Themes of the upcoming Marvel Cinematic Universe

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By Bam - 12/20/2012


I'm sure comic book and movie fans in general are all wonderfully stoked for the upcoming Phase 2 of Marvel's little cinematic experiment. What has worked and what I feel will make the movies continue to work is if the sequels and new movies continue to advance the characters themselves as opposed to trying to one up the action of previous movies, after all the big show should be saved for the next Avengers outing, in between time, make us care and root even more for these characters with their own stories.



Stan Lee from the get go in the 60's had the brilliant idea of taking the traditional superhero mythology and make the characters feel like actual people, thus making us care and relate even more when we charge into battle with them to punch an evil doer in the face.



So how is Marvel gonna keep this wonderful carnival a running? Well look no further than the latest Ironman trailer.



In it we see a very different Stark than we're used to, and of course he should be, he was visibly shaken during the events of the Avengers film even though he tried to keep himself and image intact using his two most impressive sets of armor, his ego and his humor. In his third outing from what we've seen his short trip into the abyss of space has had a heavy toll on him. Insomnia, trying to hide himself from the press, paranoia of the "hundred people trying to kill him" and his fear of losing the one woman whom he truly cares for. Heavy stuff one would think.

Which brings me to my next point, the suit is up and about the place and Mr. Stark isn't in it, so what gives? Is someone else controlling the suit has Jarvis become self aware and has had it up to here with Tony's wacky hijinks??? Or better is the suit acting out Tony's subconscious, literally trying to protect from outside aspects in his life, who's in charge of Tony's life, the man or the tech?



I couldn't begin to comment on Thor's next outing besides some new adversaries and a promise of a more immense look into Asgard, we don't know much to speculate on. And come to think about it, that's good. I mean let's be honest, we all know what site were on at the moment but a bit of mystery for an anticipated movie is a wonderful thing.

What I can hope for Thor's journey is that after learning humility from his afternoon stroll through Midgard is that his brother's actions deeply affected him. Throughout the movies he has had the least character development in my opinion. Though his godly stubbornness is quite true to his comic book counterpart, he should be hit and hit hard by his brother's actions. At the end of The Avengers he seemed like the same guy, stubbornly thinking his little bro is just up to some shenanigans and a stern talking too will bring everything back to normal. That would be a happy ending but what we need is some tragedy. Thor must learn not everything in his life is infallible. The good Dr. Selvig and Jane Foster will no doubt find their way into Asgard and The God of Mischief and Lies* will have a lot of opportunities for a bit of both.



Which brings us to the leader of the pack and my personal favorite hero (Though T'Challa is quite quickly scaling up that list)Captain Steve Rogers.


So let's talk title shall we? Captain America: The Winter Soldier, that brings up a few ideas for anyone who's read an issue or two on Ed Brubaker's run on the series. So how could that affect the theme of the movie? Well let's look at a few things According to the Marvel movie Timeline Captain America awoke no more than two weeks before the events of The Avengers, which doesn't give him alot of time to adjust. The same way The First Avenger had the wonderful advantage of being set in the 40's to see a bit of the olden days of the MU. With the second outing we have a different distinction 90% of the previous movies character's cannot return unless via flashback or because comics.



We will join Captain America the way he feels, lonely, big new world trying to fit in. I'm not sure what span of time will occur between this movie and The Avengers but I am sure of one thing, Cap's gotta be feeling a wide array of emotions. The 'Man out of Time' quip by Loki and the name of the series run will be an interesting angle to look at it. I hope the movie really handles this delicately after all Cap has got it bad, in his head during the Avenger's events, 2 weeks ago was one of the most brutal and horrific events that has ever plagued mankind and he was given the duty of carrying his country's spirits on his shoulders. Though a bit rushed in the film, he lost his best friend. The one guy that stuck with him no matter what and sometime shortly after he again faced his greatest adversary which climaxed in him giving a valiant sacrifice to save the world from HYDRA's new weapons.

He succeeded, he thought it was over death was justifiably embraced. A few dreams later and Rogers awakes in a hospital with the biggest shock of his life. Everyone he's ever loved or known is gone and he's plunged himself decades into the future. Keeping that all in to lead a squad of soldiers into battle against an alien invasion is but a small facet of why Cap's greatest power is his determination.



Where does that leave us for the sequel? We will most likely see him return to what he does best leading another group (Fingers crossed for Falcon, Agent 13 and Rikki Nomad Barnes) to carry out missions for SHIELD. Right now it's the closest thing he's got to a home and right now Cap needs something to keep his mind off things. While he's trying to fit in and move on with this new extreme aspect of his life his past will literally haunt him with the emergence of his best friend Bucky Barnes. It's a very interesting prospect they could explore, while one man tries to forget about his past the other is stuck in it, molded by the ills of man and his intentions with war. Captain America will not only grapple with his future but resolve the mistakes of his past.



A solid and very fulfilling new chapter in each of these character's lives. Then again who's to say what will happen in the upcoming movies this is just a thought from a fan, one thing is for sure, Marvel as always will keep turning out exciting new adventures for fans to cherish for many more years to come, Nuff Said.
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SageMode - 12/20/2012, 10:57 PM
MANOFSUPERGUY

What exact same themes are you talkin about?
Happy11 - 12/20/2012, 11:04 PM
I wish Cap could look more like that in the movies but nice article.
TheFirstAvenger97 - 12/20/2012, 11:54 PM
Good read!
wallhead - 12/21/2012, 1:18 AM
....sooo..nice article lol
TankD - 12/21/2012, 4:52 AM
@ Manofsuperguy. Didnt read. But Im sure stark will be iron man more then 15 min in the film and not walk on a cane like a bitch. There were No reason to have him quit for 8 years. It was them coming up with story elements so they couldnt continue. Nolans wife even said in an interview he got tired of batman because it was batman this and batman that for years. Face it Nolan gave up. Batman wouldnt give up. TDKR is shit. heres hoping for a decent reboot. and BB and TDK were awsome for the record.
Spideyguy94 - 12/21/2012, 5:11 AM
@ManOfSuperGuy See The Dark Knight Returns comparison doesn't work because, in the dark knight returns batman retires at the age of 55 after being batman for a good 25 years, also all the superheroes except superman were banned and he had jason todd's death on his hands. he quits because he has to not because he wants to he's too driven too just quit. In The Dark Knight Rises why batman quits is one of the most contrived things I've ever seen in a superhero movie. At the end of The Dark Knight they elude to the notion of organised crime will go away but freaks like the joker are going to come in and take over much like what happend in the comic books.
Spideyguy94 - 12/21/2012, 5:12 AM
@ManOfSuperGuy Also i'd like to add that i like nolan as a director, i think he's one of the best in hollywood, I love Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, i think those movies are fantastic. But The Dark Knight Rises really dropped the ball. I remember walking out of the cinema and loving it, then i started talking about it and the movie completely fell apart. And this is coming from A huge batman fan and a fan of chris nolans movies.
Bam - 12/21/2012, 5:36 AM
Cool flame war you got going here fellas, thanks to the people that liked the article,

And to @ManofSuperguy, trust me dude I absolutely love Batman and I respect wholeheartedly Christopher Nolan's ideas and vision and what he's done with Batman I think it's perfect to the point I don't know what someone could possibly add to it. I think the two best superhero movies ever are The Dark Knight and The Avengers. They are the perfect Ying and Yang to the genre.

I think people have this trait towards tribalism and praising one movie con-notates in some people's minds that they think less of the other, either that or they just straight up say one is better than the other.

With The Dark Knight Rises now, you gotta admit it was ballsy it was grand in scale, it expanded immensely from the perfectly weaved cat and mouse game of it's predecessor. I think he had a great idea but at one point when he was piling on goodies he should have stopped at certain things also in Christopher Nolan's version he would have spent a year and a half or so as Batsy before his seclusion, which I disliked other than that. Best superhero trilogy so far.
TheLokey1 - 12/21/2012, 9:41 AM
Great article bam, and I appreciate you trying to quelch that flame war, people keep arguing over which is better but they will never change anyone else's opinions so it is a huge waste of time that is repeated way too often on this site.

Back to the article, where do you see guardians of the galaxy fitting into these other phase 2 movies, and also what role should the Hulk play leading into avengers 2?
DrDoom - 12/21/2012, 9:51 AM
ManofSuperguy: "the only good movie from Phase 1 (excluding the Avengers) was Iron Man"

CharlesLord - 12/21/2012, 10:55 AM
I for one, liked Cap and IM2. Good article Bam. Also, WHY did Nolan get brought up again?
TheLokey1 - 12/21/2012, 11:50 AM
Lol and the thread jacking continues
Bam - 12/21/2012, 12:09 PM
You know I gotta give some thanks to ManofSuperguy, he's definitely giving this thread some traffic lol

@lokey1

I didn't speculate on Guardians of the Galaxy for two reasons a) They're the characters I know the least about and would have the hardest time dissecting and b) I don't know what they're planning at all to do with the first movie, I'm expecting good things, Marvel wouldn't just throw out this group of unknowns if they didn't have some plan to them, exploring Thanos' backstory if he is gonna be the villian for a future film is fine and i'm assuming that's what's gonna happen. Though to be honest i would have much preferred a Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel/whatever the ol gal is going by nowadays movie. I even wrote a fancast for her and the lady I chose (Emily Blunt) is staring me dead in the face in one of the ads just below the comment box.

She would have been an excellent way to delve deeper into the cosmic but I suppose that's more Skrull and Kree mythology than people like the Eternals. And hey like I said i'm not a movie producer I don't know what Kevin Joss and the boys got planned so i'll let them make their movie.
Bam - 12/21/2012, 12:22 PM
@TheLokey1

As for The Other Guy, I figure ol jolly green, between the two solo movies, the television series and The Avengers he's had just as much exposure as Spiderman, now he needs to take a break, I loved Mark Ruffalo and Joss Whedon's take on the characters and I feel like he's slowly trying to make it back into society but keep his head down, SHIELD needs to keep General Ross off his back, let him get back with Betty try and find a little more happiness and then BOOM have The Leader start a big hoopla and have Bruce find new targets to aim the hulk at.

Until then give the ol big guy a break to play around at the R&D department at Stark, ahem I mean Avengers Tower.
DrDoom - 12/21/2012, 12:33 PM
@Bam

I've been begging for a Ms. Marvel movie for years. PLZ MARVEL GIVE US CAROL DANVERS ON BIG SCREEN NAO
kenjim152 - 12/21/2012, 2:27 PM
Well i do agree that just Iron man and Thor are Good movies the avengers fore is
Just average, but it made lots of bucks and sorry guys that does not make it a Good movie. I really enjoyed the avengers I just Dont like Marvel overprising Robert Downey Jr to the point that Caps gets to be a B list character on the movie and not the leader and the inspiration of the group itself. I think marvel rushed things and they did not used caps properly, lets ne honest the guy just fought one guy in WW2, no Baron Zemo, he was frozen and never mentioned b4 in any marvel movie so how could he possibly have been coulson's hero????!!!! I am sorry to tell u guys, but avengers may be successfull indeed, but it is not as perfect or great as you claim
parkerray - 12/21/2012, 4:28 PM
@kenjim not sure but you may have accidentally watched Cap's deleted scenes and missed the actual movie.
parkerray - 12/21/2012, 4:41 PM
@bam nice article, love the topic. And like the idea of letting people salivate for Hulk rather than overdoing it, at this point.
Spideyguy94 - 12/21/2012, 4:44 PM
@kenjim152 cap actually got the most screen time in the avengers so you're argument there about him being relegated to b list doesn't work.
kenjim152 - 12/21/2012, 4:59 PM
@parkerray "deleted scenes" so they are not part of the actual movie right?
@spideyguy94 i never talked about screen time dude, Caps is one if my favorite marvel characters and the way I have read it Caps is always in charge, giving orders, planing, cause he is the Avengers leader, if there us a missile on its way to blow up the team, Nick FUry is supposed to let Caps know first, then Caps will decide how to handle that, letting Tony take that place is just letting Robert Downey Jr save the day because he is ...... Robert Downey Jr if u cannnot see it fine I Dont personally care, just hope Marvel gets to give Steve Rogers the role he deserves on Acengers 2.
AOSgotAlright - 12/21/2012, 7:09 PM
@ ManofSuperGuy -

My biggest issue with Cap the First Avenger was that it really should have been 2 movies. There was a lot that was just skipped over. I did like that it reminded a lot of an 'adventure movie' a la Indiana Jones, though not as good, I appreciated it. No one really calls that a master-piece.

I like Rises too. I thought it was a lot more fun than people give it credit for. It does have a lot of issues though and pretty big ones. We can debate the details, but my biggest issue is that massive elements were introduced that did nothing to improve the story. It's not an issue to me that Batman quit for 8 years, it is an issue to me that it did absolutely nothing to tell a better story. It actually detracted from it. Bruce is so upset he's a shut-in for 8 years, then out of nowhere he sleeps with Talia after meeting her maybe 3 times. Bruce's legs are shot, but they put on the magic knee brace and he's fine. Why introduce it at all? What good does it do? Why steel his money when they quickly state that all the trades would be rescinded and he'd get it all back? There are plenty of instances of these.

Nolan creates things that don't really make much sense and contribute nothing to the plot. He kept adding things for complexity sake, not to tell a better story. TDK was epic. I've never seen a movie capture the feeling of chaos so well. It was a masterpiece. People may say Cap the 1st Avenger is their favorite movie, but no one is calling it a masterpiece. TDK and Rises are not in the same category. Rises maybe someone's favorite, but a masterpiece? Really?
kenjim152 - 12/21/2012, 7:55 PM
@JStark I know shield is on command, but how many times TOny said he would not folllow Fury's orders??? , how many times Stark said he was not a Shield's soldier??? So y would Fury let him know before any1 else??? Because he is Robert Downey Jr. And ...,,,, Robert Downey Jr had to save the day!!!!!!!! Iron Man also got the pic of main character on the movie póster everybody else is behind him, as I said before on this site Marvel knows a big part of their cinematic universe success is thanks to Robert Downey Jr cause he is a vera charming guy, it is not Caps stopping the missile with gis shield, but he is the group leader!!!!!!! Not Iron Man he is supposed to be the big guy of the show!!!!!!
kenjim152 - 12/21/2012, 8:01 PM
@Jstark "a split movie on an unestablushed character is incredibly ballzy" yeah right what about Iron man? What about Thor? What about Blade? :s
kenjim152 - 12/21/2012, 8:39 PM
@JStark Fury let Iron man know cause he is Robert Downey Jr and thats it.
Bam - 12/21/2012, 9:03 PM
AcidicHeart

Just dropped a comment on your article about the future of Marvel, btw that was a pretty spectacular write up dude
kenjim152 - 12/22/2012, 10:38 AM
Unibeam11 i am not bashing any movie, the avengers is actually one of my favorite movies EVER!!!!! I Dont even remember how everything started, but what i know is that I said the avengers is a very succesful movie, but not as grat as everybody claims, for instance what u mentioned, Fury contacting Iron Man trough a comunicator because he has got ine right? , but all troughout the final fight Caps, Hawkeye, black widow, Thor, Iron Man etc, were in touch and just Iron Man and Fury have got comunication devices!!!!!! Howis it possible ????? Now I remember what i Had said and it was that i did not like Iron Man hacine such a bigger role than CAps specially if Caps is the group leader and its inspiration itself, if you Pay close attention Caps was rescued by Iron Man when he fought Lucky, when he was being shot by a guión the hellicarrier, etc etc and I could keep giving in saying how a big part if the movie Iron man is; and it is not because of ironman, but because RD Jr is a very Good actor and very charming and the studio knows a big part of the succes of MCU is because of RD Jr!!!! And I LOVE THE AVENGERS movie , but as o said it is not as great as everybody claims :)
kenjim152 - 12/23/2012, 3:59 PM
Unibeam11 so at the end u actually agree with me and u e schooling me? The Avengers brilliant with no comunication devices and everybody talking ti each other as if they had one, brilliant and all chitauri soldiers died after the Nike as if they were robots, brilliant and we had hulk completely led by rage on the hellicarrier and then out of the blue he can control himself, sorry man, but i have read comics for more than 25 years and you think that you have schooled me by saying u agree that RD Jr was a basic point if the movie marketing ( something i has said like 10 posts ago) i never compares the avengers to any CBM and u just did, I actually think the movie is great and marvel Disney getting 1 billón usd just enseres we getting a lot more CBM for my/our delight, but accepting that box office makes great movies would be accepting TDKR is a masterpiece (something i would not agree with BTW), and Caps not being a member if the original group so ... Was black widow? Was Hawkeye? So u actually know y the avengers defroze Caps right? So about schooling me ..... No thanx, but no thanx :)

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