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"Smallville" Defies the Odds

When the CW moved Smallville to Friday nights, pretty much everyone wrote the show off, believing that the ninth season of the show would be the series' last. And for many, this may not have been such a bad thing because in so many ways season eight was a disappointment.
Well, in the overnight ratings for last night's episode, "Crossfire," holds up, then Smallville has risen in the ratings AGAIN, this time to 2.6 million viewers. This represents a continuing increase in viewers, which doesn't even count the number of people watching the show on DVR. As a result, a 10th season is looking more and more likely.
Overall this season, while some of the plotting has been a bit lackluster and there are still continuity and credibility stretches, as far as the characters are concerned, things have been vastly improved, especially with the Lois & Clark dynamic. Almost every scene that Erica Durance and Tom Welling is in together positively crackles.
So what is the feeling about season nine in particular? Feel free to sound off below.

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EdGross
10/31/2009

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79 Comments

I didn't write it off for Friday nights, but i did for crappy season 8 lol!

Cool news @ ED! Smallville's going from strength to strength!!

Lets hope it keeps that way after all i reckon for the good turn around is because of the response CW got for last season, they knew they messed up with the crappy watered down DOOMSDAY tv version an stuff!!

Their making it up to us! ; D

I say bring it on, and bring on spin offs too!!!
LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 10:55 AM
I must say this season has been pretty good. Better than last season for sure!!!
InstigatorGIRL - 10/31/2009, 10:57 AM
Damn lee your fast. i was going to post first but meh 3rd.

Last nights ep was cool I'm glad they finally had clark and lois kiss. And i hope they keep speedy cause all the other JLA is gone at least keep someone else if they aren't going to have the JLA with Green Arrow and Boyscout.

cris1986 - 10/31/2009, 11:05 AM
Cris @ Hey thirds a good place!! Better than forth, oh crap im forth! ; D

Not sure on SPEEDY still, pity we didn't get the original SPEEDY first, real shame, but can live with it lol, still dreading [frick]ing STARGIRL??! It should be STARMAN first!

You know WB was gonna make a STARMAN tv series, shame it never happened, we got BIRDS OF PREY instead i think lol.

LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 11:15 AM
the shows is getting good missed yesterda episode
flames809 - 10/31/2009, 11:16 AM
Flames @ Cant be that good then lol, im joking, heck stay outta them BARS Friday nights till after SMALLVILLE! : D
LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 11:19 AM
awesoome even though i missed last night
clarkkent007 - 10/31/2009, 11:26 AM
This show is a decent television interpretation of a great character mythology. Things are different and yet, they are the same. Clark Kent is taking an awful long time to get through his training, but his character is developing. The budget will always limit the imagination of the writing crew, but they are showing things on television that no-one has ever seen in Superman outside of the direct to DVD releases by DC. The Justice Society, the Legion, Metallo, The Justice League, the Toymaker, Lex Luther, Lois Lane, Zor-el, Zod...... All we have ever seen in the movies is Zod, who rocked.... Lex Luther... PUHLEESE.... and some atomic nuclear moon man.... so .. yeah.
TheTruth - 10/31/2009, 11:37 AM
the kiss at the end last night was pretty good. and the girl who is going to be Olivers sidekick is pretty hot in the red and yellow stripper clothing
LaffaTaffa - 10/31/2009, 11:44 AM
Wow! nice.
Smallville's showing great promisse for season 10.
Spilox - 10/31/2009, 11:47 AM
Yea! The kiss was incredible! Clark saving Lois and Ollie was SUPER! Loved it!!!
FutureFoe - 10/31/2009, 12:06 PM
show really sucks.
InFamouslyCool - 10/31/2009, 12:12 PM
this is the best season yet! last night's episode was great! the kiss was surprising for sure, speedy was hot,
(and is it just me or is "tess" getting hotter with each episode?) also oliver was shirt-less for almost the whole episode so im sure that was great for the ladies. absolutly NO complaints for this season.( now all we need is to see lex re-appear, and this season will be perfect), not to mention the justice society episode coming up and next week we finally get to see JOR-EL in person! nothing but good things to come!
peterparker420 - 10/31/2009, 12:17 PM
cool news ed!

If there is a 10 season! i hope it starts as him being superman!

so by the end of this season 9, he becomes the man of steel! ;)
BigNick - 10/31/2009, 12:22 PM
it's cool so far
Denn1s - 10/31/2009, 12:24 PM
its pretty good but needs more zod and hasn't shown much of a plot yet
batcavepwnsphonebooth - 10/31/2009, 12:33 PM
I wanna see it make it to ten. Plus seeing the two of them kiss last night, without it being some kind of deux a machina crap, was awesome. I just hope they dont dick around with the two of them like they did with him and Lame-a I mean...Lana!
TheDurkinKnight - 10/31/2009, 12:38 PM
this season is rocking....good plots and way improved acting...lois and clark dynamic is mighty brilliant...
plus from roulette to mia...all the chicks are frickin smoking fine!!!!
and with clark referencing the anti-life equation in ep5...well darkseid is around the corner for sure
Anil Rickly - 10/31/2009, 12:42 PM
and tess working with the RAO corporation?...wow fanboys like me are giddy...bring on the red sun
Anil Rickly - 10/31/2009, 12:48 PM
ohh..and having the blood of the blur? hmm...maybe we'll see a proper bizarro clone or even conner kent cloned with clark and lex's dna
Anil Rickly - 10/31/2009, 12:56 PM
Season 9 has been pretty good so far although this Zod thing feels like its going the same was as the Doomsday storyline did...disappointment! :(

Still, at least we've had a costume of sorts and some decent cameos here and there - but when the [frick] is he finally going to fly!?!
JoshW - 10/31/2009, 12:57 PM
I am kind of suprised that Supernatural is now beating Smallville in the ratings though! The latest episode pulled in 2.9 million viewers! (sorry LEE, lol!)
JoshW - 10/31/2009, 12:59 PM
At least Lois doesn't get hit over the head every week like Lana did. Lana should be a vegetable by now.

I watched a few shows this season trying to determine whether I wanted to see more, usually I wait for the last few episodes leading to the finale. But I've been pleasantly surprise so far. I think now that the Clark and Lois relationship thing is starting to happen, it added a little life to the show.
stopdropandroll - 10/31/2009, 1:05 PM
As always i must inpart my thoughts about smallville LOL. So far season 9 is looking like one of there better seasons for alot of the same reasons alot of you have already mentioned.

I know like alot of you what is really peeking the interest of the fans is seeing all of the DC characters finally becoming part of the smallville equation. The other part is knowing that the justice league will become a larger part of the show.

the impending matchup that will occur between justice leauge and the army of Zod at seasons end SHOULD be a two part episode OR a 2 hour finally since we dont know if there will be a season 10.

add it all up and what your getting is the potential for something very exciting for fans and thats a very good thing especially since season 8 was a major disappointment.

kudos to CW and whos running the show for correcting a show that looked broken and fixed it.
brianj22 - 10/31/2009, 1:10 PM
joshw24, the real reason Supernatural is beating Smallville is that it remains in its Thursday timeslot. The fact that Smallville is airing on Fridays at 8 -- oftentimes considered a deathslot -- is impressive, espcially since the numbers seem to tick up with every episode. Whatever the feelings about the show, it definitely has a large audience that continues to support it.
EdGross - 10/31/2009, 1:17 PM
brianj22: I agree with a lot of your points but im not 100% convinced that they've fixed the show completely...its a lot better but theres a lot that still needs to be improved on IMO! Your finale idea sounds awesome though! :)
JoshW - 10/31/2009, 1:21 PM
anti life eq was referenced...season finale = darkseid and co. vs JLA
Anil Rickly - 10/31/2009, 1:24 PM
EdGross: I didnt know that about the whole timeslot thing - I live in the UK and as neither show is normally on until months after you guys see it, I watch both online (though i also watch them on TV when they do finally come here!)

I guess by this point both shows are relying on their respective fan bases, as I read somewhere that Supernatural's ratings have dropped since last season as well!
JoshW - 10/31/2009, 1:26 PM
Also, the competition on Thursday night has gotten pretty fierce.
EdGross - 10/31/2009, 1:34 PM
I think Supernatural lost ratings because of the constant bickering between Sam and Dean. They lost the sense of family they shared in the few two seasons. But slowly they're getting back on track and working well together again. I think this will eventually mean a spike in ratings once old fans get wind of this.
stopdropandroll - 10/31/2009, 1:36 PM
Wow.....it's good to see all the love for SMALLVILLE! They have done a better job in every aspect of the show so far this year which is, quite frankly, VERY suprising. I had all but written off the new producers, but it seems they are finally getting their head out of their @sses!

Last nights ep was AWESOME. They way CLARK saved LOIS & OLIVER was sick, and I loved how he paused in front of OLIVER so he would know just how lucky he was to be saved........SICK!!!!


@BRIANJ22-

They did indeed say that the LEGION ep would be a 2-part episode, don't think it's the finale tho. I wonder what they are saving for that....???
Talontd - 10/31/2009, 1:38 PM
The scene in the last episode, where Clark stops the machine gun bullets and than catches that last bullet centimeters before it hit Ollie's eye was vintage hero stuff.
TheTruth - 10/31/2009, 1:41 PM
daMM I NEED TO SEE THAT LAST EPISODE SINCE YA ALL SAYIN IS GOOD CLARK SAVING LOIS AND OLIVER AT THE SAME TIME
flames809 - 10/31/2009, 1:47 PM
it would be cool to see that zod finds lex alive and they both team up and lex dont remember shit they just team up to kill clark
flames809 - 10/31/2009, 1:50 PM
stopdropandroll: Yeah, that actually ruined Season 4 for me...still, as you said things are back on track now so it can hopefully only get better from here! The lates episode with old Dean was hilarious!
JoshW - 10/31/2009, 2:04 PM
Earlier somebody mentioned that were expecting him to be in the full costume. I read an interview with Kelly Souders (executive producer) in which she said the costume would not be making an appearance -- whether or not it's on Clark -- until the very end of the series because as far as they're concerned, it's that moment when he becomes Superman and the show is no longer solely about Clark Kent.
EdGross - 10/31/2009, 2:46 PM
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DarthMulder - 10/31/2009, 3:02 PM
damn good season
ComicFreak11 - 10/31/2009, 3:37 PM
honestly with how messy the series was before the new poroducers got on board, its not surprising that season 8 was such a mess. Smallville is a completely different show since the good ol days of Jeph "Red Hulk" Loeb was a consulting producer. and it honestly gets better every season. Season 8 was looking like that and then Lana showed up and Doomsday sucked. But It was all neccesary so the show could become a much better "Superman" show. This is a great show, if only we could get some of the people who watch Boob Whisperer, I mean Ghost Whisperer to watch Smallville.
jadams07 - 10/31/2009, 4:29 PM
All the episodes of Smallville have rocked so far! I really really hope they bring back Brian Autin Green as Metallo cause as everyone saw...HE WAS METALLO. Keeping Toyman around as a part of Tess's plans was very cool I just hope they use him more later in the season. Not sure what to think of the gossip girl reject that is Tess's sidekick, doesn't seem to fit in, I get the feeling that something may start brewing between him and Chloe, YUCK, not needed. Great to see Lois and Clark kiss and finally Zod shows up for something useful. This season has been a vast improvement over all the previous 8 and lets hope we see at least season 10.
Redhood - 10/31/2009, 5:58 PM
anti life equation folks...darkseid is comin...clark knows it
Anil Rickly - 10/31/2009, 6:10 PM
Yeah, Smallville has improved so much it's a shock to
me too! I don't know what the producers did during the
break but somehow they've pulled their heads so far out
of their butts they can actually see clearly again! :D

The stuff with Clark saving Lois and Ollie and showing
Ollie he did it was big time movie stuff! Wow, that
really rocked my socks! The FX was simply amazing! And
the story was highly propelled along with some of the
strongest acting and scripting I've ever seen on this show!

As for Supernatural they are back on track too and
thursday night's epi was so funny it made my sides ache!
Chad Everett did a wonderful job playing the old Dean!
DDD - 10/31/2009, 7:16 PM
Nine seasons is enough. The show is on DVD and I'm losing my mind that they both cost too much money. They should lower the prices because it's ridiculous to spend $60 per season.
Torian Brown - 10/31/2009, 8:04 PM
good stuff, good stuf
JohnClayBurchett - 10/31/2009, 8:48 PM
Bring back EVERYONE for a finale with darkseid, then spin-off to JLA show!
cincyboy - 10/31/2009, 10:43 PM
in responce to joshw24's comment to me

"I agree with a lot of your points but im not 100% convinced that they've fixed the show completely...its a lot better but theres a lot that still needs to be improved on IMO! Your finale idea sounds awesome though! :)"

your right josh that its not 100 percent fixed but when you compare it to season 8 it is LOL.

regarding the finale idea, people in hollywood are very predictable. its not rocket science to see where this is going. lets home that im right on this one because if I am it will be there best finally ever, and if the show doesnt come back for a season 10 it would be one hell of a way to close out smallville and spin it off to a JLA series.

:)
brianj22 - 10/31/2009, 11:24 PM
in responce to Talontd's comment to me

"They did indeed say that the LEGION ep would be a 2-part episode, don't think it's the finale tho. I wonder what they are saving for that....???"

you may or may not be confusing something but i might be wrong. there is an episode coming up called JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA. Geoff Johns (who is the main writer for the GREEN LANTERN comic book) wrote the ep. I must have missed the announcement that its a 2 part ep but im not sure.

the JSA ep coming up is, according to johns an ep where JLA goes up against JSA. YES, THATS RIGHT the good guys go at it against each other. eventually in the end the good guys kiss and make up then go after zods army.

It is not the final ep of the season. What I was talking about was MY idea of what SHOULD happen at the end of season 9 where it would probably be a 2 hour season finale where JLA/JSA join up with Clark AND the return of SUPERGIRL and whoever she finds in her search for the remaining survivers of krypton.

If you recall in Kara's last ep she says shes going to look for survivors. Trust me, shes coming back with some help. :)

brianj22 - 10/31/2009, 11:37 PM
In responce to flames809's comment

"it would be cool to see that zod finds lex alive and they both team up and lex dont remember shit they just team up to kill clark"

your idea isnt that far off actually flames. rumor has it lex will be back but either zod is going to find him or tess will. either way u can bank on lex being back, even if its just for the last 3 eps of the season.
brianj22 - 10/31/2009, 11:40 PM
in responce to cincyboy;s comment

"Bring back EVERYONE for a finale with darkseid, then spin-off to JLA show!"

Again, good call cincyboy. rumor has it darkseid might become part of the equation but im not 100 percent sure yet. your idea has merit. Good call.

brianj22 - 10/31/2009, 11:42 PM
LOVE THIS SEASON...SEASON TEN RENAME THE SHOW METROPOLIS
GUNSMITH - 11/1/2009, 12:33 AM
in responce to GUNSMITH's comment

LOVE THIS SEASON...SEASON TEN RENAME THE SHOW METROPOLIS

Gun, they were asked at comic con if there would be a spin-off series called metropolis and they said no, that what you have now IS metropolis because everything in he smallville setting is now being set in metropolis, not in smallville, and there is no real good reason to change the name.

besides, why change the name of the series to metropolis just for season 10?

you will either see a JLA spin off or a green arrow spin off.
brianj22 - 11/1/2009, 1:10 AM
I've been an off and on viewer of this show; however, I've seen every episode this season either on Friday or from my DVR on Saturday, and they've been great. Best season by far.

Of course there are some major continuity issues that I'm torn about (ex: as a Green Arrow comic fan I like that they're pulling in a fairly new, but substantial comic book character in Mia, aka Speedy, but it's kind of like if they had a show with Batman and Robin, but they never had Dick Grayson and jumped straight to Tim Drake skipping Jason Todd), but overall I think they've done a good job of getting the show progressing again from a stagnant place it had been in for years.
NAPosey - 11/1/2009, 1:18 AM
oh, btw, if there is a season 10, AND if there are plans for a JLA spin-off, you can bet your butt that the inevitable will happen, that is WW, GL, and the bat will become part of the equation.

The way i see this playing out is GL, WW, and Batman will be in season 10 mid-late season, with the big buildup to the Batman episode.

It might not happen in episode 1, season 1 of the new JLA series but since WW, GL, BATMAN, Superman, Flash, Hawkman, Aquaman, and martian manhunter, are all considered founding members of JLA you can bet they might be in smallville season 10 so they can introduce the characters into the storyline than get everyone together for the big battle at seasons end to cap off smallville and begin JLA.

now its just a matter of getting GL, WW, and batman into smallville somehow. Green arrow will most likely be the one to somehow "recruit" batman into it since GA is a billionaire and so is bruce wayne. im sure one or the other will go to the others city to do business and somehow there alter egos will cross paths fighting crime in the same scene.

Since Geoff Johns is helping write episodes of smallville you can bet he will somehow get GL into the picture. The trick is getting WW into the mix. That is where I see the GL tie in.

ive said in a previous posts that regardless if GL is hal jordan or jon stewart, or guy gardner, the tie in with WW to me is hal jordan since Steve Rogers and hal jordan are both pilots. you can have you imagination go from there to see the WW/GL tie in.

I think the whole point of this post is the fact that a JLA storyline can be done and should be done. its what the fans want, god knows its what I want, and im sure everyone on this board and other message boards will agree it can and should happen.
brianj22 - 11/1/2009, 1:40 AM
If Green Lantern appears on Smallville, there's no way it would be Hal Jordan. And it's also unlikely that they would allow any Lanterns on the series until the Green Lantern feature film is released. Would Warners really want a live action version of GL to appear with a television budget when they've got a $200 million feature film version on the horizon? Not likely. The effects would never hold up in comparison, and it's unlikely the studio would want that to the be audience's first exposure to the live action version of the character.

With Batman, there's no way Warners will allow it to happen. The feature film and television departments are extremely territorial. With Dark Knight grossing $1 billion and the studio already expressing that they will wait for Chris Nolan to make the next move for the character, they simply won't give the Smallville producers permission to use Batman. Besides, in a lot of ways Oliver Queen/Green Arrow is filling the niche that Batman would have.

Now Wonder Woman COULD be a possibility, especially if the feature department of Warners is unable to get the character off the ground. Maybe they would give permission for her to appear on Smallville.
EdGross - 11/1/2009, 10:11 AM
I think this new season is much better than last season!Oliver...Awesome Clhoe....awesome Lois and clark awesome!!! bring on watchtower and the justice league
realcrow - 11/1/2009, 11:18 AM
Looks like Clark has finally grown a pair this season.
icebergslick - 11/1/2009, 11:42 AM
@icebergslick - TOTALLY! I've waited 9 seasons to see his pair.
TaffetaDarling - 11/1/2009, 8:26 PM
in responce to EdGross's comments:

"If Green Lantern appears on Smallville, there's no way it would be Hal Jordan. And it's also unlikely that they would allow any Lanterns on the series until the Green Lantern feature film is released. Would Warners really want a live action version of GL to appear with a television budget when they've got a $200 million feature film version on the horizon? Not likely. The effects would never hold up in comparison, and it's unlikely the studio would want that to the be audience's first exposure to the live action version of the character."

Ok, for the one billionth time, let me try and explain this so the Edgross's of the world get this down.

1) DC owns the characters, NOT WB.
2) CW is owned by WB so where is the conflict there?
2) just because someone has the rights to do a movie on the character DOES NOT mean they have exclusive rights to the characeter. it just means that someone else cannot do a movie about GL until theyre number of tracted movies are done. period, end of story.
3)GL is not going to be the main character in a JLA tv series. you might have an argument if someone wanted to do a full on tv series about GL but thats not going to be the case here. hes a main character, but not the main part of the story.


"With Batman, there's no way Warners will allow it to happen. The feature film and television departments are extremely territorial. With Dark Knight grossing $1 billion and the studio already expressing that they will wait for Chris Nolan to make the next move for the character, they simply won't give the Smallville producers permission to use Batman. Besides, in a lot of ways Oliver Queen/Green Arrow is filling the niche that Batman would have."

Eddie, again, the producers do NOT need permission from WB to use batman. if that were the case then explain to me how they just came out with a Batman video game called ARKUM ASYLUM, AND have an ongoing animated cartoon series based on batman?

"Now Wonder Woman COULD be a possibility, especially if the feature department of Warners is unable to get the character off the ground. Maybe they would give permission for her to appear on Smallville.

Again, they dont need WB's permission. In fact im going to call WB AND DC myself and see if I get answers to these questions and settle this once and for all.
brianj22 - 11/1/2009, 10:18 PM
Brianj22, you're being a bit condescending here with your tone, which isn't necessary. Your point that DC owns the characters and not WB, is not true. Warner Brothers owns DC, therefore they are indeed the final arbiters. As to the Arkham Asylum and animated series - those are entirely different situations that have no bearing on live action versions. But the studio nonetheless has to give the okay.

I have been at the entertainment journalism game for 25 years and I'd like to think I've gained a little knowledge over that time. I know FOR A FACT that the producers of Smallville had always wanted to bring Bruce Wayne on to the show, the same thing with Wonder Woman, but in both instances they were turned down by Warner Brothers because of the features in development. It is precisely the reason that the Oliver Queen/Green Arrow character was introduced.

It's a situation that has happened repeatedly.

When development began on the animated Legion of Superheroes series, Warner Brothers (the studio) insisted that the show had to have Superman in it so that it would tie in to Superman Returns. No Superman, no show.

Again, DC is a subsidiary of Warner Brothers. It's simply the way it is.

EdGross - 11/1/2009, 10:45 PM
EdGross, While I admit i forgot that WB did buy DC Entertainment, your forgetting a factor here and that is what I mentioned before, that just because nolan or someone else is doing a movie about batman that doenst mean wb will prevent another one of their entities from using the batman character. they may choose not to allow it but to not allow it is rediculous since batman would NOT be a main character in the smallville/jla spin off.

In fact, according to one of the reports I just read on online says about the WB/DC deal.

• DC Entertainment is essentially a new company under the Warner Bros. Entertainment umbrella designed to more effectively and aggressively make use of -- or "exploit," if you will -- the DC Comics characters in television, movies and other media. That's long been viewed as a weak point in the DC-Warner Bros. relationship.

If this is true, and the goal is to move more of the DC characters into TV and other forms of media, than the only people stopping batman or any other dc character from being a part of the smallville universe, would be themselves and would defeat the purpose of doing the deal to begin with.

You are correct that WB did stop the smallville producers from using batman/bruce wayne BUT at the time THE DARK KNIGHT was all but ready to hit the theatures at that time.

Today, the new batman movies isnt even close to starting production AND like I mentioned before, this time around the BATMAN character would be a smaller part in the smallville universe than what the smallville producers origianlly wanted batman to become which was more of a regular on the show the way the Green Arrow is now. THATS why GA is a regular on the show and batman isnt.

as far as getting WW on the show, having a plotline that would get her on the show is 10 times trickier thing to do than having billionare bruce wayne/batman make a pit stop in metropolis. I think right now they are just too lazy to put her into the equation than having WB hold them back.

I think theyd love to have her on the show but I think they are still working out the kinks of getting the other DC characters on smallville first before they go down that road, and since my BOLD and fearless prediciton is that there will be a season 10 for smallville AND since 10 will be there final season they will go all out and put WW, GL, and batman on for one final send off which will lead to a JLA spin off.

I am still very much convinced from what I see and hear that there will be a JLA tv show and this year is only proving out to be prophetic, even if its a slightly condensed version of it.

either way I wasnt trying to sound condesending about your post. its just ultra fustrating that people do come on these msg boards and dont get all of the facts straight about what REALLY goes on in the industry.
brianj22 - 11/1/2009, 11:38 PM
I'm pretty straight with my facts -- and I cannot believe that I'm going back and forth like this -- but for the time being, live action Batman is very much Chris Nolan's domain. Warners has said this; that they are waiting to see what his next move is. With Dark Knight grossing over $1 billion, WB can afford to be patient to see what his decision may be. In fact, besides tax incentives, one of the big things that put the kibosh on George Miller's "Justice League: Mortal" was the fact that Nolan didn't like the idea of another Batman out there.

A season 10 of Smallville grows increasingly likely every week with the ratings on the increase. The show is pulling the best CW numbers in that timeslot the network has had, so the renewal is a no-brainer.

I have yet to see anything concrete pointing to a JL spin-off from Smallville. Can one assume there could be one? Absolutely. But the CW has given no indication of even contemplating one at this point. If you have seen reports to the contrary, I would be very interested in checking them out.

As to DC Entertainment, it was created in response to everything happening with Marvel, and it's existence is completely justifiable. Yes, it is designed to better exploit DC characters, but that STILL doesn't mean that they're going to tamper with a billion dollar enterprise like Nolan's Batman, or risk a low budget live action GL when they've got nearly a quarter of a billion dollars tied into a GL feature film.

And whether DC Entertainment as an entity exists or not, the producers of Smallville simply do not have carte blanche when it comes to DC's characters. Every character has to be approved by DC as well as Warner Brothers itself.

Truth be told, I hope that you're right and I'm wrong -- I'd love to see Batman, GL or WW on Smallville -- but, especially in the case of Batman, it isn't likely to happen for all of the reasons I've outlined.
EdGross - 11/2/2009, 4:00 AM
SMALLVILLE HAS BROKEN LORE, GET BATMAN IN THERE..THE BATMAN WE SEE ON SMALLVILLE WON'T NESSASARILLY BE DARKNIGHT NOLANS VERSION. BRING THE BAT
GUNSMITH - 11/2/2009, 9:11 AM
im with gunsmith...they did have bruce wayne visit way way back in like what season 4 i think...

they can pull it off without the outfit also.
vonstallin - 11/2/2009, 10:41 AM
anti life equation is the bomb!!! literally
Anil Rickly - 11/2/2009, 11:15 AM
In responce to EdGross's comments

"I'm pretty straight with my facts -- and I cannot believe that I'm going back and forth like this"

Hey, its all in good fun. :)

"live action Batman is very much Chris Nolan's domain. Warners has said this; that they are waiting to see what his next move is."

If that was contractually agreed upon between WB and Nolan than dukos to nolan because WB should NEVER give any movie producer/director that kind of power over a character, especially one that popular, just because they are doing a live action flick.

The TV world and movie world almost never collide in the mythoology so the fact is that bruce wayne/batman would most likely be nothing like like what it is in Nolan's version of both. See the cartoon character version of the animated movie versions as well. your right though, im sure they are waiting to see what nolan will do with the character(s) before deciding what do do with them if there is to be a tv version in Smallville/JLA.

"As to DC Entertainment, it was created in response to everything happening with Marvel, and it's existence is completely justifiable. Yes, it is designed to better exploit DC characters, but that STILL doesn't mean that they're going to tamper with a billion dollar enterprise like Nolan's Batman, or risk a low budget live action GL when they've got nearly a quarter of a billion dollars tied into a GL feature film."

i hear what your saying about not wanting low budget versions of either while they are in movie production, but ill go back to what ive said in the past i need someone to explain to me why they can have video games and anitmated tv shows/movies of those characters while production is going on.

in reality, I never felt that the JLA tv show would begin their show with batman and GL right off the bat, especially if this is to be a smallville spin-off becuase so far the smallville universe those characters are not being used. they can come later. other dc characters are being added into the mix everyday so while were waiting on GL and bats to appear, we can at least enjoy the rest of the jla characters while we wait oh so patiently for the big guns to arrive.

if the spin-off series is not related to the smallvlle universe than they can start with a clean slate and, imo, season 1 will be just showing how the league was formed to begin with, so the league wont be formed from the start.

What my bold prediction is this, if there is a season 10 of smallville, and its looking more and more likely that it will happen, than judging on the supposed release dates of both movies (july 17, 2011 for GL, and sometime in 2012 for batman 3) batman and GL will be introduced to smallville/jla to piggie back the popularity of the movies into the tv series. that should help their ratings, especially if they hint at it during the traliors before the GL and batman movies.

"And whether DC Entertainment as an entity exists or not, the producers of Smallville simply do not have carte blanche when it comes to DC's characters. Every character has to be approved by DC as well as Warner Brothers itself."

I dont thin anyone ever say the smallville producers have carte blanche, but they do have the capability to use them with approval. Besides, every time you use of of the DC characters that costs $$$$$$, and smallvilles budget isnt that high.

"Truth be told, I hope that you're right and I'm wrong -- I'd love to see Batman, GL or WW on Smallville -- but, especially in the case of Batman, it isn't likely to happen for all of the reasons I've outlined."

no offense but here is hoping your wrong too LOL
brianj22 - 11/2/2009, 4:09 PM
In responce to Gunsmith and vonstallin's comment

"im with gunsmith...they did have bruce wayne visit way way back in like what season 4 i think...

Can either of you tell me in which episode? check out this link and you let me know because ive seen every ep and Ive NEVER seen him on the show.

http://www.watchsmallvilleonline.com/season-4/

The closest I remember that they might have come to having him on was in one of the eps one of the bad guys said he had to go back to gotham. I think it was the ep where Margot Kidder's character got killed off. other than that I cant think for the life of me how he got on the show.
brianj22 - 11/2/2009, 4:16 PM
I can't believe people hate on this show.. Do you realize how locked up rights are to the character of Superman and is life basically. We are lucky they were able to come up with the ideas they have had to keep the show going. They have done what they can to keep it with the history but u cant be picky especially for network TV. I for one am enjoying the show, its so far the best and cant wait for season 10.. Sometime u have to think outside of the box and smallville does so hate all u want
silentjay - 11/2/2009, 9:16 PM
Batman was never in SV. They were thinking about it and went with green arrow instead.
Scarycherry - 11/2/2009, 11:21 PM
Thank you for clarifying scarycherry. once i lost my job I went online and saw every ep from season on through to where i picked it up in season 8. BW was never on the show.

BTW, i dont know how many people know this but before smallville was created CW/WB wanted to do a show called THE GREYSONS, but they shot it down to do smallville instead. i dont know if a show about robin would have worked but a show about knightwing or robin might not be a bad thing, especially if its on the CW.
brianj22 - 11/3/2009, 8:56 AM
This season is better than last season, I like the whole Oliver thing but I just have no clue where this season is going. The whole Kandorian thing is kinda screwy. Is Zod a general or a major?
Herc509 - 11/3/2009, 11:08 AM
hes a major at this point Herc. I thought he was going to be considered a General but this is smallville so...

IF yove ready any of my postings this is building up to be JLA/JSA against Zods army.
brianj22 - 11/3/2009, 8:19 PM
The Greysons was not thought up before SV, it was thought up around season 5 or 6.

Zod is a Major because he is a clone of the younger Zod, before he moved to the top of the ranks.

Tonight's episode was awesome! This season just keeps getting better and better. I thought for sure they would use Jor-El to advance Clark on his way to being the Superman we all know and love, there were so many possibilities, it was still a totally awesome epi. Anyone that is bashing without having given S9 a chance is missing out. This is what S8 could have been.
HarrisonBergeron - 11/7/2009, 12:14 AM
In responce to HarrisonBergeron's comment

"The Greysons was not thought up before SV, it was thought up around season 5 or 6."

Actually it was originally thought up before smallville began because even before smallville and the greysons were thought up they wanted to do a smallville version of bruce wayne but it was scrapped. Thats when they thought up the greysons but that was put off to do the current version of clark kent.

The difference now is that they are resurrecting the idea for the greysons because season 10 of smallville will most likely be their last and will have a spin off series. That is in part why there will be a pilot called THE GREYSONS to gauge market responce the same way they did the AQUAMAN pilot with Justin Hartley.

My gut feeling is with WB buying DC Entertainment than we could see a Greysons show along with a spin off to smallville. That will help CW not only in the ratings BUT help market themselves with male audiences since right now its the channel of the 14-26 yr old girls.



My gut feeling is that with the potential for either a Green Arrow or JLA/JSA spin off series, the Greysons will be nothing more than a pilot but you never know.

brianj22 - 11/7/2009, 10:23 AM
In responce to HarrisonBergeron's comment

"The Greysons was not thought up before SV, it was thought up around season 5 or 6."

Actually it was originally thought up before smallville began because even before smallville and the greysons were thought up they wanted to do a smallville version of bruce wayne but it was scrapped. Thats when they thought up the greysons but that was put off to do the current version of clark kent.

The difference now is that they are resurrecting the idea for the greysons because season 10 of smallville will most likely be their last and will have a spin off series. That is in part why there will be a pilot called THE GREYSONS to gauge market responce the same way they did the AQUAMAN pilot with Justin Hartley.

My gut feeling is with WB buying DC Entertainment than we could see a Greysons show along with a spin off to smallville. That will help CW not only in the ratings BUT help market themselves with male audiences since right now its the channel of the 14-26 yr old girls.

My gut feeling is that with the potential for either a Green Arrow or JLA/JSA spin off series, the Greysons will be nothing more than a pilot but you never know. I think it could work but id rather they call the show NIGHTWING and make it more of what it should be, a true action hero show with very little teenaged drama

brianj22 - 11/7/2009, 10:24 AM
http://www.gothamsite.com/

The Graysons was announced in '08, Smallville started in '01.

HarrisonBergeron - 11/7/2009, 1:31 PM
Harrison, it was announced in 08, but it was originally concieved before 01.

eiter way cw needs to go the JLA route not the greysons. id go with the greysons down the road. looks like cw is thinking since hes a teenager that he fits in with the cw crowd.
brianj22 - 11/8/2009, 5:00 PM

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