2012 CBM FightClub FRIDAY SUPERBATTLE CCCIV (304)

Undercard-HAN SOLO AND CHEWBACCA vs MAD HARRIET | Title Fight-ELEKTRA vs GREEN HORNET AND KATO | Rematch-SUPERMAN vs THOR | Results for CBM FightClub CXXVII (127): GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN vs HULK | ELEKTRA vs MAD HARRIET | BATGIRL vs MYSTIQUE |

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By TheWitness - 11/30/2012

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CBM FightClub CXXVII (127) results:

[GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN]
GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN(2069)
vs
HULK(1904)

Rank: 10
# of Fights: 11
Win/s: 9

| HULK | PUNISHER | GHOST RIDER | WAR MACHINE | ICEMAN | BLACK WIDOW | IRON MAN | ELEKTRA | DRACULA


Loss/es: 2

| THOR | SILVER SURFER

[ELEKTRA]
ELEKTRA(28)
vs
MAD HARRIET(22)

Rank: 260
# of Fights: 7
Win/s: 2

| MAD HARRIET | HUNTRESS


Loss/es: 5

| BLACK CANARY | GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | BLUE BEETLE | XENOMORPH ALIEN | SELENE

[MYSTIQUE]
BATGIRL(19)
vs
MYSTIQUE(40)

Rank: 260
# of Fights: 7
Win/s: 2

| BATGIRL | VAMPIRELLA


Loss/es: 5

| CATWOMAN | SELENE | BANE | BLACK CANARY | SHEENA


CBM FightClub Rules

-THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!
-The fights need not be DEATHMATCHES, incapacitating the other fighter/s can be considered a win.
-SEEMINGLY LOPSIDED MATCH MAY OCCUR (just like in comics and movies).
-Fights may consist of individuals, duos or teams.
-Eligible fighters are characters who have adaptations in any form of comics AND movies.
Undercard Fight

Scenario: FIRST MEETING(NO PREP TIME and NO KNOWLEDGE of the other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES).
HAN SOLO AND CHEWBACCA vs MAD HARRIET


[HAN SOLO AND CHEWBACCA]

Rank: 94
# of Fights: 0
Win/s: 0


Loss/es: 0



Click for AEON FLUX vs SHADOWCAT fight
[MAD HARRIET]

Rank: 154
# of Fights: 1
Win/s: 0


Loss/es: 1

| ELEKTRA


Title Fight

Scenario:CHANCE ENCOUNTER (NO PREP TIME but has KNOWLEDGE of other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

ELEKTRA vs GREEN HORNET AND KATO

[ELEKTRA]

Rank: 260
# of Fights: 7
Win/s: 2

| MAD HARRIET | HUNTRESS


Loss/es: 5

| BLACK CANARY | GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | BLUE BEETLE | XENOMORPH ALIEN | SELENE



Click for HANNIBAL KING vs ROBIN fight
[GREEN HORNET AND KATO]

Rank: 240
# of Fights: 2
Win/s: 0


Loss/es: 2

| DAREDEVIL | BANE


Rematch

Scenario: PLANNED BOUTS (has PREP TIME and full KNOWLEDGE of opponent's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

SUPERMAN vs THOR

[SUPERMAN]

Rank: 21
# of Fights: 15
Win/s: 9

| WAR MACHINE | PHOENIX | THING | SPAWN | JUGGERNAUT | WOLVERINE | SEBASTIAN SHAW | GHOST RIDER | DR STRANGE


Loss/es: 6

| THOR | SILVER SURFER | NEO | GALACTUS | HULK | EMMA FROST



Click for HAWKEYE vs SNAKE-EYES fight
[THOR]

Rank: 2
# of Fights: 21
Win/s: 17

| SUPERMAN | PARALLAX | MAXIMA | WONDER WOMAN | CAPTAIN MARVEL | HELLBOY | GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | BRAINIAC | DR FATE | SPAWN | ZATANNA | GENERAL ZOD | GOKU | SWAMP THING | HERCULES | RAIDEN | OPTIMUS PRIME


Loss/es: 4

| DARKSEID | BATMAN | DOOMSDAY | SUPERGIRL


2012 Gangs of CBM Fight Club

Scenario: A team fight consisting of 5 members per team. They are in their "regular" peak condition with access to their regular gadgets and resources.



Rank #260

Mystique
Rank #232

Bumblebee
Rank #154

Prince Of Persia
Rank #154

Goku
Rank #133

Phoenix
Rank #128

Spawn
Rank #82

Yoda
Rank #76

Banshee
Rank #31

Ghost Rider
Rank #23

Robin
Rank #17

Shadowcat
Rank #13

Supergirl
Rank #9

Flash
Rank #7

Dr Fate
Rank #4

Black Canary

Ranking is based on the character's current standing on CBM FightClub


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GuardianDevil - 11/30/2012, 1:42 AM
Ok, I'm seriously gonna stop reading these, this is a total joke. What do you mean that it's not a popularity contest? It obviously is, how exactly can Hal Jordan beat Hulk? In the last one it said Batman could beat Silver Surfer, Wolverine and Boba Fett? How exactly can Batman beat them? Truth is he couldn't, this definitely is a popularity contest because Batman has such high standings...
LoudLon - 11/30/2012, 3:51 AM
Han and Chewbacca vs Mad Harriett: movie characters. Pass.

Elektra vs Green Hornet and Kato -- Elektra's routinely shown to be comparable in fighting ability to Daredevil. Maybe not the exact same level, though. I'd say she's roughly 90% the fighter he is. But Daredevil would decimate GH and Kato, so Elektra -- though it might be a bit more of a struggle for her -- should be able to take them, too.

Superman vs Thor -- still Thor.
AnungUnRama - 11/30/2012, 7:44 AM
#1: Mad Harriet
#2: Electra
#3: Superman (I don't get why the votes do not restart in a rematch. This way some rematches are won before they even started. So is this one. Thor is more than 2000 ahead, which seems quite dubious as most of these fights do not even reach nearly 1000 votes for both fighters combined)
toby13 - 11/30/2012, 7:54 AM
#1 chewbacca and han
#2 elektra
#3 thor
any one who disagrees deals with slender man
BuckyCap - 11/30/2012, 2:01 PM
Copy/paste from the Superman/Thor poll that I thought some might find interesting who ordinarily would not look at the poll comments.

The last time Superman and Thor met, it was prior to Superman bench pressing the equivalent of the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight. To top that, he only produced a single drop of sweat, showing that he put forth almost no effort to complete this task. We can calculate several things from this feat, starting with:

Force = Mass x Acceleration.

We don't know Superman's acceleration or force, but we do know the mass of the Earth (5.972 sextillion metric tons according to the comic) AND the acceleration of gravity (the acceleration he would have experienced in the machine). We can calculate the force that Superman would have had to surpass in order to "bench press" the Earth.

Force = 5.972 × 10^27 grams* x 9.8 meters/second
Force = 5.9 x 10^28 Newtons
(*Converted from Metric tons)

This needs to be put into perspective. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima (Little Boy) only released 300,000 Newtons of force. This means that amount of force required to hold the Earth's weight is equivalent to 195,085,333,333,333,333,333,333 Little Boys. That much force applied in the area the size of the fist would atomize whatever it touches, and it is nowhere near the maximum amount of force Superman can produce. This only gets more impressive as we use the same formula to calculate Superman's acceleration.

Force = Mass x Acceleration

We know Superman is capable of producing MUCH MORE than 5.9 x 10^28 Newtons of force, but we are not capable of determining HOW MUCH more. We can only insert the force we know he can generate, and calculate acceleration from there.

5.9 x 10^28 Newtons = 10,700 grams* x Acceleration
Acceleration = 5.9 x 10^28 Newtons / 10,700 grams
Acceleration = 5.51 x 10^24 meters/second^2
(*Superman's weight on the DC wiki is listed as 107 kg. The arms constitute approximately 10% of the body's mass.)

This is how quickly Superman would accelerate his arms when producing the amount of force required to HOLD the Earth. We know that Superman is capable of providing much more force, and is therefore capable of much more acceleration. Let's look at what this means in terms of Superman's velocity...

We can calculate the velocity of Superman's arms, if he applied "only" enough force to hold the Earth, by finding the distance they travel as he bench presses. "Long" arms for the average human would be 35 inches, or approximately .88 meters. For the sake of simplicity, and because we do not know Superman's arm length for certain, we will overestimate. We will say that Superman's arms are 1 meter long. Overestimation will allow us to get a conservative estimate of the velocity of Superman's arms.

Velocity = Sqrt(2 x Acceleration x Change in Distance)
Velocity = Sqrt( 2 x 5.51 x 10^24 meters/second^2 x 1)
Velocity = 3.32 x 10^12 meters/second

The speed of light is 299, 792,458 meters/second. That means that Superman is capable of moving his arms more than 11,074 times the speed of light without even trying! We can now calculate the amount of kinetic energy in Superman's fist...

Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity^2
Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x 1412 grams* x (3.32 x 10^12 meters/second)
Kinetic Energy = 7.78 x 10^27 Joules
(*Superman is 107kg according to the DC Wiki. Hands are approximate 1.32% of the body's total mass.)

The amount of energy in Superman's fist when thrown with almost no effort is more than 20 times the energy output of the Sun each second (3.8 x 10^26 Joules).

TLDR - Superman bench pressing the weight of the Earth means he can do the following:

1)Produce over 5.9 x 10^28 Newtons of force (equivalent to 1.95 x 10^23 Hiroshima atomic bombs).

2) Accelerate his arms at a greater rate than 5.51 x 10^24 meters/second^2.

3) Move his arms with a greater velocity than 3.32 x 10^12 meters/second (11,074 times the speed of light).

4) Produce much more than 7.78 x 10^27 Joules of kinetic energy with his fists (more than 20x the energy that the sun puts out each second).

Given this information, Thor does not stand a chance.
LoudLon - 11/30/2012, 2:32 PM
^^^ However, none of that is the norm. In fact there is no norm when it comes to Superman because like most other of DC's heavy hitters, his power-set is frustratingly inconsistent depending on the writer. When first introduced, Superman couldn't fly and was only strong enough to lift a car. Twenty years later he's roughly Hulk strength and can fly at supersonic speeds. Twenty years after that, he's strong enough to bench press a planet and fly at the speed of light. Ten years after that he's given a major reduction in his power set and is back down to Hulk-level strength. And now here we are, in the 2000s, and one writer had him exerting force enough to support...*snicker*...200 quintillion tons???

I don't think so.

The most iconic version of Superman -- in this context, "iconic" meaning most widely recognized -- puts him right around Hulk strength. That is far more easy for me to believe than that this is an ALIEN who can bench press an entire planet for five days straight, which would make him about a million times more powerful than one of the most powerful GODS in comics. That's beyond silly, bordering on divinely clueless. Besides, Superman himself has copped to Martian Manhunter being even more powerful than himself, yet have we ever seen Martian Manhunter perform a feat like lifting 200 quintillion tons? No. Not even close.

So -- again going by the most iconic version of Supes -- you've got a Superman who is strong as the Hulk (so is Thor), who can fly at near the speed of light (so can Thor), who is impervious to most physical attacks (so is Thor) and who has a variety of powers such as heat vision, x-ray vision, super-hearing and freezing breath.

Thor's variety of powers include being able to swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, a warrior rage which increases his abilities ten-fold, the ability to manipulate magic-based lightning for a variety of effects (let us not forget Supes is vulnerable to magic and himself has no energy manipulation abilities), is immortal and has millenias of combat experience.

This is almost a no-brainer.
comiccow6 - 11/30/2012, 3:08 PM
Can Cole McGrath be featured in these polls? He's been in a single live action commercial, and would be cool to see.
gravedigger9906 - 11/30/2012, 3:29 PM
supermans strength is portrayed at different levels because the full extent of his strength has never been accurately measured, wich is the purpose of the bench press thing. he is vunerable to magic attacks wich only means he can be hurt by it. this is another close match, but in a yellow sun enviroment his strength could be limitless. i didnt know thor had that kind of speed, i have never seen it demonstrated, but not a real big thor reader.
kooldeath - 11/30/2012, 5:19 PM
What happened to the abilities page ? I like reading that if I didn't know much about a character , it's where I could compare stats and make a wise choice instead of just voting for someone I liked. I still enjoy these polls but enough with rematches. And how about street lvl characters vs stret lvl characters ..instead of having Batman vs The Silver Surfer and win.. which is bs..
kooldeath - 11/30/2012, 5:21 PM
btw I do'n know who Mad Harriet ,tho i don't know about her..Elektra and Thor would be Superman
AnungUnRama - 11/30/2012, 5:41 PM
I've just recognized that Thor lost to SuperGIRL in these fights. She has literally the same powers as Superman but is obviously less hated and therefore wasn't as much voted against.

Some of the guys Superman beat (in the comics), beat Thor in these fights, too, i. e. Darkseid and Doomsday (I know the first SM DD encouner was a draw, but anyway). It's funny how people complain about one character winning (as they say) becouse of its popularity (e. g. Batman) and then vote for another character becouse of its popularity (e. g. Thor).
LoudLon - 11/30/2012, 6:45 PM
^^^ I'm not that big a fan of Thor in the comics. He's pretty much a one-note character, IMO. But he is one of the most powerful non-cosmic characters (cosmic being the likes of Silver Surfer, Galactus, etc.) in all of Marvel comics, and has been pretty much since his very first appearance. Again, as stated, the guy's a God.

Conversely, I am a fan of Superman's. I simply dislike the severe fluctuation of his power-set as he's passed from one writer to the next. It needs consistency. Either he can fly faster than light or he can't; either he can get smacked around by the Hulk like in Marvel vs DC or he can take Hulk's blows without even flinching like he did in a giant-sized cross-over from the 70s. But there is ZERO consistency with this character, and it's not because the full extent of his strength is unknown, it's because of the god damn writers trying to outdo one another.

This is what I like about Marvel. Some characters aside, their characters' power-sets are pretty much consistent. There's the occasional flair or alteration, but eventually they almost always go back to their most iconic versions. The only ones which immediately come to mind who AREN'T consistently written are the fan-boy favorites -- characters like Wolverine, Punisher, and Deadpool, all of whom have been amped by writers over the years to the point where they're almost god-like. Punisher's a punk-ass thug with a gun, and we're supposed to believe he can kill the entire Marvel Universe? Bitches, please...

At any rate, back to the point I was making before I side-tracked myself, I like Superman better than Thor, but I don't think he can take him.
rottencotten - 11/30/2012, 8:59 PM
wow hot debating tonight, that was enjoyable reading...

Today seems the day for handicaps...

Han Solo & Chewbacca- I'm with @Toby13...I think this duo could out think and therefore out-last Harriet...

Green Hornet & Kato- Looks like I'm voting against the majority in this one...Elektra would focus on GH first because she would know he was weaker and leave herself open from an attack and knock-out by Kato...

Superman- I'm agreeing with Anung and Grave...I hate both these characters with a passion...but if Superman can control Mjolnir it's all over for Thor...

Team Marvel, more importantly Ghost Rider...

Fight Suggestion: Fire vs. Storm
Ichaos - 12/1/2012, 2:06 AM
Why is Thor staring at Superman's shortless crotch?
Ichaos - 12/1/2012, 2:10 AM
@BuckyCap Holy crap you have WAY too much time on your hands. If Superman did all that its only because the writers completely dismissed the laws of physics and not just realy physics but comic book physics as well. How can one bench press that much weight without being on a surface to press against that would have to be who knows how much more mass than the earth itself. and if there was he would push himself through the other surface before being able to push tha tmuch mss
BuckyCap - 12/1/2012, 5:52 AM
@LoudLon - If you are a Superman fan then you should understand that these fluctuations in his power are largely tied to the fact that he never uses his full strength for fear of accidentally killing his opponent. The full extent of his power has never been measured.

You do realize that, post-Crisis, he has held a miniature black hole with one hand? It was described as being 1/1000th of a normal black hole (normal = around 2.0 x 10^31 kilograms), but still would have had a mass of approximately 2.0 × 10^31 grams, 3349 times greater than the mass of the Earth. This means, if anything, that I have greatly underappreciated his abilities.

You are also a bit hypocritical in your assessment of ability for Thor and Superman. You derided my demonstration of Superman's ability based on a recent feat as "abnormal," however, you then add abilities not seen from Thor in many decades, including one that has only ever been seen once.

When was the last time you saw Thor travel beyond light-speed? Why hasn't he swung his hammer twice the speed of light since the last time he was depicted doing so? If you are going to attempt to confine the characters by what they are typically depicted doing, then light-speed movement and 2x light speed swings are out for Thor. You feel, however, that these should be included. You are willing to accept what Thor CAN do, instead of what he normally does, but are not willing to extend the same courtesy to Superman.

I contend that each character should be judged by their extremes (as long as no modifications to the character are made, like Superman Prime One Million). It is where you see the true potential and capabilities of the characters to make an informed judgment on whose limits are higher. Superman did not perform this bench-pressing feat in some obscure graphic novel or alternate-reality. He performed it in his regular monthly series. It counts.

You also used comparative logic by which you insisted that Superman cannot be as strong as I have suggested. If you truly believe that Martian Manhunter is stronger than Superman, then it means he can top what Superman has done, not that Superman can't do what he has already done.

Superman bench pressing the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight would indeed make him much more powerful than Thor. That was the purpose of me discussing it. He isn't incapable of it simply by virtue of Thor being a "god." If there is anything "silly and bordering on divinely clueless," it is insisting that someone cannot do what they have already done because someone else, you perceive as stronger has not or cannot do it. The facts don't change based on your opinion, it's supposed to work the other way around.

I do agree that this is a no-brainer. Superman's ability far-exceeds Thor's.

@ Ichaos - Those were very simple kinematics equations that have been around since Newton. It's just big numbers, not complex mathematics. Superman was in what was essentially an exercise machine when he performed that feat. The machine simulated the weight of the Earth, which could have been done by reproducing the mass of the Earth in normal gravity or by increasing gravity so that a lesser mass has a relative weight of that of the Earth. You are right that Superman should break something that massive before being able to move it, but it is explained in the comics that Superman projects a telekinetic aura around objects, which keeps objects from falling apart/breaking while he holds them.
gravedigger9906 - 12/2/2012, 5:50 PM
@ buckycap exactly! loudlon made an arguement about cap and batman, saying batman could not do what he has already done, deeming it unbelieveable do to "objective logic". completely ignoring that same logic when it comes to caps abilities. cap is his fav and he obviously leans toward marvel with most of these fights.

i knew thor couldnt fly that fast!

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