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2013 CBM FightClub FRIDAY SUPERBATTLE CCCXLVI (346)

Undercard-AQUAMAN vs THE HAND | Title Fight-GAMBIT vs (WANTED) WESLEY GIBSON | Rematch-SILVER SURFER vs SUPERMAN | Results for CBM FightClub CLXIX (169): AQUAMAN vs MR FANTASTIC | BATMAN vs (WANTED) WESLEY GIBSON | BEAST vs DR MANHATTAN |

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	# of Wins	# of Fighters
	225	103
	235	108
	47	81

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CBM FightClub CLXIX (169) results:

[AQUAMAN]

AQUAMAN(608)
vs
MR FANTASTIC(410)

Rank: 78
# of Fights: 10

Win/s: 5

Loss/es: 5

[BATMAN]

BATMAN(322)
vs
(WANTED) WESLEY GIBSON(63)

Rank: 5
# of Fights: 24

Win/s: 17

Loss/es: 7

[DR MANHATTAN]

BEAST(31)
vs
DR MANHATTAN(301)

Rank: 8
# of Fights: 10

Win/s: 9

Loss/es: 1

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CBM FightClub Rules

-THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST!
-The fights need not be DEATHMATCHES, incapacitating the other fighter/s can be considered a win.
-SEEMINGLY LOPSIDED MATCH MAY OCCUR (just like in comics and movies).
-Fights may consist of individuals, duos or teams.
-Eligible fighters are characters who have adaptations in any form of comics AND movies.

Undercard Fight

Scenario: FIRST MEETING(NO PREP TIME and NO KNOWLEDGE of the other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES).

AQUAMAN vs THE HAND

[AQUAMAN]

Rank: 78
# of Fights: 10

Win/s: 5

Loss/es: 5

Click for HULK vs PARASITE fight

[THE HAND]

Rank:
# of Fights: 0

Win/s: 0

Loss/es: 0

Title Fight

Scenario:CHANCE ENCOUNTER (NO PREP TIME but has KNOWLEDGE of other fighter's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

GAMBIT vs (WANTED) WESLEY GIBSON

[GAMBIT]

Rank: 34
# of Fights: 4

Win/s: 3

| GREEN ARROW | CYBORG | COSMIC BOY

Loss/es: 1

| WONDER WOMAN

Click for CAPTAIN COLD vs GREEN GOBLIN fight

[(WANTED) WESLEY GIBSON]

Rank: 213
# of Fights: 2

Win/s: 0

Loss/es: 2

| BATMAN | HAWKEYE

Rematch

Scenario: PLANNED BOUTS (has PREP TIME and full KNOWLEDGE of opponent's STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES)

SILVER SURFER vs SUPERMAN

[SILVER SURFER]

Rank: 9
# of Fights: 15

Win/s: 11

Loss/es: 4

| BATMAN | DR MANHATTAN | MARTIAN MANHUNTER | GANDALF

Click for BATMAN vs SHADOWCAT fight

[SUPERMAN]

Rank: 17
# of Fights: 16

Win/s: 10

Loss/es: 6

2013 Gangs of CBM Fight Club

Scenario: A team fight consisting of 5 members per team. They are in their "regular" peak condition with access to their regular gadgets and resources.

Rank #213 (Wanted) Wesley Gibson	Rank #124 The Phantom	Rank #124 Bloodrayne	Rank #87 Ben 10
Rank #87 Optimus Prime	Rank #59 Hector Hammond	Rank #59 Brainiac 5	Rank #59 Green Lantern Guy Gardner
Rank #59 Lex Luthor	Rank #52 Maxima	Rank #48 Rogue	Rank #44 Hawkeye
Rank #44 Loki	Rank #44 Dr Octopus	Rank #43 Thing	Ranking is based on the character's current standing on CBM FightClub

2012 TOP TEAM HOTSHOT

SUPERGIRL
(1125 votes)

#2 PHOENIX [MARVEL] (588 votes)
#3 GOKU [MISC] (313 votes)
#4 BLACK CANARY [DC] (236 votes)
#5 YODA [MISC] (196 votes)
#6 DR FATE [DC] (131 votes)
#7 FLASH [DC] (99 votes)
#8 SPAWN [MISC] (91 votes)
#9 GHOST RIDER [MARVEL] (68 votes)
#10 BUMBLEBEE [MISC] (27 votes)
#11 ROBIN [DC] (14 votes)
#12 PRINCE OF PERSIA [MISC] (9 votes)
#13 MYSTIQUE [MARVEL] (8 votes)
#14 SHADOWCAT [MARVEL] (5 votes)
#15 BANSHEE [MARVEL] (2 votes)

1st:

Total Votes: 2334
2nd:

Total Votes: 1279
3rd:

Total Votes: 1269

*TOP TEAM HOTSHOT is automatically included in this year's CBM's Battle Royale, the prestigious Free-For-All Fight - ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.

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45 Comments

	LoudLon - 1/11/2013, 2:07 AM Login to report abuse Aquaman vs The Hand -- The Hand were major back in Frank Miller's day on Daredevil (Kirigi was my favorite -- named my Dungeons and Dragons character after him way back when lol). At first I was like yeah, Aquaman's got this -- but The Hand were pretty bad-ass. I know Aquaman's bulletproof but a sharp enough blade will penetrate a bulletproof vest, so... I dunno. I'll give my vote to Aquaman but depending on the conditions, I think this could go either way. Gambit vs Wesley Gibson -- I've never read Wanted (nor have I seen the movie) so I have no working knowledge of the character, and hence will refrain from voting on this one. And I don't give enough a crap about Gambit to vote anyway lol Silver Surfer vs Superman -- I'll always give this match to the Surfer. He can do things that Superman can only dream of, including siphoning Supes' body of the solar energy which gives him his powers. Plus with his cosmic sense he'd see Supes coming from a universe away. Surfer would just flat own Big Blue.
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 3:15 AM Login to report abuse Aquaman vs the Hand.Aquaman wins.As good as the Hand are in close quater combat,Aquaman has super strength and bullet resistant skin.This becomes a match where the Hand only needs to make one misstake and Aquaman owns them in one punch. Gambit vs Wesley Gibson.I'll go with Gambit.My reasoning is one the assasins in wanted only fought humans so they're technically not trained to fight people with power and two their greatest strength comes from their opponent not knowing they are after them so yeah too late. Silver Surfer vs Superman.Well Thor has beaten Surfer before and Superman had beaten Thor so I'm going with Superman.It's obvious if you go by comic lore.Which most people tend to pick and choose which is a writer's copout and which is plausible.Which is weird when it comes to science fiction because well it's fiction laws of reality technically doesn't apply here.Especially when you're talking about a solar powered life form and a man who apparently had no conscious about sacrificing countless sentient life forms until he got to Earth for some odd reason.I'm aware he tried to avoid planet with life on it but even the Surfer had said that it couldn't be helped sometimes. In the Gang of CBM fightclub I'm backing Guy Gardner.
	AnungUnRama - 1/11/2013, 3:50 AM Login to report abuse I'm with Unknownfacts today
	2Challa - 1/11/2013, 5:50 AM Login to report abuse Someone needs to be slapped if they think Superman can defeat Silver Surfer in any way. Surfer is faster, stronger, and has a wider range of abilities without any obvious weaknesses.
	SpideyQuad - 1/11/2013, 6:10 AM Login to report abuse DC obviously stands for "dark about" "capabilities" today. No matter how you have shared out "soups" has no chance against SS Now I would have respected if you stated "you wish" Superman could win this way or that, but the bend logic to suit your preferences… Well, that's like a superpower in itself. Funny, how this ability seems to manifest itself in a certain sector or area of interest. Perhaps we'll have to slap an age restriction on this activity, in the interests of accuracy.
	AnungUnRama - 1/11/2013, 7:29 AM Login to report abuse SpideyQuad@ Judging from your comment in the respective article you've watched the Goku vs. Superman deathbattle vid. It give a really good impression of how powerfull Superman really is or can be if he needs to respectivly. That very much convinced me Superman can take this, especially given that Thor beat SS. And the stats the video provides for Superman are way beyond what it needs to take down Thor. Ups, this might start another flamewar discussion.
	SpideyQuad - 1/11/2013, 10:13 AM Login to report abuse Actually I did after I wrote above. I may have been reading Superman before your mother was even born, not trying to be facetious, but it may be true. Few could probably match my love for the man of steel. The first movie still affects me strongly. That said, having a true appreciation of the Silver Surfer's abilities based on what I've read in the actual comics I believe the surfer could simply siphon Superman's solar energy in the blink of an eye. And not just for starters. Norrid is capable of alchemy (arranging electrons and protons of atoms) meaning he could basically create any kryptonite version out of thin air or even the vacuum of space. Let me elaborate on something. My love for Superman goes for the version before John Byrne got his hands on the character and weaken him severely. Even still that version of Superman (70s) would succumb. As I stated the other day concerning the Batman. The younger readers of this website are ruled by their emotions, which is only natural. The caveat being this taints the validity of those opinions. When I vote, and I don't always, I vote using logic and my knowledge on the characters. Example: today I only voted on the third fight
	Fenix122 - 1/11/2013, 10:46 AM Login to report abuse 1. I voted for Aquaman-he's stronger and faster, Im pretty sure that he can take out a group of ninjas.. 2. I voted for Gambit-Not all that familiar with Gibson, but he has no super powers last time I checked so I'm gonna go with Gambit. 3. I voted for Silver Surfer-His strength is incalculable, his power is potentially limitless, love Superman... But I don't see how he could win this fight. @unknownfacts When did Superman defeat Thor? They exist in different universes so how could that have happened? If it was a crossover, I hope you know that those crossovers were decided by votes and popularity of the character, NOT who would actually win.. I mean c'mon Batman beating Captain Americs? Storm beating Wonder Woman? I think not... Well I'm gonna say Marvel in the team fight, Thing would rip apart everyone and then leave the tougher ones for Loki...
	FOOM - 1/11/2013, 11:19 AM Login to report abuse Supes loses.Badly.Surfer is faster, stronger, smarter, more experienced and has an arsenal of powers at his disposal. Plus he's been around the universe quite a few times facing the strongest beings in the cosmos. Supes? Well, he's been on the outskirts of town now and then standing up to the local bully at the drive-in.
	Gary8264 - 1/11/2013, 12:18 PM Login to report abuse I'd go with Surfer, and these match ups make me laugh. In the match ups, Thor has beaten Superman and Surfer....yet Batman has beaten Thor..... Holy Crap!!!!
	Gary8264 - 1/11/2013, 12:20 PM Login to report abuse @Finix the crossover battles were a joke. Not only did they have to come up with a "sewer wash" for Bat's to beat Cap....but they had to use a Killer Whale for Aquaman to beat Namor.... haha
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 12:32 PM Login to report abuse @Fenix122 It was in the DC/Marvel superhero team up crossovers events not the Marvel vs DC event,but I'm still pretty sure there was a coin toss are somthing to decide who would win that fight. PS( To whom this may concern.)Love it how the 70's is the only information that counts for some people.So I guess the stuff from the 80's to the present don't count.What about the 40's,50's,and 60's.Things change deal with it.Also age doesn't ruin anthing it's people who beleive their opinion is more validated then other that do.This is a friendly debate all one needs do to prove his or her point is give some examples of the character's feats from comic book lore.If people agree with you fine,but if they don't that's fine too.Don't go attacking people by saying you're to young to know what your talking about.I've said it once that this is all fanboy speculation there technically no right or wrong answer to these polls that's why it's a poll.
	LoudLon - 1/11/2013, 1:29 PM Login to report abuse I'll again offer that cross-overs should be discounted, because they're wildly inconsisten and contradictory based on which character was more popular at a given time. I brought this up in the Batman/Daredevil discussion, but I'll bring it up again: In a 70s cross-over, Hulk punched and punched at Superman and Superman didn't even flinch ("If I don't want to be moved, nothing in the world can move me" or words to that effect). Yet in Marvel vs DC, Hulk sent him flying with one punch and it took Superman, using every last ounce of his might, to knock Hulk out. Also in a 70s cross-over, Batman straight-kicked Hulk in the stomach and knocked the wind out of him, and he can grab Spider-Man's thumb and incapacitate him despite Spider-Man being at least ten times faster and twenty times stronger, yet Bane -- who is very, very far from Hulk OR Spider-Man -- can take Bats' strongest kicks and punches and still break Batman's back. Cross-overs are ridiculously subjective, and therefore shouldn't be taken into consideration.
	LoudLon - 1/11/2013, 1:41 PM Login to report abuse @unknown -- I agree, a voter's age has no bearing. What does have a bearing is whether or not their opinion is INFORMED. And an opinion formed without comprehensive knowledge of BOTH opponents or a willingness to set personal preference aside is not an informed opinion. Skill vs skill, power vs power, ability vs ability. Those are the things I want to see discussed by a voter, not "he'll win because he always finds a way" or "because he's Superman" or "because he's a god." Those aren't valid explanations. I want details. I want to know the guy who's arguing for or against knows what he's talking about. If the voter doesn't choose to be objective and can't back their opinion up, their opinion is thereby uninformed, and I have no interest in hearing it, regardless of how old or young that voter is. Brass tacks: a voter should know his shit before he flaps his lips.
	Fenix122 - 1/11/2013, 1:54 PM Login to report abuse Yes, that's why I discount crossovers as valid reasons. Because things happen in them that shouldn't happen and they are very inconsistent. Example: Crossover: Daredevil bested Batman. Canon Marvel universe: Captain Americs bested Daredevil. Crossover: Batman bested Captain America. Doesn't make sense does it? And It was pretty crazy when they had Storm beating Wonder Woman..
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 2:47 PM Login to report abuse
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 2:50 PM Login to report abuse Or, Superman after 1000 years on the sun and Godlike powers.
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 2:52 PM Login to report abuse Agreed crossover tend to lack accurate depiction of charaters strength and abilities,but all comics have inconsistencies or things retcon into or out of existant. Take Thor for example.He was created to be stronger the the Hulk but over the years the Hulk has proven that he is either equal to or over Thor's strength level.Same can be said about Superman.He is often depicted as the last hope in most final battles but in actuallity Captain Atom and Martain Manhunter have done feets equal to or greater than the Man of Steel. With Superman vs Silver Surfer I simply used a comparison between Thor and Superman plus the fact that Supes beaten Thor in the Avengers vs Justice League crossover event.Given that the writer chose to let Supes win this one for the sake of plot advancement as oppose to good writing,that Superman while vunerable to magic can still beat magical opponents,and that Thor's speed is super sonic while Superman is beyond that though they maybe equaled if Thor can win against Silver Surfer it reasons that Supes stands a fighting chance.It stands to reason Surfer can manipulate matter and make kyrptonite or drain his solar powers.Why can't Superman grab the ultimate nullifier and use it on Surfer before he can have a chance to act.After all Johnny was able to get it for Reed why can't Supes do the same.But as I said this is all speculation with no real right or wrong answer because this about how people think the character will win.Which all comes down to the imagination,after all none of the characters could exist in real life.
	AnungUnRama - 1/11/2013, 2:54 PM Login to report abuse @Fenix122: Similar happens in real life fighting reularly. E. g.: Joe Frazier beat Muhammand Ali, Geroge Foreman beat Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali beat George Foreman.
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 2:56 PM Login to report abuse Or the Sword of Superman that seemed to join Superman with God:
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 3:08 PM Login to report abuse 1. Kryptonite has to be from Superman's home dimension to hurt him. Not sure SS can pull that off. 2. Superman perpetually absorbs and can absorb more solar at will. When it is absorbed it is changed to become a part of his cellular makeup and multiplied many times over in power. Surfer will not be able to pull the trick he pulled on the Hulk. (The Hulk seems like he just hasn't figured out how to absorb gamma at will yet. If he can and figures out how, SS will never pull that trick again). 3. Superman uses mental blocks to keep his power in check and keep him from killing or destroying the planet. If he removes them, Surfer's unbreakable skin might get cracked wide open. 4. Surfer gets bailed out by Parallax vs Cyborg Superman. Cyborg laughs off PC:
	Fenix122 - 1/11/2013, 3:10 PM Login to report abuse @Skaar But this is the most iconic version of the character, those aren't the iconic versions....the iconic version of Superman would defintely lose.. Btw I'm not just being a fanboy, Superman land at #5 on my all time favs... I don't even like Surfer but I know he's going to win...
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 3:12 PM Login to report abuse One punching Thor.
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 3:35 PM Login to report abuse Fenix122 I love Surfer, and I really can't see him winning this unless Superman lets himself lose. Especially if Superman goes all out against him. Speed, they are probably equal. Superman can surpass light speed and travel through time. Surfer can surpass light only in hyperspace, but only helps if he runs away. General speed blitz showings go to Superman. Strength obviously goes to Superman who can move or destroy planets with ease, and has destroyed a universe by sneezing (past Superman). Power Cosmic attack against Superman would be like or less than the attack on Cyborg Supes who is also not as fast as Superman and proven not as invulnerable. The temperature of the sun at its core is 27 million degrees, but only about 10 million degrees on its surface. Surfer's skin is designed to withstand the heat of a star. Superman's heat vision is supposed to be capable of many times that heat, and though he can calculate exactly how much heat he uses, the amount he can produce is said to be incalculable.
	Fenix122 - 1/11/2013, 4:31 PM Login to report abuse But the thing is, Surfer has power cosmic which he can use to boost his power infinitely... Superman would beat him at base, but Surfer can surpass him..
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 4:57 PM Login to report abuse Actually they could both technically keep surpassing each other indefinitly.All Supes needs is a yellow or blue sun to draw energy from and all Surfer needs is the power cosmic to augment his strength.In theory both are powerful enough to destory an entire solar system in minutes but both care too much about life to endanger it.In the end Supes wins out because he knows who and what he's fighting for.Silver Surfer has always been depicted as a man (and I use the term loosely)looking for a cause,there no real reason to push himself like Thor or Superman.He doesn't fight the good fight he exporles the cosmos searching for who he is.
	LoudLon - 1/11/2013, 5:28 PM Login to report abuse Okay, let's ignore "iconic" and choose any ol' version of a character we want to appear in these fights. Batman -- from here on I'll be sticking with the broken-back version. Spider-Man -- from here on I'll be sticking with the version where he was host to the Captain Universe force. Captain America -- from here on I'll sticking with the Super-Patriot version from Marvel vs DC. Superman -- from here on I'll be sticking with TV show version, who was only strong enough to bust through a wall and who, while he could deflect bullets, had to duck any time a villain through a gun at him. If you're going to pick and choose which versions of which characters to go by depending on who they're fighting just in order to rationalize one's favoritism, there will never be a definitive result in any of these polls. And why does it feel like the ones who insist on using alternate versions as examples are the ones whose characters are getting their asses kicked in the comment section? ICONIC. Most widely popular version; the version the majority of comic fans first think of when they think of that character. When you think of Superman, is the first version that pops into your mind the version which spent a thousand years on the sun? When you think of Spider-Man, is the first version that pops into your head the version where he had six arms? When you think of the Hulk, is the first version that pops into your head the Mr. Fixit version? When you think of Batman, is the first version you think of the super-campy version from the 60s TV show? No. Picking and choosing which version to use depending on who they're up against is like the kid in the playground who you tag only for him to say "No fair, I triple-stamped your double-stam and called no take-backsies!" Iconic version, or why bother?
	Fenix122 - 1/11/2013, 5:37 PM Login to report abuse ^^ Agreed. I might as well pick Cyclops when empowered by Phoenix...or Thot at 100% Odin force...or Hulkbuster Iron Man...
	Fenix122 - 1/11/2013, 5:45 PM Login to report abuse @Skaar No offense bro, but if we put most iconic Superman vs most iconic Surfer, the Surfer would most likely win.
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 6:56 PM Login to report abuse @LoudLon Iconic is highly versatile in the human mind.While the Superman who sent 1000 years in the sun to become god is by no means iconic there are alot more iconic Superman vs iconic Silver Surfer.Espeacially when people bring up the fact that Silver Surfer lost to Thor.I bring that up because iconic means when you think about that character what the first thing to come to mind.That could range from the comics,animation,or since this is a comic book movie site their movies they've been in. Now for the sake of argument we'll go with movie Superman vs movie Thor.Superman in his movies has been able to go so fast he turns back time (yet wasn't fast enough to stop the missles in the first place) I call bull on that but let's face it it's technically counts if that Superman is iconic for you,strong enough to lift a continent even if it has krptonite on it(yet again bull but technically counts),and the ability to defeat combatant more experience then himself.Movie Thor has shown great strength in destorying the Bi Frost bridge,weather manipulation whether this is magical has yet to be proven in the movie-verse,and is able to be hurt by combatants of lesser and greater strength,but is capable of beating multiple combatants at once.Now put those to in a fight movie Supes could probably win with super speed alone and if movie Supes could beat movie Thor and everyone keeps talking about how Thor beat Silver Surfer it's easy to see why people would be lead to believe Supes could beat Silver Surfer.But that is only if MOVIE OR ANIMATED VERSION IS YOUR ICONIC.Now if we go by comic Thor shouldn't be able to beat Surfer with his power sets,but that's a whole nother topic.What I'm getting at is ICONIC is different for everybody.A difference ranges from publishing periods to media format,BUT ONE SHOT APPERANCES AND POSSIBLE FUTURES DON'T COUNT.
	SpideyQuad - 1/11/2013, 8:03 PM Login to report abuse Look! Up in the website… It's a twist… No! It's a stretch… It's SUPER ATTORNEY Able to make his hero win at all costs! By day a mild manner nerdy kid (who happens to read DC comics and look at nudie-girl pictures). But when a poll doesn't work in his favor he becomes… SUPER ATTORNEY Super Attorney Powers: super attorney is able to control most arguments with his uncanny ability to twist, stretch, and type copious amounts of meaningless illogic until his adversary gives up in disgust. Power Source: super attorney obtains his powers from "undeveloped gray matter". Although not proven, it is believed "undeveloped gray matter" gets its power from continual exposure to poorly written comics, plot devices, and not understanding character origins. Power Limits: usually useless when used against parents, BOE, and kids that play sports Major Foes: anyone who will pay attention Major Weaknesses: vegetables, prolonged groundlings, and cable outages
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 9:15 PM Login to report abuse I think the overpowered versions of Superman beat any of the versions of Surfer. The Cyborg Superman, which is slower, less durable, etc had no problems with Surfers power. After 1000 years on the sun, Superman Prime could grant powers to others along Surfer levels, or greater. Sword of Superman joined him with the Presence. Herald powers added to Superman's own powers put him just below TOAA. What version of the Surfer can deal with that? Superman base level has inhibitors normally, so when he drops those inhibitors and goes all out and overdoses on solar, how does SS stop him?
	SpideyQuad - 1/11/2013, 9:35 PM Login to report abuse Just read about the Silver surfers abilities, there's plenty of places. Wikipedia, a Stan Lee comic book,Or click above. Here let me do that for you and paste the relevant material. Matter Manipulation and Reconfiguration / Energy Emission and Absorption: The Surfer has complete control of the four fundamental forces of the universe, reaching nearly any effect he desires. Energy absorption, that does it right there game over. But if you wanted to he could create gold kryptonite. His power set is just not a good match for the man of steel. Don't feel bad though, Superman beat that Goku guy today so it wasn't a total loss.
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 9:45 PM Login to report abuse SpideyQuad is funny but if it helps you sleep at night Surfer wins over Supes any day okay.But on aside note dude.Who uses cyber bulling to get people to agree with them.If you can't use cold hard fact to get people to agree with that's cool man,if you can then cudoo's to you too.Who uses fictional history to explain fictional ohh wait isn't this what this is about.Seriously illogical did you just say illogical!What's logical about a metal man on a surf board and a guy who gains powers from the sun.Please educate this ignorant child. You talk about poorly written comic but they are all poorly written when logic counts.Kid gets bitten by radioactive spider and lives to tell the tale.What part of that was well written.Man who lost his parents but has alot of money seek vengence by dressing up as a weird looking bat figure.Elder god strips children of there goldly powers and memories to teach them humility.Man survives atomic bomb only to become a monster at midnight which later becomes anger management issue(which you might want to look into yourself).Does any of that rings logic to you.Hell does any of that ring I can trust that logic to you.So poorly written it's all poorly written when you look at it with logic that's part of the fun of read them,to escape logic and reality.If I had emotion I'd almost feel sorry for you.
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 10:05 PM Login to report abuse @SkaarJones Superman Prime while somewhat cannon isn't iconic so Supes wouldn't have access to that ability.But good on you for knowing your Superman lore.Also some don't accept the crossover event as cannon due to the inaccuracies in power level shown,but there is no clear rule as to whether or not it count so yeah feel free to use it if you like.
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 10:32 PM Login to report abuse True. Okay, well SA Superman is iconic. Destroying a universe with a sneeze is beyond Galactus. Here is how SS fared against Gladiator (King Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry all based on Supes), and Gladiator is not as powerful as Superman. SS figured out in a 2nd confrontation Gladiator's radiation weakness. He was not able to absorb his power in a Parasite type manner. As I have read it time and time again, the Kryptonite radiation must be generated by someone from Superman's home dimension to hurt him. SS could create Kryptonite, but it would most likely be useless.
	SkaarJones - 1/11/2013, 10:35 PM Login to report abuse Surfer admitted they were evenly matched, and his board didn't help either.
	rottencotten - 1/11/2013, 10:48 PM Login to report abuse Make Mine Marvel today including the battle...
	LoudLon - 1/11/2013, 11:14 PM Login to report abuse I'd posted a lengthy response regarding the "most iconic version" and "cross-overs are not accurate indicators of abilities" arguments, but deleted it because, seriously, who [frick]in' cares? Nobody's going to change anyone else's mind and I'm tired and bored from always trying to convince others to leave bias at the door and be objective. I think from here on in I'll just cast my votes, state my cases behind each and keep all my amused pity of biased fanboys struggling to rationalize the irrational to myself. Less than an hour to go before the next round of matches are posted. Looking forward to it.
	unknownfacts - 1/11/2013, 11:27 PM Login to report abuse @SkaarJones Good point never though about that one.Despite what some would have you believe there is no right are wrong answer to these fights.It all depends on the imaginations of the fans.Some just like to know why people would believe why one character would win over the other.Some take it alitle to seriously or personally for some odd reason.
	Jollem - 1/11/2013, 11:49 PM Login to report abuse "Brass tacks: a voter should know his shit before he flaps his lips." lol!
	SkaarJones - 1/12/2013, 12:15 AM Login to report abuse @unknownfacts Agreed. I just enjoy the debate about these characters I have grown up with, along with the newer ones. Everyone wants to give their input and perspective to help mold the characters into what they perceive them to be or want them to be. To me, and many that don't even read comics, Superman is "that character" that defines the ultimate in power, goodness and heroism that birthed the rest of these characters. Anything is possible in these stories, but Superman is Superman.
	SpideyQuad - 1/12/2013, 7:36 AM Login to report abuse Unknownfacts: Well Lord knows I tried. I tried humor. I tried being logical. I tried to facts. You have an answer for everything. So now I am a bully. Sorry if that's how I came across because that's the last thing I intended. I suppose it's the risk you take By debating through text.
	unknownfacts - 1/12/2013, 4:15 PM Login to report abuse @SpideyQuad While I don't really care what people think or say to me espeacially those that never met me if you can't see what's wrong with the things you say then nothing I can say will help. Fact of the matter is this is all fanboy speculation based on a fictional characters fictional history.Both of these characters have accomplished amazing feets through out thier publication history.Superman has faced Surfer level characters and Visa-versa both have either won or lost those battles.Surfer has survived super nova and Superman has survived molecular blast rays. People talk a good game of being objective,but how can you be objective when you can only see one character winning.I view both sides equally based on power sets and known characteristics.
	SpideyQuad - 1/12/2013, 5:08 PM Login to report abuse Well, I have to agree your impartiality is legendary.

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