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"Predators" Movie Confirmed

We got the scoop back in January, but it is official now. Robert Rodriguez is doing a film called PREDATORS, which he's calling a reboot to the series.
The article mentions a script that Rodriguez wrote in the 90's that had the Predators abuct Dutch and pit him against other alien baddies. That sounds a bit like this really cheesy sci-fi flick I've been seeing on cable late at night called "Arena". Anywho, it should be some good entertainment. I'd say Vin Diesel would be a no-brainer to step into Dutch's big, generic tough guy boots.
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4/24/2009
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83 Comments

What?
Sounds blah.
Guess he has never read a Pred. Comic. Heck the ppl that wrote Pred vs Ali, need to learn some history.
Smolo - 4/24/2009, 7:39 AM
Have we learned nothing from Predator vs Alien movies? Leave it alone. Leave Aliens alone. Leave Predator alone. Just stop, I wonder what the hell movies will be like when I'm in my 60's are they just going to constantly reboot shit?

Just ****ing stop.
Stumblin - 4/24/2009, 7:44 AM
Another [frick]ing reboot. In a few years we will prob have a reboot the original Star Wars trilogy..mark my words!

Anyway, if they do it right ill watch it. But thats a big IF. And im afraid Vin Diesel is certainly not a no brainer for the role! Id rather have Jason Statham..and thats saying something
Rorschach01 - 4/24/2009, 7:57 AM
NO MORE REBOOTS... we need more Original material for things like this.
DeoD - 4/24/2009, 8:01 AM
No way to jason Statham. We need an actor over 5 feet tall.
Rober Rodruiguez i s a great director have faith in him.

I agree with you about the star wars...they will reboot that around the timethey reboot Wizard of Oz.

-sigh
Jojo Risin - 4/24/2009, 8:14 AM
I dont want Statham either, i just want Diesel even less! Also, i hate Rodriguez, i think hes a hack. The only movie i ever liked that he made was Sin City.
Rorschach01 - 4/24/2009, 8:33 AM
NO i dont see this as a movie that needs a reboot that is just bull shit and not needed.
tyko450 - 4/24/2009, 8:36 AM
if the AVP movies can be sort of standalones - and since Predator 2 had nothing to do with the first film - then why can't this movie just be seen as another Predator movie - it isn't a reboot necessarily if it's a different story with different actors.

And Rodriguez is a great director - he has good vision and I'm actually kind of stoked to see him do a Predator flick.
Keven - 4/24/2009, 8:43 AM
Statham wouldn't be so bad if he can only decide which accent he is going to try doing! He always has this blend of, well everything I guess! Really puts you off!
Howlett04 - 4/24/2009, 8:44 AM
I liked the ALIEN VS PREDATOR movies! ; ) Great action (popcorn flicks). As for a REBOOT???? Why?? If its a carry on from PREDATOR one!!! Okay go for it, but if its the same story with DUTCH, NOOOOOOOOO! Leave it alone! This like THE CROW and ROBOCOP never need to be Remade!!! Just make a great sequel and try to make it as good as the original and everyone will be happy!!! Here here, Tyko450!
LEEE777 - 4/24/2009, 8:46 AM
P.s. not VIN lol, im hoping to see him in the next RIDDICK movie oh an XXX3 ; ) heh heh
LEEE777 - 4/24/2009, 8:54 AM
I've said this before and I'll say it again-- there is no need to reboot the series! Each movie that the Predators are in basically stands alone so why bother with a reboot? None of the characters carry over. I'm all for another movie, but no reboot! Just call it "Predators." For the most part, we probably wouldn't even know that it's a reboot unless the re-tell the story with Dutch.

And as far as the lead role goes: (a) I F*ing HATE Jason Statham (not knocking you Rorschach, I know what you meant) and I don't see why this clown is the current leading action guy of this generation-- WHY? What are his credentials for this?!? (b) I heard over the past few years at different times that both The Rock and John Cena were considered for/considering the lead role. AND I heard recently that they both could end up in a movie together. I might like to see that. I'm not big on either of the two as wrestlers but surprisingly they make half-decent movies. Hell, throw Stone-Cold in there, too. Then Vince can have a 6-man tag at WM26: Austin, The Rock & Cena vs. 3 guys dressed as Predators. (Just kidding.)
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 9:12 AM
And as usual, LEEE777, I'm with you. (I say that a lot.)
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 9:13 AM
Why not a do a prequel in this??? Why a reboot???

In the 1st AVP movie they mentioned that the Predators had been coming here since before we started keeping records...

Well damnit, do a tie in to that... While it obviously would be false... Tie it in to the Mayan or Aztec civilizations or some crap...

Don't do a reboot... The original was fine, so was the 2nd & so are both AVP's & all the Alien movies...

Do a prequel or do a new Predator Movie after the fact... Do something other than a reboot... JMO.

Hell tie it into Apocalypto.. LOL... Right after the Europeans show up at the end, have Predators show up & blow em all away!!! LOL!!!! Hang em upside down & skinned, and then go back to the Temple & be worshiped... LOL...
Pumchavas28 - 4/24/2009, 9:15 AM
i think by reboot - Rodriguez isn't going to re-use characters from the first movie etc. He's just going to do another Pred flick that re-introduces these things. I think that since the movie is going to be called PredatorS and since it's coming out so long after the 2nd movie - then calling it Predator 3 would be stupid.

Have faith in this - I think it will be awesome. Rodriguez knows how to do action. This has all the makings of being a wicked movie, we're just so caught up in the whole 'remake' era that we don't have faith.

This won't be a true remake. I'd bet on it.
Keven - 4/24/2009, 9:27 AM
Pumchavas28,
I was having a discussion on here with sethasa about that exact same thing 2 weeks ago. (Well, no "Apocolypto" tie-in though.)
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 9:30 AM
Maybe ol' Arnie will be done with his political run by the time they're ready for this film. He can then come back as a retired military man who gets called back to deal with another predator on the loose. During the mission he could get abducted and taken to the predator homeworld for a final showdown! Yeah!
Deathlok - 4/24/2009, 9:35 AM
METALHEAD @ Im with ya dude!!!! :thumbs! I think HOLLYWOOD's just getting lazy! Oh yeah, how about a movie about the PREDATOR world!!! ? Of course it'll have to be set near where the ALIEN movies are set, like in the future, though i could deal with it, if its done in the present! Abduct option okay lol!
LEEE777 - 4/24/2009, 9:43 AM
WUT ABOUT TRIPLE HHH, THAT GUY LOOK LEIK tHOR.
TheJester - 4/24/2009, 9:45 AM
LEEE777, like I just said about the discussion I was having 2 weeks ago, that was actually a suggestion too. Maybe I'll copy/paste it on here.
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 9:46 AM
COPIED & PASTED FROM A TOPIC A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE WERE IN A THREAD REGARDING TERMINATORS AND SETHASA SUGGESTED HE'D LIKE TO SEE ALIENS vs. PREDATORS vs. DINOSAURS. HERE WAS MY RESPONSE:

Yeah, there definitely are tons of cool directions that they could go with the "Alien vs. Predator vs...." series. And yes, dinosaurs could add a really cool element. Maybe instead of "AVPVD" they could just have an "AVP"/"AVP:R" prequel set in prehistoric times.

I'd also like to see an "AVP" sequel that shows more backstory like with the Predators having the pyramids built and then (maybe in the movie's main plot) they would battle on the Predator planet which we saw briefly in "AVP:R."

I think another cool concept could be a movie that is actually 3 40-minute stories (this whole thing has not been completely thought out so bear with me). One in ancient times, one in present times on the Predator planet and maybe carrying over to a spaceship-- maybe even setting up the ship landing/crashing on the Alien planet for the next movie, and then one somewhere else-- maybe this one could be them fighting dinosaurs as well. They could call it something like "AVP: (one or two words that defines 2 species/races/families who have been enemies for a long time) Blood Feud, Blood Ties/Blood Lines/etc."-- something similar but way more over-the-top and less cheesy than those.

I'd also like to see just a Predator movie done like that. I'm with you as far as the thrill of the Predators being gone and that's why I'd like to see them dive into their backstory and lifestyle. One cool story could be, like you suggested, Predators hunting dinosaurs. Another could be set in the 1700's-1800's and would basically show the Predators hunting during that era, mildly referencing the gun that the Predator gave Danny Glover's character at the end of "Predator 2." (Not show the exact story of them getting that specific gun, necessarily, but you get what I'm saying.) And then for a 3rd story maybe another present-day story or something set in the future.

They could even do it bouncing back and forth-- maybe the dinosaur story would be shorter and would have no dialogue but as we'd pop back in and out of that story we'd see a Predator working towards the kill of one specific dinosaur, maybe killing a few tiny ones quickly like some raptors on the way, and then finally at the end of this story he battles a T-Rex. We'd bounce in, see him in a tree watching, maybe kill something, bounce around to the other stories, bounce back, see him tracking, bounce out, etc. And the point of this would be that the other 2 storylines would have humans and therefore would have the character development and human element that this story would not.

A title for this would be something like "Predator: Hunters of Time/Hunters of the Universe," etc., but again, something way better-- you see where I'm going.

For me, the reason I think that the "Predator" series still has a TON to offer is the fact that they've established that they've been hunting species for thousands and thousands of years so there's really nowhere that they can't go. They have SO MANY areas to go when thinking of directions to go with this.

And then we could dive into the whole concept that you suggested on them exploring the Aliens using different hosts. I personally haven't come up with any good ideas for that so I won't write just for the sake of writing but I agree with your idea.

There is actually a pretty cool comic book series I have which is set in the future: 'Alien vs. Predator vs. Terminator.' The cool thing about it was it was set on Earth where the machines and the Aliens were infesting the planet. Would this movie happen-- I seriously doubt it but the point is that the concept was cool how the Predators, Aliens and Terminators had basically made Earth a huge battleground, and of course, the remaining surviving humans were caught in the middle.

I guess the thing that sucks is that it'd be hard for any of these screenplays to sell given the fact that there would be little human element and the stories mainly make for good comic books, which is coincidentally where we can actually find many similar stories. It's too bad that making movies costs so much, otherwise these films could ALL be cranked out without the fear of losing money.

Personally I'd love to see a Predator hunting a T-800 in present-day (like Arnold in T1) but that movie would NEVER happen. Again, another story that would best be suited for a comic book.
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 9:52 AM
LEEE777,
Isn't it a funny coincidence how I re-wrote "Predator 2" on here yesterday, too?
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 9:58 AM
Leee, why can't a movie about the Predator World be done in present day or just not have the time period mentioned at all???

In the 2nd AVP, they show the Predator World for a brief momemnt... It looks futuristic, but they could just go off that & not mention what year it is...

;)
Pumchavas28 - 4/24/2009, 10:00 AM
I think "Arena" was a rip off of a short story, I think it was written by Fredrick Brown, called "Arena." The human race and an alien race were about to have a mass attack when a single man and a single alien were suddenly taken to a large dome. The environment was a desert-like area, supposed to be equally bad for both. The alien was a ball with wirey arms and claws. There was a force field in the middle. Through experimentation, they discovered that inanimate objects could cross the barrier, but not anything alive. The alien killed a few lizards and threw them through the barrier. They both worked on making ranged weapons from the stuff available. Then the man noticed that a lizard thrown across the barrier which appeared to be dead had woken up and was alive. He used a rock to knock himself out such that he fell across the barrier, and revived quickly enough to kill the alien.

Roddenberry admitted that he took the concept of that story when he did the Star Trek episode, "Arena" where Kirk fought the Gorn.

Is this thing going to be the same?
Local Man - 4/24/2009, 10:16 AM
Local Man,
You are absolutely correct. It is a short story that has been copied many times in many different forms. (My English teacher in high school was a huge sci-fi fan and had us read the story AND watch the Star Trek episode.) I know there's at least one more time that I've seen the story (maybe a Spider-Man or Fantastic 4 cartoon or something?) and I'm sure it has been done in tons of other places too.
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 10:20 AM
I'm actually pretty sure it was in the Fantastic 4 cartoon, now that I think about it.
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 10:23 AM
JASON STATHAM WOULD BE COOL, YOU GOT PREDATORS ALWAYS GOING AFTER THE BUFF GUYS BUT IT DOESNT TAKE MUSCLES PILED ON TO TAKE DOWN A PREDATOR, HEY THE GUY DID AN AWSOME JOB WITH SIN CITY, I SAY BRING IT ON.
GUNSMITH - 4/24/2009, 10:26 AM
I don't want to see a reboot, but for once I would like to see this be taken to out of space & see some origins of the Predator. Now that would ROCK!! I am ready for a new Predator but no prequell or reboot!!!!!
Spock - 4/24/2009, 10:34 AM
I AGREE. I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO SIT ON THIS A WHILE AND HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN WHAT RODRIGO IS UP TO. THE GUY'S GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES AND A PREDATOR FILM WOULD BE REALLY COOL FOR HIM TO TACKLE.

@ GUNSMITH -

ANNOYING ISN'T IT? HMMMM? ISN'T IT?!!?!??!?!?!?!HUH??!
Keven - 4/24/2009, 11:02 AM
WTF! What they hell is wrong with the movie business these days. God let this be a sequel and not a remake. Predator 1 and 2 are perfect. Make a third not another 1st
CorporalHicks - 4/24/2009, 1:13 PM
There is no reason to reboot, there are multiple preditors, and all pretymuch with the same goal...

Plus the first one was amazing, a reboot would only rase our expectations. Arnold is awesome as hell. I'd like to watch this one knowing that all of these events are happening in the same preditor timeline
Evil1991 - 4/24/2009, 1:50 PM
METALHEAD @ Cool!!! That would be sweet! An yeah, you re-wrote PREDATOR 2 yesterday lol! Id love to see a ALIENS VS TERMINATOR VS PREDATOR!!!! I bought the comic, but only read 2 issues, arrrrr gotta buy a trade paperback or something coz i remember missing out on issue 3 an i remember it being friggin' cool! (Fox don't have Terminator though, pity, an even if they did, it would be a long time in the making sadly). @ PUMCHAVAS28 @ Yeah it would be great if they did the PREDATOR home world movie! But it'll hav'ta have humans in it lol, i was just wondering how they would get there in our time, though being abducted is about the only answer to that one! But i would be F'ing Awesome!!! Maybe HOLLYWOOD will realise REBOOTS ain't the answer! Good story telling fantastic movies is!!! ; )
LEEE777 - 4/24/2009, 2:19 PM
Show us the Predators homeworld. That should be great for a film. Why they do what they do and exactly how long have they been doin it.
hewilldefytheirgravity - 4/24/2009, 2:36 PM
I'm sorry, but this sounds stupid already.

PredatorS???

Sounds like he's trying to copy what James Cameron did with Alien.

Having multiple predators doesn't make sense to me. The first two movies were about how just one of these nasties could kick multiple human butts. Having more than one ruins it. They need to go back to making it SCARY; like it was with the first movie.
Macksimus - 4/24/2009, 2:55 PM
No f*cking original ideas in Hollywood anymore. Reboot this, sequel for this, adapt that. Blah blah blah.
alten2345 - 4/24/2009, 3:04 PM
This could suck badly, or maybe we get lucky and it's worth a look. Let's get off the Dutch story though, is Danny Glover available? Hahahahhahhahahah

Rorschach01

I would love to see a Star Wars reboot... of the prequel trilogy! Get someone who hasn't sold their creative soul to Kenner or Burger King. Shit, the dude who did the first clone wars toon, the samuri jack dude, he could write it. His story was better than anything the prequels had to offer. Of course you'd have to kill George Lucas to get it going, which I will gladly do for points of total gross.
BillyBlack - 4/24/2009, 3:24 PM
sounds bad but i guess i should wait for pics or more news about it. but i do not see why they should restart it. the franchise is not a failure.
grif - 4/24/2009, 3:28 PM
I am not opposed to reboots per se, but sometimes its good to hold on to originals. Actually, if it were me, I would maintain the continuity of the original Schwartzeneggar Predator and pick up a "rebooted" franchise from there. Predator 2 had some potential, but was overly under budget (get my "Airplane" humor), and didn't have the vision to meet the original's mystique. Both of the AVP films were sadly two-dimensional and offered nothing that would appeal to connect to our sense of human archetype. No depth. Nothing redeeming or challenging in the story. A good script and a visionary director is the Colonel's special ingredients.

As far as a casting choice goes for Dutch, I have no flippin' clue! Bring in a new guy that might own that role.
Phinehas - 4/24/2009, 5:12 PM
Reboot??? Why not a sequel.

@BillyBlack. What the fo is wrong with you. They do not need a reboot of Star Wars. Both trilogies were awesome. The reason people didn't like the prequels was because they didn't understand the classical literary elements used in the trilogy. It had all of the elements of a classical tragedy and drama. It was one of the best movie series I've had the pleasure of seeing released in my lifetime. I felt it was a perfect series, it was dramatic, dark visualy stunning, and emotionaly touching.
THEHAWK - 4/24/2009, 5:23 PM
Jebus HAWK

Tell me you're kidding. I know dialogue isn't Lucas' strong suit, but saying it was horrid doesn't quite capture how bad it was. NO, and I do mean no, chemistry between the "romantic" leads. Incredibly poor acting, even by great actors like Natalie Portman. That's what you call piss poor direction. The laughable Frankenstein impersonation Vader did at the end of Ep III was a slap in the face to Mary Shelley. And if you're telling me Jar Jar Binks wasn't solely put in there to sell toys, I really don't know what to tell you. That doesn't even touch on the pathetic acting job the "kid Aniken" put out in Phantom Menace. Seriously, what cereal commercial did that kid fall out of? That kid couldn't play dead if Sayid shot him in the stomach. I could go on, but I won't. I'm sorry if you feel they were (vurp) awesome. But I must in good conscience disagree.

Does anyone else have an opinion on the matter?
BillyBlack - 4/24/2009, 5:40 PM
Vin Diesel? No, he's forty years old.

Predator > Alien
Minotauro - 4/24/2009, 5:53 PM
Well Billy I forgot about Jar Jar. But Myself, and most of the people I know shared my feelings. But hey it is all a matter of opinion, I enjoyed it I know a lot of others who did as well.
THEHAWK - 4/24/2009, 6:27 PM
true dat @THEHAWK i would rather a part 3 with little cameos by arnold and danny!
dellamorte1872 - 4/24/2009, 6:36 PM
And in their defense, Jar Jar was no more or less-- what's the term-- sexually disoriented? as C3P0 was.
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 7:01 PM
jason statham may not be the greatest actor, but i would take him over any wrestler any day, my god people are we really back to the lets cast wrestlers, if you want to see statham do good acting go watch snatch, that tops anything the rock or cena has done, and thats saying something because i generally like the rock's movies
Grizzly - 4/24/2009, 7:36 PM
Ah, excuse me Grizzly, did you actually see the first "Predator"? Pretty sure that guy in there with Arnold Schwarzenegger was Jesse "The Body" Ventura, who-- if I'm not mistaken WAS A WRESTLER! And Jason Statham is a HORRIBLE actor. He's a F***ing clown. I don't see why he lands these roles. He's not tough, he's not badass, he's not jacked-- why is he an action star?!? At least Arnold was a monster and he was the definition of the American Dream, Stallone was practically (if not literally) homeless when he wrote "Rocky" and at least Van Damme learned to throw some kicks. Jason Statham is a clown. Period. His success absolutely blows my mind.
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 8:26 PM
Wow. You guys are brutal! Your response are likened to that of someone speaking evil of you mothers. Or maybe someone taking a dump in your Cheerios. I do appreciate yout passion, but at the end of the day, ...just movies.

Here's a casting idea, and think about this in relation to Arnold's acting ability, and his campy one liners. I cringed at first thought of it, but reconsidered when I thought about how far he has come and has actually improved since he has been putting out films. Why not Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson? He actually may be able to sell Dutch(and I'm no fan in the slightest). If you asked me back when Skorpion King was released, I would have laughed directly in your respective faces myself. But I think he's had a lot of practice and has improved his timing and acting abilities substantially. I would say he's about where Schwartezeneggar was in '87 talent-wise, if not surpassed. And all you who scoff at the thought of wrestlers acting (again, I personally respect your hesitations), Arnold wasn't exactly found quoting Shakespeare in Times Square. He was a body builder from Austria.
Oh! And even though he had a supporting role, it was definitely one the best supporting roles by a wrestler I had ever seen. I agree with MetalHead, "you bunch of slack-jawed faggots". LOL "I ain't got time to bleed". Great lines from Jesse "The Body" Ventura as only he could have delivered.
Phinehas - 4/24/2009, 9:29 PM
@ Grizzly

I agree with you. I loved "The Rock" as a wrestler, and I think he makes bewtween a Decent/Good actor. Walking Tall [Remake starring the rock], The Rundown, and Gridiron Gang. Everything else he's starred in was decent. But the more movies, hes making he is "improving" and I've noticed this...hes not Hulk hogan, or john cena, hes a definate entertainer.

But Jason Statham in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, snatch, Italian Job, Revolver, and the Bank Job....I dont think any wrestler, and most C-listed or a few B-listed actors can really top that.

...But Jason Statham Vs Predator or "Predators"...Thats not doing anything for me. Predator would break him in half, the reason Predator 1 was so great was because ARNOLD was a decent actor, had onliners, and went on on one with predator BARE HANDS practically...and at the same time it was funny...and cool watching all that.

I dont think any Predator movie, will top ARNOLDs.
Unless they get Slyvester Stallone as Rambo to vs Predator ...uahaha. That would be interesting.
Aiiwolf - 4/24/2009, 9:59 PM
ya ive seen predator, and yes jesse ventura did a decent job, now what other movies has he been in... oh thats right no one cares, hes a one hit wonder, have you ever heard of a movie called snatch, statham isnt a tough guy in the movie, he doesnt spin kick ppl in the face, he just [frick]ing delivers a great performance, and while the stunts in his movies are off the wall(ill admit some of the stuff in transporter and almost everything in crank is ridiculous) he still can act, which is saying a lot more than john cena, i will give you the rock, imo he has built up to be a decent actor, im not saying statham is oscar nomination worthy, im stating he is better than any wrestler, that i can think of, that has acted in the recent past and can deliver strong performances in his movies, and i think the fact that we are on transporter 3 and crank 2 attest that at least some people think so as well(i dont see the marine 2 in the works) no he isnt homeless(what does that have to do with being an action star, i mean props to the guy for rising up from the gutter but i dont see what your getting at) and he might not be mr universe, but he delivers a lot more than one liners, although commando was prob the most terrific godawful movie ever made even if he cant keep his accent from going in and out
Grizzly - 4/24/2009, 10:03 PM
@ aiiwolf
my thoughts exactly on the rock
and as for statham going up against a predator...i dont really see it either, my whole thing was that statham is a better actor than wrestlers, i think there are plenty of better picks for a predator movie than wrestlers and statham, but i agree arnolds predator will always be a classic
Grizzly - 4/24/2009, 10:09 PM
If it were me, I would pick up the franchise as if the others had never been made. Make a loose reference to a small team of commandos in Central America twenty plus years ago much the same way Predator 2 did. Again, as I have stated in my previous post, P2 had potential but was under casted, under budgeted, and under directed. I would include simple elements they used in P2 and refresh them in a new story. I've never read the successive comics that came after these films, but I would use/steal some of the story building-blocks of the lesser films like only hunting in hot weather, and it is a rite of passage for younger "Predator" aliens. These are intrigueing concepts that were not lost on AVP or P2.

Post Script:
I edited this post after scanning back over some other posts and have found that there are people of the same mind as me. Please excuse me, I hadn't realized my input was already previously suggested by others.
Phinehas - 4/24/2009, 10:59 PM
I just wanted to say something in regards to my suggestions for wrestlers playing in movies:

I USED TO be a huge wrestling fan (10+ years ago). However, as big of a fan as I was, I still hated the thought of wrestlers staring in movies or TV shows, etc. And I'll also say that to this day, for the most part I still do. I HATED the whole "Scorpion King" thing. And from the few parts of "Doom" that I watched, I wasn't a fan of that, either. I also HATED The Rock as a wrestler. BUT, all that being said, the more movies and stuff that The Rock does, the more he's actually starting to grow on me. Do I think he's the greatest actor of all time? Of course not. But was Arnold? At least The Rock and John Cena have some badass credentials as opposed to Jason Statham. (And yes, I own "Snatch," and it was the one movie I could stomach him in. He was SOOOO lame in "The Italian Job.)
MetalHead - 4/24/2009, 11:14 PM
John Cena has "badass credentials" opposed to Jason Statham??? Seriously? I liked the Italian Job and Transporter 1. Statham's not going to win any prestigous awards any time soon, but Cena over him? No. Granted, Statham is two dimensional. But that is one more over Cena.
Phinehas - 4/24/2009, 11:57 PM
@ THE HAWK

If there's one thing I am a true believer in, it's that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You are free to agree, or disagree, with respect. The prequel trilogy was not without it's moments, I just see them and think what could've, and IMHO should've been. I'm glad you and your friends enjoyed the movies, I only wish they did for me what they do for you.

MetalHead

Jar Jar had all the sexual confusion and none of the charm of 3P0. Ever know someone who was a nice enough guy, but was a total douche that tried waay to hard? Yeah... that's Jar Jar.
BillyBlack - 4/25/2009, 12:03 AM
@MetalHead: I read your post above about having a movie with 3 separate stories. I think your onto something. I say make them 60 minutes each and do a Grindhouse thing. That would be incredible.
TheMyth - 4/25/2009, 12:04 AM
Myth,
Thanks. I would've suggested longer stories too but I figured that it would never happen so I was trying to keep it to something that they could do if they ever had the idea pop into their heads (or maybe just happened to be reading these comments???). Basically, I was meeting them half way. The problem with longer movies (no problem to me, though) is that obviously means more time spent, more money spent on effects, etc., etc., so I doubt the studios would do it, but you knew that.

There are so many directions they can go with the Predators. We've already seen them tracking a tough guy twice (and failing). The fact that they've been hunting for centuries gives the potential to explore so many different aspects of their existence. But a Predator story in the 1700's, for example, might not appeal to everyone and that's why I suggested a few stories in one movie. And we've seen the Predators enough now that we don't need to waste the time setting them up. And not only that, but with 3 stories in one film we could actually see one story where the Predator is actually victorious, which obviously wouldn't work well in a movie with only one Predator story.

Man, so many places to take this story. I hope so badly that they do it right so they can keep this franchise going again.

Phineas,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Jason Statham can't really do the vast majority of those things the effects in the movies show him to. As far as Cena goes, that guy is a beast. Like him or not, I've seen his workout regimines, seen what he does to get his size (you should see how much red meat he consumes on a daily basis-- it's insane) and he is ridiculously strong. If you ran into that guy when he was in a bad mood I'd fear for your arms being sore... from where they were making impact with your head after he ripped them from your body and started beating you with them. (I'm not saying that I want him to beat your ass-- don't take that the wrong way.) That guy probably can legitimately beat down 3-5 dudes himself, which YES, does give him "badass credentials." I really don't think anyone really has a good idea of just how strong he is.
MetalHead - 4/25/2009, 9:14 AM
@ metalhead
im right there with you on the wrestling and rick, 10 years ago i loved it, now its lame, and yes the scorpion king and doom werent all that great but i think he did the best with what he was given. also i am in no way saying that john cena, or any other wrestler for that matter isnt in amazing shape, and any one of them at any given second could rip my arms off and beat me to death with them...having said that yes he is a badass in that regard, however that doesnt make him a great actor, i stomached the marine, it was like an 80s action movie, over the top with him jumping out of every building as it blows up, i havent seen anything else hes done(has he done anything else) but i dont think that makes him a great actor, statham is a better actor, could cena kill statham, probably, would cena be a better person for a predator style movie, probably, but i wouldnt go so far as to say better all around actor, thats all im getting at.
Grizzly - 4/25/2009, 11:18 AM
@ metalhead
im right there with you on the wrestling and rick, 10 years ago i loved it, now its lame, and yes the scorpion king and doom werent all that great but i think he did the best with what he was given. also i am in no way saying that john cena, or any other wrestler for that matter isnt in amazing shape, and any one of them at any given second could rip my arms off and beat me to death with them...having said that yes he is a badass in that regard, however that doesnt make him a great actor, i stomached the marine, it was like an 80s action movie, over the top with him jumping out of every building as it blows up, i havent seen anything else hes done(has he done anything else) but i dont think that makes him a great actor, statham is a better actor, could cena kill statham, probably, would cena be a better person for a predator style movie, probably, but i wouldnt go so far as to say better all around actor, thats all im getting at.
Grizzly - 4/25/2009, 11:18 AM
Grizzly,
I think that you are in the mindset that I was in a few years ago. Then it just clicked in my mind one day that if they are just good at making '80's-type action movies where everything is blowing up, why not go with it? They're guys with a good look and who have at least (understatement) the acting ability that Arnold had in the '80s. I could actually imagine a pretty cool Predator story with The Rock & Cena. Will this movie be nominated for every-- or any-- award for best acting? Hell no. But will they look cool blowing stuff up? Hell yes. And believe me, this is something that has had to grow on me because for so long I thought that putting wrestlers in movies was just a cheesy marketing ploy to get the money of the wrestling audience into the box office. But I really do think that these 2 could actually pull it off. And there are a select few others who I feel that way about, too, but very few. I'm not saying to put Hogan in there cause THAT would be horrible. Try to just imagine in your mind a few scenes with Cena & The Rock in the jungle in full gear with all sorts of heavy artillery and I think you might be able to buy the idea. Again, it took me a while to bite.
MetalHead - 4/25/2009, 12:11 PM
I wouldn't be down for Cena but the Rock would be better than Vin.

You guys know with Rodriguez involved there is going to be a certain amount of cheeziness. It really is going to be 100% about the script for this. I can't get too excited yet. I would have been much happier to find out Alex Proyas was directing. Man, it would be great if he would take a crack at the Alien franchise.
MontyBorror - 4/25/2009, 2:08 PM
@ metalhead
man i see exactly where your coming from, i dont think the rock would be a bad choice, im just not sold on cena, to me the rock has put forth effort, hes quit wrestling and he is focusing on movies, and in doing this is becoming a better actor, i have no prob with wrestlers who do that, i just dont think doing wrestling and movies works, both are very demanding, like a musician juggling both, just doesnt work well, but ya they should make this 80s action style, i mean i dont think anyone ever watched a movie with arnold in it(besides perhaps the terminators, and maybe a select other few) and thought that as a whole it was a awesome movie, amazing action? of course, same goes for most statham movies, great action...ya, great movie overall... not always, if they cast the rock id be completely down, if they cast cena id prob rent it because its a predator movie and those have at the least some cool parts, but i think there are people out there who could do the part better than cena, rock, or statham, and im not talking about vin diesel, although pitch black and riddick i enjoyed a lot
Grizzly - 4/25/2009, 2:29 PM
@ The Myth

Totally on for the GrindHouse thing...primarily because back then theatres did do that...during intermissions. I think that be a sweet idea...for the predator movie.

@ Grizzly

I agree on everything youve said. I loved Commando. Rmr that? The 80s violence...the gore. Arnold cut this dudes arm off with a machette, in that movie pretty damn graphic lol
Aiiwolf - 4/25/2009, 2:41 PM
@ aiiwolf
couple of great drinking games to play, watch an arnold 80s movie and do a shot or take a drink for every one liner he says

or

watch a zombie movie, but before hand write down body parts on peices of paper (ie arm, leg, torso, head) then everyone pulls out a slip and drinks when that part gets shot haha, if you pull head ur good for about an hour, then some one in the movie will say "oh i get it, we have to shoot them in the head to kill them" and thats all she wrote for you haha

or

theres always the watch boondock saints and take a drink every time some one says [frick], works well too
Grizzly - 4/25/2009, 3:06 PM
Metalhead:
Yeah, well, I don't think eating large portions of red meat qualifies him over Statham. If the ability to ballon up into a giant tumor and beat up people were the qualifications that I WAS TALKING ABOUT, then yes, I would concede your point. But I've seen the Marine, and like Dwayne Johnson, he has several years to go to improve upon his craft of acting. Your extensive knowledge of Cena's (or previous other wrestlers) workout regime and enthusiasm about it is quite revealing. I suppose after some self-reflection you may realize that you may still be a fan of wrestling...or at least, an enthusiast.
The point I am/was trying to make was that Statham's films have been, by and large, superior to that of Cena's sad attempts. Eating large portions, lifting obscene amounts of weight, and an early death due to heart disease doesnt make anyone a better actor. Again, by trying to make this point, I am not saying that Statham is the cat's meow and has sold me into the mental slavery of fandom. I think I made that clear in my last post, but, ce la vie. He's just cinematically better than Cena.
Phinehas - 4/25/2009, 3:39 PM
Phineas,
That was the most lame argument that I have ever read. Pathetic. Leave it to someone who knows that his argument doesn't have a leg to stand on to try to make it sound like my argument is that he eats red meat and therefore he deserves the role.

And as far as knowing his workout regimine, I actually saw it on a program on the Discovery Channel or something like that.

Here's what you don't understand: the reason that Cena is a legitmate badass is because he could legitimately kick some ass. Put Statham in a room with a couple of guys and I guarantee you he doesn't walk out the door on his own. Same thing with Arnold back in the day. And I don't care whether you "concede" the point or not-- it's not a debate, you're wrong. John Cena IS a bad ass. Not on film, in real life. He can back it up. Jason Statham is just a clown who is the product of Hollywood. Cena is the real deal.

I knew you'd take the route of the red meat not being a reason to qualify him. I put that in there to try to educate those of you who might not know that and then a loser like you tries to ruin the credibility of the points by emphasising the part that has nothing to do with the debate.

Side note: as far as Statham being "cinematically better than Cena" goes... Statham apparantly takes any role that's offered to him. Cena has only done 2 films. We'll see if your statement holds true (if it is even true now) over the next few years.
MetalHead - 4/25/2009, 4:15 PM
@ Grizz-

Can you imagine the poor b@strd that gets "head shot" in a zombie drinking game? You would have to give that to the new guy at the table.

One thing we have forgot to mention, it could be similar to the plot of the first Predator in that there is more than one guy. The Rock may have the lead roll but there would be no reason why there couldn't be others as well.

In that case I'll let Cena be the Ventura of the reboot, as long as he dies horribly.
MontyBorror - 4/25/2009, 5:14 PM
I'm definitely tired of reboots (other than Incredible Hulk, that one needed revisited). The only Alien movie I didn't like was the 3rd installment. You never got a good look at the aliens. AVP was a good concept, but the predators were too bulky. More like barbarians than agile predators. The second AVP was a lot better, but the danged thing was filmed so dark, you could hardly see anything. Anywho, I'd love to see whatever movies they want to make with predators in it, but the original is a classic sci-fi/horror/action for a reason. There is absolutely no reason at all for a bastardized re-boot.
AltRockFan - 4/25/2009, 7:19 PM
Wo there are so many cool ideas...I have to hand it to metalhead for getting this started. I loved all of the ideas menitoned. The dinosaurs one if pretty interesting because it could have a twist ending. Of ocurse the whole thign wold have to be CGI. But basically the main character, the 'protagonist' could ba a Predator...and they are trying to save earth from an infestation of aliens...but fail...so they end up having to kill everything on Earth including the dinosaurs...We could have the movie open in an archaesologists lab or meuseum with a dinosaur discovery with an alien fossil and the kids would be all like 'what killed the dinosaurs mommy?' hehe.

Alos...just throwing this out there...Since fox already owns xmen/wolvering...why not a wolverine vs predator. I had those old Batman Vs Predator comic books from the early 90's and they kicked ass!

A terminator vs. alien vs. predator movie would be orgasmic in every way. Must be a trilogy. The 1st movie called 'Alien vs Predator vs Terminator', the 2nd one called 'Terminator vs Alien vs Predator' and then the oscar wining 'Predator vs Terminator vs Alien'.

Also, just an idea...Fox owns 'The X-Files'...it would be kinda cool to see Scully and Moulder investigating Aliens Vs Predator. haha.

Also..since Fox also owns Fantastic Four...maybe it owul dbe more appropriate for the fantastic four to deal with the aliens and predators...kinda up their alley. AvsPvsFF

Fox also owns 'League of Extraordinary gentlemen', 'Star Wars', 'Planet of the Apes', DieHard, & also The Highlander.

They will never do a Alien vs Predator vs Wolverine/FantasticFour/BatMan vsPlanet of the Apes, vs The HighLander, vs The X-Files, vs Darth Vader vs Dinosaurs vs The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vs The Terminator vs RoboCop vs Freddy vs Jason vs Iron Mike Tyson vs Voltron!

I just 'might' pay to see that.

As far as actors go... I think Jean Claud VanDam could potentially play a very effective 'dark and brooding' supporting character. The Rock would be too light hearted...Predator should maintain the 'horror movie' essence like the 1st two movies.
Whomever the actor, they need to have humility. 'Dutch' didnt start kicking ass until the very end...he was just barely able to survive. Vin Deisel would be all cocky and insist on getting som punches in on the predator early...It would be 'Pitch Black' all over again. Nah , no thx.
Its rare to find a wrestler who acts well.


Personally...I owuld like to see an Aliens Vs. Predators vs Night of the Living Dead. Or better yet...just call the movie "Predator Vs. ..." and that's it. The move could be the Predator hunting different things. Like 4 or 5 different things like, werewolves, vampires, Zombies, or Jason Vorhees...like the Predator has a check list of things that he hunts...until he meets his match of course at the end of the flick for whatever reason.
Jojo Risin - 4/25/2009, 11:29 PM
Mr. Jojo Risin,
WOW. Talk about taking my ideas to the next level. I really like pretty much everything you suggested. Now I have to admit that it was sethasa who suggested seeing AvPvDinosaurs in the original comments section where I originally posted that, although the ending of "Predator 2" showed a dinosaur skull in the ship. So yes, it had also crossed my mind before, but sethasa was the one who really brought it up. And I feel almost stupid for not thinking of the genius idea that was right in front of my face-- your suggestion that the Predators wiped out the dinosaurs in a similar way to how they took out all those Aliens in Egypt in "AVP." Since I read that idea I REALLY want to see that movie now. How awesome that would be. Great thinking.

And although you said it half-jokingly, I actually think that your X-Files idea is a really cool one. Now that I'm imagining it, what about a made-for-TV movie where they are investigating a specific crime scene and we would know that it was a Predator who was the culprit. Maybe they are following clues and evidence the entire show, and maybe the climax would be that a new piece of Predator history is revealed-- nothing major, just something cool to get you thinking-- as opposed to them fighting a Predator. Maybe we wouldn't ever really even see the Predator in it other than maybe a shot or two and we'd maybe see a few shots from his thermal view watching Scully & Molder, but at the end it decides not to kill them and they decide that this particular story will remain unsolved for now, kind of leaving it open-ended and also showing us that the Predator almost had a sense of respect for the two. Kind of a different take on the typical Predator stories. I think that could actually be really cool.

Predator vs. Wolverine... talk about a comic book fan's dream. Congratulations for thinking up that one. I never thought to cross a Predator with a Marvel character, mainly because they're always fighting DC (I have the 'Predator vs. Batman' and 'Predator vs. Superman' mini-serieses). That reminds me of the Wolverine vs. Punisher grapic novel "African Saga" from the 80's which (if you didn't know already) takes place in the jungle. Bad ass. Throw in a Predator and you've got the makings for a F'ing cool comic movie. Oh man. I gotta admit, you kinda pissed me off. If you didn't get me thinking about all this, I never would have imagined these awesome ideas that we'll never get to see! I wish I was a billionaire-- I'd make the movies that the fans would want.

"Predator VS." Another fun idea. The thing I like about both your and my ideas is that we're thinking outside the box, which with this particular character is must because, like I've said before, ALL of these things are possibilities since the Predators have supposedly existed for centuries and across time. And all of these ideas would allow us to see different aspects of the Predators and also see them in different types of movies, as opposed to just copies of the first one over and over. Wow, back to your movie. This one would be cool in that you could have a few (I'd stick with 3 just so it doesn't get too chaotic and I think I'd go vampires, werewolves and zombies) stories going, all with different tones. One could be straight-up slasher-- probably the zombie story. Then your typical hunting story-- how cool would it be watching one stalk a werewolf while in human form and waiting for the full moon for the battle, with little subtle hints that the moon is what the Predator is waiting for? And maybe the werewolf would actually be the protagonist in this story! And then you could go any number of ways with the vampire story. And the cool thing is that any time the Predator movies started to get stale they could throw something out like this and totally change the tone for a while to give it some freshness and keep the audience interested.

Awesome ideas. Keep them coming.
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 8:57 AM
Phineas,
Sorry for the harshness of my comments earlier. I realized after re-reading some of your posts that maybe I took some of your comments the wrong way-- and maybe not, but since we are on the same page on the majority of stuff (other than John Cena) I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. And also you did have some cool points so how about we stop talking John Cena and get back to the topic since we both had some pretty good ideas and John Cena isn't a topic that I care enough about to argue over anyway.
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 9:05 AM
who cares who is a badass or not in real life..it only matters how convincing they are on screen. personally i think they both suck, but Statham is capable of a decent performance(snatch), he just doesnt give them in his action movies! Cena is a godawful Wrestler. Hes not even properly trained. And he makes whoever hes in the ring with look sloppy too because of that. So as a casual wrestling fan i hate the bastard! I hear hes ok in his new movie though.

thehawk im with billyblack with the Star Wars prequels. They had there moments and the last one was approaching a decent movie but Lucas and his useless cast cant help sabotaging every scene that has potential. I honestly dont think i have ever been as dissapointed in a movie as when i walked out of The Phantom Plot..i actually thought it must have been a joke and the real movie would play afterwards! God im just thinking about certain scenes now and its making me angry! The Frankenstein walk, Mannequin Skywalkers little wet dream about his mother, JAR JAR, the dialogue that was so bad it almost made me dig my nails into my hand..i could go on. I think a lot of people refuse to admit how bad those movies were because they are such huge Star Wars fans. i was like that for a while too..but themn my anger out weighed my loyalty!

Predator was a good movie. Predator 2 was not. And im not even going to mention the AVP movies..oh i just did! Well they were [frick]ing abysmal.
Rorschach01 - 4/26/2009, 10:15 AM
Sorry Rorschach, gotta disagree on the "AVP" movies. You didn't like them, but that doesn't mean that they were bad. I thought they were awesome. They were exactly what I wanted. Does that mean that they can't or shouldn't go a different direction in the future? No. I think sometimes you have trouble just taking things for what they are. If you went into the theatre expecting the next coming of "Star Wars" or a bunch of Oscar-winning performances then I can see why you might have been disappointed. But if you went in hoping for an interesting concept of how the 2 would battle on Earth, a couple cool new pieces of Alien and Predator backstory and a bunch of meaningless violence then you would've been pleased. Basically they were comic books on film, which I enjoyed. I can see why some people didn't like them. But they weren't abysmal, they just weren't for you.

And as far as the Cena thing goes, this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. When I originally suggested it, it was (a) meant as a supporting role with The Rock, (b) not meant to sound like Cena is my favorite wrestler and (c) not meant to sound like Cena is my favorite actor of all time. I basically just saw him as a good version of Jesse "The Body" Ventura in the new film-- IF they even went the route of jungle warfare.

And as for Statham, he is too F'ing cheesy for me. I laugh at him. His stupid lines are so over the top. But the difference is that when Arnold had the cheesy lines it wasn't like that was what sold him, his monstrous physique was. The cheesy lines ("I eat Green Burrets for breakfast!") were meant for mild comic relief and weren't meant to make him seem badass, like the lines that Statham uses are meant to do.
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 10:32 AM
I keep forgetting to suggest this: depending on the route they go with this story, how about a bunch of unknowns? Sometimes that can turn out better. If it is strictly action, though, I'd still prefer a jacked guy who can legitimately crush some skulls. And can't we just stop crying for great actors in these movies? For Christ's sake, they're cheesy, machismo action movies, not Shakespeare works!
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 10:39 AM
Nah im pretty sure they were shit! lol, i know everyone has different taste but seriously! I wasnt expecting oscar winning performances, capable would have sufficed. I mean if Ridley Scott can deliver a bonafide masterpiece back in the fracking 70s then why cant these hacks get together a half decent movie? Too right i had high expectations, why shouldnt i? They were bringing together 2 iconic monsters from some amazing, some very good and some decent movies..only to deliver what? CRAP. Sure you got to see the 2 of them smacking the shit out of each other..is that all you wanted? Would a solid story and cast been too much to ask for too? Maybe my expectations and standards can be high sometimes..but i suggest that yours might be too low aswell!
Rorschach01 - 4/26/2009, 10:55 AM
No way. We're never gonna agree on this one. And me, of all people, doesn't have expectations that are too low. I'm the first one to rip any comic movie that doesn't live up to the feel of the comic book or that casts the wrong actor, etc. I just knew what we'd be getting. I wasn't expecting a "bonafide masterpiece."

To be fair to them, keep in mind that the appeal to each creature's first film was the new things each species brought. In "Predator" it was the cloaking and weapons technology. In "Alien" it was the way that the species reproduced. If not for those (at the time) new concepts then neither of the two would have had anything special to offer and they would've been just more space creature movies.

Sometimes just going with what you have already laid out for you is better than trying too hard to make a new twist and then F'ing up the truths that the previous movies had created (cough cough "Terminator 3" cough cough). Keep in mind, it was just a MONSTER MOVIE! It was today's version of "Wolfman vs. Frankenstein," etc., also "2 iconic monsters" and those movies aren't considered definitive horror/sci-fi movies either.

I liked them. Sometimes I just want an action movie with a basic and simple plot. Keep in mind that that was all "Predator" was too. If you make it a human with those weapons then it's just another Arnold/Stallone/Segal/Norris movie. The fact that it wasn't human-- a fact that only took all of under 10 minutes of film time to develop-- made it sci-fi action as opposed to just plain old action. Sometimes I want to watch a well-thought out and genius movie like "Seven." Sometimes I just wanna watch movies with stuff getting blown up like "Commando." They're both good movies. Just depends on what you're looking for at the moment.

I'm not asking this sarcastically, I'm asking literally: what would you have done differently as far as the plot goes? I understand you apparently weren't a fan of the casting and that's your thing a lot of the time. I personally didn't care about it one way or the other in this particular case but that's just differences in our opinion. But what would you have done that they didn't? Keep in mind the fact that they already had a set of rules that they had to work with so they were somewhat handicapped. And if they broke those rules, hardcore fans (myself included) would have been F'ing pissed that they altered a major part of one of or both of their stories. And also keep in mind that they need humans in order to have the human element that, without, is a guaranteed failure. Could it be done in the comics? Absolutely. But not in the movies in the sense that the company putting it out would never allow it. So they had to come up with a story that (a) stayed true to the truths of the originals, (b) factored in humans-- whether or not they should fit into the story, (c) somehow landed all 3 of these species on the same planet at the same time, (d) had some level of character development, (e) added a little bit of new information about the subjects, and (f) only had about 90 minutes to cram all of this into, among many other restrictions such as budget, etc. All that being said, I think they did a pretty decent job. Could they be better? Sure. Do I care? Not in this particular case. There was nothing I saw that was visually unappealing or annoying. While maybe there were some things that they could have done, on the other hand there was nothing they did that they shouldn't have done.

So as we often do, we'll agree to disagree. But seriously, here's a lesson that I learned a few years ago in life and it has seriously changed my perspective and made me enjoy many things that before I would not have been able to: don't expect perfection out of everything because you will be disappointed more often than not. Sometimes you just have to enjoy and appreciate things for what they are.
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 11:41 AM
I actually just thought of a perfect way to describe my view of it to you. I'll use (real) ECW to make my point.

You were a fan of the RVD/Jerry Lynn matches. Very technical, innovative, fast-paced, etc. But the thing about ECW was that they had different types of matches up and down the card-- ALL of which defined ECW. Now often times you'd have a card with a Guerrero/Malenko match-- some of the best technical matches of all time, and then also with a Raven/Sandman match-- some of the least-technical matches of all time. Does the fact that the Guerrero/Malenko matches were so technically flawless make the Raven/Sandman matches bad just because they were the opposite? Not at all. It just means that they were different. Some things in each of the matches appealed to all audiences, some appealed to only one audience, but both were good in their own right. That, to me, is the equivilent of comparing "Alien" to "AVP."
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 12:02 PM
Ok.... dammit! Now i have to jump in this conversation, I mean REALLY off topic...

You're right, Ror... Cena is NOT a tremendously good wrestler at all... and some are saying that he should try acting full time! The only thing thats saved him recently is the fact that Edge IS such a great wrestler, that it covers for him enough to not have the crowd screaming "F U Cena!" all throughout the matches.

Cena is a persona.... much like Hulk Hogan in the 80's. Now, don't get me wrong.... every once in a while he might pull a 5 star match out of his arshole (Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania a few years ago, although it can be argued that Shawn is just THAT good), but its his presence that really makes him a star.

That being said, he was actually pretty good in 12 Rounds. I think he might actually play pretty well in a movie that WWE isn't producing (notice, the Rock got better the farther he distanced himself from WWE productions). I can see Cena as some Arnold-like soldier getting dropped in the jungles with mickey Rourke (Rodriguez could get him, and he would be comparable to a Carl Weathers type character), Darius Mccrary (he married SuperHead, so he must die!) and some other random white guys! might be a pretty entertaining little flick.
version4 - 4/26/2009, 4:26 PM
and metalhead, I feel you on the Raven/Sandman matches... just shock factor all throughout. Thats not necessarily bad when it comes to movies... at least every once in a while.
version4 - 4/26/2009, 4:30 PM
Version4,
Here's the thing-- I personally don't even like John Cena as a wrestler (and nor do I like wrestling anymore for that matter!) but I do KIND OF like what I've seen so far from him in the movies as an ACTION STAR, NOT an actor. And I do have a lot of respect for him as a person and his work ethic. A lot of people are misunderstanding what I'm saying here. The acting credentials for someone to be an action star are significantly lower than someone who actually wants to be known specifically for their acting abilities. I also think that his in-ring abilities have absolutely nothing to do with how good he would or wouldn't be in a movie. All that being said, you actually seem to be one of the few who actually gets what I'm saying! I just wanna see some jacked dudes who look cool blowing sh!t up in these kind of movies, that's all.
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 4:55 PM
Why can't they make a Predator movies WITHOUT humans?
If Dark Horse can do it, so can they.
iNsaneMilesy - 4/26/2009, 5:13 PM
iNsaneMilesy,
I'm not gonna say that I wouldn't want that, but you have to understand how much of an investment a movie is for the studios and there is no way that a movie would ever be successful without any human element. Maybe we, the hardcore fans, would end up liking it (and even THAT is still just a maybe), but the general public would not. It's very easy for a comic book company to give the fans what they want because they don't need to try to please such a broad market. Movie studios have to try to appeal to a large market where comic book companies just have to appeal to their fans.
MetalHead - 4/26/2009, 6:16 PM
Yeah i take your point, ECW was a good analogy. But the thing is, i do sometimes enjoy a brainless action movie..but i want to know what im going to see so i can know if im in the mood for it! I mean il prob go see Crank 2 because the first one was a great laugh, but i didnt want just a brainless action movie from AVP. The real prob with these movies is really the people they get to direct them. Aliens didnt especially have a better plot that AVP, but Cameron knew how to get the most from the set pieces, his cast and was able to ring tension when he needed to. AVP didnt have that at all. Also, the first Alien is in a league of its own as far as any other Predator or Alien movies go. It wasnt an action movie it was a haunted house movie in space..with an amazing cast and a very simple but effective plot. The creature was not even that important, it was the characters that made it. Since that the movies have become something completely different, and that would be ok if they still put as much effort into making them the best they could. The first Predator was a balls out Sci Fi/action movie but even that still had time for some character development. You cared about those macho assholes! In the AVP movies i was rooting for the monsters! Maybe thats the whole point, but it really takes away any tension. I will say that the first AVP was not an awful movie, it had a few moments. But the 2nd one just didnt give a shit! I think that they should have followed the comics more..not even completely, just used certain elements..and hiring a decent cast would have helped!..although they were hindered by the rotton script..its a viscious circle, but it all straightens out with a director worth a damn
Rorschach01 - 4/27/2009, 4:00 AM
I'm not even gonna waste any time out of my life trying to say that "AVP" was anywhere close to as good as "Alien" because for what it was at the time and considering where effects were back then, it was groundbreaking (excellent sets too) and you're exactly right that the cast made that movie and that the Alien wasn't the most important part to the story's success. Cool point which I never stopped to actually think about where you said that it was a haunted house movie in space.

So I was doing some thinking and I realized why the "AVP" movies didn't piss me off. If the writers of the new "Terminator" trilogy write a horrible story and/or F up the entire timeline then the story of John Connor, the Resistance and Skynet cannot be re-told once it is done. And due to the events of the first films we already know a good portion of where the story should be headed. When the writers of the "X-Men" trilogy took tons of liberties and therefore completely changed things like Cyclops's death, the Phoenix Saga being completely inaccurate to the comics, etc., the reason I was annoyed is because there isn't a way for a second chance to re-tell those stories correctly without a reboot. But here is where the "AVP" movies and for the most part, the "Predator" movies are different: each movie with a Predator in it is its own story. The closest thing to any continuity between characters (with those characters only being a few specific Aliens and Predators) in any movie with a Predator is "AVP" to "AVP:R." That being said, they could easily continue the series anywhere else in time and anywhere else in the galaxy and because the main characters aren't specific humans, Aliens or Predators, it wouldn't need to include anyone from the first films but could still exist in the same universe, basically just showing us another chapter in the war between the 2 specie. So they still have the door open to make, for example, the movie that you want because there was nothing done in them to either (a) close the door on the potential of the 2 meeting again in the future or (b) tell the story in the sense that it was the first time that the 2 had ever met. The fact of the matter is that they did just the opposite-- not only did they tell us that the 2 had been battling for thousands of years, they also implied that there was no reason that they wouldn't battle again, leaving ENDLESS possibilities of where their next battle could take place. But once the writers of "X-Men" went the route they did with the Phoenix story, it killed any possibility for us to see it correctly.

In a nutshell, there is still the possibility for the next "AVP" (if it ever does get confirmed) to go in a totally different direction-- whether or not it happens is yet to be seen, but the point is that at least it's possible. But I'm not trying to say that in defense of the first 2 for anyone who didn't like them, I'm just saying that the potential is still there. As for me-- I'll be happy either way.
MetalHead - 4/27/2009, 7:54 AM

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