EDITORIAL: Batmaniac's Thoughts On Phase 2 So Far

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By Batmaniac - 3/26/2014


3 movies down, 2 to go, and with that being said, I want to share my thoughts on Phase 2 so far. In the last couple of days, I've watched Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier, so fresh on memory, I'm going to discuss what I like and dislike about Phase 2 so far, and what I'm looking forward to seeing from the rest of Phase 2.

Warning! This article contains spoilers!



Phase 2 to kicked off with the highly successful billion dollar blockbuster Iron Man 3, that, unfortunately, met some criticisms, but for what it's worth, I liked Iron Man 3. Do I think it's one of the all time greats? No, but it's enjoyable for what it is.

I'll admit, I was disappointed by the movie at first, but after a few rewatches, and a certain little One Shot, I've come to appreciate Iron Man 3. As always, Robert Downey Jr. is a pleasure to watch as Tony Stark/Iron Man, there's a strong emphasis on the man making the suit as opposed to the suit making the man.

Iron Man 3 is well written and visually exciting, and the first half of the movie is brilliant, but it starts to go down hill after the reveal of who's really the brains behind the 'The Mandarin'. In my opinion, Aldrich Killian wasn't a very good villain, or enjoyable to watch, so I'd say it's definitely the movies weakest point.

While I don't think it's the best addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it certainly has had an impact on the MCU, with the Extremis making it's way to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, and I personally hope we get to see more of A.I.M, preferably in some form of bee suits next time around.

All in all, I'd score Iron Man 3 a 7/10. It's not Iron Man's best adventure, but it's his most personal so far, and as always, it's just fun to get more time with Downey's Tony Stark, however, a weak primary antagonist and an over abundance of humour held this movie back.



Following Iron Man was Thor: The Dark World, which I happened to really enjoy, however, I was left wanting more. The Dark World is a good sequel to Thor, and while I don't think it outdoes it's predecessor, it's still a really good movie.

The Thor & Loki relationship is great, as always, and was the highlight of the movie. I loved the Dark Elves and Malektih, but I don't think we got to spend enough time with them. Nevertheless, the time spent with them was enjoyable.

There were some revelations revealed in The Dark World about the Cosmic Cube and the Aether being Infinity Stones, which naturally excites me as a fan, because I know where this is heading. The question is, have we seen any others, and how much is the Mad Titan aware off? The movie also ended in an exciting cliffhanger. What has Loki done with Odin?!

All in all, I enjoyed Thor: The Dark World for the most part, and while I don't think the movie is as good as it could of been, I still think it was great in its own right. I'd score Thor: The Dark World a 8/10.



Warning, spoiler territory!

This movie is incredible. It's Marvel's best so far! It's an exhilarating action packed roller coaster ride of epicness! However, all praise aside, it's also the biggest game changer in the MCU thus far.

Warning, spoiler territory! If you don't want to be spoiled, stop reading now!

Okay, so things really was shaken up in The Winter Soldier. Technically, at this point, S.H.I.E.L.D is no more, thanks to Cap and friends taking down the compromised intelligence organisation that was infiltrated by Hydra since its beginnings.

Now, I know there were hints, but nothing beats watching it all play out. Hydra has been essentially operating for years, disguised as S.H.I.E.L.D, and even though S.H.I.E.L.D is no more, Hydra, from the looks of things, is still at large.

It would seem as though Coulson and the team will be out of jobs, as well as Hawkeye and Black Widow. I guess this really opens the doors to Hawkeye and Black Widow becoming more like superheroes.

I'm excited to see where the MCU goes after the events that transpired in The Winter Soldier, as it's bound to effect the MCU in a drastic way. As for the movie itself, it's brilliant. I done a short review a couple of hours after the midnight screening, so of you're interested in hearing more about the movie, check that out!

All in all, I thought The Winter Soldier was amazing, and one of the best comic book movies & action movies I've ever seen. I'd score The Winter Soldier, what I consider to be Marvel's best thus far, a whopping 10/10!



Up next from Marvel Studios is Guardians of the Galaxy. We haven't seen much from this movie, so there isn't a lot to go by other than the footage we've seen in the trailer, and the limited details we know about the movie.

I think what we have seen so far looks fantastic. The movie looks so different and unique, and it looks like it's going to be a ton of fun. I'm eager to see what effects Guardians of the Galaxy will have on the MCU, as it's out first Marvel Cosmic movie, ever! I'm assuming we will get a look at another Infinity Stone in the movie, as well maybe a look at the Mad Titan himself!

I'm really looking forward to seeing the movie, but what are you're thoughts? Are you excited for Guardians of the Galaxy? Do you reckon it's going to have a big effect on the MCU? Share you're thoughts below.



Age of Ultron, the sequel to the 3rd highest grossing movie of all time. I have to say, I'm looking forward to this movie, and I personally wasn't blown away by The Avengers, like most, but so far, this movie seems extremely promising.

The mid credit scene with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch that Whedon filmed for The Winter Soldier was the best yet. Von Strucker, another head of Hydra, has Loki's scepter, and the twins held captive. It worked well with The Winter Soldier, due to the events that took place. Hydra are still at large, and I'm eager to see what the villainous organisation has up their sleeve next! Von Strucker, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch look awesome, by the way, and of course, The Vision will also be featured in the movie, so hopefully Whedon knocks it out the park and delivers the sequel we are all waiting for, because I can't wait!

The question is, who will create Ultron?

I could go on, but I'd be here all day typing if I went over everything that comes to mind, so feel free to carry on the discussion in the comments below and share your thoughts on Phase 2 thus far, and what's still to come.

Thanks for reading.

 
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Nick56 - 3/26/2014, 8:52 AM
Haven't seen Cap 2 yet, but I haven't liked Phase 2. Iron Man 3 I found to be unbearable, I contemplated leaving the theatre about half way through (4/10). Thor 2 was entertaining the first time but when I watched it again I was kinda of bored with it. Just a very empty, forgettable movie imo (6/10).

Cap 2 looks great though easily one of my most anticipated of the year, very excited for Avengers 2 (despite the fact I wasn't as blown away by the first movie like most were). I have no interest in Guardians, the tone just doesn't work for me, but it could be fun.

I'm not trying to be a troll or anything, mainly I'm just not a big fan of the direction/tone/stories of the MCU so far.

Solid editorial though. Good work.
Poolio - 3/26/2014, 9:00 AM
I pretty much agree with all your scores. Batmaniac, get ready to be called a troll by a few insecure Marvel fans because you didn't give everything a 10/10 .
Enphlieuwince - 3/26/2014, 9:03 AM
Batmaniac Solid work, man. This is a good read. I found the centered format to be annoying though. And there's a typo towards the end with "scepter" or "sceptre." Other than that, nice job, as usual.
CherryBomb - 3/26/2014, 9:06 AM
Iron Man 3 was flashy, entertaining at times but a lot of the plot let it down.
We're supposed to be shocked that Maya double crosses Tony when she's in like, 15 minutes of the movie?
- Killian seemed like a replica of Justin Hammer. We even had the recycled "Pepper saves Tony at the last minute" from the first movie.

Thor 2 was so boring to me. The first one was amazing, the sequel had a remarkably unmemorable villain played by a very talented Christopher Eccleston. It had a very uneven pace to me. Although the best parts were the scenes with Frigga and Loki.

Phase 2 has been poor in comparison to Phase 1. But it looks as though Captain America TWS will change the pattern.
Batmaniac - 3/26/2014, 9:12 AM
@Enphlieuwince

Thanks man. Thor, before I saw The Winter Soldier, was my favourite Marvel Studio comic book movie. I'd give it a 9/10.

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch weren't wearing the costumes we've seen in the set pictures.
Enphlieuwince - 3/26/2014, 9:12 AM
Batmaniac Also, I noticed that you rated TDW fairly high even though you said it didn't outdo it predecessor IYO. So what rating do you give to the original Thor.

AND about those characters that I asked you about earlier today - how were they dressed in comparison to AoU set pics we've seen?
Enphlieuwince - 3/26/2014, 9:12 AM
Gotcha...
MercwithMouth - 3/26/2014, 10:44 AM
Great write up man, I thumbed you...

I have been a big fan of Phase 2 sofar. I thought Iron Man 3 was brilliant. It showcased creative writing, and it definitely had a more serious feeling to it. I loved the political and social commentary, having Killian represent a kind of domestic terrorism, and the creating his own supply and demand for Extremis. I LOVED the twist, I repeat, LOVED IT! I can definitely see where the detractors are coming from, source wise, though. I though Kingsley was perfect, and nailed the character as written.

Thor 2 was a lot of fun. Loki was terrific, and the dynamic between him and Thor was a real highlight. I for one, enjoyed the humour, but found it to be slightly forced, and at times out of place. Malekith was good, if underused. The Dark World served to forward the overall story of the MCU by introducing the Aether, and then the cosmic side with the mid crafts scene in the Collector's museum. Plus, Adam Warlock eater egg!

Extremely excited for Cap 2 and Guardians. It's awesome to get these different genres in a cohesive universe. Having a political thriller and a space adventure mixed in with a tech genius, and a god? Awesome. And with AoS likely giving us a first look at the Kree, and hopefully weaving into Peter Quill's backstory, even better.

All looks good so far, and continuously building to the showdown with Ultron.

Great time to be a Marvel fan.
BatManHeisenberg - 3/26/2014, 10:44 AM
I loved everything about IM3 until he landed in Tennessee. Then I hated it until the final battle. Good work, Batmaniac!
McNyagano - 3/26/2014, 11:09 AM
Good write up:) Loving Phase 2 so far and Cap 2 was kick ass. LOL at anyone who lives in the states ;)
Wallymelon - 3/26/2014, 11:29 AM
The dark world is awful. Best parts are Thor and Loki. And it felt more like a Loki film.
Iron Man 3 gets better with every view. I wish there was more Don Cheadle and they fleshed out Maya more. It's enjoyable. Well written. The kid is a little annoying but doesn't ruin the film.
JorEllinator - 3/26/2014, 1:08 PM
Saw Cap 2 around 3 hours ago, it was amazing but I still cannot stand ScarJo as Black Widow. It seems like she's doing a bad impression of Anne Hathaway's Catwoman.
ezio619 - 3/26/2014, 2:20 PM
GREAT ARTICLE,MAN!!!

i think phase 2 has been really good so far,iron man 3 was really good,tonys arc, the commentary and idea behind the mandarin, killians plan was interesting, he was tonys dark mirror,i love(almost all)of the humor, the dialogue is well written,i love the detective,mystery plot,my cons are i wish maya and extremis were alittle more fleshed out and there wer a couple of moments of misplaced humor for me
thor 2 was good, the loki -thor banter and relationship was great, the asgrad scnes, the action scenes, the brief character moments between the royal family was great but malekith being a weak character and kat dennings brough it down for me but it was good

cant wait for cap, guardians and age of ultron!!!!
Reni - 3/26/2014, 2:27 PM
Well i guess i gotta check out Winter Soldier even if i'm not a fan of the first one and the MCU in general, sounds like they didn't took the generic route this time
Mastyrwerk - 3/26/2014, 2:38 PM
Good write up. Your analysis of IM3 and TDW were rational and even handed.

There's a lot of hate for the early part of phase 2, like there was hate for First Avenger and Thor when they first came out, but as time passes, they have settled into place and I've read comments on here of them being people's favorites.

Here's looking to a strong closing for Phase 2!
Omarvls - 3/26/2014, 2:48 PM
IM3 Was Mediocre at beat
Dark World was O.K
Winter Soldier was AMAZING
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan - 3/26/2014, 2:50 PM
Marvel Phase I IMO:

Avengers
CA:TFA
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Thor

(Although you could debate between switching around Iron Man 2 & Thor for me as well)


Marvel Phase II (So far) IMO:

CA:TWS
TTDW
Iron Man 3

(And I already think & believe Guardians will be better than Iron Man 3 from what we've seen so far so that is easily gonna go into the number 2 or 3 slot).

I'm thinking by the time Phase II is done, it will probably be (Depending on opinion)

Avengers 2 or CA:TWS as number 1.

Avengers 2 or CA:TWS as number 2 (Depending on where people will rank 1 over the other)

GOTG
TTDW
Iron Man 3

Gonna be an interesting view from different folk for Phase II once it's over, especially as Iron Man 3 & TTDW are both split in reactions between fans so interesting to see where those 2 are going to come on Marvel's Phase II listing order.
Destined - 3/26/2014, 2:56 PM
Good article and I agree for the most part. Phase 2 has been without a doubt entertaining, but mediocre and forgettable. TWS is about to change all that around though and I can't wait. Cap will have the most solid solo trilogy in the MCU when all is done and I'm glad. He's a great character despite being morally square. Looking forward to AOU as well, that should be another game changer.
adamcawa - 3/26/2014, 3:14 PM
It's interesting, I had mixed feelings about both Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. I alo felt both of them were excellent character studies of their titular heroes (as well as Loki, Hopkins, and Frigga). Unfortunately, it was the oddly paced action and the heroes' love interest that pulls the respective movies down. When you care more about the damsel in distress's side kick, even the side kick's side kick, then you have a problem. From Iron Man, while Paltrow did a masterful job, the story ruined her and having Pepper Potts be primarily responsible for ending the threat is more of a slap in the face to the audience than the Mandarin twist (which I felt was hilarious). We spend the entire movie caring more about Tony Stark than we ever have, only to have all of his heroics made worthless.

The acting from the leads in Iron Man 3 and nearly the entire cast in Thor 2 (excepting Portman's boring and unrelatable character), saves both of the movies.

That said, having seen Captain America 2, it's not just one of the best Marvel moves, not just one of the best comic book movies, but one of the best movies I've ever seen. It has everything, action, drama, intrigue, plot twists, characters you care about, precise acting, humor, and an impacting score. Literally the only weak points of Captain America 2 were that the plot got a little confusing at certain points, but that's normal from a "spy thriller" movie.
RRA - 3/26/2014, 3:41 PM
Phase 2 moped the floor with MOS. No IM3 and TDW weren't great films (nor certainly was MOS either) but you know what? IM3 and TDW didn't bore me. They entertained me for 2 something hours, and in some ways I think they were better than the previous installments in those respective franchises.

I know some nerd revisionism going around with IM2, but man remember when that was the Internet whipping boy? I do. IM3 is a step up from that. I thought THOR on first watch was OK, but in subsequent viewings I've learned to appreciate it more. TDW I actually enjoyed (albeit more disposable and lightweight than IM3 or AVENGERS or even Captain America) on first glance.
marvel72 - 3/26/2014, 3:57 PM
phase 1

6th iron man 2 3/5
5th thor 3/5
4th captain america the first avenger 3/5
3rd the incredible hulk 3/5
2nd iron man 5/5
1st the avengers 5/5

phase 2

3rd iron man 3 3/5
2nd thor the dark world 4/5
1st captain america the winter soldier 5/5
DrunkenNukem - 3/26/2014, 4:10 PM
Phase 2 so far dissapointing for me....Thor 2 and Iron Man 3


Of course Cap 2 will deliver...

But im looking foward to GOTG and its sequels...
MarvelFan15 - 3/26/2014, 4:25 PM
Guardians of the Galaxy will rock the box office. Hope it makes over a billion worldwide when it comes out August 1st and becomes Marvel's next global billion dollar plus hit.
Hardfelt - 3/26/2014, 4:25 PM
Nice work Batmaniac. I confer with your overall assessment.

I think that something that Marvel have managed to do well and is often overlooked in these reviews is to get the tone right for each individual character, which has set up the possibility for the initial Avengers film, and the soon to come Guardians and Ultron movies. My point is that you have to see each film as a stand alone first and a set up film, second. They are so different that direct comparisons are often unfair and not very helpful.

For example, the Iron Man films reflect the comic book story arcs which (at least when I started collecting in the mid-80's) were very character and dialogue driven with themes of corporate espionage and jilted lovers at the centre and Tony suiting up and fighting other technologically driven villains as the pay dirt on the outer. By contrast, CA:TFA was very much a period piece and something of an homage to that era. It's all guts and glory. And again, the Thor films are cosmic, ethereal and magical and not at all believable as being part of the same universe as Captain America. While this is stating the obvious in one regard, it just bears remembering when talking about the remaining Phase 2 and yet to come Phase 3 films.

In typical Marvel fashion, the build is slow, meaning is cobbled, webbed, backgrounded and foregrounded and I think that this is all going to get bigger and bigger than we think.

A couple of minor points.
1. Grammar - "I done a short review . . ." should read, "I did a short review."
2. Editing - The centre alignment is not good.
TheFascinatingMan - 3/26/2014, 4:38 PM
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
TheFascinatingMan - 3/26/2014, 4:39 PM
The majority of people WERE blown away by THE AVENGERS
DrunkenNukem - 3/26/2014, 5:29 PM
good editorial tho
Namor - 3/26/2014, 5:44 PM
I seen a few say Thor 2 kinda bored them 2nd time they watched it, and I agree with that. I certainly won't watch it a 3rd time or not for a very long time. I did love Kurse , thought he was better villian then Malekith, but would of liked to see more action and more drama and less comedy, i suppose. Hopefully for part3, they add Hela and Surtur to the mix, as I have a feeling, any movie with both of them would be pretty hard to be boring.

As for IM3, I liked it alittle more the 2nd time, but still didn't like it much at all. Im pretty sure Cap 2 is gonna be insanley good, and same with GOTG.
CapitanAmerika2 - 3/26/2014, 5:56 PM
Of the Phase 2 movies I've seen so far (Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World)Thor: The Dark World has been my favorite so far. Thor and Loki easily had the best parts in the film both when they were alone, and when they shared scenes. Malekith, Kurse, and the Dark Elves were also the best villains I've seen so far. The film would have been perfect if it were not for Darcy. Get rid of her scenes and exchange them for more Malekith scenes then the film would have been perfect.

Iron Man 3 was good up until Iron Man went to Tennessee then it was horrendous for the rest of the movie. Also the fact that Tony wasn't in his suit for 95% of the movie just annoyed me, as did the twist which was apparently so bad because they reversed in All Hail the King.

I have a feeling that Captain America: The Winter Soldier will blow every Marvel movie made so far out of the water in terms of quality, at least until Avenger 2 comes out.
FearTheLiving - 3/26/2014, 6:11 PM
Someone not completely bashing Thor The Dark World and Iron Man 3? Ridicules!!! Actually what you said is pretty much exactly how I felt about both of the films.
DEVLIN712 - 3/26/2014, 6:17 PM
The thing I'm hoping GotG brings to the MCU is Nova, screw the corps, they can die. Just give me Rich Rider!
ThePowerCosmic - 3/26/2014, 6:18 PM
Nice article Batmaniac!

I love to hear people talk about pros and cons of these films when it is done with insight...you are really good at that!
ThePowerCosmic - 3/26/2014, 6:24 PM
AoU 2 post credit scenes...I hope!

1.) the Other informing Thanos that earth still has the scepter telling us it is the final stone...the mind gem...that Thanos needs to complete the infinity Guantlet. They prepare to leave for earth...

2.) after Ultron's destruction his severed head is laying in a nearby field in a third world country. A small dirty child sees it and picks it up and brings it into his village and we see a slight flicker of red in the eye holes. (In one of Ultron's early appearances in the comics there was a end scene like this after he was destroyed)

That's what I would like anyway.
BlackNickFury - 3/26/2014, 7:07 PM
My MCU Movies rankings:

Phase I

Iron Man 10/10
The Incredible Hulk 7.5/10
Iron Man 2 8.5/10
Thor 8.0/10
Captain American The First Avenger 9.0/10
The Avengers 10/10

Phase II
Iron Man 3 10/10
Thor 9.5/10

WebHeadedHero - 3/26/2014, 7:58 PM
Sorry but I stopped reading this article after I read the phrase "Iron Man 3 is well written". Ha! We saw two completely different movies my friend!

Phase 1:
Iron Man-9/10
Hulk-6/10
Iron Man 2-7/10
Thor-7/10
Captain America TFA-8/10
Avengers-10/10

Phase 2:
Iron Man 3-5/10
Thor TDW-7/10
ezio619 - 3/26/2014, 8:38 PM
its amazing how mixed the reaction is to both IM3 and Thor 2..goes to show..cant please everyone,my opinions....

IRON MAN 3
i love tonys arc in the film, him trying to find out where the Man fits in Iron Man in a post avengers world,i love the mystery ,detective plot in the film,i think the humor for almost all of it works(there are two misplaced bits of humor for me but thats it)the plotholes are answered, for example why doesnt tony call his suits in tenessee :because the debris hasnt been cleared from the house, why do tonys armors break easily: they are prototype suits, but i can forgive some plotholes if i am engaged in the story and the characters of a films and that was the case with Iron Man 3 for me,i love the idea behind the mandarin and the twist is hilarious imo and I Love Killian,imo, he is the second best villain in the MCU behind Loki (i havent seen Winter Soldier yet) he is menacing,interesting and fun, he was smarmy and had some smarmy lines that were fun,plus his plan was very interesting and brilliant and his motivation was very interesting in that it was not revenge at all, even tony kind of jokingly says to him that he still isnt pissed about that night and Killian even says how can he be pissed at him, he thanks him but tony is in his way and so he has to kill him,plus he attacks his mansion to keep up the image of the Mandarin,not out of revengeeeeee!!(sorry about that), but his plan is just brilliant:having a puppet leader in power by having "The Mandarin" kill the president, the governemnt would retaliate and Killian would be there to supply his extremis soldiers to then new president who works for him and they would go on a wild goosechase for the mandarin who is Killians Fabrication, Killian would get rich from the profits and have alot of power by having the worlds most feared terrorist in one hand and the leader of the new world in the other, he is manipluating the military industrial complex and its brilliant plus his backstory is great , he was just a naive guy who wanted to make something of himself and who admires tony so much but tony brushes him off at the start,making killian learn about how desperate he was and how if he would jump off that roof at that moment, noone would care about him and he realizes his biggest strength there: Anonymity, so he uses that revelation to fuel himself , gets funding from the military and tony even has a speech about starting with something pure but then come the compromises,those compromises(military research and funding) completely corrupted Killian and even corrupted Maya to an extent(though i wish she and extremis were a bit more fleshed out) and made something of himself, he was created by tony and was tonys dark mirror such as tony is such a public hero while killian loved being anonymous and at the end, he finally accepts his schemes and role by proclaiming that he is The Mandarin(well accepts the title of the mandarin such as told in All Hail The King which i loved) plus i love that at the beginning tony is creating these suits every hour of every day because threat is imminent and he needs to protect the one thing he cares about :Pepper, but she shows she can protect him too by ending Killian plus she needed a bit of payback after Killian basically made her his trophy,the acting is great, the writing is great, the action is creative and inventive, REALLLY GOOD FILM!!!

Thor:The Dark World

Thor The Dark World was a good, not great film, but it had enough good things in it for me to consider it above average, the character relationships between the royal family of Asgard whether it be Loki and Frigga, Odin and Loki and Thor and Odin were great, the thor and loki banter and relationship was well done, the action was very good,the performances were good(for the most part),but my complaints were malekith was a weak villain, i wish they had kept in his backstory and cut kat dennings /the intern and selvigs scenes which imo took me out of the film and were unfunny,more screentime for malekith, less for the other humans, bad call on that marvel,overall, good, fun film
ezio619 - 3/26/2014, 8:40 PM
also, shut up about tony stark not being in the iron man suit for alot of the film, this is a tony stark centric story like TDKR was amore bruce wayne centric story ,so if u dont mind brucebeing out of the batsuit,idk why u should mind tony not being in his armor,thats a stupid phucking complaint!!!!!(rant over)
HughJasol - 3/26/2014, 9:19 PM
Phase 2 has been shit so far but I can't wait for Cap 2! Cap 2 looks to be as good as Iron Man 1.
Mashpataters - 3/27/2014, 12:04 AM

Iron Man: 9/10
The Incredible Hulk: 8/10
Iron Man 2: 7/10
Thor: 8/10
Captain America TFA: 8.5/10
The Avengers: 9.5/10
Iron Man 3: 7.5/10
Thor TDW: 7/10
cimmerian - 3/27/2014, 12:36 AM
Just watched Captain America: The Winter Soldier last night here in the Philippines and it was full of AWESOMENESS!
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