Reflections of the Hierophant: My "Rising" Fears

I've been waiting for this movie for so long, I almost forgot what scares me about it...

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By TheHierophant - 7/8/2012



      Now, most of you know that I’m a huge fan of Batman. I’m also a fan of Christopher Nolan and everything he’s done with the iconic Dark Knight. I suppose I’m what most would call a “Nolanite.” But, unlike a proper “Nolanite,” I don’t think Christopher Nolan (or his “Nolanverse”) is perfect. But, if I said I wasn’t peeing my pants like a 9-year old meeting John Cena, I’d be spinning a yarn that wasn’t true. “Telling a lie,” as it were. When “The Dark Knight” concluded, my mind was instantly racing. “Where could they go next?” “How will his story end?” There are so many avenues that Nolan could have traveled. In a world where almost everything about a highly anticipated film of this caliber is spoiled by the internet, we’re still unsure what exactly is going to go down in “The Dark Knight Rises.” I mean, we do have a general idea of how it might play out… MIGHT.

      I don’t think I’m spoiling anything when I say that Knightfall, and the breaking of a certain bat, will be touched upon. How could you not when Bane is the main protagonist? Also, it isn’t letting the cat out of the bag when I say that general idea from The Dark Knight Returns is clearly going to be a major factor. It’s also quite obvious that No Man’s Land is very evident. But, I’m not writing this editorial to tell you what you already know. No, I’m writing this to discuss my fears about
“The Dark Knight Rises.”

      I was saddened to hear the news of Heath Ledger’s death in January of 2008. Obviously, a part of me was sad because his daughter would grow up without a father. Not to mention the inevitable name-dragging of her father that she would have to endure (luckily she was only 2 at this time, but she will probably have to deal with it later in life). But, on a more selfish level, I was worried about his forthcoming film,
“The Dark Knight,” and the inevitable sequel. Would they alter the final product due to his death? And what of Joker’s future in the “Nolanverse” films?

      Luckily, Nolan assured the moviegoers that the final film would not change. After watching
“The Dark Knight,” it was clear that he was indeed telling the truth. But, another thing became clear: The Joker must have been intended for the sequel. With that lovely little line/hint, “…I think you and I are destined to do this forever.” Now there is always the chance that this was merely a nod to fans, but I thought it felt very deliberate. So, this brings me to my biggest fear for “The Dark Knight Rises”: What if Bane is just a plug for The Joker?

      Now, I know it does seem like a stretch. Christopher Nolan has always given audiences genuinely interesting stories. But, nobody is perfect. To me, it’s clear Joker was intended to have a future in Nolan’s Batman films. And, taking over Gotham, destroying the legacy of Harvey Dent, and destroying Batman/Bruce Wayne does really seem to be the next logical step for Joker in the “Nolanverse.” Of course, knowing him as the intelligent and vicious villain that he is, it also does smack of Bane. If the intended story had already been planned prior to Ledger’s death, and not written, it would be all too easy to just plug another villain into the story, add a few nods from that particular villain’s comic book history, and, PRESTO, you have what appears to be a unique-for-that-villain story. Clearly, the Nolan brothers are talented enough to pull it off. But, they are also clearly talented enough to write a completely new and interesting story IF they had to change their plan suddenly.

      A lot can be said for Christopher Nolan’s integrity when he stood his ground against WB with the issue of shooting in 3D arose. And again when WB attempted to pressure Nolan into using Riddler as the villain, wanting to cast Leonardo DiCaprio in the role (of course, one could argue this as another hint that Nolan is just plugging a villain into what was meant to be Joker’s next plan). And, lest we forget, Nolan is adamant in not hinting at Joker’s outcome in any way in
“The Dark Knight Rises.”

      Going by his track record, I believe we can trust that Christopher Nolan wouldn’t do any this. But, there is always that small chance that this sort of nonsense is not beneath him, and it’s that minuscule possibility that scares me…
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comiccow6 - 7/8/2012, 1:32 PM
He may have planned for Joker in the sequel, but I don't think that Bane is a plug. I think he'll have connections to the League of Shadows. Plus, Joker could never do to Batman in hand-to-hand combat, which seems planned, what Bane could. I think if anyone was a plug for Joker, it would be Hugo Strange, in Nolan's Bat-verse.
CorndogBurglar - 7/8/2012, 1:48 PM
Lets remember that they didnt have to change their plan "suddenly". Yes, Nolan has said that he planned to have Joker play a part in the third film, but he never said how important, or how big the role was going to be.

Also lets remember that when Ledger died, 1) Nolan wasnt even sure if he would make another bat-film because the story he had planned was now ruined due to Ledger's passing. It took him a long time to come up with a new story before he even announced that he would be doing another one. 2) He had been quoted numerous times that he wanted to make sure he had a quality story before accepting anither Bat-gig.

Nolan isnt tne kind of guy that just rushes his films and stories. I dont think you have anything to fear. :)
Denn1s - 7/8/2012, 5:44 PM
my ''rising'' fears will be important when i am about 60-70 yrs old :P
GoILL - 7/8/2012, 9:03 PM
@Denn1s LOL nice one.
NOLANITE - 7/8/2012, 10:46 PM
Rest assured NOLAN has it under control.
And I know this because he has never let us down.
I'm not just speaking on behalf of his Bat films.
He's very productive and his storytelling is phenomenal.

NOLANITE out.
DukeAcureds - 7/9/2012, 10:07 AM
The secret plot of TDKR:
Bane is imprisoned on behalf of his father, Ra's Al Ghul, from birth. His and Talia's mother is killed. Talia goes on the run, moving from town to town, escaping her enemies, always changing her name. She brings Bane to Gotham in order to finish their father;'s plans for the city, exacting revenge on it's hypocritical, beauracratic society and punishing them in kind. How dare the wealthy let the poor die whilst they fatten themselves. Batman's punishment, however is much more severe. He wil be punished his betrayal of the League of Shadows. He will be beaten and broken and he will watch his city burn.
Yes, Heirophant, that's right. Bane and Catwoman are siblings. And they are both bald, as children.
DukeAcureds - 7/9/2012, 10:09 AM
Oh and the US government declares Gotham a No Man's Land and abandons them. But Gordon fights back, from the inside.
Batman does not realise that Selina is the daughter of Ra's, until the end. So she acts as though she's going to help him in the fight against Bane.
ThreeBigTacos - 7/9/2012, 11:41 AM
My biggest question (which may or may not be relevant) is why does this keep happening to Gotham? Ra's wanted to strike at the heart of Gotham. Joker wanted anarchy. Now Bane is tearing Gotham down. I realize this can be said with nearly every hero, but it makes me question it!
Tainted87 - 7/9/2012, 12:08 PM
You'd be pretty crazy to live in Gotham, and your insurance bill would be astronomical.
TheHierophant - 7/9/2012, 9:52 PM
@comiccow6: I'm not sure about Hugo Strange. I know that Bane is a far more physical villain compared to Joker, but fight scenes can be added...

@CorndogBurglar: I suppose you're right. It did take him a long time to come up with the story. And I do recall the quotes you speak of, but it wouldn't be the first time that someone from Hollywood would lie to the fans...

@Denn1s: LMAO!

@Intruder: *sigh* I've missed you, Intruder...

@NOLANITE: It are those reasons that I believe we can trust him, but it's the small chance that he is just like anyone else from Hollywood that bothers me.

@DukeAcureds: That's... actually... pretty cool... I dig it...

@ThreeBigTacos: LMAO! I've always wondered that! I know it can be applied to any hero, but seriously. I've also always wanted to see a movie about the rebuilding of a city after the destruction during the course of a film (like "The Avengers"). I'd pay to see that movie...

@Tainted87: LMAO! I love you!

@EVERYONE: I suppose my biggest fear, as stated above, is that Nolan turns out to be just another stooge from Hollywood. I know that the chances that this movie is bad, or that Bane is a plug, are insanely high. But I just get this weird feeling from this movie...

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