Poll: In Nolan We Trust or What the Hell is this?

With what has been shown so far from the upcoming movie, The Dark Knight Rises, how do you feel about this final movie in the Nolan series?

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By LMFA0 - 8/8/2011
I have been coming here for quite a while and honestly the reason I started coming here is because of the hype from The Dark Knight. This site had all of the information I could ever want about the movie that set my comic book loving heart aflame. But, alas, once the hype faded and I saw the movie for what it really was, no longer did I consider The Dark Knight an epic Comic Book Movie.

My reason for this is mainly due to the fact that after watching this movie, my interest for the actual Dark Knight exploded and what I saw in the actual comics did not seem to mash with the movie I once loved. The Batman in the Nolan movies slightly resembles that of Bruce Wayne/ Batman, but falls short. Yes, the movie is well written and very well directed. But that is where the good ends and the bad begins. Honestly, Heath Ledger's Joker was an insult to the comics and yes Jack Nicholson was a much better and more faithful Joker. But not only that, but we barely see the Joker in the whole movie. The Joker is present in the movie for just about thirty minutes, while Two-face is present for only the last twenty minutes or so, and then is killed. That is a blasphemy. Like it or not, Nolan's second Batman movie was all steak and no sizzle. It was a gritty crime drama with a man hunting a criminal, this could honestly be any story in any crime drama. Very generic and very unoriginal.

What makes Batman so great is not Batman at all. What makes Batman great is his rogues. They are colorful, evil, and menacing, but also very very supernatural. There is no way you can say that a man dressed like a Bat with Billions of dollars going around fighting bad guys is realistic! That is why, if Warner Brothers is going to continue with these Batman movies, they need to add the supernatural element. Killer Croc, Solomon Grundy, Penguin, Riddler, (the real) Ras al Ghoul and Joker, ManBat, Poison Ivy, and the other amazing rogues can not work in this (un)realistic realism, not properly at least.

But moving on, in the past few weeks Warner Brothers has released quite a lot of new pictures from the new movie, The Dark Knight Rises. While many of the pictures released are amateur or unofficial, we are starting to see the foundation of the movie unfold in front of us. The problem with this is that so far (so far!), nothing that has come out has been very good. Bane is smaller than Batman, Catwoman has no mask (yet), and Batman still looks like a douche. But I will digress to my main issue, Bane.

From his voice, to his mask, to his clothing, to his size, the villain Nolan is trying to portray in this new movie is a bigger insult to the comics than Heath Ledger's Joker. Bane is a big man and a very smart man. Having him small is like making the Hulk just Bruce Banner with green skin. He has to be a big roided out man, he has to be an unstoppable force that nearly destroys Batman. Anything less and I say, THAT IS NOT BANE! He also does not in any way dress like he is from the G*ddamn ROAD WARRIOR!!!! I love Tom Hardy, he was amazing as Bronson and was decent in Inception (which was also very very overrated as well) but this is ridiculous!

But enough of what I have to think. I wrote this to see what y'all think. So what will is be...?



P.S. If you were confused by my Road Warrior comment here is a picture of Tom Hardy's Bane, Road Warrior guy, and the real Bane





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95 - 8/8/2011, 3:45 PM
Post-production people, post-production!

Will WB just give us the premise to this film already. Keep it cryptic, but atleast calm these worried [frick]ers down. Out of context Bane's voice sounds stupid.
LMFA0 - 8/8/2011, 3:47 PM
Everything about Bane thus far has been tragic. Unless they do a 180 in post production, I will not be going.
SigmaCenturion - 8/8/2011, 3:58 PM
post production wont fix shitty costumes and casting.
ShadesAtKnightII - 8/8/2011, 4:13 PM
Articles like this make me laugh. Let's just all judge the film on some bootleg pictures! YEAH!

"The Batman in the Nolan movies slightly resembles that of Bruce Wayne/ Batman, but falls short." God, what comic were you reading?

This article is stupid.
ShadesAtKnightII - 8/8/2011, 4:29 PM
"What makes Batman great is his rogues. They are colorful, evil, and menacing, but also very very supernatural."

Further proof that this is written by someone who doesn't know Batman.

Some of Batman's most well known villains (The Joker, Catwoman, The Riddler, not to mention the crime familes) aren't supernatural at all. And these villains aren't the one thing that makes Batman great. They certainly contribute to his character, but what makes Batman great is his self-sacrifice, and his dedication to justice, and how he has manages to overcome incredible odds, being a non-superpowered superhero. You look at what some children would have become after having their parents murdered in front of them. Where many would have turned to coruption, he chose to save the city his family believed in.

If you disagree, you seriously know nothing about the character.
JaySin420 - 8/8/2011, 4:45 PM
I'm disappointed, everything I've seen and read about this movie looks pretty lame.

But it doesn't change the fact that I'm still dying to see how it ends.
axiouz - 8/8/2011, 4:48 PM
This much hate reminds me of First class, it came and blew away everyone's minds lateron anyways
Cerebro - 8/8/2011, 5:14 PM
Batman Begins was Great, Dark Knight not so much. Nolan's just doing Rise for the fat stacks of money. So far from what I have seen this movie going to be all brawn and no brain. Also is it just me or is Batman a dick TDK. I mean he's driving down the street in the tumbler, and their is a civilian car in his way. With plenty of room to go around he blows the car up. I mean it took more time to press the button to blow the car up then move the steering wheel to the left. Dick.
BigK1337 - 8/8/2011, 5:17 PM
Agree with this article on some of the disappointing things in this movie; but I think we should wait till the actual thing to see how it turns out.

@ShadesAtKnightII
What about Clayface? Poison Ivy? Mr. Freeze? Mad Hatter? Man-Bat? Solomon Grundy (debatable, but still a Batman villain)? With villains like those in Batman, I wonder why anyone think he DOESN'T have any supernatural villains? That is pretty much the only reason anyone would disagree with you (that and the fact that many super heroes will sacrifice their personal lifes just to serve justice).

@axiouz
Its not really anything like First Class; First Class is a movie who's previous movies were critacally panned and was expected to fail due to the track run. But it surprises many.

The Dark Knight Rises, however, is a sequel who last two movies were great; but is being thought it might fail due to some "trilogy curse" where the 3rd super hero film won't be as good as the last movie. So this isn't like First Class at all, save for looks.
Supes17 - 8/8/2011, 5:59 PM
WHY CANT PEOPLE JUST WAIT FOR THE [frick]ING MOVIE BEFORE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS?
LMFA0 - 8/8/2011, 6:24 PM
Listen I will retract everything if he ends up being the Bane I know and love. When we see Tom walking around in a green skin tight suit. If they are going to CGI him then that's most likely how they will do it. But, and I feel like this is how it will be, I think the Bane we see is the Bane we will get.
axiouz - 8/8/2011, 7:00 PM
@BigK1337
What I meant was people are just jumping to conclusions real quick with Bane and Catwoman and everything, and we don't even have a full trailer yet. Everyone was hating on FC before till they saw the trailer, atleast people should wait for that before just declaring that it'll suck or it won't.
marvel72 - 8/8/2011, 7:03 PM
well i don't like the costumes so its not off to a good start for me,i'll watch the trailer & see if i can be arsed to pay & see it or get my mate to download it.
TheLoveDoc - 8/8/2011, 7:51 PM
@LMFAO
Chill it dude. This was never meant to be the Bane from the comics...it's Nolan's Bane. Take a moment to realize this is not true to the comics and you may see things different. I judge a movie on what it is, but not by what I WANT it to BE.
SigmaCenturion - 8/8/2011, 8:17 PM
@thelovedoc and ang lee's hulk was his version and not the comic book lol
BigK1337 - 8/8/2011, 9:16 PM
@BigK1337
Well that is certainly similar, but in truth there is only a few selection of people who did that. The others are either people who aren't impress with what they see but decide to just wait thinking that Nolan will make a good movie in the end or just a group of Nolanites who believe everything he does is great and will be good in the end. Either way, the Nolanites and people who hate Chris Nolan are pretty retarded when these thingds dealing with this movie comes up.

I have to say, I know this movie will be great but it isn't above criticism like all the other great movies out there.
goatmilk - 8/8/2011, 10:01 PM
The way this poll is phrased seems a bit much and I wish this movie would just come out already so we'd finally know. Think about the fact that this is speculation and bickering is gonna go on for another year!
WorldsGreatestdetective - 8/8/2011, 10:37 PM
I can't stand his love that everything has to be exactly like the comics on this site from the fan boys. The comics are not consistent to begin with. So anyway Nolan's movies are like the other majority of CBM's an adaption. But what he did more than anyone about batman is capture the mythos of each character. He emphasized the one rule of Batman; more than Burton and Shumacher -whom seemed to ignore it all together-. He made the joker what he really was; and who ever says that Jack Nicholoson's Joker is still relevant today and is more accurate to the character hasn't picked up a comic in the last 15 years. From Jeph Loeb to Brian Azzerlo to Grant Morrison we have seen them abandon the gimics of the joker for a much more demented, cynical, archaic yet dogmatic view of the joker. What kind of argument is that the joker is only 30 min in the film for TDK on your behalf LMFAO? He was the driving force kind of how like how Hannibal Lector was in The silence of the lambs, which Anthony Hopkins only had 16 min of screen time; the shortest amount of time for an oscar winning role. Now if we are going to complain Nolan's movies are not fully like the comics then who cares about making film adaptions and lets just read the old great grahphic novels as The dark knight returns, year one, the long halloween, knightfall, hush, arkham asylum and etc.

So besides that; to judge this movie by some set photos you're ignorant. They spend what 3 months max filming that is maybe 1/5 of the total time to make the actual movie. First you need a script, a cast, the pre-producing, the setting up, then the filming, and then go through maybe 7 months of watching the same movie over over for post production and putting in the score. So this is ridiculous that people would judge this so quickly, who I believe are just the minority who just make their voices heard. Also one last thing Tom Hardy is a bad ass actor so who cares about the height. seriously is that all we look at, the look of the character? Maybe it be nice to see how they capture and adapt the character in a new perspective.
Macksimus - 8/9/2011, 12:20 AM
supernatural???

What??? You mean science fiction??? Most of Bats' foes are grounded in reality for the most part even in the comics, so, I don't know what you are talking about. Yeah, there are a few exceptions like Grundy (who isn't even an original rogues gallery baddie btw), but I'd say 95% of the rogues gallery is grounded in reality and have nothing to do with the supernatural. You even named some enemies in your editorial who have nothing to do with the supernatural.

Also, you talk about the TDK being just another crime drama. Guess what Batman is? He's a crime fighter. He's not a bounty hunter from another planet or the last son of krypton or a demon hunter. He's a ****ing crime fighter. Most of his enemies are criminals. Most of his stories read like a crime drama.

Why can't people just accept that the comics and the movies are seperate?

Macksimus - 8/9/2011, 12:36 AM
Also, could you imagine how stupid comicbook Bane would look in a movie? He would look more like he should be in a ring with wrestler John Cena. C'mon, spandex suit, luchador mask, spikes around neck... He's one of the worst looking of the Batman's most well-known baddies. He looks dumb as hell IMHO. The best part of Bane was his personality and intellect; not his looks IMO.
Thablaqkgoat - 8/9/2011, 12:36 AM
Sorry man, but what do you mean Jack Nicholson was more faithful? His Joker was like the very original, yes, but like most DC characters he was changed and became much more evil and much more psychotic. Casting Heath Ledger was the one thing Nolan actually did RIGHT.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with everything. I don't like his Bat-universe. I like that it's dark and gritty, but he's putting too much effort into this "realism" and ignoring important characters and stories. He also handled Two-Face HORRIBLY. Aaron Eckhart did an amazing job, he should have been highlighted much more than he was. Kinda makes me sad he's working on Superman now =[
adiyosua - 8/9/2011, 2:50 AM
How come you make a poll with ur writing filled by your own objectivity? So, next time, i suggest, just make a fair comment/writing/statement, before you make any poll..

You want Bane look like the comic version?? Oh COME ON! We got his looks right in Batman and Robin... Big, muscles, full mask, venom.. You want him portrayed like that again?? You want a wrestler cast as Bane this time??

"What makes Batman so great is not Batman at all. What makes Batman great is his rogues. They are colorful, evil, and menacing, but also very very supernatural."

Well, Schumacher's Batman's rogue all are colourful, and evil..

TDK is only crime drama???
Have you read Long Halloween?? Year One?? killing joke??
Many good storyline from Batman comic just like crime drama, war against mafia, corruption, etc....

If u said that you don't like the realistic take on Batman, well i just wanna say, i like Batman, because its theme, some of the characters are based from real world..

Well, if you wanna watch more colourful, evil from Batman's rogue, just rewatch ur Schumacher Batman, if you wanna watch a cbm which has the story close w/ the comic, just watch Daredevil (2003)... You can skip Nolan's films hahahahahahahahah..
adiyosua - 8/9/2011, 2:50 AM
How come you make a poll with ur writing filled by your own objectivity? So, next time, i suggest, just make a fair comment/writing/statement, before you make any poll..

You want Bane look like the comic version?? Oh COME ON! We got his looks right in Batman and Robin... Big, muscles, full mask, venom.. You want him portrayed like that again?? You want a wrestler cast as Bane this time??

"What makes Batman so great is not Batman at all. What makes Batman great is his rogues. They are colorful, evil, and menacing, but also very very supernatural."

Well, Schumacher's Batman's rogue all are colourful, and evil..

TDK is only crime drama???
Have you read Long Halloween?? Year One?? killing joke??
Many good storyline from Batman comic just like crime drama, war against mafia, corruption, etc....

If u said that you don't like the realistic take on Batman, well i just wanna say, i like Batman, because its theme, some of the characters are based from real world..

Well, if you wanna watch more colourful, evil from Batman's rogue, just rewatch ur Schumacher Batman, if you wanna watch a cbm which has the story close w/ the comic, just watch Daredevil (2003)... You can skip Nolan's films hahahahahahahahah..
RyKnow - 8/9/2011, 3:17 AM
Sorry dude but it sounds like you just don't like like Nolan or anything he does (I don't see how Inception was overrated). I particularly want to talk about your Joker comments; For a start, remember when The Dark Knight was coming out? Nolan specifically stated the Joker wasn't the main villain, in words not too dissimiliar to this"... a force of nature that turns up and causes chaos where-ever he goes". Your Two-Face comment is flawed aswell. The Dark Knight was all about Harvey Dent's fall from Grace and Batman having to deal with the fact that he can never really hang up the cowl. So yeah, the Joker wasn't in the film too much, he was in it as much as he needed to be. Two-Face wasn't in the film too much because it was focusing on Harvey Dent and his eventual corruption.
The thing that's brilliant about Nolan's fims is that they're about Bruce Wayne and how events in the films require him to "dress up as a bat".

Jack Nicholson was brilliant...for his time. But time moves on and the character needed updating for the modern age; electrifying hand buzzers don't seem all that menacing considering some of the real life events we've witnessed over the past ten years. Although I will say the smilex gas could still be relevant

Which brings me to The Dark Knight Rises; People asked for Bane. They got Bane, and they're not happy (despite not seeing the finished film). People asked for Catwoman. They got Catwoman and they're not happy. Your complaining about Bane been small, yet you've only seen on-set photo's. Or did you actually see the closing seconds of the teaser trailer; through "clever" use of camera angles, they seem to have made Bane look a bit of a threat to our hero. And Catwoman; I think the comc book costume would look silly in Nolan's films. She's a cat-burglar, maybe she just gets the nickname of Catwoman for this reason.

If you want Batman films that disregard the title character and focus on villains, you should stick with Batman & Robin; villains get all the screen time, has a rubbish story, and the villains look like they've come straight out of Power Rangers. I don't know about you, but I'm FAR more impressed with the photo's of Tom Hardy's Bane than the look of, and the entire performance, of Bane in Batman & Robin. But to each our own eh?

Although I disagree with virtually everything in your article, it was a good read, and it sparked debate, not argument, which is what this site is for ;)

And yes, in Nolan I trust.
RyKnow - 8/9/2011, 3:26 AM
@ Macksimus - "The best part of Bane was his personality and intellect; not his looks" Excellently put mate, and I think that's what Nolan is aiming for.
MaestroMiller - 8/9/2011, 4:46 AM
Article like this, trying to depreciate what is obviously one work in progress, make believe that CBM is already corrupted by DC comics haters.
TheYesGuy - 8/9/2011, 5:26 AM
This is an article by either a Nolan Hater or a DC Hater..!!!!

Ppl Hated X men First Class when they saw it's Production Pics.. But Later, it turned out to be Awesome..!!!

So wait n watch..!!!

Nolan is much like his films,, You never know till the end..!!
PapaMidnite - 8/9/2011, 8:26 AM
I swore do not post comments on CBM.com anymore, but i'll do an exception here, 'cause this article is so moronic, so pathetic, that i must express my repugnancy. Well, the very same imbecile morons who's doing bad talking about 1- crappy set spy-pics, 2- voices and scenes recorded by far in cell phones, 3- crude takes w/out post-prod... i mean, you guys are really THAT stupid? Damn, we haven't got even an offical TDKR synopsis yet! So, the same stupid wanker douche kids who's talking imbecilities are the very same who will fill the theaters up when the film is released. LOL! This is supposed to be funny, but is just pathetic. Damn, what a bunch of faggots...
PapaMidnite - 8/9/2011, 8:33 AM
Oh yeah, i forgot to mention... LMFAO, go f.uck yourself, dude... then shut the f.uck up.
Alex2814 - 8/9/2011, 9:28 AM
The guy gave us 2 great Batman movies. People need to get off his back and wait to see the final product.
Caedus137 - 8/10/2011, 1:28 AM
What a bunch of spoiled, whiney little [foo foo]s people have become... So used to getting whatever they want off Mummy and Daddy that they cant seem to function at a mature adult capacity...
"Its not the real Bane"... "Its not the Batman I wanted"..."Waaaaah"... Tough shit. If you dont like it, [frick] off and dont watch it.
tehdude - 8/10/2011, 7:44 AM
i'm just gonna say that both the "in nolan we trust" fanboys and the people who are complaining about everthing kind of suck. two extremes. But the in nolan we trust fanboys get annoying. putting faith in a fallible man as if he's some sort of god... weak dude.

@Caedus137- dude, just because everyone doesn't love everything about this movie,it doesn't mean they're entilted people who can't function in the adult world... your comment is full of fail.
Caedus137 - 8/10/2011, 8:18 AM
tehdude - Okay, perhaps my comment was a bit strong, and I accept that. My point though... Look, so far there are things about this movie that I'm not thrilled about either, but writing articles and whining about it isn't going to change anything!!! Chris Nolan gets to decide the look of the movie, and as such we're getting a Batman movie which will feature Bane in a strange gas-mask and Catwoman wearing night vision goggles. Okay, cool. Might not be exactly what you wanted, but you just get on with your daily life and think no more about it! It's really not that important at the end of the day, but it just seems to me that the guy who wrote this article is taking it as a personal insult and is really upset about the way the film is shaping up, and -in my opinion - there are way more important things in life to concern yourself with than the height of an actor...
RyKnow - 8/10/2011, 9:10 AM
@ tehdude - What, like when everybody says that whatever Zack Snyder makes is gonna be good, just because he made two carbon copy CBM's?
Nolan made a film entirely of his own creation, entirely original and gave us Inception. Zack Snyder tried doing the same and we got Sucker Punch a.k.a. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with cheerleaders. You can't have a go at one group of people without having a go at the other.

I've been a fan of Christopher Nolan ever since I first saw Memento back in 2001 and he's never disappointed so that's the reason I think he'll deliver with TDKR. He very well might not, I'm not an oracle, but I'd be very surprised if he drops the ball on this one. Especially since he was reluctant to even commit to a sequel to The Dark Knight without there being a good story to tell. It's not, as you put it, weak, it's confidence based on a good track record. Trust me mate, he will not screw up this film. If he does, you get to say you told me so ;)
tehdude - 8/10/2011, 10:49 AM
@RyKnow- i've never said anything Snyder made is good. so logic fail. and i do have a go at people who like snyder, i've made comments back when sucker punch came out. it's just blind loyalty to a fallible human being is never a good thing. this could be the one mistake he makes then BAM, everyone will start hating him.
PurpleHaze92 - 8/10/2011, 7:24 PM
@LMFAO

I agree completely dude. This movie looks like shit so far, and whats really pathetic is how these dick heads worship a hack like hes [frick]in God or sumthing. Hes a [frick]ing director not a deity! And YES, INCEPTION was OVERRATED. All it had were good graphics and an outrageously stupid plot, like avatar, Its a polished piece of shit. Just like Dark knight Rises.

And Dont let these mindless Nolan-Drones get you down for stating the obvious truth, That this movie so far looks like SHIT!!!!

[frick] NOLAN.
RyKnow - 8/11/2011, 2:20 AM
@ tehdude - I aren't saying YOU did mate, it was just a comment in general. You need to calm down, I was only trying to have a discussion with you, but hey, never mind.

@ PurpleHaze92 - It sounds like you just want to provoke responses from people with comments like "dickheads" and "Nolan-Drones". I'll happily oblige you; So in your world, if someone is a fan of something, be it a rock-band, a director, an artist etc. etc. etc. than they're labelled as dickheads or drones? How and why is that?

If that's the case, am I alright to call you a Jimmy Hendrix-Drone, you dick-head? He was an overrated guitarist, he wasn't God y'know.

Not only do I sound like a tit for saying that, it's also clearly not true. Your logic appears to be that if someone likes something that you don't, you stick a label on them, and attack them with personal insults. So sorry mate, it's actually YOU that's been the dickhead. If you don't like something, that's your choice, but don't condemn other people for having a different taste to you. Judging from your comments, it sounds like you'd be better off living in North Korea or somewhere similiar where people aren't allowed their own preferences.

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