Thoughts on Man of Steel trailer

I give my thoughts on the newly released trailer for, Man of Steel.

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By Nick Salinski - 12/11/2012


I won't lie, I was skeptical about Man of Steel because of the director and plus, I have always hated Superman (although, I did enjoy both the original film and Superman Returns). That being said, I really enjoyed the trailer and not only do I want to see it but also, I hope it starts a DC Cinematic Universe. Lets go over some of what I feel the highlights of the trailer were.



Not being as well educated in the Superman mythos as many of you are, I found this bit to be quite interesting. Clark: "What was I suppose to do? Let them die?" Pa: "Maybe." I think it was a really good piece of the trailer. It, for me, sets the tone for the rest of the trailer. It's probably my favorite part of the whole trailer.



Superman takes flight. This is where (in speculation of mine) he finds the suit and then takes off into space. He doesn't really fully know who he is and (like in the original and in the lore too if I am correct) goes to the fortress of solitude to find out who he is and where he comes from. Yes, I know I am captain obvious but still.



Zod's ship? Maybe? Could this lead to the possible demise of Jonathan Kent? Who knows. Either way, this was a really interesting bit of the trailer and I can't wait to see how that scene goes down.



I think that might be Faora beating on Supes. That's one thing I really like about this trailer. Despite the claim from many haters that Superman is invincible, including myself. This trailer shows that Superman can still lose without Kryptonite. I really like it.

Final thoughts: I really like the trailer and it has me pumped for, Man of Steel and I really hope it starts a cinematic universe (despite the fact, I don't like DC and prefer Marvel). 2013 is going to be another amazing year for comicbook films. Although, based on the two big trailers between Iron Man 3 and the newly released Man of Steel. I think I'm going to like Iron Man 3. This is also of personal preference and with no intentions of starting another flame war but, I don't see Man of Steel or any DC cinematic universe movies being better than Marvel's Cinematic Universe (There are two movies that no cbm's can top in my heart, Avengers and TASM). I am now officially planning on seeing this film on opening weeked and for the first time in my life, I can say that I am looking forward to Superman.
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BSingerFoxMen - 12/11/2012, 11:18 AM
Little worried. The dialog, and acting seem awfully forced, and wooden. Still looking forward to it, but fear Nolan has more influence here than I would have liked. Trailers should excite me, and make me WANT to see a movie, but so far there is just too damn much sadness in the overtones. The very reason I wasn't excited for TDKR, and that let me down big time. Hope what they're showing isn't the direction they're headed with this film.
CPIXLEY - 12/11/2012, 11:36 AM
Man of Steel will be better than Iron Man 2. Boom.
tonytony - 12/11/2012, 12:24 PM
this thread is a knee jerk reaction from an insecure marvel fanboy.
who now realises this is the main comic book movie event of 2013.

This films success is good for the industry especially if it kicks of shared DC universe. it looks awesome, awesome, awesome!!!
batfan175 - 12/11/2012, 12:27 PM
KnightofSteel: nolan loves the characters as much as anybody. it's just that his interpretation does not agree with you but he never set out to please evrybody because he wanted to tell his story of his version of batman. You want a different version? Go make your own batman movie and show us how you see the character; i'm sure there are still gonna be people hating on you and saying that you have no respect for the characters no matter what you do.
Preston - 12/11/2012, 12:55 PM
@KnightofSteel

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You are always beating me to the punchline.

And, @Batfan175, Nolan (and company) doesn't have a clue:

noquitter

“And I swear by the spirit of my parents to avenge their deaths by spending the rest of my life warring on all criminals.”

-Bruce Wayne [Detective Comics #27]

Batman is not a quitter:

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Making Batman a quitter flies in the face of the Batman mythos and everything that makes the character great. You don't mess with something started by Bob Kane that has been fundamental to the character for over 75 years, and don't expect a backlash by fans.

EdgyOutsider - 12/11/2012, 1:29 PM
@tonytony: I'm not an insecure Marvel fanboy. I never even said it is the main comicbook movie event of 2013. I just think it looks really good and will probably make big bucks. Movie event of 2013 though? Highly unlikely as to I feel that either Iron Man 3 or Thor: The Dark World will take that crown. It's a matter of opinion. Even if I do see it like I intend to and I do end up enjoying it, I still won't like Superman.
batfan175 - 12/11/2012, 1:34 PM
@yossarian: you can do whatever you want, buddy, life's still going to go on with or without you mocking people on the forum.
batfan175 - 12/11/2012, 1:37 PM
@KnightofSteel: if it's not faithful that does not make it a bad movie. for example, Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of the Shining was waaaayyyy better than the book, whose third act i couldn't care for. Francis ford Coppolla's adaptation of the Godfather was better than the original source material. Diverging from the source material can make for a good movie but so fra i haven't even seen an indication that that's going to happen here. Superman has his serious stories as well *death of superman*....
batfan175 - 12/11/2012, 1:48 PM
@Preston: so should batman carry a gun and shoot people? 'cause that's also part of the earliest comics, right?
Nolan was much more interested in Bruce wayne than batman and that's how it should be because batman is just a tool for bruce wayne to get his rage out. from what i understand you people actually have a problem with the idea that batman could quit permanently. See I don't have that problem because if one can make that idea work i'm open to innovation. You are holding back the growth of the character because any reasonable individual would recognize after a while that a war against crime cannot be won because once you have cleaned up the streets it is always possible to criminalize other kinds of conduct and so the war goes on forever. If Bruce wayne could wish for his parents to be back and never have to wear the stupid costume you can be sure he'd take that chance, as was shown even in the BTAS. I also don't care for the fact that the comics do not allow for any of the members of the Rogue's gallery to be healed permanently from their mental illnesses at some point and it's a stupid marketing gimmick. At some point i want something more substantial and some character growth and development. But you guys seem to be happy when you just see the same things being played out over and over again, like a bad soap opera that won't end.
batfan175 - 12/11/2012, 1:54 PM
@yossarian: come on, I cannot complain about the fact that you are unhappy with me bringing up that point when it is perfectly legitimate? I'm sure if every one of you got the money to make a batman movie it would not look the same or have the same tone and i'd bet there'd be plenty of people who'd constantly question your choices as well and you would not be able to make everybody happy and there's no guarantee you will even make a good movie. To make a good comicbook adaptation you need to be able to make a good movie first and Nolan has proven that and he has made at least 2 of the best comicbook movies out there because they are often cited as influence on other people's work. Sorry but that's a fact. You all forget that we all can have a different idea of what batman is. Chris Nolan seems to think that batman has limits and that breaking his own rule had to have some weight...
BSingerFoxMen - 12/11/2012, 1:55 PM
@batfan-you have shown repeatedly that you just don't get the point that is being made. Nolan made ok movies (not masterpieces), but failed miserably in making BATMAN movies. Sorry bud.
aresww3 - 12/11/2012, 2:21 PM
@Batfan and Yosserin - I hate that argument as well, about make your own movie. Its pretty stupid, but I think people are being hard on him. He should have worded it different. I think he was saying that no matter how faithful you are to the source material people are still going to complain and that´s clearly true.

I personally think this trailer looks awesome; my only gripe with it is that Pa Kent seems to be encouraging Clark to let people die to save his identity. Not very Pa Kent to me who is suppossed to be Clarks moral compass. Apart from that I think Snyder may have nailed it, and modernised superman for a new generation. Lets hope Flash and Wonder Woman are next.

@batfan - Last, I think people aren´t complaining about the Batman trilogy, but the last movie, which I must admit I didn´t like. I respect what Nolan tried to do, but he got to bogged down in realism, so none of the characters remained faithful in any way to the comics. I don´t mind re-interpreting and modernising characters as long as you are guided by the original mythology or story. Bane was just some muscle man, Batman came out in the daytime, Catwoman was essentially just a cat burgarler, Bruce Wayne gives up his quest to protect Gotham, Ras Al Ghul isn´t immortal. One of these things I could have forgiven, but combined it was a mess and generally a bad movie. But I still think Batman Begins was a master piece, and The Dark Knight had the best villain performance in a comic book movie of the last 10 years or so. The first two were highly entertaining and I´m sure most of these guys agree (yes you yossorin) or you wouldn´t have seen it in cinemas would you?
FirstAvenger - 12/11/2012, 3:39 PM
Nerdman is right.
superbatspiderman - 12/11/2012, 3:42 PM
@Preston - What about in The Dark Knight Returns? Batman quit in The Dark Knight Returns but then came back like he did in the movie.


You don't have to be a Nolanite to appreciate that Nolan saved Batman and transformed him into the most financially and critically successful CBM trilogy of all time.

As for the Man of Steel I have a good feeling about this and I think it could be a very good movie. I think it can be movie of 2013.
MrReese - 12/11/2012, 3:44 PM
Fock SR 1st n foremost!! XD The trailer kicked ass & Supes is gonna own the Summer betches! XD
MrReese - 12/11/2012, 3:46 PM
plus the beginning of the trailer is very reminiscent of BTAS theme which is like a fockin plus! haha
gmoney0505 - 12/11/2012, 4:13 PM
10 years or 20 years he still retired after someone died that he cared about dearly and he suppose to be batman forever. That is the type of double standard stuff about some of ya'll comic book readers that they try to justify to make it seems like TDRK is a bad movie and Nolan does not know what he is doing. He retired cause of his injuries form not only being Batman but the 8 more years prior to that too, and the cops were doing their jobs to capture criminals. If you hate TDKR, then dont try to say well in comics it was 20 years as Batman, he still f'in retired! Then you say that this didn't happen in comics or that didn't happen in comics and when people point it out to ya that these things did happen in various comics, you have nothing to say.

Can people please stop with the double standard syndrome just to try to hate on one man



aresww3 - 12/11/2012, 4:20 PM
@yossarin and Knightofsteel - I don´t even hate Dark Knight Rises, cause I can´t even get through it again. Its just so boring.
Some films Superhero films I can hate, at least thats a reaction. TDKR is simply a sedative for me. and yes everything is wrong. No venom for Bane? (by the way how the hell does that guy eat?) wrong villains? tons of exposition.

The Dark Knight agin after the immediate wow factor, looking back at it, Heath saved that film. It was a mediocre and often boring film with career making performance by Heath. Two Face is completely miscast, plot holes keep coming up and The Joker isn´t half as funny as he could be (not Heaths fault), plus there´s no character arch for the Joker meaning you just don´t care about him. Don´t get me wrong I like the Dark Knight, but I´ve never understood why its praised over Batman Begins.
That film is absolutely superb, brilliantly cast (Katie was much better than Maggie) The guy who played Scarecrow was creepy, funny and brilliant. It was just a classy film.
But TDKR, is pure bullshit, wrong villain, poor character development, not enough action, way to much exposition, and even when they killed Batman, possibly one of my top 3 superheroes, I felt almost nothing. So I totally agree on TDKR.
Spideyguy94 - 12/11/2012, 4:30 PM
This is a superman article not a batman one, if I want to see people talking about batman I'll go to a batman article. This Marvel vs DC and TDKR vs The Avengers bullshit has got to stop, its really turning the comment section into and argument section, not one article that's either marvel or dc related in comics or movies can have a civil discussion without someone attacking either the article itself or a comment.
Preston - 12/11/2012, 4:36 PM
@SUPERBATSPIDERMAN

Batman retires after 30 years of crime-fighting (not 1). Plus, when he comes back, he kills off his Bruce Wayne persona [literally] and lives as Batman (he doesn't quit again).

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Psychologically, Frank Miller's Batman (earth-31) and Nolan's Batman are vastly different. They are the complete opposite of one another:

In Frank's Batman, Bruce Wayne is the mask that Batman wears.

In Nolan's Batman, Bruce Wayne wears a mask to play vigilante.

Plus Frank Miller's Dystopian future, superheroes have been outlawed by the government, the stronger ones are being used by the government (since their loved ones are held hostage). Batman, really had no choice, but to retire or fight the system. In the end (after 10 years of grinding his teeth), he chose to comeback and fight the system.
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This is key to the characterization of Batman:

“And I swear by the spirit of my parents to avenge their deaths by spending the rest of my life warring on all criminals.”

-Bruce Wayne [Detective Comics #27]

People always say that the comic-book Batman has no endgame. He does: Fight to the death.

And, in Earth-31, we get a Batman that quits being Bruce Wayne, and spends the remainder of his life 'warring on all criminals.' he doesn't go on vacation and leave his city to a rookie with no training.

Nolan's Rises is one of the worst interpretations of Batman that we have ever had on screen [literally]. It may be a great movie, but it sucks as a superhero movie. And, The Dark Knight Returns has nothing to do with any of his movies in tone or characterization; trying to link the two is preposterous.
Tainted87 - 12/11/2012, 6:08 PM
So yeah, back to Superman...
I really want to like it. I was excited about this trailer when it was announced a month or so ago, and I thought: "this is it, this is going to be the one that makes all the doubt go away".

Well it didn't, and in fact, it kind of added on. I like Zach Snyder, and when he was announced years ago, I was so happy. I'm confident in his ability to give us the right kind of Superman.

But this was a disappointment. Within just a few days, we've seen the trailers for Oblivion and After Earth, which look almost identical, and then we get another piece of minimalism in the form of Superman, which really tells us nothing about any of the characters. We are supposed to be sold on an idea, and it just didn't hit home.

Poor trailer. The only thing I did like about it though was when Zod shows up, the next bit is Superman being thrown to his knees. Whether Zod delivers that line or not, it was a nice visual reference.
GuardianDevil - 12/11/2012, 6:55 PM
C'mon guys, you don't have any taste if you HATED Nolan's Batman, they were some great stories. They're over now (thank god, no more obsessive fanboys) Nolan did a great job. Aside from that Batman is cool and everything, but Superman is and always has been and always will be the best that DC has to offer. Superman Returns was a bad movie, it was a total injustice to Superman. This new one looks good from what I've seen, but I'll have to wait and see the film before I make an accurate judgement.
95 - 12/11/2012, 7:17 PM
I liked the trailer we got today. Yeah, I wanted more Zod, but I like quality of the VFX. Whether Henry Cavill's in Justice League or not, I like how they're treating Superman as the world's first and only superhero. Also, I like the destruction of Metropolis... I like that they're aren't holding back on making Zod an almost-apocalyptic threat.
Supes17 - 12/11/2012, 10:01 PM
Holy shit Preston give it a rest. Lmao
Sideswipe89 - 12/11/2012, 10:12 PM
I dont get all the hate for the Dark Knight Rises. I thought it was a really good movie. And this is coming from someone who is a huge marvel and avengers fan. It looks like superman is gonna be pretty good too. We'll just have to wait and see
kenjim152 - 12/11/2012, 10:31 PM
@Lizard1 superman returns (which nobody liked and underperformed) made $200081192 usd only in the us, Thor (a movie everybody liked myself included) made $181030624 usd in the us, Iron Man 2 made (one of the worst MCU movies ) made $312433331 usd in the us, so considering that marvel Thor was a so much better movie than SR and it made a lot less in the box office and that IM is the most profitable marvel solo franchise cause of RD Jr and it just made 112 millions more than the horrible movie supes got, i cannnot see how they could possibly do better than man of steel in 2013
kenjim152 - 12/11/2012, 10:50 PM
@Preston on the nolaverse Bruce wayne was barman for mire than a year, u as a big Batman fan that u r (it is a deduction from ur posts ) must know that the animated home video GOTHAM NIGHT takes Place beetwen Batman begins and the Dark knight, so batman faced scarecrow, killer crock, ras al ghul, two face, the joker, deadshot and regular criminals before facing bane and Thalía, also a major is elected beetwen BB and TDK so we are talking about 6-10 year time line from BB to TDK not 1 year. I have told u before that Vatman has quit before on comic books u just do not want to take it as it is.
EdgyOutsider - 12/12/2012, 12:55 AM
kenjim152: Iron Man 2 is the worst of the movies in the MCU but, it doesn't mean that it's a bad movie. It's just not as good as the others. That being said, I did enjoy Superman Returns for what it is. It might not have the epic violence but, I think as a non superman fan, it helped me appreciate the movie. I do feel that Man of Steel will be the third best of the comicbook movies next year because from jduging by the Iron Man 3 trailer and from what we have heard about, Thor: The Dark World. Man of Steel (in my opinion) is coming of as the weaker of the three. Don't get me wrong, I am really looking forward to Man of Steel and I hope it starts a DC Cinematic Universe despite my love of Marvel over DC. But, I don't think it will be as good.
Coldblood6 - 12/12/2012, 5:39 AM
It's an interesting trailer which stimulates mixed responses from.

PROS:
- They're taking the material seriously.
- They're trying to give it emotional weight.
- VFX look good.
- Flight scene looks good.
- Zod looked menacing.

CONS
- Not enought action scenes.
- It may be waaaayyy too serious and be trying to hard to be artsy; there was a complete lack of levity. It seems noaln's stamp is definitely there.
- It REALLY needed another 'money shot' to excite non-Superman/DC fanboys like myself.
- It doesn't show anything of Cavill's acting with dialogue; this is significant I think.
- The plot points seem quite obvious. It's still just Superman's origin which is really not that interesting to see again if you're not a Superman fan.

I was going to see this movie despite not being a Superman fan (and despite nolan's involvement as I definitely NOT a nolan fan and I loathe his style and influence) because it's a CBM and I'm a fan of Zack Snyder. after the trailer I am still going to see it but it didn't make raving to see it. On the plus side it didn't make me think this is crap and needs to avoided like the plague, like every trailer for green lantern.
JM4Superman - 12/12/2012, 7:11 AM
Seriosuly, what is with the hate on Nolan? If it wasn't for him, Batman would still be a joke after Batman and Robin. As for Nolan in Man of Steel, He has mentioned that this is not film and the tone would be different from The Dark Knight Trilogy.
kenjim152 - 12/12/2012, 7:39 AM
@Lizard1 Maybe I did not get my point across, I am talking about tendencies, and what I meant is that even when supes got a crappy movie (Dont get me wrong supes is my fav CB character ever), it had a bigger audience than Thor and Iron Man and we can know that just bye comparing their numbers, Supes returns came out in 2006, Iron Man in2010 and Thor 2011, based on the dates, tickets price (Thor was 3D,3D tickets are more expensive than regular tickets), and inflation, supes numbers are really close if not bigger than Iron Man's. The audience has always been there, what we never got black in 2006 was the movie every1 was expecting, so if Snyder and Molan can deliber a Good product numbers will just rise, and I am sorry to tell you, but year movie events are determined on how much money a movie makes not on how Good it is (i.e. Avatar), so that is why I said I do not see how could Thor ir even Iron Man could possibly do better than Man of steel.
bakongo - 12/12/2012, 7:54 AM
Saying that Iron Man or Thor will make more money than Superman is just plain ignorant. Superman is the most popular and iconic superhero world wide.
Preston - 12/12/2012, 8:15 AM
@kenjim152

Nolan's Bruce Wayne is Batman for 1-2 years max.

At the end of Batman Begins:
some_text
"He leaves a calling card."

Who does he fight in the Dark Knight?
some_text
We can assume that the events of the first movie lead directly into those of the second.

So, even if he does engage in those elements found in Gotham Nights, they happen within a few weeks (not months or years).


By the way about Gotham Nights, " The producers have acknowledged that it is not necessarily meant to be canon to the "Nolanverse."



Batman never quit in canon, but you can continue making up your own chronology [He spent a year, two at the most as Batman] and facts [going through detox, getting his back broken, or fighting his way back from the dead are not the same-thing as quitting].
kenjim152 - 12/12/2012, 8:48 AM
@Preston Good Wikipedia research, producers said it does not necesarily fit the nolaverse, because it is selfcontained, but the studio WB (which is the real boss here) has clearly said gotham knight takes place between Batman Begins and the Dark Knight, one more time you just do not want to take it as it is.
kenjim152 - 12/12/2012, 8:58 AM
@Preston Batman and Gordon have been placing radioactive bills all over Gotham so the mob leaders could store all that money in their saves, so the police could finally get them and u think all that work took a year? Many times on comic books Batman has spent years tracking the joker down specially when he is on something, so why would it take Batman just a year ir two to find him in the nolaverse?
EdgyOutsider - 12/12/2012, 10:22 AM
bakongo: sorry to say, Man of Steel isn't an event movie. He may be the first superhero but, unless everyone has completely forgotten about Superman Returns. I truly do not think it'll make as much money as the recent huge popularity of Thor and Iron Man (and the other Avengers characters). I'm no analyist for boxoffice results. I'm just judging by the popularity (which, I understand Superman is more popular) and judging by last boxoffice results.
Preston - 12/12/2012, 3:14 PM
kenjim152

You like to make up your facts, and you are grasping at straws to make your point (like a drowning man grabbing any floating object).



1). In one of the Gotham Tonight videos released to promote The Dark Knight, it is stated that the attack on the Narrows which took place toward the end of Batman Begins happened nine months previously.

2). From one of WB's official sites to promote the movie, "Mr. Wayne moved in to the building six months ago after the legendary Wayne Manor burnt to the ground - the result of a catastrophic fire that Mr. Wayne himself is rumored to have started in one of his notorious drunken parties."
http://www.gothamcablenews.com/articles/bruce_waynes_neighbors_are_not_happy.aspx

So, the events of The Dark Knight take place 6-9 months after the events of Batman Begins.

Batman was only Batman for about 1-2 years total before he retired.



Any person with half a brain could calculate that; It's brought up over and over again by people on this site because it's true. Plus, if you did a little research yourself online [you have a computer, use it], you would find your answer. Please, stop making up facts without any basis; your THEORIES are NOT FACTS.

You can't just fill in the gaps with whatever you want and call it a fact. I'm done schooling you.
kenjim152 - 12/12/2012, 3:32 PM
@Preston thanx from schooling me, but Tell where ur research says TDK starts just right after Wayne moved in to that building????!!!! I am notenyioning any facts, u usually do. First u said gotham knight could not be considered as part of the nolaverse, now u take it as a reference!!!!!! :s I am not giving any theories u just said there is no way Batman can be bats for just a year or two talking in to account Batman begins, gotham knight and the Dark knight. I also mentioned the radioactive bills work that is in the movie (not a theory) and that Job takes mire than 2 years, and as u said before u cannnot take it as it is cause u like to move ur arguments from one place to another, if u still believe Batman would never quit fine, if Nolan's Batman was just Batman for a year fine, but them try to stop convincing everybody about that :)
kenjim152 - 12/12/2012, 4:37 PM
Sorry about the typos stupid iPhone :(, i said u took gotham knight as a reference since u had typos before sorry about that
Preston - 12/12/2012, 4:37 PM
@kenjim152

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I said "Gotham Tonight", not Gotham Knights. It was part of the viral campaign for the movie. It is part of your The Dark Knight (movie) DVD extras.

Gotham Tonight

It says, "9 months" and it's part of the DVD; it comes with the farking movie.



Your command of the English language is a garbled mess. I can barely make heads or tails of the 'rubbish' that you are typing.

By the way, learn to do your own research.
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