didn't think of scorpion. This could be disinformation as well at this point since the leaking of the Black Cat casting.
California - 11/10/2009, 10:02 PM
Either way, i'm not looking forward to spidey 4 at all.
supermarioworldE - 11/10/2009, 10:05 PM
this is baseless speculation at best. how do you get vulture out of viper?? i find it funny that this guy says it doesn't add up to confuse "lizard" with "viper". oh, but it makes perfect sense to confuse "viper" with "vulture"????? seriously...
CorndogBurglar - 11/10/2009, 10:06 PM
@ upandaway

exactly. in the comics, black cat just shows up as black cat one night. there is no need to show her father at all.
CorndogBurglar - 11/10/2009, 10:08 PM
@CDB: They didn't have to make Uncle Ben's killer the Sandman. . . but they did. Raimi loves to make every villain interwoven into Peter's personal life, not just his Spider-Man persona. Is it really smart to compare what has been done in the Spider-Man movies with what takes place 'in the comics'? This sounds just like it's up Raimi's alley.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/10/2009, 10:11 PM
Honestly i'm thinking with the whole Viper thing it might be Scorpion. Vulture would be good but i have my heart set on Lizard. I really want a Sinister 6 that would be Epic
DTLSinger - 11/10/2009, 10:12 PM
Ya know, it is going to be what it is going to be. Vulture is a classic, it will get made no matter what anyone says. And you will watch it. Just like everyone watched every other trainwreck, Catwoman, Daredevil, GI Joe(yes it was bad), etc, etc. Eat your crap sandwich and like it.
Number21 - 11/10/2009, 10:14 PM
vulture would be awesome, but rami is already shitting on the cannon so i'm thinking this movie will suck in the same way the others have, campiness and taking liberties.

...and all this info is speculative as shit.
deathmetalbrian - 11/10/2009, 10:16 PM
yes finally maybe some relief we dont get that corny story Kraven Meets Lizard but the bad thing we will have a spider,cat,bird,and its sounds most likely to be venom you cant leave an open ended movie how crapier can you get,venom should definitely be a part of the 4th one lizard and carnage would be a great movie and then venom comes along and comes scorpion and so on and on.this is for you MultiPurposePoni


Weiner123 - 11/10/2009, 10:16 PM
Rachel McAdams would be perfect for Black Cat.

But I swear, if Lizard isn't the villain this time, Raimi can't blame anyone but himself for the mob of fanboys that'll break down his door and beat him to death.
slimybug - 11/10/2009, 10:23 PM
yeah you guys should put this in mind Vulture was originally supposed to be in the Spider-Man 3 movie alongside the Sandman, and a single sketch can be seen in The Art of Spider-Man 3, featuring a Vulture whose wings were mounted on his back, rather than attached to his arms. Originally, Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes (a role partially played by Venom in the film). Actor Sir Ben Kingsley was confirmed to be the second villain in Spider-Man 3 before Venom was chosen to be the second villain.[50] Sam Raimi has also expressed interest on introducing Vulture in a future film.
Weiner123 - 11/10/2009, 10:23 PM
id really really LOVE to see hobgoblin on film


Weiner123 - 11/10/2009, 10:25 PM
@ multi

oh, i didn't say raimi wouldn't do it because it didn't happen in the comics, i said they didn't NEED to. two different things :)

@ number 21

don't act like you're somehow above everyone else man. spidey has a LOT of classic characters, and NOTHING in that article points to vulture being in this, only an idiotic assumption that by using the word "viper" they meant "vulture", which i'm still trying to figure out how someone could come to that conclusion. and i've never seen catwoman. daredevil was hardly a trainwreck, and who DIDN'T see gi joe? obviously you did since you said it was bad.
CorndogBurglar - 11/10/2009, 10:32 PM
"Viper" could have been misquoted and they meant to say vampire. "Viper" is probably Morbius or Lizard not Vulture.
mnc - 11/10/2009, 10:35 PM
Good news and bad news I guess. Black Cat goooood. Vulture baaaaaaad. More than one villain should be against the rules now. Two is really pushing it, but the Vulture? Kraven would be sick. Venom reborn would be cool too. Has Doc Connors paid his dues with his minor roles the last two films? Dream scenario would be a Spidey 4 movie with just Lizard, and maybe Black Cat. Gosh I hope this movie doesn't suck.
Azrael83 - 11/10/2009, 10:39 PM
Really?

First the Black Cat thing, I thought that was bad enough that she'd be in it, but now....Vulture?

Come on. Vulture is such a lame villain. An old guy with bird wings. Woop dee doo.

God I hope this is pure speculation.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/10/2009, 10:41 PM
That's right you hopeful bastards, Raimi's serving up another winner! Take it, and LIKE IT!

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MultiPurposePoni - 11/10/2009, 10:43 PM
that picture is how I feel about this story multi.
I can't understand the leap of faith that was taken here...viper doesn't have to be a misquote he could have just meant that the old guy was mean. That to me seems more rational.
thwhtGuardian - 11/10/2009, 10:46 PM
God I hope its not the vulture. Anyone but the goddamn vulture!
Shadowelfz - 11/10/2009, 10:57 PM
Been gone for a while. lol.


To me it seems like they may be setting JJJ up for the Scorpion storyline. I mean it makes perfect sense. In the comics Jonah did step down from the Bugle. So that would be a great story. I'm a little iffy on the Black Cat thing though. I wish they kept Harry alive though. It would have made for great conflict. Also if Harry was alive we could've had a New Goblin Vs Hobgoblin storyline.


You've been UNMASKED!
Unmasked - 11/10/2009, 11:02 PM
I think Spiderman 4 should focus on developing the lizard and scorpion, and maybe introduce the black cat as a sub character and making her a main character in the 5th movie. The movie should also focus on further developing venom for the spinoff film, rather than introducing the vulture or a less popular villain. I think it would also be cool to introduce a fight scene with rhino in the beginning, or establish the kingpin in the movie.


yankees8924 - 11/10/2009, 11:08 PM
Do you think it's possible peolpe jumped to the Black Cat conclusion pre-maturely. If this rumor is true, it doesn't say the nationality of who the new guy is as the bugle? Could it be the female partRachel McAdams is trying out for is Calypso??? A good friend of Kraven the Hunter. Just a thought. Everyone is soquick to jump on the Black cat band wagon. I'm all for Sam Raimi changing stuff up and give us a new "original" storyline. Comicbooks are constantly changing storyline and origins.
GOTHAMknights2012 - 11/10/2009, 11:14 PM
They used all the good villains already. lol

DAMNIT why can't they just tell us who the villains are already.
Fartman - 11/10/2009, 11:14 PM
Hey I j was watching Spiderman 1 today and I was a little disappointed with the green goblins costume, I do not know how any of you felt about that but it bothered me a little... sorry if it is a little of topic. Also Mysterio could be another cool option for Spiderman 4.
yankees8924 - 11/10/2009, 11:19 PM
@yankees

The term "green ranger" always comes to mind whenever I see that suit. At least Gobby was the one villain in this damn franchise, who was actually just a plain "bad guy", that the audience didn't sympathize with.

And it's doubtful that 4 will be good because raimi has been hauling the same crap for three movies straight. He hasn't learned.
supermarioworldE - 11/10/2009, 11:30 PM
That is exactly what came to my mind as well; they should have at least made his mouth move or added different shades of colors to his suit.
yankees8924 - 11/10/2009, 11:41 PM
Every great movie has it's flaws. Even TDK had a terrible suit for batman. He gets bitten by dogs that can penetrate his suit, and he wants to make the suit thinner?! But it is all fantasy in some aspect. These comic book movies can seem a little nerdy, or stupid, or cartoony, but isn't that what they were going for in early comics?
supermarioworldE - 11/10/2009, 11:58 PM
@Number21

ROFL!

This isn't news, but if it were, it sure as hell doesn't sound very promising.

Oh well, still way to early to start judging. Maybe Raimi will deliver this time.
Macksimus - 11/11/2009, 12:12 AM
serving it up...and with no lube...how distasteful.
Set2Fallfirst - 11/11/2009, 1:50 AM
Ah, this just sounds lame. He's gonna [frick] it up again. These directors take to many liberty's
Spilox - 11/11/2009, 2:55 AM
VULTURE is the lamest SPIDEY character!!

Wheres LIZARD & KRAVEN???? : D


LEEE777 - 11/11/2009, 3:13 AM
BEN KINGSLY for VULTURE and to go out will AUNT MAY!!

Bwahahahahahahaha!! ; D
LEEE777 - 11/11/2009, 3:15 AM
Im not gonna put a downer on this movie till i see a trailer....all of this is speculation anyway :)
teabag - 11/11/2009, 4:33 AM
Vulture is gay.
Need Kraven and Lizard.
Skyh00k - 11/11/2009, 5:40 AM
If it's true about how her dad is said to be, then I will re-declare this franchise "DEAD". Also, Vulture? I doubt they'd put Vulture in it. They should put Lizard and build up to Scorpion for the 5th film.
JJMeylar - 11/11/2009, 5:41 AM
screw this...kraven and lizard hellz yea...
vulture..maybe...
black cat....fakk no!!!
sam raimi needs to go back to playing joxer on xena...
i wanna get jiggy with xena and gabrielle btw
Anil Rickly - 11/11/2009, 5:41 AM
I will boycot this movie if it doesn't have lizard in it it will be a complete joke if this happens.
Law4778 - 11/11/2009, 5:52 AM
great piece of art.

use lizard and kraven. save this guy as a minor badguy for later in the series.


grif - 11/11/2009, 5:55 AM
What the hell is a "pants mask"?
lowman - 11/11/2009, 6:11 AM
Could it be the female part Rachel McAdams is trying out for is Calypso??? Just athought especially if they're gonna have Kraven in it.
GOTHAMknights2012 - 11/11/2009, 6:23 AM
lowman@ i think this may answer your question....




:)
teabag - 11/11/2009, 6:34 AM
I really hope they bring on The Lizard.
Bandrews1 - 11/11/2009, 6:37 AM
What are they going to do with Gwen Stacey??????

Just bring in the Lizard already. He should NOT be the last villian in the franchise, Carnage should be.

Maybe its not The Black Cat that will be in Spidey 4, maybe the female role in Spidey 4 is Silver Sable (I hope NOT).

Didn't Raimi want the Black Cat in Spidey 2, but changed his mind.

I don't mind Vulture, he is a pretty cool villian and he is a 1,000,000,000,000 times better than Kraven.


SpideyFan1982 - 11/11/2009, 6:55 AM
To all of you who doubt Raimi would include the Vulture in a Spidey movie, here ya go:

"Vulture was originally supposed to be in the Spider-Man 3 movie alongside the Sandman, and a single sketch can be seen in The Art of Spider-Man 3, featuring a Vulture whose wings were mounted on his back, rather than attached to his arms. Originally, Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes (a role partially played by Venom in the film). Actor Sir Ben Kingsley was confirmed to be the second villain in Spider-Man 3 before Venom was chosen to be the second villain. Sam Raimi has also expressed interest on introducing Vulture in a future film."

And from Raimi's interview with MTV post-SM3 regarding another film: "I would love to see Electro, Vulture, maybe the Sinister Six as a team,"

MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 7:09 AM
Scorpion and Lizard with a return of Norman Osborn close to the end and Doc Oc's body recovered from river either by Osborn or by Dr Conners funded by Oscorp which is headed by Farley Stillwell. Introduce Felicia Hardy character but not black cat.
GOTHAMknights2012 - 11/11/2009, 7:20 AM
if this really isnt speculation, i'm so dissappointed it isnt even funny. i dont mind them introducing felicia since HARRY DIED...PETER HAS TO GET A NEW FRIEND, AND GWEN? I THINK GWEN IS A CASUALTY OF S3, RAIMI WONT TOUCH GWENS CHARACTER AGAIN. THE LIZARD/KRAVEN are the absolute perfect foil for PETE in SPIDER-MAN 4. I KNEW SINCE RAIMI LOVED THE VULTURE ALMOST AS MUCH AS HIS FAVORITE ROGUE, THE SANDMAN. SO I KNEW THE VULTURE WOULD REEL HIS FRAIL OLD NOGGIN EVENTUALLY. but after the circle-jerk that was SPIDER-MAN 3. you think RAIMI would take advantage of the oppurtunity OF SUCH A PERFECT PLOT, THAT WILL SATISY ALL DEMOGRAPHICS OF FANS!
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 7:21 AM
put up the pic of the VULTURE CONCEPT ART FROM SPIDER-MAN 3 DUDE!
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 7:22 AM
I wanna see Batman and the Creeper. Now that's cheese that I can enjoy with my wine.
SirPrize - 11/11/2009, 7:27 AM
IF YOU ARE A TRUE "SPIDEY" FAN @SPIDEYFAN1982 THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY THE VULTURE IS BETTER THAN KRAVEN? KRAVEN/LIZARD WRITES ITSELF THE PLOT IS A NO BRAINER. WHATS OLD-MAN TOMBS GONNA DO? DROP SPIDEY FROM A INSANE HEIGHT? LOL
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 7:31 AM
@dellamorte: Here ya go -


MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 7:34 AM
When is Spidey 4 scheduled to be released and when is the Cap movie scheduled to be released?

The Black Cat has a Cap tie in no? Didn't she take the super soldier serum? If so, might be a way of introducing or tieing in or setting up Cap for his movie.
Angelo - 11/11/2009, 7:38 AM
@Axl: The Cap movie rights are owned my Marvel. The Spidey movie rights are owned by Sony. We won't see any crossovers or tie-ins until one studio holds exclusive rights to both.

MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 7:39 AM
Different studios I know but maybe there's still a business arrangment between Sony and Marvel.....or maybe I'm reaching.
Angelo - 11/11/2009, 7:40 AM
@Axl: You're reaching. Impossibly far.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 7:41 AM
Hey Multi, just read your post after writing my second one. Wishful thinking on my part... :-)
Angelo - 11/11/2009, 7:41 AM
I have always thought Kraven is a lame character. He's a hunter on steroids wow that's pretty scary. Why not Rhino or shocker or introduce a new kingpin of the white version. Don't get me wrong on the last comment I'm not racist just a believer in keeping characters that have been around a long time the same race. Ex Nick Fury as well. Don't get me wrong either I'm a big fan of Sam Jackson. Anyways back to Kraven I just don't think he's a good idea for the movies, all you guys who are stuck on gerrard butler just cause he's the hot new item in hollywood sound like a bunch of 12yr old girls. give it a rest why not spend some time thinking of a character who might actually fit into a story. Here's to keeping the hope alive that Lizard fits into the story somewhere and that they will take the time to develop each new character along the way.
Kratos6 - 11/11/2009, 7:50 AM
LoL every news we see make multi@ more more warried :-D
MisterFixit - 11/11/2009, 8:05 AM
@MisterFixit: You're late to the party! Here's your mandatory Raimi fish slap:

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Take it you evil man, and LIKE IT!
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 8:08 AM
Wow this movie is gonna suck if they go down the route of all I am reading above!

Lizard/Kraven plot is the only way to go!
dancingmonkey08 - 11/11/2009, 8:15 AM
My God! I F**KING HATE REBOOTS, and I'm almost begging for one with this f**king news. This better be the work of some idiot starting rumors, I can't take anymore bad superhero movies. There's no excuse in the world for bad movies, not when Watchmen, and Iron Man are out there as excellent examples to follow.
ASSASSIN666 - 11/11/2009, 8:25 AM
oh jesus - i think I said Kingsley for Vulture months ago as a joke. it's pretty much perfect no brainer casting - but that would be awesome man. I think the Vulture would be a great villian - bring the Spiderman movies back into the vein of 1 and 2. A big CGI lizard takes all the personality out of the thing. So this way we can have a big CGI Kingsley flailing in the air. I LIKE IT.
Keven - 11/11/2009, 8:32 AM
Multi i want your comment about Mr. Ditkovich. Don't you think is the real star of these movie? Hahahaha
MisterFixit - 11/11/2009, 8:38 AM
This is shaping up to sound pretty good! I cant say that Im a big fan of the Vulture but the Peter/Felicia storyline sounds interesting especially if it means that MJ will be out of the picture as a love interest!
JoshW - 11/11/2009, 8:53 AM
Maybe her dad is Bruce Campbell. He's supposed to have a larger role. and he's supposed to be a villian.

And if they do try to hold Lizard off for #5 then that would help set Venom up with Dr. Conners doing tests, then that piece gets away or whatever. It makes sense... but dear god please don't let this be true! I WANT LIZARD AND KRAVEN!!! Don't make her Black Cat yet!
ManOfIron - 11/11/2009, 9:08 AM
Kraven=supermike

BTW whatever happened to that guy
Kratos6 - 11/11/2009, 9:22 AM
Crazily enough,I have the poster above with Spiderman and Vulture.
airbeyonder18 - 11/11/2009, 9:29 AM
Fact is like it or not Vulture is a iconic Spidey Villain...even tho this can be filed under rumour i wouldnt be upset if it became reality :)
teabag - 11/11/2009, 9:41 AM
teabag: Amen to that! :) Though I have my preferences of which villain I'd like to see in Spider-Man 4 I'll be happy to see any of Spider-Man's classic villains come to life on the big screen!
JoshW - 11/11/2009, 9:48 AM
@tea & josh: The Vulture might actually facilitate more of the wise-cracking that was missing in the last films. The Dr. Connors/The Lizard would be easier to sympathize with anyway. The Vulture may take away complaints that people were having in the first place.
Upupandaway - 11/11/2009, 10:14 AM
If this is true then the franchise will be a failure....1&2 barely saves it!!!
Kes - 11/11/2009, 10:29 AM
Upup@ very true :)
teabag - 11/11/2009, 10:31 AM
from defeating a Sandman,An Alien Symbiote , and very Tech-savvy villian....to fighting and old buzzard with wings!!! Great move Raimi....now i'm positive Thor will own May 2011!!!
Kes - 11/11/2009, 10:32 AM
havet they been introducing th sinister 6 villians for each movie anyway? doc ock, sandman, do we really need to see a team? dock ocks dead anyway, so how wuld they do that?

id just stick w/ lizard and kraven for spiderman 4 with felicia hardy as a side character, who at th end of th movie becomes black cat for spiderman 5. thn for sm5, either have mysterio (bruce cambells a great choice) or scorpion fighting spiderman who teams up with black cat. and for sm6, introduce carnage (im really not sure on this one though. if carnage is preasent, this movie definately has to be rated R, but we know they'll probably not do that. so they either need to find someone else or make this rated R.)
RockNRollCC - 11/11/2009, 10:39 AM
@MULTI-


SIR BEN KINGSLEY??? REALLY??? I don't like the idea of the VULTURE being in the spidey movies either, but you've gotta admit....EXCELLENT CASTING! :-D
Talontd - 11/11/2009, 10:42 AM
@Talontd: Why is that excellent casting, because they are both bald, old and have big noses? I don't ever want the see the Vulture in live action, so I'm the wrong person to ask.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 10:50 AM
Why can't they stick with the Lizard. Dr. Connors has been in all SM movies. I know it his time for his roll to come to life. Let's not make another mistake like SM3. The true fans do not deserve this abuse. If yoy want to put in the Black Cat fine but leave the other knukle heads out!! Thank you! HULK SMASH!!!!!!!!
THULK - 11/11/2009, 10:57 AM
Talontd: I agree, Kingsley would make an excellent Vulture! The guy who played "The General" in Prison Break would also be a good fit for the part! (I cant remember his name but Google what I've put above and you'll see him!)
JoshW - 11/11/2009, 11:06 AM
Black Cat would be a bad idea. Regardless of what comic book fans think, the general public doesn't know her, and will therefore consider her to be a cheap knock-off of Catwoman.
hescian - 11/11/2009, 11:07 AM
I don't understand how you derive that this character is the Vulture, stemming from the fact that someone described him as a viper.
Hawksblueyes - 11/11/2009, 11:09 AM

Hmmmmmm. Has anyone noticed that the outcome of the characters in Spiderman 4, are very similar to those from the article Access posted in fan fic a while ago. It basically has the same character's.
StrangemannX09 - 11/11/2009, 11:11 AM
@Multi we dont want to see Vulture .....Ever....but let's be real, if we do have to see him....the picture perfect fit is Ben Kingsley! we have to admit that......and yes....it's his Bald Head and Big Nose!!!
Kes - 11/11/2009, 11:16 AM
@Hawkblueeyes...... exactly Viper = fast and dangerous Vulture = eats rotting meat
Kes - 11/11/2009, 11:18 AM
@Kes: I was being facetious about Sir Ben ;)
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 11:47 AM
Vulture blows chunks as a villain.

What in all honesty would make him a good fit for SM 4?

But, if I had to cast him, I'd go with John Malkovich.


InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/11/2009, 12:00 PM
whoa malkovich would bring a whole nother level of cool to this movie! he's a great actor! im psyched about black cat but i dont really like the whole "father/'viper'/daily bugle" stuff. stick to the story deuchebags!!! pick up a freakin comic book theyre only like 3 or 4 bucks!!!! the writers for these movies SHOULD have the easiest jobs in the world because its ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN IN THE COMICS!!!!! how can they keep screwin this stuff up?!?!?
Makiveli21 - 11/11/2009, 12:11 PM
comic book movies shouldnt have "writers" they should have "interpreters"
Makiveli21 - 11/11/2009, 12:12 PM
TYLER: Great pick! :)
JoshW - 11/11/2009, 12:16 PM
the whole dilemma close to him thing could be lizard which is much more obvious and if there gunna change neting to tie in blackcat it'll prob b that shes doc connors' love child or bit on the side, r maybe even kraven somehow. raimi is a fool if he once again ignores fans pleas
Colton - 11/11/2009, 1:06 PM
OK , lets assume that not all of this article is correct and some is conjecture. What if? What if these 2 ladies didn't audition for Black Cat at all? Maybe they actually auditioned for Viper (head of Hydra) this could open an interesting story line. And Spider Man has had some run ins with her. Just an idea.
Hawksblueyes - 11/11/2009, 1:12 PM
Good article, but one villain only, please.
valeriesghost - 11/11/2009, 1:21 PM
@Hawks: You're reaching impossibly far just to try to make this story something you can live with. It will be what it will be

BTW, Viper and Hydra character rights are owned by Marvel/Disney.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 1:40 PM
Multi---- I just can't for the life of me see where someone can get the Vulture out of Viper. May as well throw any old villains name in there.
Hawksblueyes - 11/11/2009, 1:44 PM
@Hawks: I think a far more believable approach to the story is if you look at it this way:

The 'source' is someone who works at Sony and has no idea about SM mythology. To him, the role is just a villain that dresses like an animal and his name starts with a 'V'.

The person who interpreted that account IS familiar with SM lore and knows that the only mainstream Spidey villain who's name starts with a 'V' is the Vulture.

Simple, right?
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 1:54 PM
@ LEEE777: your casting suggestions are always right on the money lol. Kingsley is the first that came to mind.

@ yankees8924: I agree with you, The green power ranger in spiderman 1 was a travesty
thatiscrazy - 11/11/2009, 1:58 PM
Multi--- I don't think there is anything simple about this article LOL.
Hawksblueyes - 11/11/2009, 2:03 PM
That's true, but you have to admit that my explanation is a very plausible one. At least more so than pulling characters that Sony doesn't own the rights to.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 2:06 PM
NO LIZARD/KRAVEN means there prolly wont be MAN-SPIDER
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 2:12 PM
Forgive me for not knowing that Viper was not Sony's.
Hawksblueyes - 11/11/2009, 2:14 PM
Oh, I'm not ragging on you at all. We're all trying to make sense of this new info with our own explanations. If someone gives a more reasonable one that's backed by some facts, I think it's a good idea to push it higher on the list than conjecture. Don't you agree?
MultiPurposePoni - 11/11/2009, 2:18 PM
Agreed, definately. Its just that of all the ramblings that we see, this one not only makes little sense, but sorta comes out incoherently like drunken babble. Maybe its just me.
Hawksblueyes - 11/11/2009, 2:25 PM
GUYS...ITS OBVIOUS! ADRIEN TOMBS AKA THE VULTURE IS RICH AS HELL AND CRAPPY TO EVERYONE. FELICIA DRESSES AS BLACK CAT TO "CAT BURGLE" RICH OLD "SCROOGE-LIKE" TOMBS ONLY TO BE DRAWN INTO ADRIEN AKA VULTURE AND SPIDEY'S ALTERCATION. FELICIA KNOWS SPIDEY IN CONNORS CLASS AND HATES HIM...BUT IS SO TURNED ON BY SPIDER-MAN UNTIL SHE IS SHOCKED TO OUT FIND THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME. I "PERSONALLY" THINK FELICIA (IF THIS IS FACTUAL) DOESNT MEAN "BLACK CAT" OR "SPIDEY VILLIAN" NECESSARILY. SHE COULD BE FILLING THE SAME ROLE HARRY'S CHARACTER DID AS ANOTHER FRIEND TO SHOW PETER PARKER WITH OR AROUND. THE VULTURE IS LIKED BY RAIMI! EVERYONE KNOWS THIS! BUT HOW WOULD THE VULTURE BEING INVOLVED IN SPIDER-MAN 4 HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE "CONCEPT" RAIMI WAS SPOUTING ABOUT "PETER'S PERSONAL NEEDS FOR A FRIEND". UNLESS PART 4 SETS UP A LIZARD MOVIE FOR PART 5. WOULD THAT MEAN KRAVEN COULD BE IN PART 5 TO? WHO'S A GOOD VILLIAN TO PAIR OFF WITH SPIDEY AS WELL AS THE VULTURE IN PART 4 THEN? CHAMELEON MAYBE TO HELP SORTA SET UP KRAVEN FOR 5 TO GO WITH THE LIZARD...LOL...THIS IS ALL SPECULATION STILL THOUGH BUT EVEN STILL THIS APPROACH SOUNDS CRAPPY!
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 2:41 PM
REMEMBER-HARRY DIDNT BECOME THAT "BLACK-KNIGHT SNOWBOARDER" UNTIL THE END OF THE TRILOGY. BLACK CAT/FELICIA MAY GO THAT ROUTE TOO (LETS HOPE)
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 2:45 PM
if this rumor is true then i have high hopes for it. so we wont see black cat until the end cus of her father's death? then black cat will appear in the darkest of the 2, for they'll be written by vanderbuilt. thats wat it seems to be
kyle dalton - 11/11/2009, 2:55 PM
if this rumor is true then i have high hopes for it. so we wont see black cat until the end cus of her father's death? then black cat will appear in the darkest of the 2, for they'll be written by vanderbuilt. thats wat it seems to be
kyle dalton - 11/11/2009, 2:55 PM
HERE YA GO- THE CHAMELEON IS RUNNING AROUND THE CITY KNOCKING OVER BANKS EASIER THAN THE JOKER IN TDK. SPIDEY STRUGGLES TO CATCH HIM. ARIEN TOMBS LOST ALOT OF MONEY IN THE BANKS THAT THE CHAMELEON IS KNOCING OFF. THE VULTURE DECIDES TO TRY AND NAD THE CHAMELEON HIMSELF WHILE SPIDEY IS DOING THE SAME THING UNBEKNOWNST TO THE PUBLIC. SPIDEY GETS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR CONFLICT, CARNAGE(FORGIVE THE PUN). DURING WHICH FELICIA, PETER'S NEW LAB ASSITANT (GWEN LEFT SOMEWHERE, SHES JUST GONE) IS HELPING "DOC CONNORS" AND PETE ON A WONDER DRUG THAT RE-GROWS LIMBS B/C ITS "eXTRA CREDIT" AND SHE IS FAILING CONNORS CLASS. PETE TRIES BEING NICE TO HER THE WHOLE FILM SHE JUST COMES OFF AS AN ICY BITCH TOWARDS HIM AND THE AUDIENCE (FOR PART 4 AT LEAST LOL) PETE IS OUT [frick]ING AROUND WITH THE VULTURE AND CHAMELEON.INSTEAD OF BEING THERE AND PREVENTING IT, THE LIZARD GETS ACCIDENTLY CREATED BEFORE RUNNING AWAY (PART 5 PETE BLAMES HIMSELF THE WHOLE MOVIE AND MUST SAVE CONNORS), AND GOING DOWN TO THE SEWERS TO BE ON THE LOOSE. CHAMELEON FROM JAIL GIVES HIS BROTHER "KRAVEN" WORD OF WHAT HAPPENED. KRAVEN WAS ALREADY INTRIGUED WITH THIS CITY B/C ON THE TV THERE ARE REPORTS OF A GIANT GATOR-THING RUNNING AMOKE IN THE SEWERS. SO KRAVEN TELLS HIS BROTHER HE'S COMING TO AMERICA...LOL SETTING PART 5, THE LIZARD/KRAVEN AND THE CONTINUOUSLY ALLURING FELICIA INTO MOTION. I WANNA SEE THE SCORPION THOUGH, NOT VULTURE LOL
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 3:06 PM
ADRIEN TOMBS* NAB* LOL
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 3:16 PM
5 COULD EVEN SET UP MAC GARGAN/SCORPION TOO, JJ HIRES GARGAN TO "INVESTIGATE" SPIDEY B.C JJ BELIEVES SPIDEY IS [frick]ING AROUND WITH THE WATER SUPPLY OR SOMETHING. GARGAN "SEES" SPIDEY, THE LIZARD AND KRAVEN FIGHTING. HE TELLS JJ ABOUT IT! UPON WHICH JJ STARTS SCREAMIN ABOUT "HOW SOMEONE NEEDS TO STOP THAT MENACE" GARGAN QUICKLY VOLUNTEERS AS LONG AS JJ CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN B/C GARGAN WAS JEALOUS OF THE POWER SPIDEY HAS. FELICIA TURNS INTO BLACK CAT QUICK ENOUGH TO HELP "THE SPIDER" DEFEAT THE SINISTER 6. GARGAN BROKE, KRAVEN, THE VULTURE, AND CHAMELEON OUT. THEN THE VULTURE COULD PAY THE SANDMAN TO RETURN AND HELP THEM SINCE HE ALMOST STOPPED SPIDEY. ADRIEN GIVES MARKO ENOUGH MONEY TO WHERE HE BEGRUDGINGLY RETURNS. KRAVEN CAPTURES CONNORS AND TURNS HIM INTO THE LIZARD AGAIN. TREATING IT AS A LOWLY ANIMAL HE CAN ACT LIKE AN EVIL TRAINER TOO, EVEN THOUGH ITS ALREADY BLOOD-THIRSTY LOL...THIS WAY THE SINISTER 6 CAN STILL "THEORETICALLY" HAPPEN. BUT THIS WAY NOW ITLL BE...

1. SANDMAN
2. VULTURE
3. LIZARD
4. KRAVEN
5. CHAMELEON
6. SCORPION
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 3:45 PM
Hmm iouno. I keep thinking, do we really need another love interest? Can't they just get married? I mean Spidey could be tempted and stuff, but I don't think there has to be a whole nother plot based on a love triangle. The Black Cat could still be in it.

As for the vulture, eh, he's an old guy. He was planned for the 2nd or 3rd movie, so I don't doubt it.

And what about the Lizard??? In my opinion he's the coolest and most dangerous villain left. Just do it!

But...I trust Raimi, whatever it is I think he'll make it good.
deraj36 - 11/11/2009, 3:52 PM
Also, I have to remember that I never thought Doctor Octopus was a cool character but that movie turned out great.

But still...vulture?
deraj36 - 11/11/2009, 3:56 PM
keep in mind people my thoghts up above are just off the top of my head so far, if this is RAIMI'S "FACTUAL" DECISION I AM TRYING TO CREATIVELY RATIONALIZE THIS. SO THIS NEW TRILOGY ENDS WITH SINISTER 6 (AND WE CAN STILL SEE "MAN-SPIDER" IN PART 5 WITH LIZARD/KRAVEN)
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 4:18 PM
I DUNNO @DERAJ36

THE LIZARD IS AWESOME AND DANGEROUS BUT I THINK THE SCORPION COULD BE BUILT UP TO BE JUST AS BRUTALLY DANGEROUS!
dellamorte1872 - 11/11/2009, 4:25 PM
It's just a Bad Rumor.
Maybe they are considering Black Cat as a secondary character,not as a villian.Which Leaves Lizard and another villian.Kraven,Scorpion,or Vulture?
Just my Theory.In good news,Theres actually news!
NightAvenger4 - 11/11/2009, 6:01 PM
Blah. This is exactly what Multi was talking about in his article.

Why does Felicia Hardy's dad have to be somehow linked with Peter Parker's life? Why??
The source material had sense at least. Her dad was a cat burglar, so she became the Black Cat...

I dislike the movie already.
LexLuthor - 11/11/2009, 6:05 PM
And I think they're using Felicia Hardy the same way they used Gwen, just to have to shit stirred up between Pete and MJ... so predictable.


LexLuthor - 11/11/2009, 6:08 PM
Black Cat and Morbius

brazilianbatman - 11/11/2009, 9:34 PM
hmmm i hate the idea of again multiple villains
that f*cked up Spider-man3 for a lot of people
(not including me)
but The Lizard has been confirmed as the villain so i don't believe this story maybe only for felicia hardy but i think they let her be Black Cat in Spider-man 5.
and like KiNGJohn472 said earlier. did the writers ever read a comic from Spider-man or did they ever saw the animated series? well i'l keep my fingers crossed and hope that they don't f*ck up the francise
DJSpidey26 - 11/12/2009, 2:32 AM
i agree totally with most of you that rewiring the comic book mythology to suit a very basic, very simple, very straightfoward, non-dynamic, predictable movie plot arc. didn't they learn their lesson with spidey 3? i mean, everyone thought it sucked...not just us comic book nerds obsessing over faithfulness to the original text. hell, if they warped the comic book mythology to make a terrific movie, i could swallow that. but they didn't, so i don't. spidey 3 failed in much the same way x3 did.

it seems strange to me that the studio would go this direction, the same one that was so panned in the third film. yes, they still made a load of money, but i feel pretty confident that the sour taste of the last spiderman and its venom disaster will cut heavily into the box office numbers on the fourth installment. if people see that this is just more of the same they won't be caught unsuspecting and many adult moviegoers might skip this one.

the black cat will just be the lame gwen stacey stunt to piss of mary jane all over again...but with a costume and too much screen time and some cg acrobatics. this displacing jameson and installing hardy's father as head of the bugle is such lowball formula fiction. the possibilities are so few. and what? once that juice is squeezed you push the black cat and the memory of her dead father and reinstall jameson as boss and mj as ladylove as if nothing happened? that's weak.

i would really like to see the lizard, in part, because the film series has set it up so well to introduce him as a villain in the fourth film. the current military fiascos in the middle east would give real world grounding to conners accident and transformation. all the pieces are there. that storyline also gives us the rhino as a lesser villain for a big opening scene. it pushes the sinister six...possibilities all around.
inlovewiththeregencyelf - 11/12/2009, 2:45 AM
I SHALL TYPE IN CAPS, EVEN THOUGH THIS NEWS ISN'T THE GREATEST IMO. BLACK CAT IS A TERRIBLE CHOICE.
TheJester - 11/12/2009, 6:09 AM
the lizard will be in it for sure. i believe black cat will be in it too but nobody else, cmon lets not make this a flaming bag of shit this time
Duhdaduh - 11/12/2009, 8:18 AM
Ben Kingsley for the Vulture!!!!
"Daddy, Why is Spiderman punching Ghandi?"
batfan39 - 11/12/2009, 8:19 AM
lol @ Batfan39. Nice

I think it would be easy to incorprate Black Cat and still not mess everything all up. If I was Raimi, I would have it so that MJ gets into busting Pete's chops because she's afraid he will get killed and she gets lonely at night. Meanwhile Spidey is starting to kind of enjoy chasing this cute little cat burgler around the rooftops at night... He's drawn to her, even though he knows he has to take her down.
Yup. That's how I would do it.
DarthMulder - 11/12/2009, 11:42 AM
I was just watching Spiderman 2 and during the scene where peter Parker goes to the play, Bruce Cambell stops him from going inside and says it ruins the Illusion, Maybe for spider man 4 Cambell will become Mysterio since he creates illusions. Just a thought.
yankees8924 - 11/12/2009, 12:46 PM
Urgh... no Lizard/Kraven = Another enjoyable yet bad SM3 :(
Shaman - 11/12/2009, 1:25 PM
Im not beleveing anything unless Sam Rami goes on camra and says this and he wont so we have to wait for the trailer. And no LEE@ the stupdies villain is the chameleon, comon he wears a stupid hollowgarghic belt and the fight scean with him would be so quick and pointless. he would be a good hench men but not a main villain.

And hey im all for volture and aut mey i love to see some elder porn ;) And i think it would be awsome seeing a fight scean over New York spidey and volture dukeing it out, and i do mean spider-man in his spidey suite not as peter parker in a work suite they have to make up for that scean in spider-man 3 with whatever harry was suposed to be. I was more pissed about that than venom & sandman.

And yankees8924@ i did notice that also and sam did say we see the reason why bruce is in the movies in spider man 3 but it turned out to be nothing :( i would love to see old fish bowl head i think that would be a great villian but i gusse we have to see.
Logan-X - 11/12/2009, 2:35 PM
VULTURE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...
OSCURO - 11/13/2009, 2:32 PM
I want Lizard and Kraven!!!!!!!!!
mgauge - 11/13/2009, 4:42 PM
shit stain balls

stephenismyname - 11/13/2009, 4:52 PM
i laugh at lizard and kraven fans. never gonna happen. dr. connor in the movies is a physicist not a biologist, so no lizard. kraven is just a boring guy spiderman could knock out with a punch.
fanboiii - 11/14/2009, 10:26 AM
Did they really do concept art for Vulture when they did Spiderman 3? Aww shit. It's like Toy Story 3 thats coming soon, Its about a storyline they where originally going to use for the first one! And if they do it for this (E.g. Using the Vulture) They're gonna ruin it! Lizard dude, they know how much everyone wants to see it, and how popular the character is!
MikeSanderson09 - 11/20/2009, 6:47 AM
i really hope that rachele mcadams getts cast as black cat. she is so hot
bam2950 - 11/27/2009, 5:32 PM
Blackcat vs. Mj - Mj vs. Peter - Spidey vs. the Lizard - Spidey and Cat vs. the Lizard - or they could have Kraven hunting the Cat as an obsession of his. Definitely can't remove Jameson, as he's my favorite character in the franchise - "tell the caterers not to open the caviar". With all of these werewolves and vampires in hollywood, a cat would be a refreshing change - especially w/ the sexy appeal the feline characters always bring. Have her grow as tall as the Avatar Navis to bring in that spicey surrealism. The Vulture could also work if his wings were dettached from his hands but he would have to have some extreme character depth.I would chose Electro before Vulture becuz,altho most of the spidey characters are anthropomorphic, it could make the theme dry with too many of them in one sitting.
Diodoro - 12/19/2009, 9:25 AM

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