2012 CBM FightClub WEDNESDAY SUPERBATTLE CCCXVI (316)

Undercard-BLACK WIDOW vs SHADOW | Title Fight-CATWOMAN vs PUNISHER | Rematch-DEATHSTROKE vs SPIDER-MAN | Results for CBM FightClub CXXXIX (139): GREEN ARROW vs PUNISHER | GHOST RIDER vs GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | BLACK WIDOW vs CATWOMAN |

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CBM FightClub CXXXIX (139) results:

[PUNISHER]
GREEN ARROW(27)
vs
PUNISHER(64)

Rank: 74
# of Fights: 8
Win/s: 4

| GREEN ARROW | JONAH HEX | COMEDIAN | V


Loss/es: 4

| BLACK CANARY | GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | MARTIAN MANHUNTER | RA'S AL GHUL

[GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN]
GHOST RIDER(37)
vs
GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN(65)

Rank: 10
# of Fights: 11
Win/s: 9

| HULK | PUNISHER | GHOST RIDER | WAR MACHINE | ICEMAN | BLACK WIDOW | IRON MAN | ELEKTRA | DRACULA


Loss/es: 2

| THOR | SILVER SURFER

[BLACK WIDOW]
BLACK WIDOW(72)
vs
CATWOMAN(33)

Rank: 72
# of Fights: 12
Win/s: 6

| HARLEY QUINN | CATWOMAN | SILK SPECTRE | V | DEADSHOT | PRINCE OF PERSIA


Loss/es: 6

| BLACK CANARY | MERA | GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | CHUN-LI | BLUE BEETLE | STEEL


CBM FightClub Rules

-THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!
-The fights need not be DEATHMATCHES, incapacitating the other fighter/s can be considered a win.
-SEEMINGLY LOPSIDED MATCH MAY OCCUR (just like in comics and movies).
-Fights may consist of individuals, duos or teams.
-Eligible fighters are characters who have adaptations in any form of comics AND movies.
Undercard Fight

Scenario: FIRST MEETING(NO PREP TIME and NO KNOWLEDGE of the other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES).
BLACK WIDOW vs THE SHADOW


[BLACK WIDOW]

Rank: 72
# of Fights: 12
Win/s: 6

| HARLEY QUINN | CATWOMAN | SILK SPECTRE | V | DEADSHOT | PRINCE OF PERSIA


Loss/es: 6

| BLACK CANARY | MERA | GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | CHUN-LI | BLUE BEETLE | STEEL



Click for MYSTIQUE vs SELENE fight
[THE SHADOW]

Rank: 92
# of Fights: 0
Win/s: 0


Loss/es: 0


Title Fight

Scenario:CHANCE ENCOUNTER (NO PREP TIME but has KNOWLEDGE of other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

CATWOMAN vs PUNISHER

[CATWOMAN]

Rank: 78
# of Fights: 4
Win/s: 2

| MYSTIQUE | HIT-GIRL


Loss/es: 2

| BLACK WIDOW | CAPTAIN AMERICA



Click for WAR MACHINE vs WITCHBLADE fight
[PUNISHER]

Rank: 74
# of Fights: 8
Win/s: 4

| GREEN ARROW | JONAH HEX | COMEDIAN | V


Loss/es: 4

| BLACK CANARY | GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN | MARTIAN MANHUNTER | RA'S AL GHUL


Rematch

Scenario: PLANNED BOUTS (has PREP TIME and full KNOWLEDGE of opponent's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

DEATHSTROKE vs SPIDER-MAN

[DEATHSTROKE]

Rank: 276
# of Fights: 12
Win/s: 3

| NICK FURY | WHIPLASH | STICK


Loss/es: 9

| SPIDER-MAN | DR STRANGE | SILVER SURFER | AZAZEL | LADY DEATHSTRIKE | HOGUN THE GRIM | SNAKE-EYES | GHOST RIDER | CAPTAIN AMERICA



Click for DARKSEID vs WARRIORS THREE fight
[SPIDER-MAN]

Rank: 229
# of Fights: 16
Win/s: 7

| DEATHSTROKE | BANE | CYBORG | BLUE BEETLE | ATOM | SNAKE-EYES | MARV


Loss/es: 9

| FLASH | CAPTAIN MARVEL | WONDER WOMAN | DOOMSDAY | LOBO | BLACK CANARY | BATMAN | GREEN LANTERN GUY GARDNER | SPAWN


2012 Marvel Civil War

Scenario: A free-for-all fight of the TOP 15 qualified ClubFighters. They are in their "regular" peak condition with access to their regular gadgets and resources.


Rank #275

Mr Fantastic
Rank #230

Wolverine
Rank #157

Abomination
Rank #132

Beast
Rank #74

Punisher
Rank #73

Colossus
Rank #46

Green Goblin
Rank #39

Thing
Rank #33

Gambit
Rank #33

Human Torch
Rank #32

Dr Octopus
Rank #30

Daredevil
Rank #23

Bullseye
Rank #18

War Machine
Rank #13

Cyclops

Ranking is based on the character's current standing on CBM FightClub


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LoudLon - 12/12/2012, 1:48 AM
Black Widow vs The Shadow - The Shadow takes this. With his ability to mentally hide himself from others, he can "vanish" before BW's eyes and clock her a hundred different ways from Sunday. The Shadow by clean knock-out.

Catwoman vs Punisher -- Selina Kyle would kick Castle's ass so hard he'd burp farts for a month. 'Nuff said.

Deathstroke vs Spider-Man -- Physically DS can't compete, so he'd have to rely on his strategic abilities -- which, with this being a previous knowledge/rematch situation, Spidey would know to stay on his toes and expect the unexpected. Besides, it's hard to prep against a guy who can sense any traps or attacks before they happen. There may be a couple close calls, but I can't envision a scenario where Spidey doesn't ultimately win this fight.
AnungUnRama - 12/12/2012, 3:19 AM
#1: Agree on this one. Shadow takes it
#2: Sorry, have to disagree. I think Punisher with all his weapons and all his special military training I think he takes this one
#3: Agree on this one.
Minato - 12/12/2012, 8:03 AM
Nat
Frank
Slade
jojofmd - 12/12/2012, 8:50 AM
Fight #1-Shadow's abilities give him the edge.
Fight #2- While Catwoman has amazing abilities, Frank is a great strategist/tactician and isn't any slouch in fighting. Plus given his pain tolerance I don't seem him slowing down, so given that and his arsenal he has the edge.
Fight #3- Deathstroke is the greatest tactician in the DC universe. So he's akin to an evil batman, with prep. That being said, he has the abilities and skills that are like, if not greater than Captain America. Hasn't Cap beaten Spidey? I know Loudlon you have voted for Cap over Spidey so why wouldn't Deathstroke do the same? For those who didn't get it, those questions are rhetorical. So an evil Cap that can prep like Batman and has been shown to take down an entire version of the JLA. While I hate to admit it and while Spidey sense does give Spiderman an advantage it can be overcome. He could overwhelm his sense so while he could avoid a few attacks, he wouldn't/couldn't avoid them all. So given these points, Deathstroke wins in a close match.
jojofmd - 12/12/2012, 8:51 AM
Oh, and radiobox, you have the class of a drunken ogre on crack.
Pokeysteve - 12/12/2012, 11:00 AM
Don't know who Shadow is.
Castle murders her easily unless they start off close (one of the more important specifics these leave out).
Leaning towards Spidey. Slade is great with prep but so is Pete. He could just quadruple the strength of his webbing here. Or the Iron Spider Suit. So many possibilities.

And Slade beating the Justice League was crap. Wally runs into his sword.......ok.
LoudLon - 12/12/2012, 11:29 AM
@jojo -- I think Cap's strategic/tactical abilities are greater than Deathstroke's, but for the sake of argument, let's call them dead even.

But while Deathstroke also has enhanced strength and reaction time, he's still far from the ultimate physical specimen that Cap is, whose every single ability is at the peak of human ability. So while DS might be just as strong as Cap and have equally fast reflexes, there's still the question of his speed of movement, agility, equilibrium, etc. And let's not forget he doesn't have Cap's shield, either. But even if he did, he wouldn't have Cap's ability to use it either offensively or defensively as well as Cap can simply due to sheer lack of experience wielding it.

At any rate, I didn't say this would be an easy fight for Spidey; I did say there would likely be a couple of close calls, mostly thanks to DS's strategic/tactical capabilities. But he still lacks a number of the core abilities which enable someone like Cap to go the distance against someone like Spider-Man.

And let's not forget that DS, like many of DC's characters, is inconsistently written in regards to abilities. He can take out the entire JLA in one case, and in another he has trouble handling Nightwing? I ain't hatin' or anything, but if DC writers would only get on board with one another and agree on characters' abilities without trying to one-up (or even one-down) one another, maybe there wouldn't be so much wild speculation in these matches.
GuardianDevil - 12/12/2012, 11:41 AM
Agreed that Cap is far more of a greater tactian than Slade. Spidey's strength and abilities/powers would overwhelm Slade. His strength is far greater and I agree he could knock Slade's head right off.
GuardianDevil - 12/12/2012, 11:51 AM
@loudlon
How would Catwoman kick the crap out of Frank? Not bashing you or anything just wanna hear your reasoning.
GuardianDevil - 12/12/2012, 12:16 PM
I think u guys underestimate Punisher, where did the idea that he's just a simple thug come from? Hes a marine, he was on the S.W.A.T. team, he was on elite forces. Catwoman is cool, but she's not nearly as skilled as Frank, she's no soldier. She's essentially a heavily watered down female version of Batman, a simple burglar.
dgill - 12/12/2012, 1:38 PM
Punisher vs. Catwoman.

Basically 2 normal humans with hopped up skills. I see no reason to believe that either one of them has some sort of edge in a chance encounter. So they know each other's strengths and weaknesses, right? She knows he's a murdering thug who can and has killed people with greater strength than her. He know's that she's very skilled up close and that he may not be able to lay a finger on her.

If the fight doesn't START close up, I see her beating feet- she has no reason to fight him THERE in that WAY. If it DID start close up, I see it being 50/50. Remember, chance encounter could mean accidental face off.
LoudLon - 12/12/2012, 2:33 PM
Castle has military training. I was in the military (US Army, Infantry, with Air Assault Wings, EIB and qualified expert with every weapon I was trained on) and contrary to what his bio may say:

1. Soldiers, even elite insurgent forces, are not trained in multiple forms of martial arts, and are definitely not trained to have mastered multiple styles.

2. S.W.A.T. and special unit forces are trained to work as a team, not as a one-man-army. This is the stuff of pure fiction and action movies.

3. Soldiers, unless they're officers with decades of experience, are not automatically master of strategy and combat tactics simply by having been soldiers.

Punisher is an experienced soldier, but -- like Batman -- he's been built up to basically superhuman levels to explain why the character can run against super-powered criminals. But unlike Batman, Punisher isn't "peak condition." He's tough, sure, but his military training doesn't make him a master of EVERYTHING.

Catwoman, meanwhile, is one of the few characters to have ever beaten Batman in a straight up fight -- and that she's a woman makes that all the more commendable. So if you're saying Punisher can beat Catwoman, you're saying Punisher can beat Batman. And I'm pretty sure even a passive Batman fan (not counting the deluded fanboys) will agree that just ain't gonna happen. And while this is a random encounter, it's also a previous knowledge encounter, meaning Catwoman will know to stay within arm's reach of him so she can disarm him and pick him apart, and he's not at her level of physical skill to keep her at the kind of range he'd need to get a clean shot off.

With prep time, maybe I'd give it to Punisher. Maybe. But his fighting skills, when compared to someone like Catwoman, Batman, Daredevil, Captain America, Iron Fist, etc., are still basically at thug-level. These are people who decimate their opponents with nothing more than their bare hands, for the most part, who can dodge gunfire at point blank range (not that they need to, considering they can disarm an opponent before he's even pulled his piece) and who are at the peak of what their body is capable of (save for Cap, who's at the peak of what ANY body is capable of). Even a well-trained soldier can't compete with that.
gravedigger9906 - 12/12/2012, 6:19 PM
i'm not trying to start an arguement here, but Loudlon i very similar to the fanboys he dislikes so much. he is to cap what fanboys are to batman, in his opinion, cap never loses. very biased. he also has a strong dislike for punisher, although i agree with his post on catwoman, he seems harsh on who he doesnt like and cap can do no wrong. ds and cap are basically identical. i'll go one further and say ds can beat cap.

ds has the strength of 10 men, cap is only peak human strength, even 1 peak human cant out lift 10 average men. his speed and agility are on par with cap. he uses more of his brain than the average person. that means if cap is as smart or strategically capable as the best a human can be, ds is more intelligent and strategically superior. even cap doesnt use a greater portion of his brain, only as much as a human can.

so as i said, not trying to start an arguement, but even someone as knowledgable as loudlon, as much as he claims to be fair and logical, still leans towards his favs and against those he dislikes. so it kinda makes me sick to hear ppl complain about fanboys when we really all are or we wouldnt be here discussing comic characters.
unknownfacts - 12/12/2012, 7:04 PM
I'm on the fence with most of the fighters today. If Black Widow is as haunted by her past as in the movie the Shadow might be able to win but Widow no slouch in close or long range combat.Catwoman and Punisher is the same way both are excellent at close and long range,though Punisher may have the upper hand at long range since he's a skilled sniper.But I don't see either wining or losing easily.

When it comes to the Deathstroke vs Spiderman this is extremely difficult.I remember reading that Spiderman spider senses can be nullified and if Deathstroke procures that device then Spidey's dead.I know Spiderman a good fighter but that really only due to his Spider sense. Yes he super strong and agile, but that's not going to help when bullets are invovled so I'm going to go with Deathstroke for the win.
rottencotten - 12/12/2012, 8:41 PM
Make Mine Marvel today...

Black Widow- A little knock-out gas from her bracelets should do the trick...

Punisher- Catwoman would be unprotected and Frank would know she was a criminal...nothing more...and probably just kill her...The only reason she beat Batman was because he has a vow not to kill or use guns...Hence why Castle would own her...

Spiderman- Peter is too smart to not know Slade will try to attack his spider-sense...Any good hero knows their weaknesses and Parker would make sure no disruption happened...As fast as DS is...Spidey is faster and would web his ass up then beat the shit out of him...

Gambit for the battle...For those saying Wolverine wins...Gambit can charge anything that isn't organic...meaning Logan's metal skeleton...Remy would blow his ass up like he did in the Ultimates...
LoudLon - 12/12/2012, 9:24 PM
@gravedigger -- no worries. But I'd like to clarify:

While Cap is indeed my favorite comics character, I have nevertheless voted against him many times in these bouts. But I don't see a man who is the ultimate human specimen, with an eidetic memory and a brain with thought synapses so efficient that he can drop a dozen strategies in the blink of an eye and adjust them to adapt to any situation just as quickly and efficiently, and who can memorize the moves of every opponent he faces (again, eidetic memory) and know what moves they're going to make before they make them, losing against any other human-level opponent. I think I explained my thoughts on the differences between Cap and DS well enough; DS is enhanced in SOME ways, Cap is enhanced in EVERY way. That's why he can fight someone like Spider-Man to a standstill (though he has actually bested Spidey in the past on at least one occasion) and it's why I don't think DS has near as good a chance against Spidey.

Again, no worries -- I'm not insulted -- but I'm not blindly allegiant to my favorite comic character(s). I always approach these fights objectively. My reasons might not always make sense to everyone, but I do put thought into them, and they make sense to me.

Even with guys like Punisher. No, I don't like him very much. In fact, I don't like him at all. I think he's a poor example of a "hero" and I don't understand why so many people are such big fans of his. The same goes for Wolverine, Venom, Deadpool and many others I completely loathe. And while I have voted against all of these characters, I have also voted for them at varying points -- with the exception of Deadpool, whose bouts I refuse to participate in, for reasons too long and aggravating to get into right this second. :D
LoudLon - 12/12/2012, 9:29 PM
Incidentally, if you're getting the "strong as ten men" thing from the linked bio, note it also says that means DS can lift about 800 lbs. Cap can lift upwards of 1,200 or more, making him at least 50% stronger. And that's IF you accept that ten men can only lift 800 lbs LOL

Personally, I don't pay much attention to the attached bios, to be honest. I trust my memory of all the comics I've read over the last 30+ years, and no offense to Witness, but those bios are often far from accurate. :/
GuardianDevil - 12/12/2012, 11:02 PM
@Loudlon
Quick question, I understand that all people have opinions and I'm in no position to say mine is better then yours. But what is it specifically that you don't like about Venom, Deadpool, etc.? Cuz they're killers? Cuz they do bad things for good causes? Not bashing, just interested.
LoudLon - 12/13/2012, 3:11 AM
As with gravedigger, no worries. You ask a question, I've no problem answering it. Also like I told gravedigger, my explanations may not make sense to you, but they do make sense to me. Though I understand I'm a lot less forgiving and far more peculiar than most LOL

Venom -- because there's nothing all that special about him. He was bodybuilder with a hate-on for Spider-Man who happened to come into possession of the symbiote suit which could mimic Spider-Man's powers. Okay. And? What, Spider-Man hadn't battled evil versions of himself before? More powerful opponents? More crafty opponents who also knew and exploited Spidey's secret identity? Opponents who tested him in ways far more invasive and threatening than Venom ever did? Venom's a one-note character, not at all original and nowhere near the threat so many other of Spider-Man's enemies are, yet because he wears a cool black suit and has a razor blade smile, people eat him up. Sorry, but I require more in a primary villain besides "We're gonna eat the flesh off your bones, slobber slobber drool drool." Like I said: one-note.

Deadpool -- call me a purist, but I don't see Deadpool as a comic book character. I see him as a cartoon character. Buggs Bunny with swords and pistols. And I don't think cartoon characters have a place in comic books because where cartoons have no rules pertaining to their own fanciful reality, comic book universes do. They may be universes populated with ridiculously powerful peeople, but they still have rules. Because Deadpool is not bound to exist by those rules like every single other character in the MU, his very existence within it trivializes and even nullifies the existence of not only every other character in the MU, but the investment we dedicated readers have placed in that comic universe for years, and in some cases (such as mine) decades.

Now, while Deadpool isn't the first character to break the fourth wall or opine about being a fictional character in a Marvel comic book, most other times it occurred during some title's joke/filler issue, just something the bullpen liked to do once in a blue moon to shake things up a bit. But in a series that's supposed to be canon? Again, it trivializes the entire MU for this character to have that awareness.

If Marvel must have this character, fine -- but put him in his own separate universe and keep him the [frick] out of MU canon.
gravedigger9906 - 12/13/2012, 5:16 PM
@ loudlon fair enough, i disagree when it comes to deathstroke, but thats ok, its what this is about. i didnt get the strength of 10 men thing from the bio, but it doesnt sound accurate if it say 800 lbs. if an average man could only lift 100 lbs, that would still make it 1000 lbs. i was actually thinking bench press, but whatever. thanx for your opinions, i understand what you mean by your thoughts making sense to you, thats how i feel too.

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