THE AVENGERS 2 Theory: Do SCARLET WITCH and QUICKSILVER Need a Different Approach on the Big Screen?

If Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are brought into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they cannot be called mutants per the movies rights deal with Fox. Let's speculate how this could work...

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By TheDailySuperHero - 5/17/2013



"No more mutants."

That is what the Scarlet Witch said in the House of M comic book storyline but this is not about the comic book universe, this was just a good way to start this theory post. This is about the movie universe, specifically, the Marvel Studios cinematic universe.

So let's talk The Avengers 2 or The Avengers Sequel, whichever you want to call it. What do we know about it? Not much.

We know Joss Whedon is still writing the script, the movie should start principle photography in the first half of next year and we know that the core Avengers team will be back.

But what does that mean? Core Avengers team? It means Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and the Hulk will all be back. That's your core team. Not the Black Widow or Nick Fury or Iron Patriot or the Falcon. It's those four superheroes whose Phase 1 movies led to the first ensemble movie and they are the only definite heroes who will back for the big sequel. At least as of right now and until official announcements are made as to which heroes will be in it.

One of the big reasons this all needed explaining is due to the fact many fans think all of the secondary characters will make an appearance in The Avengers 2. Well this may not the case.

There are already rumors traveling around the Internet saying that Fury or Hawkeye or Widow may not be back and some of those will be right. Others will be wrong. One thing is clear and it's that Whedon is bringing new heroes to the team.

He has already been on record talking about a brother and sister duo which is obviously the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. But the one thing to remember about these siblings is that they're mutants and Marvel Studios does not have the movie rights to mutants (Fox does) or even to say the word mutant in the MCU.

Which brings us to our point. After discussing some Avenger and screenwriting theory with a close friend who has done actual Hollywood scripts in the past it was agreed that while Whedon is writting his script for The Avengers 2 he has to be considering new origin stories for the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Yup, that is where it gets all "Trevor Slattery". (Definition: Trevor Slattery. To drastically change a character on the big screen compared to his/her comic book version where fans freak the f**k out. This is a thing now, right?)

All jokes aside, how Whedon will go about explaining the duos powers is beyond comprehension right now since he cannot call them mutants nor can he reference their father Magneto. That is, unless Marvel can strike some deal with Fox but let's not get too far into any of that speculation or theory right now.

We have The Avengers Sequel to worry about, not a possible giant Marvel Studios-Fox crossover movie that will most likely never happen.

What are your thoughts on what might be done with the brother/sister duo since Marvel cannot call them mutants?


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DeadManDann - 5/17/2013, 9:44 AM
@LEVITIKUZ

Yeah, the Ultimate versions of the characters are.... "close."
DangerDuck83 - 5/17/2013, 9:45 AM
Just saw Joss tweeted a pic of Amy Acker & Alexis Denisof together and couldn't help but joked about Wanda & Pietro lol
Inhuman - 5/17/2013, 9:46 AM
Well you have the super soldier serum, a tub of toxic waste, gamma, asgardian technology, and mystic powers that doctor strange eventually gets. So any one of those could give superpowers lol. It all depends how Whedon uses those and mixes them in a believable scenario which gave the 2 kids powers lol
ATrueHero1987 - 5/17/2013, 9:48 AM
@Nomis I agree
Inhuman - 5/17/2013, 9:48 AM
Maybe Wanda will have close ties with Doctor Strange since she would have sorceress powers so that could definitely be a believable origin story and how she got her powers. Quicksilver I'm not so sure except maybe be took a super soldier serum mixed with something and it gave him the ability to run fast lol
Nova2012 - 5/17/2013, 9:49 AM
They definitely don't have to reference Magneto as their father....they had no clue he was even their father for a loooooong time (I could look it up when they found out but I am too damn lazy)
Gary8264 - 5/17/2013, 9:51 AM
Maybe they were two kids that Walter Bishop experimented on while he had a lab in Florida.
BlackWarrior - 5/17/2013, 9:52 AM
I say make it a mystery until A. they get the rights back or B. Strike some crazy deal with Fox....
ParisSun - 5/17/2013, 9:52 AM
@Levitikuz
If they use that crap it will ruin the movie for me. No incest storyline in the movie please. In fact I know Disney will not allow that crap into an Avengers movie, so no worries.

The Magneto issue will be easy since they didn't know he was their father anyway for awhile.

As far as their powers are concerned you could have SHIELD or some baddies like Hydra experimenting and trying to figure out how their powers work. You don't have to ever get to the why they have their powers if the Avengers step in to save them. Just leave it up to speculation and the mutant word can be avoided.
ballstothewall - 5/17/2013, 9:52 AM
Maybe the brother and sister character is only Hayley and his sister having a part in the film or only a goddamn cameo? Whatever happens, In Whedon We Trust!
StarkAnthony - 5/17/2013, 9:55 AM
well they could say the word mutant but not use it to refer to comic mutants. Like if someone in the movie called Hulk "some sort of mutant freak" they would be fine
Gary8264 - 5/17/2013, 9:55 AM
@Nova, for a long time they were considered Bob Franks's (The Whizzer) kids, then the story changed to 'em bein' Magneto's kids. 'Course we don' want 'em to use the Whizzer's origin, he was bit by a mongoose, and got super speed from it.
"Make Mine Marvel"
MrMartinMarvel - 5/17/2013, 9:56 AM
I'm sorry what was this about?
JayTopStix - 5/17/2013, 9:58 AM
You lost me at the your very stupid Trevor Slattery remark.
hiluxsurf2002 - 5/17/2013, 10:00 AM
Can the MCU use radioactive biting creatures? That seems to work well!
marccampos - 5/17/2013, 10:01 AM
In Avengers they don´t tell anything about the backstory of Black Widow or Hawkeye.. They don´t to specify the origins of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver... They can´t say the word "mutant", they can explain it just saying "they just born that way"... or "it´s a family thing". In this way they don´t change anything and don´t break the connection with Magneto or mutants.
shelbz - 5/17/2013, 10:01 AM
It's simple, they were orphaned in Eastern Europe and their powers just "came" to them in their formative years.

No need to reference mutants or the x gene
SkywayTraffic - 5/17/2013, 10:03 AM
"Which brings us to our point" Paragraph 9 of a 12 paragraph article. High school English teacher says NO.
Inhuman - 5/17/2013, 10:03 AM
The most logical origin story is to have Scarlet Witch get her powers the way Doctor Strange gets his or some variation of that, and Quicksilver took a super solider serum mixed with something that gave him the ability to run fast
Blarcade - 5/17/2013, 10:04 AM
New approach? Yeah, that's....kind of an obvious statement. They can't be called mutants I believe because of licensing issues and they're father cannot even be brought up due to the same issues. I'm not a screen writer, even I know this.

It would be much easier to use one of the characters, I'd take Scarlet Witch and axe Quicksilver, but it's ultimately Whedon's choice. It would be much easier to manage as an explanation. Really, is there such a large group of people who got excited with the long awaited cinematic debut of Quicksilver?
Blarcade - 5/17/2013, 10:05 AM
with the announcement ^
Inhuman - 5/17/2013, 10:06 AM
Having Scarlet Witch tie into Doctor Strange and Quicksilver tie in with Captain America fulfills a very believable origin story.
DravinClaw - 5/17/2013, 10:06 AM
They will work out a deal with fox cause it's a win win for fox of their x-movies crap out again they will be getting some money from avengers 2 and realize they screwed up the x movies and give the rights back and have Joss pen the reboot of the reboot of x-men movies and call it Uncanny X-Men and it will be another billion dollar movie....one can hope
DefcoN - 5/17/2013, 10:09 AM
Inhumans, that's the way to go.
hiluxsurf2002 - 5/17/2013, 10:09 AM
Even if Marvel got the rights back in the next few years, how can they reboot their entire Phases 1&2 and include story lines incorporating the X Gene? Nope, they will get an altered non-mutant origin. Maybe the cosmic cube? or maybe they posses some of the infinity gems?
NoAssemblyReqd - 5/17/2013, 10:09 AM
Gamma radiation, the Tesseract/Asgardian magic, and the Super Soldier serum are currently in play in the MCU. Could there be a way to explain their powers in terms of one of these *without* necessarily contradicting their canon origins?
Inhuman - 5/17/2013, 10:11 AM
Scarlet Witch - sorceress with ties to Doctor Strange and the Ancient One

Quicksilver - 21st century HYDRA creates their own super solider serum and gives it to Quicksilver which gives him the ability of superhuman speed. Defects and is a good guy.

BAM! Origin story completed. No reference of mutants or Magneto
NoAssemblyReqd - 5/17/2013, 10:11 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention Vibranium as another element in the MCU.
gambgel - 5/17/2013, 10:13 AM
is that hard for Marvel and Fox to decide to use the words mutants and MAgneto?

Fox would be open to it, I mean... will it hurt their franchise? No, then?
Ryden - 5/17/2013, 10:13 AM
It'd be really easy to keep things faithful as well as not step on any toes.

TONY: "So what's your guy's story? Carnie rejects? Something like that? Powers like yours don't come from no-where."

PIETRO: "If you must know, we were born with it."

TONY: "Ohh a family inheritance? Hmm interesting, must make Christmas dinner exciting at least, daddy cuts the turkey with lazer vision right?"

PIETRO: "Huh, lazer vision? Considering what my father can do, he'd make short work of that suit of yours"

"Ouch, touchy subject, and clearly some daddy issues"

Boom there you go, we mention the fact that they were born with their powers as well as eluding to a powerful father. Easy peasy. In fact you could have Nick Fury give a nod to the X-Men as well. "I've come across people like Pietro and Wanda before, it's nothing new, they're a hell of a lot nicer than that guy though..." which he says touching his eyepatch. Remember Wolverine's claw marks are present on Nick Fury's face in Avengers. I think there is some Ultimate thing where Fury lost his eye to Wolverine.

ATrueHero1987 - 5/17/2013, 10:15 AM
@gambgel yes it would. FOX is the same studio that just let DD go because they didn't want Marvel to borrow certain characters from the F4(SS & Galactus).
KalebAmos - 5/17/2013, 10:21 AM
Thanks for telling us absolutely nothing we didn't already know.
Inhuman - 5/17/2013, 10:23 AM
The mcu has gamma, asgardian technology, super soldier serum, and mysticism. They have more than enough outlets to give these 2 kids powers. Easy solution: the ancient one or the inner eye or whatever gives scarlet witch her powers just like it will be doing to doctor strange in a few years... Quicksilver took a variation of the super soldier serum which gave him the ability to run fast
KalebAmos - 5/17/2013, 10:24 AM
Who says they have to be 'called' anything?

Why can't they both be introduced as pretty mysterious characters, and when asked how they do what they do, just give each other a look and say "it's complicated" or "we were kind of born... different." Just leave it at that. I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about having to MENTION 'mutant.' This is an Avengers movie, not an X-Men movie. If they're even included, they will likely have the least amount of screen time anyway.
YoungThanos - 5/17/2013, 10:25 AM
WHY ARE PEOPLE MAKING THIS SEEM SO DIFFICULT...?

INSTEAD OF CALLING THEM "MUTANTS" JUST CALL THEM BOTH "METAHUMAN".

THERE'S NO COPY WRITE ON THAT TERM AND IT'S VIRTUALLY THE SAME THING.

AS FOR SCARLET WITCH AND QUICKSILVERS FATHER...WHO CARES!!!

THEY COULD JUST SKIP IT OR LEAVE IT AS A MYSTERY.

AS LONG AS THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR PERSONALITY AND POWERS I DON'T CARE ABOUT MAGNETO, MUTANTS OR X-MEN UNTIL THEY'RE REVERTED BACK TO MARVEL.
AntoniusMaximus - 5/17/2013, 10:25 AM
@ryden : that would be perfect haha. I could see that working
Gatsu - 5/17/2013, 10:28 AM
even if the word "mutant" can't be used there's a lot of way to dance around it, you don't need an entire vocabulary to describe them just mention that they were born this way, with their powers and you're done, i don't see the problem
JerBear - 5/17/2013, 10:28 AM
You're wrong about who the core team is. Kevin Feige has already stated that all six Avengers from the first film WILL be back and WILL be the core team.
Inhuman - 5/17/2013, 10:33 AM
Easy solution...... Scarlet Witch gets her powers from the Ancient One or the Inner Eye or whatever and in a few years the same thing will be happening to Doctor Strange. Quicksilver took a variation of the super solider serum that gave him the ability to run fast. Easy fix. No mutants or Magneto was mentioned
Viltrumite - 5/17/2013, 10:34 AM
I'm pretty sure Marvel Studios can use the term "mutant", it's pretty common terminology for changes in genetic makeup. It's not like "lightsaber", "Hogwarts", or even "Super Hero", a term joint-owned by DC Marvel. Considering the term "mutant" wasn't invented within the pages of X-Men, I don't think Fox can prevent Marvel from using it. So, I'm pretty certain that there shouldn't be any legal hang-up on using common scientific terminology, I just don't think they can reference any specific connections to the X-Men or Magneto as being their father. Even that is perfectly all right, because it was some time before they revealed in the comics who the father really was; their heritage wasn't all that relevant at first.
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