2012 CBM FightClub MONDAY SUPERBATTLE CCCXXXV (335)

DC sweep today, supes, jonn and mxy win this

Another thing that big fight would really interesting if Doc M wasn't included. It'd be the battle of the century, but it's unfair because that guy is pretty much unbeatable.

No Doc M included, fight ends up like this.

1. Batman dies, he's a human. Most of the others are superhuman.
2. Captain America dies, similar reasons as Batman but he would outlast him.
3. Deadpool gets tossed into space by Hulk or someone else who gets annoyed by him.
4. Spider-Man dies, he's real tough. But he's outmatched by these other guys.
5. Loki dies, he's an Asgardian. But he's not a god like Thor.
6. Flash & Invisible Woman die. They are powerful and they both have similar powers I guess but it's not like they can't be defeated by some of these heavyweights.
7. Silver Surfer & Green Lantern die, they both TECHNICALLY have greater power than most of the people on here, but Thor has beaten Surfer many times. And Wonder Woman beat GL, plus Doomsday beat a whole group of Lanterns.

After that Doomsday & Hulk go head to head and I say Hulk comes out on top, while Wonder Woman and Thor figure that Strange is too powerful and try to team up and combine their knowledge of magic to defeat Strange. I don't know how it would end up though.
Hulk, Thor, Doc Strange, Wonder Woman are last ones standing. If Doc M is not involved.

2 for 3 for DC today.

@Fenix122, Not trying to start anything but Surfer would own Thor more often than not. And I agree with you about Thor & MM being Top 2.

And speaking of SS.He's a more powerful and more experienced force than the still fashionable Dr Manhattan. Anyone who really knows their comics knows this.

Thanos vs Superman -- not sure where Thanos got this insane power boost, but a few issues here and there aside, he's always been in the 50-ton strength level range and his energy manipulation powers weren't near as God-like. He's powerful, yes -- even for a Titan -- but not THAT powerful. His cunning and intelligence were always his greatest attributes, but what people seem to forget (or choose to forget) is that has been establishec concretely that Thanos will ALWAYS lose because he knows deep down, he doesn't DESERVE to win. It's called a character flaw, and it's kind of a big thing. Like Batman refusing to take a life. Thanos would likely get a couple decent shots in but ultimately, Supes would beat him down.

Martian Manhunter vs Thor: oh, man, I'd love to see this fight. This would be even better than Thor vs Superman, because I'm of the opinion that MM could take Superman apart if he really, really wanted to, making him a much better match for Thor. Thor would be immune to MM's telepathy (as a deity he's immune to such attacks except from those of other deities); MM's Martian vision wouldn't be a factor, because Thor has flown through stars; MM's invisibility probably wouldn't matter because of Thor's cosmic-level senses; MM's shape-shifting likely wouldn't matter either for the same reasons. But on the same token, MM could probably handle any energy or magical attack Thor were to bring down on him. Which means this comes down to a straight on fist-fight. Honestly, they're both so insanely powerful that I can't envision a clear victor. I see them wrekcing planets and tearing holes in space, but I can't see one definitively coming out on top. That equates to a draw for me, which means I didn't vote.

Mr. Fantastic vs Mr. Mxzpytlk -- the prep time thing is going to be the deciding factor here, and with Reed's super-genius, there's no limit to what he can't prep. He'll know Mr. M's powers are all magic-based and will devise some gizmo (or maybe have Human Torch fetch him The Ultimate Nullifier again). I don't think Mr. Mxzpytlk will know what hit him.

Incidentally -- I DO know my comics, and while SS is vastly, vastly powerful, there's no way he's more powerful than Doc Manhattan. Can Surfer put himself together after being blown to atoms? Nope. Can he create life? Nope. Does he exist on multiple physical and quantum levels at once? Nope. Can he create autonomous duplicates of himself? Nope. Also, how is Manhattan fashionable when he's only appeared in two comics series in the last 25 years?

Surfer's great and he's one of my favorite Marvel characters, but if anybody can take him out, it's Doc Manhattan.

Thanos vs Superman.Superman wins.Since Superman has gone up against the like of Darkside and more recently Helspont,cosmic level villian in Thanos's league.I believe he could take him it wont be easy,but he can pull off the win.

Martain Manhunter vs Thor.Hard call this fight can go either way.I'm leaning more toward Martain Manhunter because he once held his own against the Justice League which at the time consisted of Superman,Wonder Woman,and Green Lanturn.But Thor is one tough opponent not to be taken lightly.I go with Thor more likely to win.

Mr.Fantastic vs Mr.Mix-See-Spit-Lick(For those who has never heard his name before).Reed wins hands down no contest.Why you might ask?Well the only why to beat him is to get him to say his name backwards.Plus Imps from the 5th demension aren't allowed to kill only play comsmic level pranks on people.

And for the battle royal if Dr Manhattan was taken out of the eqautian.It would be Doomsday for the win.Hulk might be strong but he would only make Doomsday stronger.He evovles after ever death or near death experience.His body would evovle away to kill the Hulk then after that game over for every one.

I meant *realm

Thor is actually a "minor god." Note the lack of capitalization in the noun "god" as opposed to the name "God." In Norse mythology, Odin is, for all intents and purposes, the equivalent of "God." In Norse mythology, he is all-powerful -- just as Zeus is all-powerful in Greek mythology and Jupiter is all-powerful in Roman mythology.

But this is where things get tricky. The ancient Nord, Greek and Roman mythologies didn't begin oh those many millenia ago with the knowledge that thousands of years later, their respective all-powerful Gods would go on to appear together in the same comic universe. But how can a universe have three all-powerful Gods? That's when the comic writer decides they CAN'T be all-powerful because that's just a ridiculous contradition, so they come up with another God even more powerful than them. But another comic writer has the same idea, then suddenly you have two more "more powerful than all-powerful" Gods, so you have to create another even more powerful all-powerful God above THEM. And that's when characters like The InBetweener and The living Tribunal and The Celestials and the Elder Gods etc, etc, etc come in. Before you know it, the concept of a single all-powerful, omniscient God loses all meaning.

But I digress. Back to Thor.

Like most minor gods, Thor's powers are specific to certain generalized areas: thunder, lightning, strength. So while he may be fast, he's not as fast as Hermod, the Norse god of speed. Or while he may be able to call down rain, his ability to do so isn't on the level of Frey, the Norse god of rain. He's the ultimate authority in his particular areas, the only person being more powerful than him in those areas being Odin, who gave him the powers in the first place and can just as easily take them away. And it's pretty much the same way in most other pantheons, as well. Each have gods of specific things, but none are as powerful in those specific areas as their respective all-powerful Gods. So Odin -- or Zeus, or Jupiter -- would be the equivalent of The President delegating duties to the senators and governors beneath him.

Whew. Okay. Bear with me, I promise this is going somewhere.

Now. The closest thing to an actual all-powerful God that I've seen in comics is Doc Manhattan. The key differences between the two being:

1. Doc is not omniscient. He sees only his own past, present and future, but appears incapable of altering any of them.

2. Doc chooses to routinely present himself and walk among mankind in physical form. However, considering that he exists on a quantum level, his physical form is more for show than anything, and doesn't really serve any real purpose -- as witnessed by the fact that after his physical body was disintegrated, Doc continued to exist without it.

4. His ability to see the future can be disrupted by tachyons (theoretical particles which travel backward in time; the fact that they have not been proven to actually exist is beside the point).

3. Unlike God, Doc's every word, deed or judgment is not perfect in and of itself. He makes mistakes. Sometimes his emotions affect his judgment.

And that's pretty much where the differences end. Like God, Doc can create like; erase life; transmutate matter; atoms are putty in his hands, entire spectrums of energies and frequencies are his to play with, he doesn't age and while his body may not be indestructible, his id and conscience are and don't require a body to survive.

I write all this 1) to address the question regarding whether or Doc could destroy a minor god like Thor, and 2) I have a whole lot of time on my hands LOL But ultimately, finally, I think the answer is yes -- Doc Manhattan could just as easily blink someone like Thor out of existence as he could any ol' joe off the street. Because keep in mind that though he's a minor god, Thor is still a physical being. He has a body comprised of flesh, bone and blood. It's highly resistant to physical injury, but it's still a body. And bodies are made of atoms and molecules -- which are merely two of the countless things Doc Manhattan has complete mastery of.

So, yeah. I'd say Doc could easily kill Thor. And sorry for the really long poast, but, like I said -- whole lotta time on my hands. :P

^^^ Jeez. A big, fat no-prize to the first guy to count all my misspells.

So embarrassed...

Also, i want to point out that the ranking system here seems totally out of whack. WW is ranked number 1 and HULK is number 8? I dont see that happening at all, and spidey being 229?! where as people like GL, Sue Storm and Batman are all ranked under number 20? I haveta say. i dont know if these match ups have been very fair. Hulk is easily number 1, pit him up against WW and lets see who wins.

With no prep I think Superman can stop Thanos.

Xavier was able to put Thor to sleep. Manhunter can do the same.

Reed can make Mxy say his name backwards. An actual serious fight though Mxy wins after playing with him.

wow major discussion today...

I'll take all the ones on the left...

Thanos- Unless Kent has developed some sort of telepathy blocker...he's toast...(I haven't read supes since the '90s...)

Martian Manhunter- I agree with the majority... I would love to see this match happen...I think what ultimately wins this for Jonn is his ability to stay calm in intense situations...Once Thor became frustrated because he couldn't easily defeat MM he would turn-on his warrior's rage, and in this match, that is where he loses...His rage will consume him like Wolverine's Berserker...This allows MM to think more clearly and easily KO a rage-blinded Thor...

Mr. Fantastic- Way too easy for Reed to manipulate Mr. Mxzpytlk into saying his name backward...

Green Lantern: Hal Jordan for the battle...You people are ape-shit crazy if you think an erratic Hulk can beat the Emerald Knight...

Thanos , Thor and Reed..Thanos is immortal and Superman wouldn't kill him but Thanos will have no problem killing Supes . Thanos is can lift up to 100 ton and beyond..at least it's what the old cards says..when they did them in the 90's

Thor wins this.

And if Superman can out think the imp Reed can do it without trying and completing 5 of his gadgets at the same time. He has dealt with the Impossible Man ..which is basically Marvels version of Mxzy .

And to the one that said surfer can't create life ..he has in the books he has restored life with the power cosmic.. it just depends on the writers and stories they come up with.he is a master rearranging molecules and creating things. at least in some stories.

@SpideyQuad

Happy to oblige :)

UniBeam11 - Classicly funny (and a bit sad that's how many see it).

A great way to end the year on one of my favorite sections of the website.

This section more than any shows everyone's passion regardless of your tastes!

Again happy new year to all you guys. Hoping 2013 CBM's all knocked the ball out of the park.

@unknown -- no, no offense taken at all. You just got me thinking about Doc and Thor facing off, which in turn got me thinking about the differences between "a" god and "the" God, which in turn lead to the representations of gods and God in various comic book universes.

I just happen to do a lot of my thinking with a keyboard, and if I'm not careful I'll just go and and on and on...as folks can plainly see above LOL