EDITORIAL: Are MARVEL Events Even Events Anymore?

Ask yourself were you ever bemused to read a comic in which your favorite hero was turned into a major antagonist or read a comic "Event" that had heroes fighting heroes? Yes....No....Maybe?

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By SuperiorMrGod - 1/12/2014
I love Marvel, I really do but I hate the direction they've been going in with there events for quite some time. Now don't misinterpret me as a DC fan boy because I'm really impartial, like very. I just think these events every year are getting quite mundane. Especially because very few of these events have been consequential in anyway at all. There is no weight to them. Everything that happens in any of those events gets reconnected before the next event is even out.

Starting with Avengers Disassembled all the way up to Avenger vs X-men there have been to many occasions where heroes fight each other. Not to mention most Marvel events seem to end up turning a hero into a villain:
Scarlet Witch in Avenger Disassemble, Iron Man and Reed Richards in Civil War, The Illuminati(Doctor Strange,Iron Man,Black Bolt,etc)in World War Hulk, and Cyclops and his X-Men in Avenger vs X-Men. Is it just me or am I the only one getting sick and tired of that cycle? I think story wise it would be a much more compelling to read an event that has been building up for a minimum of two years. Similar to the way they set up Civil War except with story arcs not Events(i.e. Avengers Disassembled, Secret Invasion, and House of M all in a way were apart of a grander scheme that lead to Civil War).



With new Marvel events already coming out or being planned such as "Inhumanity" and "Original Sin" I highly doubt they will refine this cash cow gimmick but it doesn't hurt to be vocal about your complaints. So please be vocal in the comment section and if you disagree with the editorial try to give actual constructive criticism.
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NovaCorpsFan - 1/12/2014, 6:11 PM
I agree totally. I prefer to read old events to the new ones, because the old events have an actual story and meaning to them. They were a once a year thing and now they happen in every major title at least three times a year, plus at least two crossovers. It really isn't great anymore.
darkknight2149 - 1/12/2014, 6:30 PM
Totally agree. I mean a lot of them are great stories (I loved Civil War and AvX was a better read than what you'd expect from a gimmick like it is. Hell, there was already an AvX in the 1980s called X-Men Vs Avengers) but they don't even feel like events anymore.
GliderMan - 1/12/2014, 6:37 PM
I don't wanna be repetitive, but I refuse to read a Marvel comic until they reboot it. If that's never, fine.

No characters ever feel like they are in danger. When the Human Torch "died," I IMMEDIETLEY knew he hadn't. We all knew Peter Parker would eventually return. I just don't see the point in the comics anymore; all it is to me is just colorful art on a page. They fight the same old villains over and over again, no one ever stays dead.

Not only that, but when I read the old comics--I love the old comics--there's just no way I can picture them taking place in the same continuity as the modern comics. They're just so different.

They need to reboot these comics because then the stories would actually feel like they have meaning. Like seriously, wtf was Superior Spider-Man for, just to surprise/troll us?

I don't know, guys. Maybe it's just me.
ALmight - 1/12/2014, 7:02 PM
Totally agree, every event, from the big 2, are nothing but gimmicks. Marvel, for the most part, does things to promote the movies that are coming out that year. DC's reboot has tried so hard to make their old fashioned heroes cool that they have totally deform them. I still read Marvel, not as much as I used to, but I have totally given up on DC.
GliderMan - 1/12/2014, 7:06 PM
@ALmight Why do you think that? Justice League has been really good for the most part, the only complaint for me is Superman's character development in the second arc. And Detective Comics has been straight-up amazing.
MrCBM56 - 1/12/2014, 7:13 PM
Agreed!!! I think Marvel need to pull a "New 52".
MrCBM56 - 1/12/2014, 7:20 PM
Almight

I get what your saying, but the whole point of the New 52 was to introduce these heroes and comics to a new generation of readers. Plus, Forever Evil is better than a lot of Marvel Comics right now. Forever Evil, now that is an event.
ALmight - 1/12/2014, 8:08 PM
@MrCBM56, @GliderMan.I get what the reasoning was, but it was still a gimmick. They abandoned every old fashion ideal that made these characters great, they were icons, the were original archetypes and now is pretty much like reading Marvel with DC characters. Everything has to be dark, gritty,people have to be dying left and right
and they spend more time fighting each other than they do actual bad guys. At the end of the day I can't overlook what they have done to Superman, of all them he is the most unrecognizable. If I can't believe in Superman what reason do I have to read DC comics?
Pedrito - 1/12/2014, 8:09 PM
It's true that events have become no more than glorified arcs. But just like arcs, they vary in quality. I was surprised how good Infinity turned out, given the recent track record for events.
While events are better if built over years, like Civil War, they also have to be self contained.
Also, hero showing a darker side is not necessarily detrimental, much on the contrary actually, as long as it's not contrived. They did it well in the case of Stark, but not so well with Cyclops.
MrCBM56 - 1/12/2014, 8:11 PM
Almight

Understood.
GliderMan - 1/12/2014, 8:14 PM
What did they do to Superman?

And regardless, I still think it's the best decision for Marvel. They can learn from DCs mistakes.
ALmight - 1/12/2014, 8:38 PM
@GliderMan-I could go on a rant about what they have done to the character but I'm just glad he can still bring joy to reader like you, lets leave it at that. Marvel Now its pretty much a gimmicky reboot anyway.
GliderMan - 1/12/2014, 8:58 PM
@ALmight hey I just think it's entertaining, never said it was perfect. Haha
MoonDoggyX - 1/12/2014, 11:12 PM
I think Annihilation was the last Marvel good event. I think the problem with Marvel whether its Comics, movies or tv is that they are just strying to sell/promote their heroes instead of concentrating on giving us a good story. They really need to build up their villains, I think. To marvel's credit, they really know how to do their heroes justice, bu I really don't think any of the movies had a great villain yet. The closest one was Abomination. I really like the character Loki, just not as a main villain. Agents of Shield hasn't had any good villais yet. And I definitely agree with Superior that the comics are too much hero on hero, especially the events. An event should consist a villain, or villains, wrecking shop across multiple titles, not heroes getting into slapfights...


MoonDoggyX - 1/12/2014, 11:13 PM
And New 52 Justice league is an awesome read...
orpheus - 1/12/2014, 11:14 PM
I love Marvel Events. Some are done better than others, some are utterly forgettable (Fear Itself, AvsX), and some are incredible (Infinity, Civil War).

I'm not against this "hero against hero" thing that people seem so upset about. "Hero" and "Villain", especially as they're used in a comic book context, are exclusive comic book concepts - the kind of clear morality doesn't exist in any other medium (it's completely *childish*, too - there needs to be drama, character development, real choice and real risk rather than re-hashes of the same stale "Cap fights Skull, Cap almost loses, then comes back and wins! Status quo preserved!") so explicitly.

If you work with a group of people, if you function in the real world, if you have a group of friends, people in those groups fight, argue, disagree and see the world fundamentally differently...

If you have being with the power and capability to alter the world, whether they identify as selfish or selfless, they're going to conflict and someone's going to think they know the solution, have the right answer. They'll fight. "Heroes" will fight each other - you're not going to get someone to dress up and risk their lives unless they have a vision or ideal that means something to them.

And Marvel characters live in an especially complex world, where most marvel characters have a few serious personality defects - they're going to fight each other.

I love when an event happens and a character you care about has to make a REAL choice, not the choice we "know" they're going to make, as in the case when aliens invade or someone robs a bank - what do you do in the case of Super-person registration? What do you do if the Phoenix returns to inhabit your friend? I really appreciated in Uncanny Avengers were Cap's stubbornness came to bite him in the ass with the fragmenting of the group - these characters of great power and great willpower need that kind of drama to make them interesting and new.


johndawg - 1/12/2014, 11:52 PM
Last great Marvel comic event = ONSLAUGHT
Tevii - 1/13/2014, 12:01 AM
No... Marvel is where DC was in the early 80's. at that time DC had a mess of a continuity. Readers were confused everywhere. That's WHY they did Crisis on Infinite Earths. DC needed to streamline and adapt to bring in a younger audience.
Marvel is a freakin mess. 616, The Ultimates, Marvel Now. New readers have NO IDEA where to start.
This is a natural occurrence for something that has been around as long as they have. But Marvel needs a massive event like DC did with Crisis and even more so with the New 52.
DC had a solid plan with the new 52 and Marvel did a half ass job with Marvel Now.... marvel is in DIRE need of a "Crisis" or "New 52"
There is just too much confusion and the company relies too much on their crappy event comics.
Old readers will hate it, but you HAVE to do that in order to excite a new, younger audience. Because as of now, they are turned off by the confusion.
Tevii - 1/13/2014, 12:03 AM
And with the confusion, the events mean nothing
Foolkiller - 1/13/2014, 12:08 AM
The events are done to death, but reboots are not the answer, anywhere, ever. A change of direction id all that is needed as opposed to messing with decades of mythology.
BeyondTheGrave - 1/13/2014, 12:21 AM
I was honestly done after siege, that was the point I determined there were too many. The last event I enjoyed was world war hulk. I still have yet to finish fear itself just because it's too big, soooo many tie ins.
Equivocal - 1/13/2014, 12:38 AM
honestly the only book I'm reading right now is 'New Avengers' & 'Avengers' just because they've been written by Johnathan Hickman.

he's is by FAR, one of the best writers I've read in a long time, ever since I read his run of Fantastic Four and later on Avengers, I'm a truly fan !

'Infinity' is such a great read !!!
staypuffed - 1/13/2014, 1:33 AM
I would say AvX had an affect on the Marvel U.
Cyclops killing Professor X has changed the entire line of X-books. Teams have been torn apart, mutants have taken sides and everything's different. And the Avengers have branched out a lot more, involving the X-Men and other, lesser known characters. It's not like Infinity, or Battle of the Atom which, while fun, had NO impact on the MU whatsoever.
jimoakley666 - 1/13/2014, 1:43 AM
I find them to very much be a distraction from the actual stories you WANT to read. Over the last few years, due to my current location, I just can't get to comic shops. It's just not an option. So I rely on the tpb's to get my stories. The interruptions to these, when you have no interest in the 'event' is so bloody irritating. My current favourite run is Wolverine & the X-Men. And when AvX was on... [frick] me. Many pages wasted. If they want to do event, have them in their own self-contained book. The interruption to you current reading is very off-putting. And they really do need to cut back on them. What is it now, twice a year? How about one every three to four years. Get your house in order Marvel. Or the readers will [frick] off.
jimoakley666 - 1/13/2014, 1:48 AM
And don't get me started on DC's 52 bullshit. They are just making themselves look like a bunch of amateurs with that crap. Can't think of anything new? Oh, [frick] it, let's just start again. And if we cover the same ground, well... We'll just blag it.

Make no mistake, boys and girls. Even though there are some gems in the mud, the big two are [frick]ed. And they're too far up their own holes to realise it.
Vortigar - 1/13/2014, 2:02 AM
Currently there are only two titles I'm reading. Wonder Woman and Batwoman. Why? Because they stand as far away from the over-arching continuity as possible.

Marvel is pulling out a new Iron Fist title which will probably go on my buy-list and She-Hulk might end up there. Still waiting for a Doc Strange ongoing, he does not work like he should when he's on a team.

You can always see it, once they start with cross-overs the quality of the writing goes down. There's nothing that I dislike more in comics than this whole "look at how high the stakes are this time" nonsense. Its meaningless if there's no plot, characterization, pathos, an idea other than what you'd find in some fan's "what-if" discussion. You know, an actual story?

And event comics are exemplifying this meaningless type of story writing of late. I had high hopes for Hickman, but by what I've heard Infinity is just more mindless chatter.
DrunkenPirateNukem - 1/13/2014, 2:04 AM
New 52 is [frick]ing good

Green Lantern new 52

Batman zero year

Aquaman new 52 throne of Atlantis

JL new 52

Deathstroke new 52

Red Lantern Corps

All good stuff to read
Pharaoh - 1/13/2014, 2:35 AM
They've become utterly pointless other than to try and sell comics that aren't selling well by tying them into so called "events"

Lets look at just a few of this years

90% of the Infinity tie in = pointless borderline garbage. Infinity as an event was 100% anti-climatic with only 1 great issue which was issue 4 of the self titled Infinity book.

Age of Ultron was good until it refused to end at issue 10.

X-Men Battle of the Atom I didn't read.

Cataclysm = ongoing from Age of Ultron

Inhumanity = ongoing from Infinity

all events do now is spin off into other events.

DC are just as bad...

gurugeorge - 1/13/2014, 3:27 AM
"Retconned", not "reconnected". But yeah, it's all getting a bit cliched.
RedHood13 - 1/13/2014, 3:33 AM
I never got around to reading "Spider-Men" and I love Miles Morales and Peter Parker. I just read the collection yesterday...the most underwhelming graphic novel I've read in a long time. It wasn't...bad, but i expected so much more.
LordHuck - 1/13/2014, 4:02 AM
You know you don't have to read every event, or even every comic right?

It's like you're complaining about too many flavors of soda or beer.

Pick a few of your favorites and enjoy them.

Don't begrudge the existence of the others simply because you don't have to time or inclination to consume them personally.
Cass808 - 1/13/2014, 4:11 AM
I never actually read comics before New 52.

I was just wondering if anyone could tell me: When they rebooted with New 52, did they just cut off story arcs halfway through that were going on before? or did they wrap up every single storyline or what?

I was just curious how they handled that sort of situation. Hope that question even makes sense.
QuestiontheAnswer - 1/13/2014, 4:11 AM
That's why I read DC's Animal Man, Swamp Thing and similar characters of lesser renown, all of them are decent. Vertigo is not bad as well.
MoonDoggyX - 1/13/2014, 4:15 AM
@orpheus - what??? There aren't heroes and villans in other mediums???
Sith
Borg
Decepticons
The Smoking Man
Lord Voldamort
Sauron
Davey Jones
The agents in the Matrix
Reapers in Mass Effect
And so on.
Darkknight23 - 1/13/2014, 4:53 AM
They keep printing it because you keep buying it
BaronZemo - 1/13/2014, 5:21 AM
My favourite time of Marvel comics was the time of the major dissasters, before leading up to the heroic age. You know, the part wich includes Civil War, Secret Invasion and Siege, that was my favourite. I also think that the Heroic Age is very fun, i love it. I really like the dissaster time when the Winter Soldier storyline took place, aswell as World War Hulk, Osborn's Thunderbolts... And death of Captain America. Dark Reign is also awesome.
Shadowelfz - 1/13/2014, 6:10 AM
Agree 100%. These events are what made me stop reading Marvel comics, and I dont plan on picking up another Marvel book until this greed and stupidity is over.
ComradeGrey - 1/13/2014, 6:46 AM
Comic books are fetish items. The Silver Age Is Dead.
Tetrahedron - 1/13/2014, 6:49 AM
I totally disagree with these sheep. The month titles are like weekly episodes of a TV show and the events are like annual big budget blockbusters. Haven't any of you whiners read Infinity? It was amazing. Marvel's events have been a mainstay since Secret War they should keep doing them as long as they sell comics.

Also to the morons who say they should pull a New 52; Marvel would never $#!t on their fans or their characters in some soulless attempt to try to appeal to little 7 year olds. Leave the unscrupulous cash grabs to DC, thx.
MsDarkPhoenixQueenofCBM - 1/13/2014, 6:53 AM
Well, I didn't really like AvX, it made the X-Men look like villains. I also hated House of M, Scarlet Witch was acting like a crazy bitch, which she isn't. But Civil War?? Civil War was great!

@darkknight2149 I'm glad someone remembers the original!!
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