COMICS: Doom Takes Charge In First Look At MARVEL UNIVERSE VS. THE AVENGERS #3

WTF is this shit? Marvel Zombies v. 2.0? MORE heroes vs. heroes? Jesus its about time to let up on beating that dead horse, Marvel.

On the bright side its good to see Doom being Doom and Hawkeye have the chance to take center stage. Doom is the shit!

Trank doin FF, Mangold doin Wolverine and Vaughn doin 1st class all point to Fox sorting their shit out its just a shame Singers (never liked any of his xmen movies bland bland bland and the less said about his superman movie the better) been brought back in to do the 1st class sequel but I have a feeling Fox are gonna be the true victors outta them and disney/marvel in the long run, we might actually get some well made, cool films outta fox whereas marvels efforts have been somewhat lackluster in my opinion, their choice of directors has always seemed incredibly uninspired to me -

Whedon, favro,Branagh, The rocketeer fella all stink of directors chosen to fulfill the disney/marvel middle of the road money mens visions and not their own idiosyncratic visions which is how films should always be created, dont get me wrong marvels films arent awful, they just aint all that great either.

Give me a director with an idiosyncratic vision over generic cine-verse friendly directors all day long.

Vaughn (kick ass, 1st class), Snyder(300,watchmen superman), Nolan (Batman Trilogy), Webb (Amazing Spiderman), Del Toro (hellboy), Trank(chronicle,FF), Mangold(wolverine), Rodriguez(sin city), Mc teigue (V for Vendetta), Burton (Keaton batman, Gunn (super) all (except Mangold who im sure will) have made great superhero/comic book adapted/inspired films with a real weight and coolness behind them which didnt pander to a studio/moneymen perceived generic audience and werent restricted by the limitations of a 'cine-verse' (which has been Disney/Marvels downfall in my opinion).

However their is hope for Marvel with both Shane Black (iron man 3) and Gunn (gotg)being hired. Its just The Russo bros(capt A winter soldier) and Alan Taylor (thor 2) who worry me slightly.

Comic book and superhero/power movies lend themselves brilliantly to Auteuristic directors with an idiosyncratic visual/atmospheric vision and a darker (not necessarily gritty, Nolanesque) style, this is where I believe Marvel have been going wrong, an unpopular opinion sure but one that at the least merits consideration. Marvel be it due to the restrictions of a 'cine-verse' ( a mouth watering proposition to any comic book fan but one not so mouth watering to a good cinema fan who credits a films quality usually to an unrestricted director who is allowed to fulfill his/her own vision and not that of the studios moneymen) or be it due to Disney aiming at too younger an audience/market havent quite made the masterpiece such a great cast of characters deserve. yup

wow the art sucks in this

that's the silliest shit I've ever heard 1geekygurl. i have quite a few friends in the industry and that can't be further from the truth. But the real BIG money is in story boarding.

Intruder- Id have to disagree there 'trudy altho 1st class wasnt amazing, I think Vaughn did pretty well with what he'd been given and you only have to watch 'Kick ass'(not just a great CBM, but a great FILM) to realize what Vaughn is capable of. 'wasnt even a real film' - nonsense, Chronicle was excellent, couldve easily been a crock of shit but it wasnt it was again not only a good superhero/power movie but an actually good piece of cinema (something Marvel has yet to accomplish). As for 'Mangold or Atonofsky' I was under the impression Aronofsky opted out, sure Idve preferred Aronofsky but I think Mangold is up to the task. We're really gonna have to agree to disagree because if you really think Marvel 'is the shining light in this very abysmal darkness' then you and I have very different taste and the reason 'everybodys' trying to copy feige n co is because like nolan they made a ton of fu.cking money. I cant begin to comprehend ur taste, i really cant.

UniBeam11 I really hope your right, I'd be over the moon if phase two turns out to be as good as you thinks its gonna be and I hope its gonna be. I think reading something you disagree with and describing it as pretentious because its got a coupla words with more than 4 syllables in it and tries (perhaps it doesnt succeed) but tries to delve a bit deeper into why something is good and something else isnt is a bit of a cop out, but u gotta admit idiosyncratic is a good un, I like Auteuristic too.. Fair enough you disagree with my opinion but it has merit, just as your opinion does.

The cine-verse is very experimental, i just wish they'd been a bit more experimental with the way they made the actual films too, abit of leftfield stuff wouldnt have done any harm.

Intruder- Dang n I thought citing 300 as something to aim for cinematically instantly guarded me against being labelled pretentious and snobby. I guess not

Finally something i agree with. Out of interest what did u think of Dredd ?

Intruder- there we go then man, an olive branch, Dredd was brilliant

@intruder

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@JacksonVega
I appreciate keeping things civilized, kudos. But just like any other superhero film you have to be under the assumption that the general public is not familiar with the material and thus does in a sense have to pander to the less educated audience because after all, this is a business and Marvel Studios, sadly like every other studio, is in the business of making money. So if these characters werent profitable then we'd never see a continuation. Batman and superman have it easy because everyone already knows who they are, establishing their characters is easier and can be glossed over a bit more, but cap and thor and ironman were nowhere near the public eye when they ventured to the silver screen. So, those movies couldnt take as much of a risk as a batman or superman movie, in a way they are submitting to the wishes of the fanboys because if these movies dont make money then the franchises are dead and if they die then the fanboys never get the movies they truly want. I think its safe to say that phase two is going to be much more adventurous in their endeavors with the follow ups. I think we can expect that any origin film may follow a similar forumla as the past origin films but if that character becomes well received the next installment can be much more bold. Also, keep in mind Marvel studios is a very young business so playing it safe is somewhat of a necessity.