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*Yes, I have no doubt that it will end up beating The Avengers.* 2,608 Votes (19.75%)
*Maybe, but the fact that The Avengers* was released in 3D puts it at a serious disadvantage.** 2,216 Votes (16.78%)
*No way, nothing can topple the might of The Avengers!* 3,143 Votes (23.80%)
It doesn't matter - us fans are the real winners!!! 5,241 Votes (39.68%)

TDKR will not beat the Avengers at the Box Office.

It doesn't have the demographic diversity. TDKR is not kid friendly and will go over the heads of people who are not use to thinking and reflecting on deeper issues about society and life. Some people my even be on the opposite side of the philosopical message of the movie.

I also have an issue with Tom Hardy as Bane. I would think they would have gotten someone more physically menacing to play Bane. In the comics, Bane is huge.
I also have a problem with the face mask too; he doesn't look like Bane. When you change a character so much that he doesn't resemble the character from the source material, you create problems for true fans.

Other than that, this looks like a great movie. But it's definetly for grown-ups.

The Avengers is for everyone.

^just another "TDKR Bane" hater beating a dead horse.

"true fans" lol what the hell does that mean? I've been a fan of Bane since he was created & I have no problem whatsoever w/ Tom hardy or who he looks as Bane. But I guess that makes me not a true fan. ok jackass!

TDKR will probably make 1/2 as much as the Avengers but big shit if that's the case it will still be a huge success. Just two entirely different kind of movies w/ TDKR having a much more narrow demographic.

The whole debate about which movie will make more in the end is just childish.

@NowtheresaBATman

Whats childish is your ridiculous reaction to Marc65's comment. What he says is true. True fans will have problems when you change a character too much. Let me say that again since you don't seem to understand it... TRUE FANS. TRUE! TRUE FANS! Got it??? Good! If you're okay with a movie completely changing the look of a character... that's great. But you're not a true fan, Period. No and's, if's, or but's about it.

Will TDKR make as much as the Avengers?... No.
Will TDKR kick ass?... Yes.
Are you a "Jackass?"... Yes.

If you still need help understanding what "true fan" means... I'll be happy to ragdoll you like the Hulk on Loki, until you get it through your thick skull.

Good day.

Take it from the guy who said the Avengers would crack 200 mil on its opening weekend, TDK Rises cannot out gross the Avengers on its opening weekend. 2 reasons. No 3D and no Ledger.

It will be slow moving juggernaught That wont beat the 19 day billion mark but it will take over with more time.

The biggest disadvantage The Dark Knight Rises has is no 3D surcharge for tickets. However, I think a ton of people will go to see TDKR even if it's just solely to see whether or not they think it's better than The Avengers. For all those people who think that the 'darkness' and 'maturity' of Batman isn't going to appeal to wide audiences... then why did The Dark Knight make so much money? Ledger's performance was certainly one of the darker aspects of the film, so you can't use him as an excuse. People like superheroes with a dark tone just as much as they like lighter fare. The Amazing Spider-Man seems to be somewhere in between.

In the end, though, who really gives a rat's ass how much money these movies make? I'd rather the movie be awesome and become a box office flop than be a piece of crap that makes a boatload of money.

Except that you can use Ledger as an excuse. A lot of people went to see TDK because of him alone. And Ledger MADE the movie great. No Ledger = TDK is average at best.

If The Dark Knight made over $1 Billion Worldwide then i'm sure The Dark Knight Rises will do equally as good.

However the 3D thing does change the game a lot.

How the hell will it beat the avengers? wtf!

The latest batman film looks terrible. They turned Bane into some pathetic weakling with a dog mask on his face.

Avengers was pretty good, highly doubt anything will compare to it anytime soon.

Also I love dc/marvel so if anyone complain about marvel fanboy get over yourself already.

All the doubts about Bane will subside once the movie is out.

i dont really care if it makes more or less.
i personally think Avengers wil rule this years Box office.
i agree with the guys above me, Ledger made tdk a awesome experience, but without ledger the movie really would be boring, PLUS the fact that tdk had The Joker, wich is the most famous villain out there.

TDKR's demographic is completely different than Avengers... It leans more towards adults so its highly unlikely.People will wait on the dvd opposed to seeing it multiple times like The Avengers

If The Dark Knight Rises were to be in 3d, it would absolutely be the box office champ, but since it isn't happening, the only thing going for it is the quality of the movie and that is more important than the box office rankings.

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i think Bane wil be the Venom of Spider-man 3
not bulky enough and not a good casting, and with that he is not the Character we grew up with.

The Dark Kinght Rises will most likely not beat The Avengers in the opening week-end numbers, but will most likely beat The Avengers in the long run.

TDK is the proof that people who watch movies actually love to be challenged, and they reciprocate going back to watch it.

saying the avenger is more appealing to people cuz Nolan's batman is too dark and "complicated" goes against the $$$ TDK made. at the end people love good, sustancial stories, with great performances.

my opinion? TDKR will beat the avengers.

" I havent seen it yet but i know it will be great" keep telling yourself that. Nothing will beat the avengers

I don't think it will beat the Avengers for a variety of reasons. One is because the film as a whole is much darker than the Avengers. It will probably scare kids and in turn, lose out on a bunch of potential business. Another reason is IF they kill Batman off in this movie. I'm not saying they officially will do that, but from all of the trailers released so far it sure seems that way. I feel that if they do kill off The Dark Knight repeat viewings will suffer drastically. Most people don't want to see a movie more than once where the main hero dies at the end. Even if it is in a grand heroic way. It's just too depressing. (Think of how die hard Bat fans will feel) Anyway with all of that being said I can't wait for TDKR and regardless of whether or not it beats The Avengers at the box office I'm sure everyone will agree that this movie will make TONS of money.

There is no doubt that TDKR will make a shit ton of money but it doesnt stand a chance against The Avengers. It will probably make a little more than TDK while Avengers might make 1.5 to 2 billion.

I'm sure it will make a lot of money. Maybe even a billion. It doesn't matter though, it'll be great! Now if they make a Justice League movie and do it will, it may have a better chance at unseating Avengers.

who the hell cares ya bunch of douchey nerds!!!!!! Just enjoy them both...

I don't care about the money a film makes. I like interesting stories, interesting and NEW interpretations of the characters, good dialogue, good cinematography, good direction and TDKR has it all, no reason for me to complain. I like the Avengers, too and it's great that they are doing well and hopefully TDKR will be a critical and financial success as well. Take that as you will.

This one is close.. And the silly fanboy bickering continues....

I agree with superjoe, just enjoy them, who gives a crap which one makes more money.. Jeez..

Anyone who thinks TDKR will break the Avengers world wide sales total or opening box office record is delusional. And I am currently working on an AVENGERS Midnight Party with the Grand Rapids Michigan theaters that will run against the TDKR opening. I have a couple local comic shops involved giving away free swag and ticket cost will be around $5. Will be fantastic.

Remove the fanboyism and think about what The Dark Knight Returns had that they don't have this time. The Joker (the general audience knows the Joker, Bane, not so much), Ledger (his performance and death created a marketing teams dream).

That being said, the Dark Knight Rises should do extremely well especially if the reviews are just as high as the Avengers. If the reviews are average at best, its going to struggle hitting the Billion dollar figure.

The thing about the Avengers is that non comic book fans are talking about the movie and leaving with a smile on their face. They share their experience and other people are checking it out. Many of my friends are doing the family night out to watch the movie. Its the general populace that made the Avengers the hit that it is. Thats what happened with Avatar, Titanic and the Dark Knight Returns.

I can say this. I saw The Avengers at the Imax in Indianapolis during the midnight showing,and the crowd reaction to TDKR trailer was not very good. I personally didn't find the trailer that great either. I won't be running out to see it when it comes out. Maybe a matinee? I do agree with what a lot of people are saying though. No ledger or 3D, no big $$$ return. This coming from a person who saw TDK 3 times.

I gotta say, I am quite a bit tired of fans of TDK/DKR stating that it is "the thinking man's" movie or that it "touches upon deeper issues" and so forth.

These aren't exactly the kind of low-concept movies you see in art-house theaters. Yes, Nolan's Batman films touch upon some societal issues, but only ever so lightly. And to say that TDK made any kind "deep statement," shows a lack of depth in the viewer.

There's a lot of pretty bright people on this board. Like Nolan's movies or hate them, but don't pretend they're something they're not.

His take on the characters and on Batman's world is definitely interesting and intricate, but TDK tried to cover just SO much "societal" ground, it never had a chance to really go in-depth on any of them.

That's not saying the movie's good or bad. It's just a statement of point to consider.

Phlegmbot, thanks for your thoughts, but Nolan DOES bring so much more, how do you say, "meat" to the table. You leave His films not just thinking "hey that was cool when there was that explosion" or "haha remember that funny one liner"...

And I'm excited for this movie to kick ass so all the Ledger excuses for marvel geeks will be null and void.

I think TDKR has a good chance of beating The Avengers at the box office...there's no doubt that The Avengers box office haul so far has been impressive but it's facing some serious competition the next couple of weeks with Battleship, MIB, and Prometheus...it's going to be losing theater screens as well.

The Avengers does have advantage as far 3D but I think TDKR will make that advantage up with total domination of Imax screen showings for a couple of months...plus with no really big movies to compete with it after it's release in July it should rack up serious bank...IMO it does have a chance to surpass The Avengers in box office but we'll just have to wait and see.

@HorrorBiz - Actually, Ledger's performance is NOT the "excuse," but his death was the best thing that happened for that movie.

It's well-known in the industry, and was written up in several trades, that Ledger's death -- and the attention given to his incredible performance thus -- helped TDK become the hit that it was.

Mind you, you're not completely wrong: Batman Begins on DVD actually out-earned its take in the theaters. Considering what a huge success it was in the theaters, this was unexpected. (Warner Bros. even went so far as to tell Superman Returns director Singer that if SR performs just as well on DVD, he'll get to helm a sequel - but SR bombed worse on DVD than it did in theaters.)

Ledger's death got a TON of play in every media outlet, on every entertainment news show, and in the newspapers, and non-entertainment mags. And with his death, came the mention about "the buzz" for his performance, and a mention of the movie.

Personally, I was extremely excited about TDK, b/c I think Batman Begins is brilliant, but TDK was, for me, a huge letdown. Ledger and Eckhart's performances are the only saving graces of that film IMO.

From the idea that the Joker had been loose for a full year w/out Batman's intervention to Jim Gordon's bizarre promotion to Commish from Lt. to action sequences and character motivations which made no sense, the film just had too many problems for me. I know most people didn't mind those things.

sad because the correct answer is "D" It doesn't matter - us fans are the real winners!!!

Really all CBMs should be supported by us.

@gingerbird - I see your point. I really do. He DOES bring more "meat to the table," as you say; I won't deny that. My point was merely that he doesn't go terribly in-depth into the issues he raised in TDK (or Begins), and to say these are "thinking man's" films just goes too far.

As I say elsewhere on this thread, TDK just had too many storytelling problems for me to feel the points he was trying to make even come through. And there were several unnecessary subplots which actually detracted from his story about "dark" and "light," "good" and "bad."

It was the Joker who sold all those tickets last time around. I don't think Bane has that type of popularity unless the actor dies...

Who cares. As long as it turns out to be a good movie

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this is for all the TDK Haters/think its Overrated/ Downplay it's deep issues, all those claims will be put to bed

^ what he said, also for this movie to make as much alot of people (like us) would have to see it 4 times like I did for the avengers. I MIGHT see this twice, MIGHT

^Not him the other guy

ah screw it, batman sucks

TDK was in theaters for 6 months.... why ??? Ledger's death, not because it was such a great movie. Ledger's untimely death did more than enough for the gross of TDK...a great openin' weekend (150 million some) but still was 6 months to barely reach a billion. Avengers are a billion at 19 days, I can't see TDKR makin' those numbers. I'd bet on a big openin' weekend ...100 mil to 150 mil.... but then the numbers will drop as numbers do, and again it wont have the bennefit of a 6 month run in the theaters.

Idk Im a big DC fan The Dark Knight was 4 years ago and the prices for tickets have went way way way up 3D and IMAX. But anything is possible. The Dark Knight Rises will be in every IMAX theater around the world plus more counties than TDK so its very possible if the internet dont get it on cam and it comes out on the samw day around the world. but like i said 4 years is a BIG differents

what's all this "in the long run" nonsense? like the avengers are just going to stop while batman continues on. and what if avengers were re-released?

The only reason the dark knight did well because ledger died. Period.

@ TeamBringit - There are plenty of sites discussing why TDK was NOT good, most even have interesting, relevant reasons for these thoughts.

That is, they're not just "haters," they have valid reasons for not liking what was certainly an imperfect movie.

http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/48514/ (perhaps the most infamous review of the film)
http://www.thedarkknightsucks.com/ (not all interesting or necessarily well-thought-out points on this site)
http://www.rooshv.com/the-dark-knight-is-a-stupid-movie (I completely disagree w/his comment about Maggie's "confusing" death; I don't see why that plot point confuses SO many people)
http://kplanx.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/why-the-dark-knight-is-a-terrible-film/
(incredibly long review, but kinda funny)
http://www.hdfest.com/Barry/darkknight_barry.html
(love this)

Yes, there are ton MORE positive reviews and fan sites, but some (not all) of the above have REALLY interesting insight into WHY they don't like the movie.

The competition is hard for TDKR.
Since I'm expending a lot in movies this year (Thank God for 2012) maybe I'd pay twice for Batman if it's as good as is rumored, but no more.

My movie schedule

May-The Avengers
Jun-SWATH and Prometheus
Jul-GIjoe retilation, MIBIII and TDKR

Dark Knight Rises is going to be amazing, and it might be a better movie than Avengers, but it's not going to beat it at the box office. Just the hype alone and the marketing machine behind the Avengers will coast it to the victory.

Why do people complain over the litteist things? Just sit back, watch the movie and then complain.

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	Marc65 - 5/13/2012, 4:07 PM Login to report abuse TDKR will not beat the Avengers at the Box Office. It doesn't have the demographic diversity. TDKR is not kid friendly and will go over the heads of people who are not use to thinking and reflecting on deeper issues about society and life. Some people my even be on the opposite side of the philosopical message of the movie. I also have an issue with Tom Hardy as Bane. I would think they would have gotten someone more physically menacing to play Bane. In the comics, Bane is huge. I also have a problem with the face mask too; he doesn't look like Bane. When you change a character so much that he doesn't resemble the character from the source material, you create problems for true fans. Other than that, this looks like a great movie. But it's definetly for grown-ups. The Avengers is for everyone.
	nowtheresaBATman - 5/13/2012, 4:15 PM Login to report abuse ^just another "TDKR Bane" hater beating a dead horse. "true fans" lol what the hell does that mean? I've been a fan of Bane since he was created & I have no problem whatsoever w/ Tom hardy or who he looks as Bane. But I guess that makes me not a true fan. ok jackass!
	nowtheresaBATman - 5/13/2012, 4:29 PM Login to report abuse TDKR will probably make 1/2 as much as the Avengers but big shit if that's the case it will still be a huge success. Just two entirely different kind of movies w/ TDKR having a much more narrow demographic. The whole debate about which movie will make more in the end is just childish.
	BigRay84 - 5/13/2012, 4:45 PM Login to report abuse @NowtheresaBATman Whats childish is your ridiculous reaction to Marc65's comment. What he says is true. True fans will have problems when you change a character too much. Let me say that again since you don't seem to understand it... TRUE FANS. TRUE! TRUE FANS! Got it??? Good! If you're okay with a movie completely changing the look of a character... that's great. But you're not a true fan, Period. No and's, if's, or but's about it. Will TDKR make as much as the Avengers?... No. Will TDKR kick ass?... Yes. Are you a "Jackass?"... Yes. If you still need help understanding what "true fan" means... I'll be happy to ragdoll you like the Hulk on Loki, until you get it through your thick skull. Good day.
	jayc1 - 5/13/2012, 6:11 PM Login to report abuse Take it from the guy who said the Avengers would crack 200 mil on its opening weekend, TDK Rises cannot out gross the Avengers on its opening weekend. 2 reasons. No 3D and no Ledger.
	rondz123 - 5/13/2012, 7:26 PM Login to report abuse It will be slow moving juggernaught That wont beat the 19 day billion mark but it will take over with more time.
	HorrorBiz - 5/13/2012, 11:17 PM Login to report abuse The biggest disadvantage The Dark Knight Rises has is no 3D surcharge for tickets. However, I think a ton of people will go to see TDKR even if it's just solely to see whether or not they think it's better than The Avengers. For all those people who think that the 'darkness' and 'maturity' of Batman isn't going to appeal to wide audiences... then why did The Dark Knight make so much money? Ledger's performance was certainly one of the darker aspects of the film, so you can't use him as an excuse. People like superheroes with a dark tone just as much as they like lighter fare. The Amazing Spider-Man seems to be somewhere in between. In the end, though, who really gives a rat's ass how much money these movies make? I'd rather the movie be awesome and become a box office flop than be a piece of crap that makes a boatload of money.
	DragonKnight2012 - 5/14/2012, 6:14 AM Login to report abuse Except that you can use Ledger as an excuse. A lot of people went to see TDK because of him alone. And Ledger MADE the movie great. No Ledger = TDK is average at best.
	Mucklefluga - 5/14/2012, 8:48 AM Login to report abuse If The Dark Knight made over $1 Billion Worldwide then i'm sure The Dark Knight Rises will do equally as good.
	Mucklefluga - 5/14/2012, 8:59 AM Login to report abuse However the 3D thing does change the game a lot.
	ronnie42 - 5/14/2012, 10:46 AM Login to report abuse How the hell will it beat the avengers? wtf! The latest batman film looks terrible. They turned Bane into some pathetic weakling with a dog mask on his face. Avengers was pretty good, highly doubt anything will compare to it anytime soon. Also I love dc/marvel so if anyone complain about marvel fanboy get over yourself already.
	Greengo - 5/14/2012, 10:46 AM Login to report abuse All the doubts about Bane will subside once the movie is out.
	0ptimusCrime - 5/14/2012, 10:46 AM Login to report abuse i dont really care if it makes more or less. i personally think Avengers wil rule this years Box office. i agree with the guys above me, Ledger made tdk a awesome experience, but without ledger the movie really would be boring, PLUS the fact that tdk had The Joker, wich is the most famous villain out there.
	OtakuPapi - 5/14/2012, 10:48 AM Login to report abuse TDKR's demographic is completely different than Avengers... It leans more towards adults so its highly unlikely.People will wait on the dvd opposed to seeing it multiple times like The Avengers
	RaKash - 5/14/2012, 10:49 AM Login to report abuse If The Dark Knight Rises were to be in 3d, it would absolutely be the box office champ, but since it isn't happening, the only thing going for it is the quality of the movie and that is more important than the box office rankings.
	BmanHall - 5/14/2012, 10:49 AM Login to report abuse Voted for: It doesn't matter - us fans are the real winners!!!
	0ptimusCrime - 5/14/2012, 10:49 AM Login to report abuse continue: i think Bane wil be the Venom of Spider-man 3 not bulky enough and not a good casting, and with that he is not the Character we grew up with.
	Garmanbozia - 5/14/2012, 10:52 AM Login to report abuse The Dark Kinght Rises will most likely not beat The Avengers in the opening week-end numbers, but will most likely beat The Avengers in the long run.
	someone79 - 5/14/2012, 10:55 AM Login to report abuse TDK is the proof that people who watch movies actually love to be challenged, and they reciprocate going back to watch it. saying the avenger is more appealing to people cuz Nolan's batman is too dark and "complicated" goes against the $$$ TDK made. at the end people love good, sustancial stories, with great performances. my opinion? TDKR will beat the avengers.
	Bobevanz - 5/14/2012, 10:55 AM Login to report abuse " I havent seen it yet but i know it will be great" keep telling yourself that. Nothing will beat the avengers
	Xeriath - 5/14/2012, 10:58 AM Login to report abuse I don't think it will beat the Avengers for a variety of reasons. One is because the film as a whole is much darker than the Avengers. It will probably scare kids and in turn, lose out on a bunch of potential business. Another reason is IF they kill Batman off in this movie. I'm not saying they officially will do that, but from all of the trailers released so far it sure seems that way. I feel that if they do kill off The Dark Knight repeat viewings will suffer drastically. Most people don't want to see a movie more than once where the main hero dies at the end. Even if it is in a grand heroic way. It's just too depressing. (Think of how die hard Bat fans will feel) Anyway with all of that being said I can't wait for TDKR and regardless of whether or not it beats The Avengers at the box office I'm sure everyone will agree that this movie will make TONS of money.
	spiderman2020 - 5/14/2012, 11:01 AM Login to report abuse There is no doubt that TDKR will make a shit ton of money but it doesnt stand a chance against The Avengers. It will probably make a little more than TDK while Avengers might make 1.5 to 2 billion.
	Mugwamp - 5/14/2012, 11:07 AM Login to report abuse I'm sure it will make a lot of money. Maybe even a billion. It doesn't matter though, it'll be great! Now if they make a Justice League movie and do it will, it may have a better chance at unseating Avengers.
	SuperJoe - 5/14/2012, 11:08 AM Login to report abuse who the hell cares ya bunch of douchey nerds!!!!!! Just enjoy them both...
	batfan175 - 5/14/2012, 11:19 AM Login to report abuse I don't care about the money a film makes. I like interesting stories, interesting and NEW interpretations of the characters, good dialogue, good cinematography, good direction and TDKR has it all, no reason for me to complain. I like the Avengers, too and it's great that they are doing well and hopefully TDKR will be a critical and financial success as well. Take that as you will.
	CyberBishop - 5/14/2012, 11:24 AM Login to report abuse This one is close.. And the silly fanboy bickering continues.... I agree with superjoe, just enjoy them, who gives a crap which one makes more money.. Jeez..
	CPBuff22 - 5/14/2012, 11:28 AM Login to report abuse Anyone who thinks TDKR will break the Avengers world wide sales total or opening box office record is delusional. And I am currently working on an AVENGERS Midnight Party with the Grand Rapids Michigan theaters that will run against the TDKR opening. I have a couple local comic shops involved giving away free swag and ticket cost will be around $5. Will be fantastic.
	jj72 - 5/14/2012, 11:36 AM Login to report abuse Remove the fanboyism and think about what The Dark Knight Returns had that they don't have this time. The Joker (the general audience knows the Joker, Bane, not so much), Ledger (his performance and death created a marketing teams dream). That being said, the Dark Knight Rises should do extremely well especially if the reviews are just as high as the Avengers. If the reviews are average at best, its going to struggle hitting the Billion dollar figure. The thing about the Avengers is that non comic book fans are talking about the movie and leaving with a smile on their face. They share their experience and other people are checking it out. Many of my friends are doing the family night out to watch the movie. Its the general populace that made the Avengers the hit that it is. Thats what happened with Avatar, Titanic and the Dark Knight Returns.
	whiteassmatt - 5/14/2012, 11:52 AM Login to report abuse I can say this. I saw The Avengers at the Imax in Indianapolis during the midnight showing,and the crowd reaction to TDKR trailer was not very good. I personally didn't find the trailer that great either. I won't be running out to see it when it comes out. Maybe a matinee? I do agree with what a lot of people are saying though. No ledger or 3D, no big $$$ return. This coming from a person who saw TDK 3 times.
	Phlegmbot - 5/14/2012, 11:56 AM Login to report abuse I gotta say, I am quite a bit tired of fans of TDK/DKR stating that it is "the thinking man's" movie or that it "touches upon deeper issues" and so forth. These aren't exactly the kind of low-concept movies you see in art-house theaters. Yes, Nolan's Batman films touch upon some societal issues, but only ever so lightly. And to say that TDK made any kind "deep statement," shows a lack of depth in the viewer. There's a lot of pretty bright people on this board. Like Nolan's movies or hate them, but don't pretend they're something they're not. His take on the characters and on Batman's world is definitely interesting and intricate, but TDK tried to cover just SO much "societal" ground, it never had a chance to really go in-depth on any of them. That's not saying the movie's good or bad. It's just a statement of point to consider.
	GingerBird - 5/14/2012, 11:59 AM Login to report abuse Phlegmbot, thanks for your thoughts, but Nolan DOES bring so much more, how do you say, "meat" to the table. You leave His films not just thinking "hey that was cool when there was that explosion" or "haha remember that funny one liner"...
	GingerBird - 5/14/2012, 12:01 PM Login to report abuse And I'm excited for this movie to kick ass so all the Ledger excuses for marvel geeks will be null and void.
	themann11 - 5/14/2012, 12:02 PM Login to report abuse I think TDKR has a good chance of beating The Avengers at the box office...there's no doubt that The Avengers box office haul so far has been impressive but it's facing some serious competition the next couple of weeks with Battleship, MIB, and Prometheus...it's going to be losing theater screens as well. The Avengers does have advantage as far 3D but I think TDKR will make that advantage up with total domination of Imax screen showings for a couple of months...plus with no really big movies to compete with it after it's release in July it should rack up serious bank...IMO it does have a chance to surpass The Avengers in box office but we'll just have to wait and see.
	Phlegmbot - 5/14/2012, 12:07 PM Login to report abuse @HorrorBiz - Actually, Ledger's performance is NOT the "excuse," but his death was the best thing that happened for that movie. It's well-known in the industry, and was written up in several trades, that Ledger's death -- and the attention given to his incredible performance thus -- helped TDK become the hit that it was. Mind you, you're not completely wrong: Batman Begins on DVD actually out-earned its take in the theaters. Considering what a huge success it was in the theaters, this was unexpected. (Warner Bros. even went so far as to tell Superman Returns director Singer that if SR performs just as well on DVD, he'll get to helm a sequel - but SR bombed worse on DVD than it did in theaters.) Ledger's death got a TON of play in every media outlet, on every entertainment news show, and in the newspapers, and non-entertainment mags. And with his death, came the mention about "the buzz" for his performance, and a mention of the movie. Personally, I was extremely excited about TDK, b/c I think Batman Begins is brilliant, but TDK was, for me, a huge letdown. Ledger and Eckhart's performances are the only saving graces of that film IMO. From the idea that the Joker had been loose for a full year w/out Batman's intervention to Jim Gordon's bizarre promotion to Commish from Lt. to action sequences and character motivations which made no sense, the film just had too many problems for me. I know most people didn't mind those things.
	spectre88 - 5/14/2012, 12:07 PM Login to report abuse sad because the correct answer is "D" It doesn't matter - us fans are the real winners!!! Really all CBMs should be supported by us.
	Phlegmbot - 5/14/2012, 12:11 PM Login to report abuse @gingerbird - I see your point. I really do. He DOES bring more "meat to the table," as you say; I won't deny that. My point was merely that he doesn't go terribly in-depth into the issues he raised in TDK (or Begins), and to say these are "thinking man's" films just goes too far. As I say elsewhere on this thread, TDK just had too many storytelling problems for me to feel the points he was trying to make even come through. And there were several unnecessary subplots which actually detracted from his story about "dark" and "light," "good" and "bad."
	YoungThanos - 5/14/2012, 12:19 PM Login to report abuse It was the Joker who sold all those tickets last time around. I don't think Bane has that type of popularity unless the actor dies...
	HarveyDent88 - 5/14/2012, 12:27 PM Login to report abuse Who cares. As long as it turns out to be a good movie
	TeamBringIt92 - 5/14/2012, 12:30 PM Login to report abuse click this link (no worries not spam or anything bad): http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2Fconfused-matthew%2Fmathew-s-favorite-movies-the-dark-knight-review-pt-1-6089285&session_token=KSzCvJ0MUHW7YVy-TwhQzGX3TRB8MTMzNzExMDE0MUAxMzM3MDIzNzQx this is for all the TDK Haters/think its Overrated/ Downplay it's deep issues, all those claims will be put to bed
	Bobevanz - 5/14/2012, 12:30 PM Login to report abuse ^ what he said, also for this movie to make as much alot of people (like us) would have to see it 4 times like I did for the avengers. I MIGHT see this twice, MIGHT
	Bobevanz - 5/14/2012, 12:30 PM Login to report abuse ^Not him the other guy
	Bobevanz - 5/14/2012, 12:31 PM Login to report abuse ah screw it, batman sucks
	Gary8264 - 5/14/2012, 12:41 PM Login to report abuse TDK was in theaters for 6 months.... why ??? Ledger's death, not because it was such a great movie. Ledger's untimely death did more than enough for the gross of TDK...a great openin' weekend (150 million some) but still was 6 months to barely reach a billion. Avengers are a billion at 19 days, I can't see TDKR makin' those numbers. I'd bet on a big openin' weekend ...100 mil to 150 mil.... but then the numbers will drop as numbers do, and again it wont have the bennefit of a 6 month run in the theaters.
	SleazyJonesDC - 5/14/2012, 12:41 PM Login to report abuse Idk Im a big DC fan The Dark Knight was 4 years ago and the prices for tickets have went way way way up 3D and IMAX. But anything is possible. The Dark Knight Rises will be in every IMAX theater around the world plus more counties than TDK so its very possible if the internet dont get it on cam and it comes out on the samw day around the world. but like i said 4 years is a BIG differents
	worldbreaker - 5/14/2012, 12:44 PM Login to report abuse what's all this "in the long run" nonsense? like the avengers are just going to stop while batman continues on. and what if avengers were re-released?
	Mrsinister - 5/14/2012, 12:45 PM Login to report abuse The only reason the dark knight did well because ledger died. Period.
	Phlegmbot - 5/14/2012, 12:53 PM Login to report abuse @ TeamBringit - There are plenty of sites discussing why TDK was NOT good, most even have interesting, relevant reasons for these thoughts. That is, they're not just "haters," they have valid reasons for not liking what was certainly an imperfect movie. http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/48514/ (perhaps the most infamous review of the film) http://www.thedarkknightsucks.com/ (not all interesting or necessarily well-thought-out points on this site) http://www.rooshv.com/the-dark-knight-is-a-stupid-movie (I completely disagree w/his comment about Maggie's "confusing" death; I don't see why that plot point confuses SO many people) http://kplanx.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/why-the-dark-knight-is-a-terrible-film/ (incredibly long review, but kinda funny) http://www.hdfest.com/Barry/darkknight_barry.html (love this) Yes, there are ton MORE positive reviews and fan sites, but some (not all) of the above have REALLY interesting insight into WHY they don't like the movie.
	maito - 5/14/2012, 12:59 PM Login to report abuse The competition is hard for TDKR. Since I'm expending a lot in movies this year (Thank God for 2012) maybe I'd pay twice for Batman if it's as good as is rumored, but no more. My movie schedule May-The Avengers Jun-SWATH and Prometheus Jul-GIjoe retilation, MIBIII and TDKR
	MatioShack - 5/14/2012, 1:04 PM Login to report abuse Dark Knight Rises is going to be amazing, and it might be a better movie than Avengers, but it's not going to beat it at the box office. Just the hype alone and the marketing machine behind the Avengers will coast it to the victory.
	DragonofDarknessXIII - 5/14/2012, 1:21 PM Login to report abuse Why do people complain over the litteist things? Just sit back, watch the movie and then complain.
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