2013 CBM FightClub MONDAY SUPERBATTLE CCCXLII (342)

Undercard-BEAST vs DARTH MAUL | Title Fight-GABRIEL vs MAN-THING | Rematch-DR DOOM vs DR MANHATTAN | Results for CBM FightClub CLXV (165): CATWOMAN vs MYSTIQUE | BEAST vs HAWKMAN | MAN-THING vs MARTIAN MANHUNTER |

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CBM FightClub CLXV (165) results:

[CATWOMAN]
CATWOMAN(602)
vs
MYSTIQUE(454)

Rank: 48
# of Fights: 5
Win/s: 3

| MYSTIQUE | HIT-GIRL | SHADOWCAT


Loss/es: 2

| BLACK WIDOW | CAPTAIN AMERICA

[BEAST]
BEAST(100)
vs
HAWKMAN(87)

Rank: 101
# of Fights: 5
Win/s: 2

| HAWKMAN | SPOCK


Loss/es: 3

| MARTIAN MANHUNTER | DR MANHATTAN | BRAINIAC 5

[MARTIAN MANHUNTER]
MAN-THING(23)
vs
MARTIAN MANHUNTER(123)

Rank: 20
# of Fights: 8
Win/s: 6

| BEAST | PUNISHER | MAN-THING | SILVER SURFER | WAR MACHINE | IRON MAN


Loss/es: 2

| HULK | MEPHISTO


CBM FightClub Rules

-THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!
-The fights need not be DEATHMATCHES, incapacitating the other fighter/s can be considered a win.
-SEEMINGLY LOPSIDED MATCH MAY OCCUR (just like in comics and movies).
-Fights may consist of individuals, duos or teams.
-Eligible fighters are characters who have adaptations in any form of comics AND movies.
Undercard Fight

Scenario: FIRST MEETING(NO PREP TIME and NO KNOWLEDGE of the other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES).
BEAST vs DARTH MAUL


[BEAST]

Rank: 101
# of Fights: 5
Win/s: 2

| HAWKMAN | SPOCK


Loss/es: 3

| MARTIAN MANHUNTER | DR MANHATTAN | BRAINIAC 5



Click for CAPTAIN AMERICA vs CATWOMAN fight
[DARTH MAUL]

Rank:
# of Fights: 0
Win/s: 0


Loss/es: 0


Title Fight

Scenario:CHANCE ENCOUNTER (NO PREP TIME but has KNOWLEDGE of other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

GABRIEL vs MAN-THING

[GABRIEL]

Rank:
# of Fights: 0
Win/s: 0


Loss/es: 0



Click for DAREDEVIL vs DOC SAVAGE fight
[MAN-THING]

Rank: 241
# of Fights: 3
Win/s: 0


Loss/es: 3

| MARTIAN MANHUNTER | ZATANNA | CONSTANTINE


Rematch

Scenario: PLANNED BOUTS (has PREP TIME and full KNOWLEDGE of opponent's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

DR DOOM vs DR MANHATTAN

[DR DOOM]

Rank: 204
# of Fights: 4
Win/s: 1

| SWAMP THING


Loss/es: 3

| DR MANHATTAN | DR FATE | ISIS



Click for ABOMINATION vs SWAMP THING fight
[DR MANHATTAN]

Rank: 8
# of Fights: 10
Win/s: 9

| DR DOOM | IRON MAN | SILVER SURFER | HULK | BEAST | LOKI | MEPHISTO | SPAWN | PHOENIX


Loss/es: 1

| ODIN


2013 All Hell Breaks Loose

Scenario: A Free-For-All fight of the TOP 15 qualified ClubFighters. Qualified Fighters includes the previous year's six (6) winners of the daily Free-For-All Fights excluding Monday, and the remaining nine (9) are the Top Fighters based on the CBM ranking sans Ultimate CBM Fighter/s. They are in their regular peak condition with access to their regular gadgets and resources.


Rank #253

Iron Man
Rank #199

Wolverine
Rank #39

Emma Frost
Rank #34

Vampirella
Rank #29

Isis
Rank #14

Supergirl
Rank #9

Silver Surfer
Rank #9

Hulk
Rank #7

Dr Fate
Rank #6

Flash
Rank #5

Batman
Rank #4

Black Canary
Rank #2

Captain America
Rank #2

Thor
Rank #1

Wonder Woman

Ranking is based on the character's current standing on CBM FightClub

2012 ULTIMATE CBM FIGHTER
DR MANHATTAN
(1217 votes)
#2 INVISIBLE WOMAN (543 votes)
#3 HULK (516 votes)
#4 THOR (415 votes)
#5 SILVER SURFER (390 votes)
#6 BATMAN (327 votes)
#7 DEADPOOL (94 votes)
#8 DOOMSDAY (89 votes)
#9 CAPTAIN AMERICA (77 votes)
#10 SPIDER-MAN (69 votes)
#11 DR STRANGE (66 votes)
#12 GREEN LANTERN HAL JORDAN (63 votes)
#13 WONDER WOMAN (59 votes)
#14 FLASH (42 votes)
#15 LOKI (40 votes)

*Ultimate CBM Fighter is promoted to HALL OF FAME and is no longer eligible to join any Free-for-all Fights.

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LoudLon - 1/7/2013, 12:21 AM
1st fight - movie character, don't care

2nd fight - I can honestly say I have never read an issue of Hellblazer, so I have no idea of Gabriel's abilities. I know he's an angel, but I don't know what attributes angels are given in that series because, again, I've never read it.

Dr. Doom vs Dr. Manhattan -- the easy choice would be Manhattan, but think about it. With knowledge and prep time, Doom battled, defeated and stole the power of The Beyonder, who was basically God in his universe (this was before Beyonder was retconned to being something less, despite it being obvious in Secret Wars that he was omnipotent in his universe). With previous knowledge Doom would know Doc's ability to see his own future can be blocked with tachyons; with previous knowledge he'd know Doc can be emotionally manipulated; with prep he could devise a machine to steal Doc's power -- just like he did with The Beyonder -- but unlike Ozymandias, it wouldn't take him 20 years to do it (it took him only a matter of days to formulate a plan and create a devise to defeat The Beyonder). Doom isn't one to be trifled with, not even by someone with God-like powers.
GuardianDevil - 1/7/2013, 12:53 AM

@Witness
Dont know if Maul's inclusion is due to my suggestion, anyway thanks!! :)

1. Darth Maul wins-Beast would be taken out by only side of the lightsaber, Maul wouldnt even need to use both sides or even use his powers.

2. Man-Thing wins, if Man-Thing could go toe-to-toe with Hulk then he can take out an angel. If I remember correctly Gabe becomes mortal if the wings are ripped off. Man-Thing could shred those wings easily.

3. Doc Manhattan wins, Doom can do amazing things with prep, but I doubt that he could take out Manhattan.

It's Hulk for the fight, there isn't anyone on there that wouldnt get smashed.
AnungUnRama - 1/7/2013, 3:27 AM
#1: Darth Maul. Beast will be slized.
#2: Tough one. Not sure about that. Leaning towards Gabriel
#3: Doc Manhattan takes this one. I think there are some people e. g. Reed Richard in the Marvel Universe who are smarter even smarter than Doom. Ozymandias on the other hand is defined as the smartest man in the world. So I doubt Doom would do better than Ozy. Beside that: Ozy tricked DM, yes, but it was not in a fight. His attempt to defeat DM failed so he wouldn't have one if those events would have been a cbm fc fight. So DM for the win
SpideyQuad - 1/7/2013, 6:13 AM
I strongly disagree with you guys on the Beast. I wasn't impressed with Maul in that horrible movie. Ironically the character is from a movie but couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag, but I digress.

The Beast is way stronger than his opponent, much much more agile, and I'm pretty sure vastly superior intellectually. Good luck trying to touch him with those light sabers. I believe the misconception of Hank always being portrayed as a nice person takes away from The perception his real capabilities. oh yeah, I didn't even mention his heighten the senses or his healing ability (which was on par with Wolverines in his gray incarnation).

As far as the third fight, I agree with loudon. Doom more than anybody, with the exception of maybe Reed Richards, what have an excellent chance of defeating Manhattan. Manhattan's main weakness in my estimations is his complacency. If he perceived the threat he would be tough to defeat, but one of Dr. dooms best strengths is his guile.
LoudLon - 1/7/2013, 8:16 AM
I'd argue that Doom is more intelligent than Richards. He's mastered artificial intelligence (Doombots), created time machines, artificially recreated the Power Cosmic for Terrax (a herald Galactus stripped of his power) and can transfer his conscience into another body (a trick he picked up from the Oivods). Richards gets the more credit, but I think Doom has proven himself intellectually superior a number of times.
SpideyQuad - 1/7/2013, 9:55 AM
Loud, a good point. Doom Seems to suffer from the fact he is single-minded. Obsesses over his mother's death. The need to impress upon everybody his own superiority. An Inability To work with others.

One could argue these flaws keep him from reaching his full potential. Plus his goals are selfish in nature.

In many ways a polar opposite to Reed.

If you wanted to compare the two, I suppose you could come to the conclusion that Reed could be better analytically, based on his recognizing Dooms error in trying to contact his mother. Dr. doom may be more open-minded than Reed based on his mother's background as a gypsy and mystic.
SpideyQuad - 1/7/2013, 9:56 AM
Beatnation, I'll grant you that… Guilty as charged
dgill - 1/7/2013, 9:57 AM
Everyone seems to forget this about Dr. Doom. He's also well versed in the mystical arts. We have yet to determine if those have impact on Doc. Manhattan.

LoudLon and I are in agreement for once.
unknownfacts - 1/7/2013, 10:54 AM
Beast vs Darth Maul.Maul would ultimatly win but Beast would give him a good run for his money.Beast is smarter and stronger then Maul but their speed and agility maybe equal.Maul only wins because the Force give him long range abilities.

Gabriel vs Man Thing.Gabriel is an angel and Man Thing only seeks out bad emotions.So my two working theories is A)Gab being an angel and all doesn't give off the bad vibes ManThing needs to attack him.Thus a technical vitory for Gab.Or B)Because Gab an angel he's connected to the ultimate goodness in the universe his action are excuse by higher powers so that they don't give off the bad vibes Man Thing needs to fight him.

DrDoom vs DrManhattan.The DrDoom inventing thing sounds to much like the Batman beating Silver Surfer with prep time thing.I know I going to take alot of flak for that but that just my honest oppinion.I know DrDoom is one of the most smartest men in the Marvel universe and can come up with some of the most advance tech that even rivals Stark tech,but common.He was tricked by the Beyonder into thinking he stole his powers.Also every time he tries to gain more power it always ends in failer because of his mother issues and arrogance.DrManhattan would blow him up like Rorchach.
rottencotten - 1/7/2013, 10:58 AM
Dark Maul- The X-Men is my favorite comic...and even I know that Beast would get his ass sliced-up by this Sith...

Man-Thing- As @Fenix said...All Man-Thing needs to do is rip off her wings...Even-though she's an angel and has seen worse...I think the idea of having Man-Thing trying to rip off the only thing that grants her power would put a little fear in her...end of match...

Dr. Doom- I can easily agree with @Loud on this one...the Doc has never faced someone like Doom in his Universe...Ozy was smart but does he have Doombots or the ability to steal another's powers?...Didn't think so...Victor would just send in a bunch of his Doombots to throw Manhattan off then steal his powers...I also agree that Doom is smarter than Reed...

Wonder Woman for the battle...see my comment in it's section...
FOOM - 1/7/2013, 11:59 AM
Well, I've given it a lot of thought and I'm still not convinced Manhattan is vastly superior to all others in the Marvel and DC universes. Not by a long shot. Weak willed, indifferent and soft Manhattan has never faced off against anyone of a similar power level. And if creating a Manhattan type all powerful superior god by accident in a lab is that easy don't you think more advanced and god-like races would have figured it out years ago? You guys give this Doc too much credit.
LoudLon - 1/7/2013, 1:03 PM
@unknown -- the difference between thinking Doom could beat Doc and Bats could beat the Surfer is that with Bats', it's all speculation and conjecture, informed by a fans own personal preference for the character.

Doom, on the other hand, has shown concretely, over and over and over again, the true extent of his abilities. Know how he defeated The Beyonder? By stealing every last ounce of the power cosmic from Galactus and his planet-sized space ship and using it to take The Beyonder down. He's shown definitvely that he can not only take on an omnipotent being, but WIN.

Bats -- not so much.
dgill - 1/7/2013, 1:35 PM
The thing that people forget about Doc Manhatten is that, while he can see into the future, he doesn't CHANGE the future. Remember, he SAW that he was going to freak out on that TV show and then run off to Mars, and yet, he let it happen anyway, because it was GOING to happen.

His precog ability is about useless for that very reason. Knowledge that something is going to happen but not changing it is useless.
unknownfacts - 1/7/2013, 3:10 PM
@LoudLon I respectfully disagree.While both Doom and Bats both shown that they could take down beings stronger then themselves.

Batman:Shoot Darkseid with a radion bullet (radion is like krytonite for New Gods for those who don't know)during Final Crisis killling him before his omega beams made contact,tricked The General who was in the invincible andriod known as the Shaggyman into a material transporter sending him miles away from the planet Earth,and Ra's Al Ghoul stole plans from his batcomputer which were designed to stop the Justice League should any of them go rogue(the plans were for both past and present Leaguer at the time).

I would list Doom's accomplishments but everyone already listed the some of the more defining point of his genius.

Now don't get me wrong.I not saying that Batman or any genius level intellect should win because of prep time or lose because lack in powers.It just weird to me that people give Doom this super gadget and eat it up as facts but do the same to Batman and people claim it as and over zealous fanboy.In his solo comics Batman doesn't use alot of fancy toys but when he's with the Justice League he pulls out all the stops with his toys.While Bat's no Reed,Stark,or Doom he's smart enough to understand the geist of what they're saying unlike most of the other heroes they work with.And While Superman and Flash like characters think faster then him they think linear as in I'm fast enough to dodge it or strong enough to take it.Batman like characters tend to think 5 moves ahead of their opponents.

Like I said earlier I'm not trying to say Batman should win because of prep time it's just saying one guy should win because of prep time and speculation should work for one guy but not the other.
GuardianDevil - 1/7/2013, 3:37 PM
Not supporting either side here, but Beyonder is a god and is omnipotent, Darkseid isn't really omnipotent he's tough, but not all powerful.
unknownfacts - 1/7/2013, 5:02 PM
@Fenix122 I'm not comparing the two I'm just disproving the claims that Batman never fights super humans and that if he did he would lose.
SkaarJones - 1/7/2013, 6:37 PM
You are considering Doom more intelligent for the way he uses his intelligence. Reed had depowered the Surfer, but he uses his genius for pursuits other than stealing power. Doom's whole existence is about proving himself superior to Reed, and he uses sorcery combined with science. He is not scientifically smarter than Reed and not magically smarter than Strange, but he is either 2nd or very close to each respectively.
SpideyQuad - 1/7/2013, 6:39 PM
The problem is Batman normally fights regular tight people or low-level supers.

Dr. doom fights the best of the best.

Batman occasionally is put in positions (being a member of the J LA) where the writer needs to justify him being there. So they have him doing things out of character. If Batman could regularly take out Foes like darkseid, why should we be impressed when he fights the Joker? Or the Riddler, or the Penguin, or Catwoman???

Honestly can't see the difference I don't know how else to explain it.

Doom always fights high levels (and sometimes multiples teams)

Batman normally fights lower level villains.
SpideyQuad - 1/7/2013, 6:47 PM
Honestly that man has no business being in the Justice league. Therein that is the problem. Writers need to justify him being there which paints unrealistic pictures.

the man is a detective. The rest has been invented in the last two decades by writers.

You almost show your age by insisting these unrealistic results. That's not an insult so don't take it that way it's just the fact. In the 70s Batman didn't do these things because he didn't fight against supers. The first time he took out Superman was in the 80s

look at it this way to try to understand the resentment. Imagine if daredevil became widely popular and then over the next 10 years they have him regularly taking out opponents in the hulk's power range.
Then, you get involved in some new media and these kids start telling you that daredevil could defeat God with a little prep time.

That's how this comes across to us old-timers.
LoudLon - 1/7/2013, 6:59 PM
^^^ True. Bats is tough, I'm not saying he isn't. But while he's highly intelligent, he's far from a super-genius like Doom, and while he's battled super-powered opponents, those opponents -- as is de rigeur with DC -- always have at least one exploitable weakness. With Superman it's kryptonite, with Green Arrow it's the color yellow, and on and on. Surfer has no exploitable weakness; the only way to defeat him is to overpower him, and it would take someone on the level of Thor or Superman to even come close, and even they wouldn't logically stand much of a chance.

The only way Batman beats Silver Surfer is if the guy writing the comic 1) loves Batman, and 2)hates the Silver Surfer. But objectively, there is no logical explanation as to how Batman would last even a nanosecond against the Surfer (or Thor, that matter), let alone defeat him.
LoudLon - 1/7/2013, 7:33 PM
^^^ I always go by the iconic comic book versions; I never go by the movie versions. :)

I forgot: for the All Hell Breaks Loose fight, I give it to The Surfer.
unknownfacts - 1/7/2013, 9:26 PM
@Worldbreaker Normally yes but writer convenience called for Darkseid to be taken out quickly so they had Bat's break his rule and look cool doing it.


I get it Batman is a detective but isn't it par for the course of being a detective is figuring things out.So when I think about these fights I think in terms that all the comic book universes merge into one mega comicverse.So with prep time they would have access to the knowledge and tech of all universes.Now if Doom could come up with a device to stop Dr.Manhattan couldn't the likes of Batman and Nick Fury sneak in and take the device or steal the plans for the device and make one for themselves.

@SpideyQaud I would be the first to tell you Batman doesn't belong in the Justice League.Hell the guy shouldn't even have a Batgirl or a Robin but marketing dictated that he needed it.I was just stating the comic book facts.Dr.Doom comic book history is as asinine as Batman.Spiderman even worse he fought the Juggernaut and the Hulk those two should have ended his crime fighting carrear in the first punch,but writers came up with crappy plot twist.But you know what it's those crappy asinine plot twist that keeps us coming back for more.

I get why people hate Batman because when you ask "How Batman beat Thor?"bat-fanatics will say"Because he's Batman." and that's a stupid and immature answer,I get that.Now what I'm saying is how come when people ask for proof Batman defeating super human opponents they chalk it up to writer's convenience but someone like DrDoom or Reed Richards it acceptible.Is it not highly convenient that during Secret Wars Doom stole the Beyonders powers,Doc Ock swiching bodies with Peter Parker despite the fact that his spider sense should have warned him of the danger,Green Lanterns victories over Sinestro despite that at the time Green Lantern weakness being the color yellow.Also if Doom could build a machine that could steal powers why not use it on all the heroes at once instant victory.They don't and why you might asked because it wouldn't sale money.
GuardianDevil - 1/7/2013, 10:31 PM
I agree, I blame a lot of it on writers and try as best I can to not be hypocritical. Like if these characters with these powers/abilities were actually real and actually fought, Wolverine wouldn't have beaten Hulk, Batman wouldn't have beaten Superman, Doom wouldn't have beaten Beyonder...etc.those are all fights that I think could be blamed on writers trying to appease a fan base or just making it interesting.
FOOM - 1/7/2013, 10:50 PM
@SPideyQuad,

Oh yes, for the simple days of Jim Aparo and the Brave and the Bold. Great to hear you set the record straight on all this.

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