MARVEL STUDIOS PRESENTS: FANTASTIC FOUR

Miles Teller? Michael B Jordan? No thanks. Tired of the FF being crapped on? Hit the jump to see an alternative take on the cast, Marvel Studios style...

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By NetmanTripleSec - 3/8/2014


It's no secret the Josh Trank Fantastic Four cast is pretty much universally hated by everyone except industry suck ups. We're all hoping that MARVEL STUDIOS gets the rights back to its first family so justice can one day hopefully be done to The World's Greatest Comic Magazine.

But in the mean time, in an alternate reality, here is my cast for a new Fantastic Four film, please chime in with your thoughts below about who you'd cast and if you like it.




Billy Crudup as Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic

Billy Crudup can play older and smart, somewhat quiet and a natural leader. Has a gentle/meek yet strong quality about him.





Charlize Theron as Sue Storm/Richards/Invisible Woman

Charlize Theron can play smart and strong, lead character if necessary, has a mature gravitas about her.





Ryan Kwanten as Johnny Storm/The Human Torch

Ryan Kwanten can play brash, young, and cocky character with sense of humor, ladies man type, but also likeable, has a youthfulness about him.





Mark Wahlberg as Ben Grimm/The Thing

I'll be damned if Mark Wahlberg hasn't been playing the part of Ben Grimm all his life: he's a former gang member from the streets who's become world famous, he's made a career out of playing "tough guy with a heart of gold" types, plus he is handsome and physically attractive which of course adds to the tragedy of Ben Grimm/The Thing, and you know he could do the accent/voice.






Mads Mikkelsen as Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom



Or Jason Isaacs (my first choice for Sinestro if Mark Strong never plays him again) as Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom



Or Stephen Moyer as Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom






ANY of the guys I listed as Dr Doom -

They all have a "sinister"ness about them, and that "you're not from around here, are ya, boy?" look about them that the ruler of Latveria should have. Also very commanding, charismatic, sexy, leading man qualities, Mads Mikkelsen, Jason Isaacs, and Stephen Moyer ALL steal the scenes in whatever project they're in.



Your turn, guys. I know MARVEL STUDIOS could make it happen and make it epic...and yes, I know we're only getting more than two Marvel character based movies this year because studios other than Marvel have rights to their characters, but I would rather have two quality Marvel films a year than a bunch of crappy ones, I'm patient, I'd rather wait a while to get a good movie than accept a bunch of crap because it's immediate.

Oh, and I'd have Michael Giacchino (Super 8) do the soundtrack (and I loved John Ottman's scores for the first two films, one of the highlights of the films for me, the awesome opening title sequence to the first film should have been left in the theatrical cut instead of being cut out (available in the extended edition for those curious)).

What do you think, guys? Who would you cast?

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Pasto - 3/9/2014, 7:13 AM
I am tired of being crapped on.
DEATHbyEXILE - 3/9/2014, 7:43 AM
'94 cast > 2015 reboot cast
MrSotoMan - 3/9/2014, 7:56 AM
Stephen Moyer for Doom....I have always thought that, he was always, ALWAYS on mind for Doom.
Wallymelon - 3/9/2014, 11:13 AM
Dude man. You're entitled to your opinion. But everyone's opinions on the cast of Josh Tranks film is completely biased. It's not based in anything but they don't look like the characters. So frickin silly guys.

It's about the inside you babies. Not the out. Grow up children and recognize what's important. Have an imagination And be open to interpretation. The film makers and actors are all incredibly capable of their roles. Stop being babies. Open up your damn minds. Open up your eyes. This film is going to be great.

Do your research on these actors and film makers and don't be so blatantly ignorant. You're not helping anyone. You're not helping human kind at all.

If you really have a problem with a black man portraying Johnny Storm then you seriously need to look inside yourself you're probably a closet racist. You should have an issue with Michael cuz you don't think he can act the role. Not cuz he doesn't look like him. Chris Evans doesn't look like storm and he inhabited the role.

Please please just get over it cuz it's happening. Wait till you see some images or a trailer.

Watch spectacular now. Watch the wire. Watch that awkward moment. Watch house of cards. Watch happy thank you more please. Watch tin tin. Watch King Kong. Watch chronicle. Watch Fruitvale station. Watch transcendence. Watch peep world.

Do your researc!!!
ALmazing - 3/9/2014, 11:32 AM
Mr Fantastic



Ben Grimm

SimpleeComplex - 3/9/2014, 12:38 PM
Crudup & Theron as Reed & Sue thumbs up.
Spock0Clock - 3/9/2014, 11:10 PM
I hate Wahlberg to my very core, but it's actually a really good choice for an interesting take on the Thing. Crudup's not bad, but I've always liked Hugh Laurie for Reed, particularly if he's depicted as older, cold, and dispassionate.
Wallymelon - 3/10/2014, 12:22 AM
You guys are so dumb.
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 3:22 AM
@ wallymelon

There's nothing dumb or racist about wanting an actor to look like the character they are portraying.
minusman - 3/10/2014, 3:35 AM
"If you really have a problem with a black man portraying Johnny Storm then you seriously need to look inside yourself you're probably a closet racist"

@Melon- Really? You are part of whats wrong with the world today by automatically assuming that anyone wanting to have Johnny Storm be portrayed as he is in the comics must be a racist. I think its you who needs to grow up.

MrSotoMan - 3/10/2014, 7:12 AM
NEWS FLASH:

If calling someone racist cause they prefer a comic version of Johnny over the black Johnny Storm makes you sleep better at night, you need to look inside of who you really are

Pseudo comic book fan

or

Comic book fan.
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 8:03 AM
@ Soto

You pretty much hit it on the head.

I'm sure there are some Comic Book Fans out there that wouldn't care, but I think the vast majority would definitely recommend the actors to look as much like the characters as possible.

If people didn't grow up with these characters, they are probably a lot less likely to care about a race change, or something else.
MrSotoMan - 3/10/2014, 8:12 AM
@CorndogBurglar- I think we should care about a race change, not make stupid arguments saying Black Panther or Luke Cage needs to be white, even though there is a point to that, it makes the argument slightly weaker.

People wanna see what they grew up reading and it's obvious this casting was

A) Cause he is close with Trank and wanted a part of this cause everybody does it now.
B) Fox saw it as something to introduce a broader audience by adding a black main character.

I'm not saying this movie will be terrible because I don't know, but it calling someone racist for wanted to see a white version of a character whos been around for over 60 years over changing his race for the sake of political movie business, it means something is not right about this movie, I sense it and a lot of people sense. For those who are not sensing it obviously don't care where it goes and practically call themselves fans out of bullshit.

45% ARE NOT F4 fans, and the majority of take up what they feel that B. Jordan will be a great Human Torch. I love the argument that this isn't Shakesphere, correct it's not, comparing it would be an insult to the legend or even an analogy. It's a comic book, and I stood by the images and imagery that was around for 60+ years the way my dad did, my brother, I did and soon my son will, well not anymore cause of this movie.
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 9:24 AM
@ soto

Couldn't agree with you more, man. Everything you said is right on. It would be different if people were saying that Jordan wasn't capable of playing Johnny Storm because its impossible for a black man to act that way, then yes, that would be racist. Or if people were saying that a black man would never be believable in the role of Captain America because black people aren't capable of exhibiting that level of morality. But that isn't what this is about. Its simply his looks.

Johnny Storm is not black. Its really that simple. Calling someone a racist because they want an actor who actually looks like the part is ridiculous.

You've been here a long time. You know how fan castings and discussions have always worked on this site. When MOST people pick an actor for a role they would like to see them play, it always comes down to acting ability and looks. Those are the two most important things in casting, whether people want to admit it or not.
Wallymelon - 3/10/2014, 11:57 AM
Im a huge fan of the FF have been for years. I am just not a stickler for image continuty becaus eim an artist that understands vision. If you cant understand someones vision then thats you. Im not calling you racist im saying if you have a real problem with it then that is something you need to look at.

i understand wanting to see a white johnny storm. but you already did. there have been 3 films produced of the FF. so theres your white Johnny storm that you can watch all day everyday if you need to. To criticize a film that hasnt even come out yet. To say this is going to be bad because they dont look like their comic counterparts is incredibly ignorant.

Youre clear focus of these comics isnt the story or the character its the image. Which is a shame. If comics were just about the image than they wouldnt give anyone a character. They wouldnt define Johnny Storm as a hot head.

Im not calling racist. Im calling ignorance.

To say simply Johnny is not Black I dont like the casting because Johnny is not black. Thats ignorance. Looks arent everything. Getting mad over this casting doesnt help anything. It doesnt help move black hollywood forward. it keeps black hollywood in the same place.

the more black actors seen in a film like this or written for a broad audience will help destroy tyler perrys career.

atleast thats how i see it. i cant stand tyler perry and films like that. its offensive and not satirical. overly steryotypical. and those are the only films blacks can get besides the bit parts in certain films. the fact that crossover exists is a problem in and of it self.

so anytime a black actor gets cast in one of these broad films i will always apllaud it. Michael B Jordan is a Solid actor so there shouldnt be an issue.

Wait until the films comes out or boycott it.
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 12:47 PM
@ Wally

I didn't call this movie bad. I said I didn't agree with the casting, and I don't.

Call me ignorant all you want, but I think its incredibly ignorant to hate on me for wanting my comic characters to look like they do in the comics. Its just my preference.

There is a point to be made in your last comment though. You mentioned the other F4 movies having white Johnny Storms in them. Well those movies sucked, so no, I will not watch them and be happy with them simply because The Human Torch is white. Not when the movie itself is horrible. See that? It isn't just race that matters to me! Crazy I know.

So maybe you'll want to stop and consider exactly what you're doing next time before coming in here and throwing around insults at people, calling them ignorant and (possibly) racist for their simple preferences that are actually neither of the two.
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 12:51 PM
@ Wally

Also, you said this:

"i cant stand tyler perry and films like that. its offensive and not satirical. overly steryotypical. and those are the only films blacks can get besides the bit parts in certain films."


You can't honestly be serious with this.......
minusman - 3/10/2014, 12:54 PM
@Wallymelon- Comics, just as movies, are a visual medium. The way a character looks helps to define that character just as his traits do. Its not the only thing but it is the first thing- just as it is in real life.

It certainly isnt ignorance either to want a character portrayed as he is the comics. Its just that we want to see the character we love as they are.

I dont think this casting choice is about trying to further any kind of agenda, nor do I think its all that creative.

All the time we see actors don make up to help the audience accept that this character has come to life. With your argument, an actor should only rely on his ability and nothing else to help sell his portrayal- why not get rid of make up entirely? No more pink skinned Sinestro, no more blue fur and skin for Beast or Mystique. Lets just find an actor who embodies the spirit of character whether they are Asian, American, European, Hispanic, African, Russian, etc.
How would that go over?
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 12:58 PM
@ Wally

Just to clarify, yes, Tyler Perry films are stereotypical and I can totally see them being offensive. Who makes those movies, by the way?

I was simply referring to the 2nd part of your comment, about black people only being able to get those types of roles.
Wallymelon - 3/10/2014, 1:18 PM
dude look at cinema. look at tv. it is rare for a black person or any person of color to be the lead in a lot of films. if the film isnt about some sort of race thing then its usually will smith and maybe idris elba. the majority of mostly people of color films is usually some sterytypical bs. because hollywood doesnt allow for black scripts that are actually good to be made unless youre spike lee and payed yuor way into it. tyler perry is a greedy buisnessman who has created opportunnity for blacks but only at his own expense. im just saying its incredibly rare for a person of color to be the lead in a film like jason bourne unless youre will smith. there arent many black lead roles being created. or theey are but arent being casted that way. Every major film with a black star is either a will smith vehicle a denzel vehicle or any other black guy with the film focusing on racial issues.
Wallymelon - 3/10/2014, 1:23 PM
I would love to see a white blade or a latino tony stark even. if howard married a hispanic woman and named their son Antonio that would be dope. doesnt change the character at all. it adds a bit to his backstory
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 1:37 PM
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I would love to see a white blade or a latino tony stark even. if howard married a hispanic woman and named their son Antonio that would be dope. doesnt change the character at all. it adds a bit to his backstory


Okay, I'm done......
Wallymelon - 3/10/2014, 2:30 PM
ok define what character means to you please. cuz clearly thats where the lost in translation is. or is it the fact that youre a purist and believe that once its done its done and theres no room for interpretation.
CorndogBurglar - 3/10/2014, 5:53 PM
Im not a purist at all. If i were then i wouldn't be a fan of any of these films with the exception of maybe Sin City, 300, and Watchmen.

But there is a reason why the most successful CBM's keep the characters close to the source material. There is interpretation in them all, but for the most part, the characters are close. It isn't even really in the movies alone. Look at the Ultimate Universe in Marvel. Captain America is much more gritty and willing to do what it takes. His morals are much more lax then the 616 comics. In the Ultimate world, he's probably portrayed more realistically along the lines of someone who fought in the biggest war i history. However, most comic fans can't stand him because they changed too much about his character. He's a dick' basically.

The same can be applied to the films. If you change too much about a character, then the people that know better, people like me who have been reading aboht these characters my entire life, are going to be disappointed.

At the end of the day, a character's appearance is a part of their character and what people want to see. Again, i'll point to the Ultimate comics. Look at Spider-Man. Peter Parker died. Sure there was outrage that a half black, half latino guy was going to be the new Spidey. That in itself is racist in my opinion. However, it was a new character, so that was fine. There's nothing racist about it. They didn't make Peter black just for the sake of doing it. Essentially, thats what they are doing in F4. They are taking a beloved character and changing a big part of him. You can say appearance means nothing, but it does.

People dont want to see a white blade, or a black Captain America simply because they are not those races. Its that simple.

Its like reading a novel, and the writer deacribes the main character a certain way, then a movie gets made and that character is unrecognizable, physically. Who would want that? It doesn't make any sense to me and it never will.
Wallymelon - 3/10/2014, 10:09 PM
Have you seen James Bond or Van Helsing or any classic novel that's been redone as a film? Have you seen Harry Potter? What about Cleopatra? Or what about Nick Fury? Skin isn't character. Eye color or attractiveness isn't character. It's the mental or moral qualities distinctive to anyone. That's why Benedeict Cumberbatch can play Kahn or a woman can be Peter Pan. Your idea of character is all based on what you see. And that's the wrong definition. Jared Leto played a transsexual. He isn't one. He isn't becoming a woman. Robert Downey Jr played a Mexican in the Soloist. Ben Affleck played a Cuban in Argo. It's called acting. It's called playing a character.

Wallymelon - 3/10/2014, 10:18 PM
I understand where you're coming from you just need to know that that isn't character. Looking at a picture and seeing a white dude in flames doesn't tell you anything about that character. That's judging a book by its cover. If you never picked up a FF4 comic and saw the team on the cover you could assume one thing. A nice team of super heroes. Then you open it and let's say it's about a squad of circus folk that are also lovers. And they never fight crime. Or explore. They just go to the circus and then have orgies.


You straight up assumed that you know everything about this character because of what they look like. Which is why all casting should be blind. The comics aren't going anywhere. It sucks that there aren't more people just creating new characters. But that's how businesses work. They don't focus on creating new they don't know if they can make money off it. But they know they can make money off of hot wheels cuz everyone loves hot wheels.

And yes partially casting a black guy in this role does add more publicity but so what. That's a huge part of this industry. That's how they'll make more of these films.
CorndogBurglar - 3/11/2014, 6:36 AM
@ Wally

Your last comments you just made show me that you refuse to listen to what I'm saying, and after this comment, I'm done. I've posted quite a few explanations to you, and you still are not getting it. I don't expect to change your mind. That isn't even what I'm doing here. But I thought you would have at least been able to see my point, but again, those last comments show me that you just aren't listening.

1. "Looking at a picture and seeing a white dude in flames doesn't tell you anything about that character."

I never said that skin color tells you anything about the character. Not once did I say that.

2. "If you never picked up a FF4 comic and saw the team on the cover you could assume one thing. A nice team of super heroes. Then you open it and let's say it's about a squad of circus folk that are also lovers. And they never fight crime. Or explore. They just go to the circus and then have orgies."

This, as crazy as it might sound, is actually true, to an extent. Certainly you're going to an extreme because obviously a cover would never have superheroes on it, and then turn around make them a bunch of sex-crazed circus folk. BUT...comic covers are often VERY misleading. A lot of the times a cover will show two people fighting, but then they don't even see each other in the book until the very last page and the actual fight takes place in the next issue.

Its just too bad that, like I said before, I never once said that a character's skin color tells you anything about their character.

3. "Your idea of character is all based on what you see."

Again, where are you getting this idea from? I even used the example of why people can't stand Ultimate Captain America, but love 616 Cap. And the reason is because of the CHARACTER differences. So don't try to tell me that I judge everything by looks. The main point i'm trying to make here is that I prefer characters to look like they do in the comics. I never said it is okay to change everything else about the character, as long as they LOOK the part. This is where you are putting words in my mouth. You're making a lot of assumptions based on one simple fact. I prefer characters to look like they do in the comic. Thats it. Everything else you have accused me of are things that you have made up in your head, despite me saying the complete opposite. So because of this, i'm done.

Have a great one.
MightyZeus - 3/11/2014, 6:52 AM
Eh, good cast i dont mind some of your choices and i actually would prefer a mature Fantastic Four cast to the Ultimate Fantastic Four which have disbanded in the comics. I just think with the reboot they should have just went all the way with the casting of Johnny Storm, i think the studio could have hired a black actress to portray Sue Storm which would be okay in my standards because i'm sure there are black females who would like to see superheroes.

I love Mads Mikkelsen as Victor Von Doom/Doctor Doom

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