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ManofSteel23
ManofSteel23 - 4/22/2014, 2:49 PM
These make it sound [frick]ing boring, but we all know it won't be
Kyos
Kyos - 4/22/2014, 3:02 PM
"Brienne follows a new lead on the road with Pod."

Dat duo! :D
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 4/22/2014, 3:04 PM
*POSSIBLE SPOILER*
i dont know if this is in the books or not, but i heard some theories online that Jon Snow is actually the nephew of ned stark, and the son of robert baratheon, and that Robert and ned stark's sister had a baby during the war.

Anyway, im really loving the show. I especially liked dany segment at the end of the last episode.
airbeyonder18
airbeyonder18 - 4/22/2014, 3:04 PM
I'm excited!

Team Danarayes!
captainireland
captainireland - 4/22/2014, 3:09 PM
Sean Bean's reaction in that was gas. Yeah, these aren't the best written descriptions but I'm sure it'll be more exciting on screen.
TheAstoundingMan
TheAstoundingMan - 4/22/2014, 3:15 PM
Better that they keep it vague. They know they have the audience, this way they can keep those people guessing, even those that have read the books.
TheAmarilloBlack
TheAmarilloBlack - 4/22/2014, 3:17 PM
@GoldSlayer1

More likely Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna Stark (Ned's Sister) and Rhaegar Targaryen (Dany's oldest brother), not sure she'd ask Ned to keep him a secret if he was King Robert's son and true heir to the throne.
JimmyCorrigan
JimmyCorrigan - 4/22/2014, 3:17 PM
@Goldslayer : that's definitely not in the books! at least not yet...
TheAmarilloBlack
TheAmarilloBlack - 4/22/2014, 3:17 PM
(he wouldn't have been heir to the throne yet but his heir nonetheless)
TheBeard
TheBeard - 4/22/2014, 3:18 PM
He ain't Roberts son

He's Rhaegar Targaryen's with Lyanna Stark
TheAmarilloBlack
TheAmarilloBlack - 4/22/2014, 3:19 PM
TheBeard has spokened.
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 4/22/2014, 3:20 PM
@Amarillo
yeah but if that was the case, wouldn't Jon have lighter hair?
his hair is awfully dark for him to be part targaryen.

Although if he's not targaryen, how about a Jon and Dany hook up?
Them two ruling throne, Bran worging a dragon, and jon riding it.
JimmyCorrigan
JimmyCorrigan - 4/22/2014, 3:22 PM
GOT has been the best show by far these last 2 years. FAR ABOVE DC and MARVEL stuff. Adapting great sagas seems the way to write great series. I hope it'll set an example!
Bloodraven
Bloodraven - 4/22/2014, 3:24 PM
Good man, Sean Bean!
TheAmarilloBlack
TheAmarilloBlack - 4/22/2014, 3:24 PM
@GoldSlayer1

The father's genes aren't always dominant when it comes t hair but you have a point. It still hasn't been fleshed out but the fact that she had him and made Ned not tell anyone would denote that he's Rhaegar's bastard.

If he's not a Targaryen I'm all for a true meeting of fire and ice! lol hell, even if he is! lmao! It is Thrones!
Emjeed
Emjeed - 4/22/2014, 3:27 PM
@Godslayer it's most likely that he's the son of lyanna stark and rhaeger targaryen. Targaryens have a dragon ad their symbol, which is associated with fire. Starks of the north have the direwolf (however you spell it) and are associated with the cold (ice). So Jon Snow is essentially the product of that coupling. The "song" of fire and ice. Also, the title of the final book which was pulled a few years ago was "A time for wolves". You can see why the title was pulled. Pretty spoilerish.
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 4/22/2014, 3:27 PM
@Amarillo
lmao good point, i guess it doesn't matter if they're related or not in GoT.
TheBeard
TheBeard - 4/22/2014, 3:28 PM
Targaryens do incest

wouldn't matter if they are related
Carl
Carl - 4/22/2014, 3:30 PM
JOn snow is neds brothers son with ashra dayne
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 4/22/2014, 3:33 PM
Well i think it seems pretty clear that Jon is not Ned's son.
problem is, how will do show let jon know that? both his biological parents, and guardian parents are dead.

Maybe one of bran's vision dreams?
TheBeard
TheBeard - 4/22/2014, 3:34 PM
Maybe Dany will want a "pure blood" Targaryen heir for the iron throne when/if she conquers Westeros, and get it with Jon. Guess we will find out when G.R.R.Martin gets off his lazy old ass and finishes the last two books.

BoomTubeB
BoomTubeB - 4/22/2014, 3:39 PM
GoldSlayer1
GoldSlayer1 - 4/22/2014, 3:41 PM
looked on Amazon the books are about $7-$8.

I dont like reading much when it comes to books (always hated it in school cause i found them boring) but i may consider getting a GoT book.
TheAmarilloBlack
TheAmarilloBlack - 4/22/2014, 3:47 PM
@GoldSlayer1

Give it a go! Reading is fundamental! Don't do like Dinklege and get confused, tho!
BoomTubeB
BoomTubeB - 4/22/2014, 3:50 PM
BoomTubeB
BoomTubeB - 4/22/2014, 3:51 PM
Gaebora
Gaebora - 4/22/2014, 3:52 PM
@GoldSlayer1
Jon's dark Stark-like looks shouldn't be problematic. Rhaenys Targaryen, daughter of Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia Martell, had brown hair and basically looked like her mother, a Martell from Dorne. So, if Rhaenys took after her mother in appearance, so could Jon.
Enki
Enki - 4/22/2014, 4:55 PM
@Boom TubeB, about Jamie, well it's already happening.
beto
beto - 4/22/2014, 5:20 PM
Hodor is actually Aegon Targaryen
Carl
Carl - 4/22/2014, 6:23 PM
man, non readers are so clueless
Carl
Carl - 4/22/2014, 6:24 PM
(just like the walking dead)
NoPhucksGiven
NoPhucksGiven - 4/22/2014, 10:26 PM
Sean Beans voice gets me every time.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 4/22/2014, 10:29 PM
Basically, this is Dany's storyline for the rest of the season.



@TheBeard
"He's Rhaegar Targaryen's with Lyanna Stark"


I've heard this theory before from a lot of people who read the books and some who just watch the show, but none of them have ever been able to explain how a fair-haired, purple-eyed Targaryan and a dark-haired gray-eyed Stark could sire a black-haired brown-eyed son. Especially when a major plot point of the first season/book is that all Baratheons have black hair. It's even reinforced in the show by Catelyn talking about Jon's "brown stranger's eyes". I'm not saying it's impossible that Jon is Rhaegar's son, just that it would contradict some very well-established rules of inheritance of the Game of Thrones universe. The Seed is, after all, Strong.

Personally, I think either Jon is Robert's son (presumably by Lyanna, though that's not certain) or possibly Aegon (there is a whole conspiracy theory down that rabbit hole, but suffice it to say a Targaryan and Dornish woman could potentially produce a boy that looks like Jon).

Because so much of the history of Robert's Rebellion is so vague, it's hard to say for certain. As far as the canon goes at this moment I think it's much more likely than him being Rhaegar's. All we know for certain about Lyanna's death is that she died in a tower in the mountains of Dorne, and asked Ned to promise her something. People assume that she died as an immediate result or childbirth, but that is an assumption (it is said she that a fever took her strength, but that she died in a bed of blood).

Could she have asked Ned to hide her newborn infant child fathered by Rhaegar from Robert? Sure. Could she have asked Ned to hide her one year-old child fathered by Robert from Robert? Sure. Is all of this intentionally mysterious and impossible to say for sure, absolutely.

***While checking my facts for this post, I discovered that Robert Baratheon actually had blue-eyes instead of brown, as I had always thought. This pushes me more toward him being Aegon (somehow) or that Jon's origin lies... somewhere else entirely. It's precisely GRRM's style to lay enough mystery and red herrings to get the fans obsessed with something that is completely inconsequential. In the end, Jon may just be an ordinary bastard.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 4/22/2014, 10:36 PM
As I was rereading my post, two thoughts occur.

1: What was Oberyn Martell doing during that year or so when Lyanna was holed up in the mountains of Dorne? I think I'm going to add "Oberyn + Lyanna = Jon" to my list of possible solutions. Seducing the love of Rhaegar's life while he's away out of revenge for spurning his sister is precisely Oberyn's style.

2: That gif is a hell of a lot more distracting and tasteless than I thought it would be when I first posted it. Still love it, though.

Gaebora
Gaebora - 4/22/2014, 11:30 PM
@Spock0Clock

I guess, you still have a lot of fact checking ahead of you... Jon Snow is described as having dark BROWN hair and GREY eyes. Different characters comment about the fact, how much he looks like a Stark all the time. Especially, since most of his "siblings" take more after their mother and look like Tullys.
So, Jon has the same eye- and hair-colour as Lyanna Stark. He doesn't look like a Baratheon, he doesn't look like a Martell, he also doesn't look like a Targaryen. He looks like a Stark. Hence it's pretty safe to assume, that one of his parents is a Stark. Most of the evidence simply points towards R+L=J. Rhaegar's "abduction" of Lyanna, the whole Tower of Joy incident, Ned's promise to his dying sister... And of course Jon's looks pretty much confirm, that one os his parents is of Stark-blood. Indeed, the seed is strong.

Your theorys, how Jon might be Aegon, a Martell or a Baratheon not only lack any evidence whatsoever, they mostly contradict evidence. Aegon for example (son of Rhaegar an Elia) had the typical Targ-look, fair hair and purple eyes.
Klone
Klone - 4/23/2014, 12:13 AM
One thing that sorta kinda maybe backs up R+L=J is how apparently GRRM tells all the actors something about their characters that no one else knows and in episode 2 when Jon questioned Eddard on his mother's whereabouts, the way Bean played out the reaction, having Eddard getting emotional and teary eyed, was on the spot. I know this is really grasping, but yeah, you can put two and two together.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 4/23/2014, 1:06 AM
@Gaebora
(It's certainly been a while since I read the books and I'll freely admit to being open to error on details. The show is much fresher in my mind.) Per the Wiki on Fire and Ice: "Jon has a lean build, with dark brown hair and grey eyes so dark they border on black.", but in the show Catelyn described Jon's eyes as brown (and Kit Harrington's are). It seemed to me still to be a crucial detail that they are highlighting in that scene. Seeing as it conflicts with the books, maybe not so crucial. :)

Let me reiterate the last point I made in my post, because I did meander a bit. Jon's parentage may very well be Stark, but my reservations were and are really about him being Targaryan (even if I indulged in some wilder Aegon speculation). Every Targaryan is described with various fantastical traits. Purple eyes, eerily pale hair, etc. I just doubt Jon fits the bill.

You never actually cited evidence contradicts the idea that Jon is Lyanna and Robert's or Oberyn's son, though. Just because he looks like a Stark doesn't mean he couldn't be a Baratheon or a Martell. (Honestly: "dark brown hair and dark-gray-bordering-on-black eyes" falls completely in line with what I would imagine a Stark/Martell pairing would look like.)

You're saying "he doesn't look like a Targaryan, or a Martell (please explain how)or a Baratheon, so... the evidence points toward him being a Targaryan". If you applied the same skepticism toward R+L=J as you did toward Robert or a Martell, you'd reject it just as flatly. The historical evidence you're talking about is all supremely fluid. The books only ever refer to the events of that period in passing, and never with complete authority that makes it clear what exactly is canon. Her promise has been kept intentionally vague by GRRM, and could be about literally anything. It's just the fan echo chamber that has made the R+L=J theory so damned common-to-universal. And frankly it irritates me that every fan speculation about Jon entirely neglects the elephant in the room: that maybe he actually is Ned's bastard.

Now, go ahead and tell me how much of this post I got wrong. :)
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