Thanks Marc Webb and Sony, You Have Ruined Spider-Man

After Viewing The Amazing Spider-Man 2, I am ready to acknowledge that our beloved hero has been tarnished with Marc Webb's and Sony's money grubbing, mess of a rebooted franchise SPOILERS AHEAD

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By CaptainDC - 7/23/2014

Thanks Marc Webb and Sony, You Have Ruined Spider-Man

 

DISCLAIMER: I am not biased against any movie studio, comic book origin, or production. I enjoy comic book movies for what they are, and always look for the best in any movie.

 

First off by letting this be known that I originally had hope for this franchise. As well all know, Spider-Man is one of the most cherished characters of all time. Whether you were reading about him in his first comic book appearance in 1962, or singing the theme song to his hit 1967 animated television show, or even destroying a large tub of pop corn to the 2002 blockbuster movie, you cannot resist the appeal to the friendly neighborhood spiderman. Sam Raimi’s original trilogy, well at least the first two, set a brand new precedent to not only expect when watching a superhero movie, but for the action genre as a whole. When news first broke out that Marc Webb and Sony would be putting out a reboot of the franchise just 5 years later, many fans were skeptical of what to expect. Now in 2014, Marc Webb has put out two more Spider-Man films starring Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone that tarnish the franchise. And with news breaking today that we have to wait two more years for a solo Sinister Six movie, and four more for a third film, it’s time to bash Webb for destroying a franchise of our beloved hero.

 

After viewing the first Amazing Spider-Man, I came out with very mixed emotions. Although the plot wasn’t very well put together, and at times the story felt very twilight-esque, I came out with some hope for a brighter future. For one, the casting was spot on as Garfield portrays a fantastic Peter Parker, and Stone’s charm as Gwen Stacy is more than perfect. Also, they showed the potential with some a deep storyline with Peter’s parents, a shrouded mystery of Oscorp, what villains could we see in future installments, and arguably the most underrated aspect of the film, the improved fighting style of Spider-Man that consisted of crazy agility and brute strength. When it was time for the sequel to roll around quickly, I had faith that all of these possibilities would be met....

 

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was the first Spider-Man film that I did not see in theaters, and nor was I not the only one. The Amazing-Spider Man 2 was the lowest earning film in franchise history, and after viewing it I see why so. The trailers played the film out to answer all of the questions I wanted to know. Would we finally see a sinister six? Will we know what happened to his parents? How cool will all of these villains be? Instead, I wound up on a disintegrated plot that had a random assortment of villains that just did not work. Between Jamie Foxx’s poorly written Electro, whose powers I still cannot accurately describe, or the Rhino’s 5 minute lame appearance that’s hard to take seriously with Paul Giamatti, or the complete slap in the face to the mythology of the Green Goblin with a horrible Green Goblin, Marc Webb sucked the soul out of some of the greatest superhero villains ever. The only positive aspect of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was the chemistry behind Garfield and Stone, and that too even came to an close with the films dramatic death. 

 

At the end of the Amazing Spider-Man 2 they tease what’s to come from the Sinister Six, but to be frankly honest, I don’t care anymore. Now that news broke the other day that the Sinister Six comes out in 2016 , and then the Amazing Spider-Man 3 in 2018, I have officially thrown this franchise, Marc Webb, and Sony out the door. To help put this in perspective: Sony plans on bringing us a Sinister Six movie without Spider-Man even in it, and then bring him back to the screen when Garfield is 35 years old! Thanks for the effort, but this franchise is dead to me.

I’d like to end this rant by thanking Marc Webb for destroying one of our favorite superhero’s potential in striking the big screen like Spider-Man did with Raimi. Webb and Sony, you’re ignorance to keep things simple and strive for money over pleasure will not be ignored. F**k you Marc Webb and Sony, and hand Spider-Man’s film rights over to Marvel on a silver platter before you destroy it even more. 

If you too can't stand what has happened to this franchise, do yourself a favor and tap that THUMBS UP (Y) button! Leave your comments, questions, and opinions in the section below. 

- CaptainDC

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DatNerdyKid - 7/23/2014, 10:50 PM
Is there anywhere I can downvote...thumbs down...no?...kay bye
Reasonnnn - 7/23/2014, 11:05 PM
Avi Arad and his ego are the biggest problems with this franchise.
Reasonnnn - 7/23/2014, 11:08 PM
Remember when The Amazing Spider-Man was supposed to be a lower budgeted ($70-90 mil) film that was supposed to be more intimate and focus more on Peter and Gwen? It would have been different than what we usually expect in a comic-book movie, but no, Sony saw the $750 mil gross from TASM and the success of The Avengers and decided to fast-track everything
Pending - 7/23/2014, 11:36 PM
Not saying that they can't make a good movie with SS and TASM3 but after TASM2 I'm done giving this franchise my money. TASM2 was just that bad for me, It's better off they give Marvel a shot at the franchise at least with them we'll get a new creative team in there.
MrSuperheromoviefan - 7/23/2014, 11:40 PM
You forgot to mention the horrible dialogue. I mean the way they talk while others talk trying to make it realistic, but ending up incomprehensible and anoying.
tonytony - 7/24/2014, 12:03 AM
it was a mess of a movie and a missed opportunity
AC1 - 7/24/2014, 2:57 AM
Um... nope. Wasn't the best Spider-Man movie, but it wasn't the catastrophe everyone claims it is either. There were some bad parts (e.g. Gwen's on-the-nose speech that was absolutely obvious foreshadowing, and Paul Giamatti's acting as Rhino), but there was also some great stuff in there (Peter discovering the truth about his parents, the Clocktower fight, Peter's mourning montage, Electro's arc, etc.)

And I still don't get why people are bemoaning the hint at a Rhino battle at the end of the movie - it's basically like how Scarecrow popped up in The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, simply showing that the hero has a lot of work to do. Same with Jamie Foxx as Max Dillon - everyone complains about how "goofy" or "weird" he was, but the guy was lonely, mistreated by everyone and without a single friend or person who cared about him; then someone saves his life, and he realises someone does care, but he doesn't know how to deal with it, so he goes overboard. It's actually pretty tragic if you bother to try and sympathise with the guy, rather than focusing on his superficial eccentricities.

TASM 2 is one of the better movies in the Spider-Man franchise, certainly not one of the worst. TASM is still the best for me, because I appreciated the smaller, more intimate tone, and think they would've done better to keep that going a little bit in TASM 2, but I still think TASM 2 was a good movie in its own right.
GliderMan - 7/24/2014, 3:40 AM
Oh are we complaining again? I guess we are. What is so hard about letting go and just enjoying a damn movie?
DatNerdyKid - 7/24/2014, 3:56 AM
@AC1 and @GliderMan, you two brought some sanity to this thread.
staypuffed - 7/24/2014, 4:08 AM
OMG TASM2 IS UTTER GARBAGE [frick] ANDREW GARFIELD [frick] MARC WEBB [frick] THE ENTIRETY OF SONY REVERT TO MARVEL BLAH BLAH BLAH TASM2 IS SHIT

Sigh. Is that all?
(that wasn't a summary of your article, btw, but the general CBM community)
McNyagano - 7/24/2014, 4:09 AM
KingNTheKong - 7/24/2014, 4:10 AM
It's all [frick]ing Avi Arad. He doesn't give a crap about the characters and just wants money. Yeah I know that's why movies are made and everyone wants money, but his ultimate goal is to have films grossing the same amount as Avengers and Iron Man 3. To get that you have to have multiple, consistently good films and then give your big grand slam.

Also they need to give Marc Webb creative control again. Like people have said the movie lost the intimate feel that it had and I want that back. Also they don't need to have a 'Cinematic Universe'. Frequent spin-offs are fine, but I barely see how that works considering every freaking Spidey related character lives in New York. Yeah it's big, but it's not like he Manhattan and Brooklyn (for arguments sake) are two different countries.

The only reason I'm looking forward to S6 is because Drew Goddard (A Joss Whedon underling) is writing and directing. Hopefully Alex Kurtzman leaves Spidey 3 like Orci did. Get some real writers up in this piece!!!
LightspeedJones - 7/24/2014, 4:18 AM
I actually liked TASM 2.

*goes back to the shadows*
LightspeedJones - 7/24/2014, 4:19 AM
btw, Marc Webb is probably the hero of that franchise. It could have been a disaster if Arad's ideas were on the hands of a lesser director.
Doopie - 7/24/2014, 4:24 AM
yeah I firmly believe Arad is the problem. Replace the producers and the scriptwriters and there may be a chance to salvage this series
dethpillow - 7/24/2014, 4:31 AM
@TheReddestHood - you know yeah, Arad might really be it, but it's not that he doesn't care about the character, it's that he cares way too much, and that he's a dipshit.

whenever he opens his mouth about Spider-Man the weirdest stuff he starts saying. and it's like almost where it would make sense, and you kind think that maybe he just doesn't speak English well and that there's something being lost in his command of the language. But no, he speaks English perfectly fine, just like anyone, it's not even an issue, but the guy is just always wrong about everything.

and he's obsessed with Spider-Man. everytime they make a movie, it can't be that someone from Sony is beating on his door saying... we gotta get you out there for interviews, Avi. get up, let's go!

it's not that. It's him. he's a producer so he wedges his ass in all these interviews, no one would ever ask that man to represent any movie they were making. It has to be him.

He's like this little troll gopher man that lives underground and only comes up when he hears it's promo time for a new Spider-Man movie... so he can go eat the catered sandwiches and pontificate on what Spider-Man really means for us all. i am so sick of the guy.
dethpillow - 7/24/2014, 4:34 AM
i don't even think it'd be possible to fire the guy. or deny him a role as producer, somehow he would wake up and find his way down to any set location and just sit there by the catering table, muttering crazy things and acting like he had some say in it.

they need to get a restraining order on him.
KanyeWest - 7/24/2014, 4:35 AM
Grow up, man. Find a better use for your time than ranting in a child-like manner about how much you hate a comic book film that came out months ago.

I wish I could downvote sometimes.
ManCalledSting - 7/24/2014, 4:36 AM
I wish there was a thumbs down. Not bcuz I disagree, but bcuz I hate poorly written articles.
pepe - 7/24/2014, 4:37 AM
Why is this om main?
demonizer84 - 7/24/2014, 4:38 AM
i personally dont get the hate, sure there are some cliche moments, but there aint many movies that dont have them, but overall i think these are really good, the main problem is they are compaired to raimis all the time, they both have problems both sets that is, i grew tired of maguires spiderman and thought it had not aged well and was far too campy..

having a little boy hes really into spiderman and i have to endure them practically everyday and after not seeing them initially for a while i actually enjoy them, well the first 2 anyways....

with webbs spiderman the only issue i really have is the whole MURICA thing like the crane part at the end of the first one, though it gives some good shots its just cringeworthy,though raimis train scene and you mess with one of us you mess with all of us is just as bad. i wasnt a fan of the lizards look either nor some of the plot holes left by him but minor problems really, second movie wise my only real gripe was not enough norman and not enough gobby, i was really not looking forward to the enemies judging by the trailers but watching the final product i was overly satisified, again just the cringeworthy part at the end with the little kid, but the rhino tease was good....

and the death of gwen even though through spoilers i knew it was coming still gave me a shout out loud OH SHIT!!! moment....

i think we will see the end of this trilogy and it will be rebooted again even sooner than it was this time and i think thats when we are going to see a spiderman everyone can love, but until then these movies will have to do.
Runefyst - 7/24/2014, 4:39 AM
I've enjoyed both of the Amazing Spidey movies thus far.

- 2 cents
Thelastdalek - 7/24/2014, 4:49 AM
Is anyone else sick of seeing opinion pieces of the front page?
Egan - 7/24/2014, 4:50 AM
Question, you say you didn't see the film at the cinema so how exactly did you watch it because it isn't out on DVD or Blu-ray yet.

I wish this site had a down vote option.
CPBuff22 - 7/24/2014, 4:50 AM
The thing I don't understand is how EVERYONE can bash the Amazing Spider-man films and yet cheer on the X-Men films. I personally think Amazing Spider-man 2 & X-Men DOFP were on par with each other when it comes to both quality film and comic book accuracy. I felt many things done in DOFP were not only untrue to the comic but untrue to the films that came before it. Yet X-Men DOFP got rave reviews while everyone bashed he crap out of Spider-man. And the Spidey bashing wasn't even over the same things in each article. One person complained that you barley got to see Rhino or Green Goblin in the film while another review complained that there were too many villains in the movie and that took time away from Electro. Then you have one article upset that its not true enough to the comic and none of the villains look like they do in the 616 comics while at the same time another article complaining that they killed off Gwen Stacy, they did that in a way that was taken directly from the comic.

All the while people complain about Amazing Spider-man, they rave about X-Men as they change Shadowcats powers, Wolverine has bone claws, has adamantium claws, has bone claws, has adamantium claws, & some how Magentos powers of Magnetism allows him to control computers inside the Sentinels and operate their systems. All the while plot holes keep forming because Bryan Singer decide that X-Men 3 & X-Men Origins: Wolverine just were too inconvenient for him to take into account... you know until the end of the film.

I didn't think Amazing Spider-man nor X-Men DOFP were good enough to make my top five comic book movies, and to be honest... after seeing Guardians of the Galaxy, neither X-Men nor Spider-man make it in the top two Superhero movies this summer.

I just wish someone could explain to me using valid examples from both movies why X-Men DOFP is "The Best X-Men Film EVER" while Amazing Spider-man 2 has "Destroyed the Spider-Man franchise".
driver - 7/24/2014, 4:52 AM
Amen to that, CapDc. BUT don't forget that Webb's biggest fault is saying Yes to producers stupid suggestions and he did everything he was told to.

I mean he wanted to bring a bit more realistic tone to the franchise and justifie the use of 3D by making Spidey's person of view scenes. Guess what? POV scenes were cut but at least we had practical stunts with stuntman swinging without a CGI.

Look at TASM 2 , none of it was left just to appeal to youngsters. A lots of colors were added and fights were cut down to make it more kid friendly.
KingNTheKong - 7/24/2014, 4:54 AM
@Egan

You know how many sites there are where you can watch movies before DVD and Blu-
Ray release for free that would be illegal in the some countries? Also their are torrents and pirating movies. (Goody two shoes!!!)
jasonicus - 7/24/2014, 4:57 AM
It is a complete mess. ASM2 was all over the place. Terrible writing and directing. I can't imagine how they will pull off Sinister Six without Spider-Man. It makes no sense.
dethpillow - 7/24/2014, 4:58 AM
@AC1 - well the thing with Max that makes him ridiculous is the broad caricature of a person that he acts like. what you're saying makes sense, but pocket protector and combover? it's like they just plucked out some exaggerated person called a "nerd" from a bad Raimi Spider-Man film and plopped him into this one.
doesn't it seem kind of jarring to you?

cuz he said that it was his sister who styled the combover originally for him.
Webb should've said, how about, No, Jamie Foxx? how about we actually act like we're making a movie and not doing some actor's craft studio character building exercise?

and why spend time on something, like that whole thing with Max? I really can't believe anyone felt that working for the relationship between Spidey and Electro. It didn't add anything and it just made things more dumb and take more time. Truly, Electro's role in the movie should've been pretty tiny. Or it should have actually been something. Either one, but it just seems kind of lazy that no one put their foot down about so many things like this.

It doesn't seem like they really had any idea what the movie was actually about. And people always make these terrible lists of "plot holes" that aren't plot holes and different specific things, but overall the reason I see the movie as being bad has nothing to do with any particulars like that. i hate arguing in lists anyways. but the movie, I feel, had no clear movement of story across it.

that's what i feel is wrong with it, and also the characterization of Peter. And I actually don't think Peter is a nerd. or shy. maybe kind of a bookworm, you could say, but not like a quivering bookworm or anything. and I think it was the right direction to go from Raimi's to a more real version of Peter. They had the right idea. But it's so awful what they did. Peter's a self obsessed jerk. I wouldn't say that in the last one... but in this one, that's just what he is. two worst scenes in my head that show this, are when he is babbling at Gwen about stuff when she's clearly late for an interview and when he's talking to Aunt May and they are face to face and she is crying and then he pushes her for information again.

those were both disgusting to me. the scene with May was great, it was perfefct, until he does that, and that so flies in the face of Peter Parker that it ruins everything good about that scene. and there's Garfield's face as the one who is doing this. of course he gonna get blamed for it. it's a combination of him and really deaf writing on the topic of Peter Parker.

even in the Gwen interview scene, when he supposedly realizes himself and should just quickly support her and then shut up and leave things alone and leave. he keeps stuttering and rambling idiotically about making up shit about how he's the dean of Harvard or whatever?????

just totally stupid stuff that Peter Parker is completely more emotionally developed than to be such a stupid ass. nothing was cute or fake nerdy about that, it was just ugly to see.

if you don't feel that way, cool, we got different ideas about him and that's fine. but people who despise this movie are not making it up. the more you look at it too, it's just everywhere about how he was written. over and over again just slaps in the face to Peter Parker. it's not exaggeration.
jasonicus - 7/24/2014, 5:02 AM
Also, we get it, Gwen and Peter love each other. We didn't need to be reminded every 15 minutes with a new scene.
DrunkenNukem - 7/24/2014, 5:03 AM
yeah that rambling at the end of the "editorial" was too much...
TheRaven20 - 7/24/2014, 5:05 AM
I'm more disappointed in the direction the films are going than the films themselves. Liked the first one a lot and the second one was ok ( had really good parts and really bad) but I hate how the rushed the Green Goblin and how they're gonna do a sinister six film. I think when we all heard they were gonna do sinister six we were excited to see spider-man take them on in a Spidey movie not see a movie where we see six villains come together and what hang out. They need to focus on building the Spidey universe with in Spider-man films not real ease villain spin offs. We'll see what happens. I was looking forward to seeing Norman as Goblin too but who knows when that will be
dethpillow - 7/24/2014, 5:05 AM
that said, i don't like articles like this. it's just kind of complaining about things which you can do easily in the comment section on any Spidey article. and there's probably already this same argument happening.

it doesn't bring anything new to the conversation.

and actually this article is exaggerating. cuz you can't ruin Spider-Man. even if you tried. you just can't do it. you can't suck the soul out of anything.

except a thing that never had any soul. so yeah, it's exaggerating but sharp criticism of this movie is not exaggerating at all. we can have different opinions, but there's nothing ridiculous about how bad this movie is to some people.
Jollem - 7/24/2014, 5:06 AM
it was a really good spidey movie
dethpillow - 7/24/2014, 5:08 AM
also, i don't see how it's doing myself or Spider-Man or anything a favor to thumb your article up.
I really don't and I think that kind of stuff is just really sniveling and insulting too.
dethpillow - 7/24/2014, 5:20 AM
@demonizer - yeah everthing about Gwen was great in this movie. even when she died. it was just great stuff.

I think Electro should have been way smaller of a part, or maybe not even in the movie at all. The movie should have been about Peter and Harry and Goblin and Spider-Man and how this whole thing inevitably leads to Gwen's death. That should've been what drove it along. It's not a matter of too many characters, they could've used a bunch of characters but just used them right.

0megaDaGod - 7/24/2014, 6:02 AM
"Not saying that they can't make a good movie with SS and TASM3 but after TASM2 I'm done giving this franchise my money. TASM2 was just that bad for me, It's better off they give Marvel a shot at the franchise at least with them we'll get a new creative team in there"

Pretty much ^^this^^

I didn't hate TASM, and on certain days I actually kinda like the movie. It's got some ridiculous flaws, and the writing can be downright awful at times, but I really liked some of the stuff they were doing. They brought to life certain elements from Spider Man comics that weren't present in live action before

I thought they were gonna fix the flaws of the first and really knock it out of the park with TASM2. I'd actually defended the movie a bit before it came out. I started feeling strange about it when the first poster showing the villains came out but I was willing to give the movie the benefit of the doubt due to the awesome Spidey suit, the cast, and the dope first few trailers. But then when I bought tickets for me and my family, sat down in the theater and watched it, I realized that the issues with the first one weren't by accident, this is actually what they think people want to see in this post-Twilight era. These guys are killing Spider Man for me, especially when placed in tandem with the Ultimate Spidey cartoon and all the phuckery Marvel has been doing with him in the comics. It's the same shit that happened to me with Man Of Steel except TASM had made me anticipate TASM2 way less than I did MOS, so the blow was a lot softer

The worst part, is that it not only killed my anticipation for TASM3, but also Sinister Six. Just knowing that the same decision makers in the higher ups will be handling that movie, and all the comments they've made abut it lets me know that I won't be rushing to the theater November, 2016, and that's some sad shit for a guy who's loved Spidey since he was the littlest of kids

The wall crawler deserves so much better
AC1 - 7/24/2014, 6:23 AM
@dethpillow sure Max's design was a bit heavy handed with the comb-over and stuff, but it's not entirely unrealistic... I mean, if someone that insecure about people liking him started going bald, I'm sure he'd try a comb-over (although shaving his head entirely would be the better choice, but those errors in judgement are part of the reason that he's not great around people). As for the pocket protector, the guy may have had to draw a lot of diagrams and stuff, and probably wanted to keep his shirt clean, considering that he's working for such a huge company. I just think, for some reason, loads of the actors decided to ham-up their performances in the movie - I mean, look at Paul Giamatti's Rhino, or Dr Kafka, even Dane DeHaan after he became the Goblin (he was brilliant as Harry though), and of course Jamie Foxx as Max (although his Electro was great). And yes, I do agree to an extent that they should've continued to focus on Electro's insecurity, rather than just forgetting about it when Harry started taking up more screen time.

Sure there was stupid stuff, like Gwen's speech that makes me think she could see the future and probably should've joined the X-Men or something, or Peter "Science guy" Parker needing to watch a YouTube video to learn how electricity works because apparently he's never used electricity before, or all those rubbish accents every other actor felt that they had to scream into the camera... What I'm saying is that I understand that this wasn't the perfect Spider-Man movie, but that doesn't automatically make it a bad movie. It just didn't live up to people's expectations. And the stuff they did get right, they got REALLY right.
DrKinsolving - 7/24/2014, 7:12 AM
They really have ruined the character, I've lost all interest. I just want to see a Marvel/MCU Spider-Man movie.... Is that too much to ask

Vortigar - 7/24/2014, 7:58 AM
@Gliderman:
"What is so hard about letting go and just enjoying a damn movie?"

Well, that's the problem right there. There's no way to enjoy the movie for him (us) because there's an emotional investment that's bigger than that movie. I like the first Transformers movie because I don't really care if that gets portrayed one way or another.

I will argue with people who call it the perfect portrayal of Spidey, because that's bull. But you won't see me seeking that one out by creating an article about it either. I gave no money for the last movie (haven't seen it pirated either, might see it when its aired on tv) and I hope more people will join me on that because this franchise needs a new creative vision.
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