EDITORIAL: Can a CBM about villains work?

Spider-Man, The Avengers, Superman, Batman. There are plenty of popular movies about the heroes, but will audiences see a movie about the "bad guys"?

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By Superzero - 12/13/2013
Yesterday's announcement of the upcoming Venom and Sinister Six movies is an interesting idea to say the least, as this will be the first time that a major comic book movie will focus on the villain, but will it draw in audiences? Sony certainly seems to think so, as they gave the go-ahead to not just one, but two movies focusing on the guys that audiences want to see lose.

"Venom" is a movie that has been in and out of development hell for fifteen plus years now and it is no surprise that Sony would finally make the big push to get it out and into the spotlight. Does this mean that we will see a Venom origin outside of the regular Spidey Cinematic Universe(SCU)? I find it hard to believe that any Venom movie will hit the big screen before 2016, the date ASM3 is supposed to release. More likely we will see Eddie Brock in some capacity in ASM3 and he will branch off into his own film. It could also be that Venom will be released along side ASM3 as a companion film, but for that to happen Sony would need to get things moving very quickly. Venom is a character that is already recognizable to a wider audience and getting them into the seats for his own movie shouldn't be too much of a worry for Sony. What the story would focus on would depend what happens BEFORE Venom gets his own movie. We know that hints are being dropped about "Venom" and Eddie Brock but until we get to see Amazing Spider-Man 2 we can only speculate. I assume that the set-up for Venom will occur in ASM3 and lead into his own film. Perhaps it will be the anti-hero Venom who was so popular in the late 90's. I would love to see a movie where Venom is still a bad guy but circumstance throws him into the role of hero and protector.

A tougher sell though is the planned "Sinister Six" film. Of the six we have only been introduced to the Lizard and Electro. Granted we are getting Rhino and some form of Goblin this Spring but we are still 2 short of our 6. Which leads us to that great shot in the current ASM2 trailer, the one in which we catch a quick glimpse of a flight harness and some rather nasty tentacles. "Sinister Six" could come out some time between ASM3 and ASM4, assuming that The Six are the antagonists of ASM4. Giving an entire film to the set-up of Spidey's greatest foes seems like a smart move. In doing this they could devote more on screen time to what the fans really want to see: Spidey throwing down big time with Lizard, Electro, Vulture, Doc Ock, Rhino, and The Green Goblin. Giving the big bads their own movie would give the audience a different take of the Superhero genre all together. Perhaps it will be a "Dirty Dozen" (half dozen?) styled film of Osborn building his army with the best of the worst his labs have to offer. As the film ends the Sinister Six is complete and ready to take down Spider-Man once and for all.

A Sinister Six movie is a bigger gamble than a Venom movie for sure, but it could be far more interesting. Think of it as the "Anti-Avengers", we always cheer for the good guys, wouldn't you love a chance to cheer for the bad guys? I certainly would!

Let me know what you think! What other Villains deserve their own movie?
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Superzero - 12/13/2013, 8:10 AM
Taskmaster anyone?
MatchesMalone - 12/13/2013, 8:23 AM
Seems like a pretty big gamble to me. I mean, is anyone really clamoring to see villains as the lead in a movie? Good editorial anyway, Superzero.
GliderMan - 12/13/2013, 8:28 AM
The Sinister Six can get their own [frick]ing movie but Loki can't.

Wtfe
Superzero - 12/13/2013, 8:43 AM
@Matches

Venom is well known and well liked enough by the avg public to turn a decent profit and possibly start a second franchise. A Sinister 6 would almost need to be a ASM 3 1/2 or a prelude to ASM4. Meaning Spidey would need to be in it in some capacity (only a few scenes) and it would be a "one shot" type movie bridging the sequels but giving proper introductions to Vulture and doc Ock (my favt) without cramming them in the way they did with Venom in SM3.

@Yossarian

I'm thinking it would be somewhat of an "Origin" type film for the group as a whole and the newest rogues most likely Ock and Vulture. Good point about the Good Vs. Evil but I give them the thumbs up for doing something new.

@Gliderman

Patience. It could happen. There will be a bigger chance if any of these make $$$
Pending - 12/13/2013, 8:44 AM
I think Megamind and Despicable Me are great examples of how many directions this genre can go which is not many. :p
Interestein - 12/13/2013, 8:52 AM
Drew Goddard helming the Avengers equivalent to one of the most profound superheroes ever created? Why is anyone complaining about this?

I really can't wait for it, but I seriously think the Lizard will not be apart of the Six, but instead Venom or Mysterio (rather Venom helping Spidey out)
BatsFan - 12/13/2013, 9:08 AM
I think it will be like a hist or mob movie but with superpower.
DEVLIN712 - 12/13/2013, 9:08 AM
I don't know if this can work, the beat villains are the ones the audience hates, making them the lead role is going to be hard
Pending - 12/13/2013, 9:30 AM
Best bet is to make Sinister Six into a heist movie.
dougieisrollingthejays - 12/13/2013, 10:07 AM
The reason sinister six get a film but not loki is because Marvel has like 50 more heroes they can do! WE DON'T NEED A LOKI FILM!!! I would rather see Thanos, or Glaactus solo films then Loki.
Tainted87 - 12/13/2013, 10:29 AM
Oh joy of joys, I knew an article like this would pop up. I love it.


The potato head is Strax, and he's a clone of a clone of a clone... from Doctor Who. This was, in fact, what we got from the Day of the Doctor theatrical screening.


Is he a villain? No. He's just a blood-thirsty nutjob. And it's fantastic.

Different perspectives.

Anyone watch Snatch? There is no innocent party, and it's more of a comedy than anything else. How about Pulp Fiction? Reservoir Dogs? Ok so you can guess that they're all heist movies of a sort, and the "villains" aren't TRULY bad people, just colorful characters who make bad decisions.

The Sinister Six could be awesome. The villain would be Spider-man.
Superzero - 12/13/2013, 11:33 AM
@Tainted87

Thanks! Unless you were being sarcastic. lol

I agree that if a movie was made about a "Blood thirsty nut job" and that movie was called "Venom" we would be in for a treat. Sadly I assume we will get more of a "Lethal Protector" 90's style Venom. Sinister 6 as a "Inglorious Basterds"/"Dirty Dozen" style heist movie also has serious potential if only because nothing like that has come out yet.
Superzero - 12/13/2013, 11:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YDYL6oECjU

I would watch an entire film like this over and over and over
MrCameron - 12/13/2013, 11:48 AM
I'm personally very intrigued with a film focused on the Sinister Six.

It would be something we've never seen before in a superhero film; a heist movie focusing on the villains.

It has a lot of potential to be really good and I give major props to Sony for having the balls to try and pull this off.
TwistedKingdom - 12/13/2013, 12:05 PM
This feels like a stretch. Expanding the Spider-Man universe for expansion sake. "Do as Marvel Studios does".

That said, I'm not against the idea of expanding. But instead of the Sinister Six, how about with characters like Black Cat or Spider-Woman?
superbatspiderman - 12/13/2013, 1:41 PM
I think a Venom movie could work but I am not sure about the Sinister Six movie. Venom has been an anti-hero before when the Sinister Six is just a group of crazy super villains.
Tainted87 - 12/13/2013, 1:56 PM
AnnoDomini,
Totally missing the point, man. He's not in any way the villain, just a force of nature.
cipher - 12/13/2013, 2:19 PM
Honestly, I'm not too sure about the Sinister Six thing.. but, it would be interesting to see how they present Spidey from that POV.
cipher - 12/13/2013, 2:21 PM
Plus, Drew Goddard's involved, so..

We'll see.
Jollem - 12/13/2013, 3:03 PM
i see people lack creativity
Jollem - 12/13/2013, 3:28 PM
ever seen reservoir dogs? they were bad guys

there ya go. that's just one of thousands of examples
cipher - 12/13/2013, 3:51 PM
Facade - 12/13/2013, 4:47 PM
I thought The Dark Knight was about The Joker.
Tainted87 - 12/13/2013, 7:21 PM
Force of nature, like the police.
As in everything's taking off without a hitch, but they're still sweating. Why? Because the forecast calls for Spider-man.

As in, they've come up with a plan to keep Spider-man from interfering entirely, and while escaping, kidnap hostages Random Persons #1, #2, #3, and Peter Parker, not knowing they're one in the same.

As in, they decide NY isn't *safe* and plan a robbery in Toronto the same day Peter's doing whatever there.

As in, they dont want to split up because they have a better chance of getting taken down on their own.
Tainted87 - 12/13/2013, 7:37 PM
If it helps, watch this clip...

....then imagine that Ed and Shaun are two of the Sinister Six, and Spider-man is... well, the zombies.
MightyZeus - 12/13/2013, 10:19 PM
I have my doubts but i think Sinister Six can work. I mean i love Megamind and thats a kids film about a super villain.

Reservoir Dogs is an adult film about thieves robbing a jewelry store and understanding each character in that film.

Also, Oceans Eleven. I mean all there character's are good and they have a sense of morality but the group is still ripping off three casinos.
ds9epicfan - 12/13/2013, 10:23 PM
The general public won't go see a comic book villain movie only comic book readers who are fans of that particular villain!Need evidence....Catwoman!!
vandinejd - 12/13/2013, 10:45 PM
I demand a Red Skull solo film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NateGrey - 12/13/2013, 11:00 PM






Looking like this...



Taskmaster would be awesome. Getting a criminal under world started, committing high profile crimes, stealing information, setting up his school to train the criminals in the marvel cinematic universe...
beane2099 - 12/13/2013, 11:33 PM
My initial reaction to this news was "are you kidding?". But I will say The Superior Foes of Spiderman is actually a good book. And for that matter Spider-Man himself has been a villain for the past year. I think this idea will get scrapped eventually though. That's just my opinion.
MightyZeus - 12/14/2013, 12:50 AM
I agree a Taskmaster movie would be amazing.
therealcaptainamerica - 12/14/2013, 3:35 AM
Spidey Cinematic Universe? Is that what we are calling it?
Tainted87 - 12/14/2013, 4:06 AM
@AnnoDomini
saintixe56 - 12/14/2013, 7:12 AM
Happy to stand up & be counted.

I have signed the petitionm handed leaflets about a solo Loki movie. Before you groan, grant me space to explain why.

The sagas, which feed the Marvel Universe, give Loki as Loki plenty of fun stories (and wholesome for the Disney kids friendly franchise).

A solo Loki movie can bring about the interval needed for a Thor3 - cliffhanger leading to an Avengers 3 movie.
Thor 3: Twilight of the Gods
Avengers 3 : Ragnarok.

Solo Loki movie set in Asgard only, with the Warriors 3, Lady Sif, introducing the new actor who is to replace Anthony Hopkins. Solves the where is Odin, what happened to Odin and why does Asgard and Heimdall miss this is not Odin sitting on the throne? Give plenty of time to allow the development of Thor on Earth bonding with Jane and the Avengers. Unlike the two Thors which were in essence dark: Thor 1 being about a cocky selfish guy and his jealous sibling Thor 2 about losing one's parent and trying to resolve siblings issues better. Result : from Thor POV he is minus a brother, a mother and self-exiled, not a great success, right? The solo Loki will be lighter in tone, set in fantasy swashbuckling action and why not, give Loki some dalliance time (ready for Loki's army to stab my back) with ... the Enchantress and Skurge or Lorelei (TH has mentioned Lady Loki and MCU has already have Sif being made to play Lady Loki); it can be a totally fun movie ending up with a Thor cameo and a Thanos cameo breaking to shreds all this fun within the last 2-3 minutes of the movie and opening to Thor3...
It is doable, can integrate the Avengers and Thor and GOTG arcs.

Because at the end, any baddie or hero movie must be part of the Marvel Universe like a piece of a puzzle. Stand alones cannot work if they do not become part of the MCU/MMU!
jTiso - 12/14/2013, 7:27 AM
Don't know if this has been addressed yet, but Nick Spencer's Superior Foes of Spiderman would be PERFECT for a movie or television adaption. And for it to get success, they have to play it exactly the same way they do in the comic. The book is criminally underrated.
GliderMan - 12/14/2013, 10:05 AM
I think for a Loki movie they should do something completely different than the average superhero movie. Don't make Loki the protagonist who suddenly becomes heroic.

It's pretty clear that a Loki movie won't happen in Phase 3. I think a movie should be based on the aftermath of Thor 3 and Avengers 3. Give Loki some kind of dilemma that stresses him and causes flashbacks to his childhood or exile at the end of Thor. You could show what all he explored between that time and the Avengers and how those experiences and newfound knowledge is related to whatever his present struggle might be.

Idk, think out of the box.
TheDemonsHead - 12/14/2013, 10:10 AM
if the lizard happens to show up again i really hope he gets an updated version of the lizard formula to alow him to actually look as he should

the lizard photo: Lizard Lizard.jpg




monstalova - 12/14/2013, 10:51 AM
So many people saying its hard to root for the bad guy?
In CBMs the villains usually have the best lines, best actors, best costumes etc. You dont have to root for the bad guy but wouldn't you be interested in seeing the other half. Most people I talk to love the villains, are hanging to see proper backstory and understanding behing the evil.
Bring it on! We need to get out of this mould of only going with the grade that the media gives us. The villains story would be just as great as the heroes, sometimes even better. There is a reason why so many people love the villains more!
monstalova - 12/14/2013, 10:53 AM
They only thing they cannot do is make the villain a good guy!!
I want to see pure evil not sugar coated hollywood family crap
sikwon - 12/14/2013, 1:02 PM
Like any movie, if its done right it will work. Hell be the end of the Silence of the Lambs movie people were rooting for Hannibal. Once his backstory was fleshed out, we were able to sympathize and enjoy him eating dudes brain. Its all about the story and how is presented.
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