What Were SHIELD Really Doing In THE AVENGERS?

When it comes to CBMs, nothing can top Joss Whedon's The Avengers, and now that Phase 2 is in full swing we're starting to see what SHIELD were really up to back in Marvel's superhero ensemble. Hit the jump to check it out!

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By DEVLIN712 - 5/8/2014

SHIELD has fallen and after years of planning Hydra have emerged from the shadows and come into the light. But what have they been doing in the shadows all along? In hindsight, with all that has been said and done in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, let's take a look back at what SHIELD were really up to back in 2012.

Marvel have proved that anything goes in the Marvel Cinematic Universe after the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier's Hydra takeover. So, with that in mind, what was the Tesseract really being used for back in The Avengers?

 Check out the setting in this scene, it's filmed in a NASA facility and isn't your typical "green energy power station", is it? For example, I'm no physicist, but last time I checked, power stations don't need landing strips and arrival pads. If you didn't know better you'd almost think SHIELD were trying to pull someone through...

The placement of the Tesseract containment device almost looks as if it's been aimed/lined up with the pad... Next up, look at the portal that is opened, it looks a bit familiar...

Anyone else starting to see a trend appearing?

The Conclusion?

Well, my conclusion anyway. SHIELD had set up the Tesseract project to work on Fury's Phase 2 weapons, but Hydra had different intentions for the project. Hydra were attempting to use (without making it clear to Hawkeye) the Tesseract to pull their leader, Red Skull, back from the depths of deep space. Loki/Thanos flipped the switch from the other end and proved it worked, what if the Sentinel of Liberty's most formidable foe is already back?
What do you think? Am I hitting the mark with this one or would I be better suited to trying to build portals to other worlds? And regardless of the out come of this, is everyone's favorite Swede, Eric Selvig a member of Hydra? Take what you will from this editorial, at the end of the day I'm just a fan who likes to fanaticize. Sign off your thoughts on the matter below!

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0megaDaGod - 5/8/2014, 3:16 PM
DAYUM

Dope ass theory
DrDoom - 5/8/2014, 3:20 PM
This would actually be amazing.
McNyagano - 5/8/2014, 3:23 PM
Good theory:o Never thought of that!



;)
superherofan21 - 5/8/2014, 3:24 PM
Pretty good idea. Very plausible.
DrunkenNukem - 5/8/2014, 3:29 PM
that would be some serious twist

anything with portals always gets my attention
Maestro - 5/8/2014, 3:36 PM
Plausible. And it awesome that you thought of that. Nice!

The thought of selvig beign a hydra agent is chilling to me.
AlexanderLykins - 5/8/2014, 3:54 PM
Great theory!
BatManiac - 5/8/2014, 3:55 PM
Great theory DEVLIN! It's definitely a possibility. I liked Red Skull in The First Avenger, so I hope he returns. It would be great if Weaving returned to the role too.

StingyFox - 5/8/2014, 4:16 PM
They would be stupid not to bring back Red Skull. He is the face of Hydra.
sikwon - 5/8/2014, 4:17 PM
I have no doubt they were trying to find the Skull. I don't think Selvig is Hydra though. I also don't think the red Skull came through that portal but I have no doubt he'll be back. Great job.
AxeEffect - 5/8/2014, 4:18 PM
Hail Hydra ;)
TheAbaryMan369 - 5/8/2014, 4:23 PM
It would actually make sense that HYDRA wanted to bring back Skull with the Cube. Good theory.
SauronsBANE - 5/8/2014, 4:41 PM
Good theory, but I'm not too sure this was their endgame. Wouldn't bringing Red Skull back like that make it painfully obvious to everyone that SHIELD was infiltrated by HYDRA? I don't think they were ready to reveal that so soon, and especially if they weren't forced to (like with what happened in The Winter Soldier. Cap pretty much forced their hand).

I'm sure they were planning to use the Tesseract to power those weapons and twist it for their own purposes and all, but I don't think they were really aware of how to use the Tesseract as a portal. The reason it looks like it's lined up with that pad in The Avengers is simply to make Loki's arrival that much more dramatic. No logical reason in-story, just moviemaking 101.

I know Marvel plans ahead, but I doubt they were planning on things to THIS level. *shrugs* Just my thoughts, good theory though!
SidTheAstroSlut - 5/8/2014, 4:50 PM
You sir are a smart induvidual!


I would love to see Red Skull come back. Even without Weaving involved.
GliderMan - 5/8/2014, 4:52 PM
Um.... Nah.
batz11 - 5/8/2014, 4:58 PM
Who'd you steal this from? No way you could have come up with this brilliance on your own ;)
staypuffed - 5/8/2014, 5:00 PM
Good theory, DEV, but I gotta point something out.

"When it comes to CBMs, nothing can top Joss Whedon's The Avengers"

DEVLIN712 - 5/8/2014, 5:08 PM
@batz
Shhhhh you! I have smarts!

@staypuffed
TDK is the best film I've ever seen, Avengers is the best CBM
dougieisrollingthejays - 5/8/2014, 5:18 PM
@staypuffed TDK is a better movie, Avengers is a better CBM. That's not to say TDK isn't a good CBM, but it just didn't feel anything like a comic book movie should feel (Even though it was still an AWESOME movie, and the tone was the reason for it)
staypuffed - 5/8/2014, 5:36 PM
I hate to say it, but I think The Avengers is incredibly overrated. Maybe it's because I've seen quite a few times and have noticed all the flaws and stopped appreciating the jokes and being annoyed by Whedon's direction. The Dark Knight will always be king, CBM or otherwise.
Noobster - 5/8/2014, 6:16 PM
Erik had been working on a portal to the other end of space his whole life!! When coulson came to take away they're stuff he said " He's dealt with these kind of people before. it makes sense!!!
LehnsienJaw - 5/8/2014, 9:07 PM
this would be [frick]ing great!!
MightyZeus - 5/8/2014, 9:14 PM
Interesting theory.

This is amazing. I would love for Red Skull to return.
Ace101 - 5/8/2014, 9:31 PM
the reason the pad was like that was because loki designed it that way as he was in some control of selvig as you see at the end of thor and in the furys big week tie in
Orphix - 5/9/2014, 12:32 AM
^^^^This.

This is a Loki/Selvig/Other plan and not HYDRA.

Putting Fury, Hill and Coulson overseeing this plan if it was HYDRA would be risky.

However...I do believe the HYDRA infiltrated elements of SHIELD were pushing for 'Phase Two' in terms of using the Tesseract to create weapons. After all that's what HYDRA were originally all about back when Skull was leading them.
ruadh - 5/9/2014, 12:34 AM
Not a really new theory, but I think the first time I'd heard someone suggest Selvig may be Hydra. If that were true...man that guy has had a helluva time in these films. Can't he just go rest somewhere quiet?

While this makes sense, and can be enjoyably mindblowing...How would Hydra know where Red Skull went? Or that he went anywhere? Did the Tesseract have some kinda browser history they could check out?

If not, then they'd have no way of knowing what happened to Red Skull aside from him disappearing with the plane and Captain America after taking off. The Tesseract was recovered, but nothing else was. No one knew about Red Skull being shot off to parts unknown aside from the sole witness, and he was on ice until not that long before Avengers takes place. (I'm not sure at the moment of the exact timing of everything, but I believe if the comics are to be trusted, then Cap being discovered happened roughly the same week as Thor being in New Mexico? I'm sure there's better nerds here who can correct me.)

The only way it works is if Red Skull had somehow gotten word back to them on where he was, and how to get him back.

I would put it to you though, would they really want him back? Seems like Hydra never had it better than without him, and Zola, as loyal as he clearly always was to the organization, seemed to recognize that Red Skull was a bit nutty.
MrBatmor - 5/9/2014, 12:36 AM
Hydra [frick]ed shield in the as didn't it!!!

@dev good theory...
ruadh - 5/9/2014, 12:37 AM
Also, I forgot to add, but Fury and Hawkeye were clearly aware that this was a portal thingie, and not a clean energy thingie. So that it could open up and have someone appear didn't seem to be in any way a surprise. Who they were going for may be something Fury and the others were unaware of, and I have no idea who they WERE expecting, but Hawkeye's comments about doors opening from both sides etc...
DEVLIN712 - 5/9/2014, 1:25 AM
@ruadh
Good point, if Fury and Hawkeye new who knows what they were up to. Maybe it has something to do with the Kree in AoS?
H3LLBLAZER - 5/9/2014, 2:40 AM
@DEVLIN712

TDK is a CBM! Just because it was also a crime thriller, doesn't mean it was any less of a CBM. CATWS was a CBM, and a political thriller. But that doesn't diminish it from being a CBM also.

WarrenByron - 5/9/2014, 4:55 AM
Yeah, well... I think Red Skull is dead *grabs popcorn*
BaronZemo - 5/9/2014, 5:20 AM
Hey. Please, please, please, you have to tell me how you added that video. 'Cause i copy and paste the embed code from youtube but it doesn't work.
StaticShock86 - 5/9/2014, 6:32 AM
Hello everyone, been on cbm for awhile and decided to join. I don't think they were trying to find Red Skull because if you think about that scene when he was "teleported" the only one who knew at that time was Cap and he was frozen. The events of Loki coming back happen before Cap awakened.
DEVLIN712 - 5/9/2014, 7:39 AM
@BaronZemo
Under the Youtube video hit the Share button and then click on the Embed tab. That will give you the HTML code for the video. When you're making the article click on the Source button (allows you to view your article in HTML) and paste it in there
DEVLIN712 - 5/9/2014, 7:40 AM
@StaticShock
Good point, I guess that was before the dawn of SHIELD so not even they knew. For all the Howling Commandos knew Cap could have just killed the Skull
gmoney0505 - 5/9/2014, 8:58 AM
Great thought went into that. Red Skull was thrash in first movie. He did nothing but hide in a lab and ran away the entire movie. Not even Hugo Weaving could save that villain.

Even if yall dummies want to say TDK is not a comic book movie, (which is the most idiotic thing comic book readers say these days to make Avengers more than what it was) Avenger isn't even still the best cbm even in the MCU not even including fox first 2 x-men movies, first 2 spider-man movies, blade movies, hell not even the best superhero team movie which goes to Watchmen.

Avenger is a cool movie. It had one of the most basic stories, fight scenes were alright(would have been better if enemies did not just stand there waiting to get hit or were an actual threat entirely).

When Avengers have a worthwhile story to actually tell that is on par with villain motivations and actual fight scenes like in CA:TWS, then it will be considered at least the top movie in the MCU and not because 4 heroes grouped up in one movie.
Lhornbk - 5/9/2014, 9:56 AM
No, as others have pointed out, Shield and/or Hydra had no way of knowing what happened to Red Skull until they found Cap. So, at most they might have secretly hoped Red Skull might appear for the last few weeks of the project, but that's not why they started it. They probably just hoped to eventually take control of the Phase 2 weapons from Fury and the good Shield agents.
TheFirstAvenger97 - 5/9/2014, 12:04 PM
This is a pretty cool idea.
dethpillow - 5/9/2014, 11:54 PM
great article!! good stuff, good theory.

@ruadh - good point about Zola. If I was Zola, I'd be pretty worried about Red Skull coming back, actually. If Skull had any hint, or caught the slightest whiff of what Zola had done, I think he would rip him to pieces.

That's always been one of my favorite scenes to imagine is Red Skull coming back and tracking Zola down and confronting him that he knew, and taking this out on him. Maybe after first using Zola to get himself a new body or something.

I've always loved the stuff in the comics where we'd see Skull or the Third Reich obsessed with Asgardian artifacts and Norse mythology. I think once they might have even had a story where they enslaved Thor during World War II. Not sure, but I think that happened.

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