EDITORIAL: Get It Together WB/DC

Will we ever see a shared DC cinematic/tv universe akin to what Marvel have been able to provide? Hit the jump to find out how Batmaniac thinks Warner Bros. should approach building that Universe.

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By BatManiac - 5/11/2014


As most of you have probably heard, DC/WB are are in the process of building a DC Cinematic Universe, similar to their industry cousins Marvel. However, what has yet to be addressed is whether or not their slate of TV Shows will be connected to their shared universe. So I've decided to share what I think WB/DC should do to benefit themselves, and most importantly, us fans, when it comes to building the DC Cinematic Universe.

Before I start, I just want to say that what I have to say is in no way about the quality of the movie and shows, and is strictly about building a shared universe with multiple projects, such as films and shows.



First off, let me start by addressing the cons of not tying the shows to the DC Cinematic Universe. As it stands, over a period of 3 years, excluding the shows would accumulate to 5 - 6 hours worth of footage from the DC Cinematic Universe. I think it's goes without saying, that kinda of sucks, especially when you consider the fact between now and 2016, there will be approximately 70 hours worth of footage from the MCU between movies and shows.

Then you have to ask yourself, is this really a shared universe? I mean when you think about it, the only thing anybody is sharing without the shows is screen time at this stage, and I don't personally think that's enough to qualify as a shared universe.

There is also the notion of having all your characters in house, and separating them anyway. How does that benefit us fans, or them? A big part of what makes Marvel Cinematic Universe so appealing is the fact that all the characters they have the rights to share the same universe. It's like that in the comics, so that has a huge appeal to fans, and now the general audience, as they have also responded positively to Marvel's shared universe.



If WB/DC decide not to tie the shows to the DC Cinematic Universe, the DC Cinematic Universe will look like this by 2016:

Man of Steel
Batman vs Superman

5 - 6 hours worth of DCCU footage between 2013 and 2016.

However, if WB/DC decided to tie the shows to the DC Cinematic Universe, by 2016, the DC Cinematic Universe could look like this:

Arrow Season 1
Arrow Season 2
Arrow Season 3
Man of Steel
Flash Season 1
Constantine Season 1
Arrow Season 4
Flash Season 2
Constantine Season 2
Batman vs Superman

120+ hours worth of DCCU footage between 2012 and 2016. 

Surely, you can see the clear benefits, right? I mean c'mon, it's a no brainer.



Marvel Studios are easily pioneers when it comes to building a live action shared universe, so why not take a page out of their book? Oh, and before you think "Yes, phases!", no, I don't mean phases. I'm talking about Marvel's next step in enriching their universe through TV. Marvel can quite obviously see the benefits of tying shows to their cinematic universe, and I think it goes without saying, they know what they're doing.

In fact, Marvel have proved it can work with ABC's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Arguably, the show got of to a slow start, but it has since built a solid following, and has integrated itself within the MCU perfectly. Of course, the situation was different, as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D features a character that debuted in a movie, but they've proved the core concept of tying a TV show with a limited budget and boundaries with their cinematic universe can not only be work, but be rather successful.

Arrow has effectively already started building it's own DC Universe, which is actually bigger and richer than WB's current Movie Universe. The show has gained quite the fan base, and since gone on to spawn a spin off with The Flash, who will share a universe with Arrow, enriching The CW's DC Universe further.

Of course, the shows do not have the budget of the movies, but is that really a good enough reason not to tie them to DC Cinematic Universe?



I don't think so. Comics, like TV, are very serialised, so naturally, they benefit from regular instalments. Sure, there are limitations, but it's about finding a way to work around such limitations to deliver the best product you can, which is something Arrow has been doing well since it's debut.

There's also the fact that Arrow, like Man of Steel, share a similar 'gritty and grounded' tone akin to Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, which is an important variable when it comes to compatibility.

There is also NBC's Constantine to take into consideration, which so far looks promising. If all turns out well, it would almost seem doltish not to tie the show to the DC Cinematic Universe and to exclude NBC's Constatine from Del Toro's Justice League Dark, which is currently in development.

By tying the shows, you get to cover smaller aspects of the DC Universe that would more than likely be ignored altogether in a cinematic universe exclusive to movies. It would enrich the DC Cinematic Universe further and provide us with hours of content a year. Sure, the shows won't be as flashy as the movies, but that doesn't change the fact that the shows can only further enrich the DC Cinematic Universe.

Of course, there's the idea of Stephen Amell not being able to stand next to TV Actor turned Hollywood Actor Henry Cavill, or Super Model turned Actress Gal Gadot, but why not? Henry Cavill pre-Man of Steel was mostly known for his supporting role in The Tudors, where as Gal Gadot was barely known for her role small role in the Fast & Furious franchise. I like Cavill, and I think he's a good actor, but when did he start being regarded by such a high standard?

Okay, so you're probably wondering why I haven't mentioned Gotham. Well, the less said about that show the better, but the main reason I've left the show out of he equation is because it is set in modern day, which directly conflicts with Ben Affleck's Batman, which is something Arrow, Constantine and Flash doesn't.



It's time for WB/DC to get it's act together and tie the shows to the DC Cinematic Universe. I believe WB, and us as fans, can only benefit from a richer shared universe built up of shows and movies, and it would be a major missed opportunity, and outright doltish, not to tie the shows to the DC Cinematic Universe.

Feel free to share your thoughts on the matter below, and thanks for reading.
 
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DeathstrokeTerminator - 5/11/2014, 5:44 PM
Unfortunately, knowing how WB is, they will not.
AlexanderLykins - 5/11/2014, 5:50 PM
Sadly the DCCU won't be as good as the MCU. You have Warner Bros. to thank for that! I have no idea why they won't make one cohesive cinematic universe.
PAF - 5/11/2014, 5:52 PM
WB needs to lighten up and let DC have its own studio with in it, so it can have more control. The suits running things are just out of touch. And thank you for putting WB. A lot of people blame DC but its WB who controls most of what goes on in the movie/show-verse.
PAF - 5/11/2014, 5:55 PM
This just motivated me to dig up an old interview I listened to about how WB runs its ship and why Nolan didn't let them do anything during his Batman run. Hopefully I can find it.
Moohika - 5/11/2014, 5:56 PM
Are you sure that you want it to be connected? I'm still not convinced it should, even if I love Arrow. I'm still waiting to see how Grant is as Flash, that will make our break the deal for me, because you can't have JL without Flash.
AlexanderLykins - 5/11/2014, 5:59 PM
What's even more sad, for me anyways, is that we'll never get a real MCU.
BatManiac - 5/11/2014, 6:05 PM
@AlexanderLykins

It's sad, isn't it? On one hand, WB/DC have all their characters in house and are incapable of finding a way to tie their projects together, and Marvel Studios, the one studio that does keep everything contained within one single universe hasn't got the option of utilising all their characters.
AlexanderLykins - 5/11/2014, 6:08 PM
@BatManiac
It really is. We'll always have the comics though.
GliderMan - 5/11/2014, 6:10 PM
GeoffJohns will probably come up here calling us idiots and saying Arrow and MOS are confirmed to be in a separate universe, but he's wrong and that has NOT been confirmed.

Batmaniac, if you can hear me, I want you to know I agree with every word you said. Unfortunately... you killed my mother. So now I'm going to push the coin..
feedonatreefrog - 5/11/2014, 6:12 PM
Who cares if there's only 5-6 hours of footage in the DCCU in 2016?

I'd rather have the best possible footage, meaning the best possible actors for the roles, and not tying themselves to previous CW casting calls and story-lines.
GliderMan - 5/11/2014, 6:12 PM
@Alex well if FOX AND SONY WOULD QUIT BEING PRIDEFUL GREEDY BASTARDS MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME COLLABORATION


....sorry for yelling.
GliderMan - 5/11/2014, 6:13 PM
@feed I wouldn't.
GreenOliverQueen - 5/11/2014, 6:13 PM
how about origin stories as tv shows
AlexanderLykins - 5/11/2014, 6:16 PM
@GliderMan
No doubt!
TheReddestHood - 5/11/2014, 6:17 PM
I used to hate when people made articles about this,bu you actually gave great points as to why it should happen. I actually want it to happen now.

MantiniumMan - 5/11/2014, 6:23 PM
Please WB for the love of GOD do not tie TV to film.

You will cheapen the DCCU by adding TV calibre characters...

If ARROW is good ARROW is good but I would prefer a Ben Foster[[30 days of night/3:10 to Yuma]]TO be in the Green Arrow in the DCCU,not CW actors,no offence....
MantiniumMan - 5/11/2014, 6:25 PM
I just saw the Constantine Clip looks good for TV but not MOS status....
AlphaAndDecima - 5/11/2014, 6:32 PM
I don't see this happening, but it's all in good fun with hoping for this to happen. I think WB has an idea of creating multiple universes with their films and TV outlets, which I actually find to be a fine idea because there are obviously some people that would like to see characters like Iron Man or The Hulk differently than we we have in the MCU. Now, while WB won't show us different versions of Superman or Batman, it's nice to see the lesser of Batman, which is Green Arrow, being front and centered as well as Gotham's early days(the one city in the DC pathos that is so enriched with depth that it deserves time itself more than Batman).
LEEE777 - 5/11/2014, 6:32 PM
Big thumbs, gr8 read and cool gifs!

Guillermo del Toro said he'd be willing to use the TV Constantine for a JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK movie so who knows!

Would be awesome!!!

Agreed about Gotham, I mean what do we expect from erm... Fox (lol)

Still think it should be set waaay in the past and just centre around the GOTHAM PD like NYPD:BLUE/CSI/SOUTHLAND but no we got half of Bats villains in it b4 their even Super Villains.

LEEE777 - 5/11/2014, 6:34 PM
Exactly @ PAF, exactly!
BatManiac - 5/11/2014, 6:40 PM
I care about 5 - 6 hours of footage. Is that really what they're going to throw on the table and call a DC Cinematic Universe? I'm sorry to say, but that would be pathetic. I can't applaud them for no effort. The entire notion of a shared universe is, well... sharing a universe.

At the end of the day, if that's how WB are going to play it, The CW's DC Universe will be far richer due to the sheer amount of the development compared to the Movie Universe. I mean sure, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are going to be in the same movie, and that's exciting, but the only thing they're sharing is the same screen time.
LEEE777 - 5/11/2014, 6:41 PM
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent Carter and the Netflix shows wont cheapen the MCU - just expands it, so why not DC...

Ammel as Arrow is great, the guy playing Barry Allen I'm not so sure but they can always recast him for the big screen... no one cares Norton got replaced by Ruff (actually I do, coz Norton killed it :p)

Anyway time will tell.
LEEE777 - 5/11/2014, 6:43 PM
BatManiac @ Yeah we'd get cameos too from the DCU like we do in the MCU for tv series!!!

Would be great! Imagine AOS with no cameo of SLJ or the others???
BatManiac - 5/11/2014, 6:45 PM
@TheReddistHood

Well it's great to know I've made a believer out of someone, haha!

@Everyone

Thanks for commenting.
MantiniumMan - 5/11/2014, 6:46 PM
When we find out who the ROCK is playing then we will know whats what......
Marxman12 - 5/11/2014, 6:48 PM
Great article BatManiac. I hope Batman vs. Superman is highly successful. I hope the new DC shows (Flash, Gotham, iZombie, & Constantine) are highly successful. I think if these things succeed WB would be willing to fuse TV and film.
BatManiac - 5/11/2014, 6:49 PM
@LEEE777

"Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent Carter and the Netflix shows wont cheapen the MCU - just expands it, so why not DC..."


Exactly, and yes, there could be cameos, as well as references, to movie characters and events in the shows, which would be awesome!
GliderMan - 5/11/2014, 6:52 PM
Another advantage is that they can learn from Marvel's mistakes. Anything from the actual story-telling, tone, whether or not to do a spin-off, marketing, "crossover" eps etc.
MrBlackjack - 5/11/2014, 6:53 PM
I doubt they'll connect the two, and I think I'll be fine either way. If they connect the two, then great we get an awesome Flash and Green Arrow. If they don't (as I suspect), then that's okay, we still have the TV shows and more creative room will be given to them, plus double the amount of Flash!
LEEE777 - 5/11/2014, 6:53 PM
BatManiac @ Cameos, as well as references would be awesome, hell yeah - just hope WB has that vision bud, truly do!

MantiniumMan @ Lets hope it ain't John Stewart :p BLACK ADAM!
AlexanderLykins - 5/11/2014, 6:58 PM
Great article!
Marxman12 - 5/11/2014, 7:03 PM
Also I'm so sick of all the Amazing Spider-Man 2 articles that are flooding this site. It's refreshing to read an original editorial.
DrunkenNukem - 5/11/2014, 7:03 PM


100% agreed with this @Batmaniac, it´s a missed opportunity not connecting Arrow and all the shows that are coming with the movies. Del Toro even talked about we would be open to the idea. He would like to connect the Constantine tv show with his Dark Universe project.

I mean why not??????
NeoBaggins - 5/11/2014, 7:08 PM
Very good points brought up and well written. My view on the small-screen/big-screen thing is all over the place. Hard for me to come to a definitive stance.
MantiniumMan - 5/11/2014, 7:11 PM
Cross over TV that would be cool...

Cross over Movie would be cool...

Lets not cross the streams there will be too many DC Character spillage....

KallarkKent - 5/11/2014, 7:13 PM
In my opinion, they'll be interconnection between shows in the same network like Arrow and Flash. Constantine will most likely feature cameos of DC magic based character, even expand to Justice League Dark. Gotham will probably be its own thing. I don't think we'll see an expansion of the Cinematic Universe until after Justice League when we'll see the first batch of solo films and maybe TV spin offs.
MantiniumMan - 5/11/2014, 7:17 PM
@LEE777

If its Black Adam or MM or GL John Stewart it would be cool...

I would prefer MM....you can give him an open and closed and sealed back story with no draw back of having a 1000 Atlanteans or 1000 GL Corps member's to call when shit hits the fan...

But I would be down for MM/JohnStewart/BlackAdam/HawkMan/AquaMan aka NeutrinoMan as long as they aint cheesy and stay in tone with MOS I am all for it
DaVinci31 - 5/11/2014, 7:23 PM
Quality over quantity.

Plus, WB is actually getting their sh*t together, just ask Kevin Tsujihara.

It's all in here, man

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MrBlackJack/news/?a=97801

ArkAngel - 5/11/2014, 7:24 PM
I personally like that DC is not following everything Marvel is doing and I actually like having two universes (TV and Movies). That way, there's more creative room for both teams. More original, refreshing stories that don't have to rely on each other (and thus, I believe will be more coherent as Arrow currently is versus AoS).

I do think Agents of SHIELD...DEFINITELY...cheapens the MCU.
MrBlackjack - 5/11/2014, 7:32 PM
@DaVinci

That's...that's my editorial man! And after almost a month I sill have yet to edit and revise that article, lol. I gotta do that tomorrow.
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