Lucas Till On Havok In X-Men: First Class

I'm depressed that I'm now actually looking forward to this movie lol.

I felt the same way as you did Lee but I don't know, I guess a mixture of the trailer and curiosity have gotten the best of me lol

Since when Angel Salvadore has become a fan favourite?

I may have lost something on the road but... don't people hate her? I for myself could've done without her even in the comics

bleah

ScarletVendetta @ Yeah, its a known fact Angel Salvadore is universally hated! :)

And well put @Ror.

I'm sorry but nothing is more solid than Wolverine, I want to see this in an X-Men movie.

@marvel, it's more so because it's obvious you were not going to like this movie, no matter what happened in that trailer. The double standards that are used to judge this movie compared to Marvel movies are humorous. If you just don't like the character lineup, so be it. But your frustration over the lack of characters has led to some other pretty amazing criticisms.

this movie: Daredevil bad. Elektra will seem like fine art. Howard the Duck will get more dvd sales....

I especially enjoy when people talk about Fox Studios having no idea what they are doing when it comes to film making, marketing, etc. and Marvel really gets it. Meanwhile, Fox has about 10 best picture Oscars and countless nominations (2 this past year), and Marvel has made 3 movies.

Different universe, different universe, different universe. AoA, AoX, Earth X, Ruins, etc., They're all different, and so is the movieverse. It's not my favorite "verse" out there but I'm ok with it. Hell, in AoA Cyclops and Havok were bad guys!!! That seems way worse than changing their relationship so as to allow Havok to be in the film.

While I agree with Ror that one should have 'legit and valid reasons' for disliking it, I think that lack of a character you like is sure as heck a legit reason for not liking it.

I think Lord of the Rings was very well made, but not so well written because of what they did to essential qualities about some of the characters. I'm a purist and an artist, I like to see things the way they are. That's not a 'fanboy' response. That's the same response as a 70 year old English professor I had who isn't anything near a fanboy.

In the same way, I think its fair to say, I think its totally legit that someone bases their opinion on a movie based on the characters. I like Marvel more than DC because I like their characters better, if I didn't like the new Venom magazine because Flash Thompson is wearing the suit, its because I like Eddie Brock better, and there's nothing wrong with that. Same thing, I don't think I'm gonna like this movie because it says it is first class, but it is not first class.

I'd say the same thing if someone re-did changed a major character in a David Copperfield movie.

@teabag yeah, that is a legit fail. They shouldn't have picked that name.

I get on these forums daily. I read the comments and I know the gripes, but I cant fathom why the hate? I'm an AVID collector of Marvel Comics. I know the stories, I know the histories and I respect the genre. We can quiz each other all day on it.

What I know from the comics is that every single writer gets on board and tries to take the characters into different areas and experiment. Its the essence of the character that must stay the same. Havok will be connected to Scott. Heck, even in the comics, they made reference to them being a part of a bigger scheme (Sinister). Its possible to have them just be test tube relatives that will share a connection to the Sinister love of Summer blood corruption. (There is even a storyline suggesting Gambit was related to Sinister created Summer brothers). I know the characters aren't the "First Class" from the comics but the only thing they share in common is the name. Vaughn has stated this is not the First Class from the comics. This is a different take on the characters. The cartoons from the 90's had a different line-up, the original 60's comics had a different lineup, Giant size X-men introduced a different lineup, Age of Apocolaypse, The new X-Men cartoon and Fox's version.

Every decade we get a new line-up and a new story and so on. All I know is that the last time I seen Havok in a tv show/movie it was a horrible ABC show and his character was wack. I'll take ANYTHING over nothing and I'm just glad these movies are being made .

As a film fan, I think this film is shaping up to be a belter. I haven't seen the trailer but from the stills and posters I've seen, it looks like they're putting quite a bit of effort into it. I couldn't give a rats arse what mutants are and are not in it, I'm more looking forward to seeing how the relationship between Charles and Erik disintegrates to the point that they become enemies.

@Alcoholica

Not to mention the fact that in Ultimate universe, Cyclops died a VERY undignified death when compared to his movie counterpart.

@SeaSerp, you're missing the point, we're not saying because it's an alternate universe that it is a better film, just that it's a reasoning we have for not getting hung up on the whole "real first class" lineup. There are other factors that determine a movie's quality.

Well, I guess the release day will be the end all/be all. If it sucks it sucks, and if it doesn't it doesn't. Still wouldn't mind Marvel having the X-Men, just so we could see some crazy crossovers.

@ MovieTheaterLad I never got around to reading the Ultimate stuff. I did read ABOUT it though and found out that pretty much all the X-Men die, lol. I'll have to check it out.

@teabag, Thanks. @dfresh, You're right, but I was being a bit sarcastic, it might be a good movie but I just don't plan on seeing it as of now.

My personal opinion:

didn't think they should have made banshee american, but that's really my only beef with it so far. im not even mad about the so called continuity changes, because i see the x-men film universe as a separate universe from the comicbooks, like ultimate vs uncanny, etc.

im actually glad this has nothing to do with the 'first class' series, because that was pretty terrible if you ask me.... sure, id like to see a movie with the original crew, but that cant happen because of how they introduced drake and worthington as teens, jean and scott as adults, and hank as somebody much older in the trilogy.

as for havok as scott's (not) brother, im curious to see what they do, not entirely happy about the fact the the continuity is completely off in that respect, but i really dont think it could be helped. i really just want to see what they do with alex summers as a character, i can see him becoming a big hit amongst non-readers (what with having the most BAMF power alongside azazel in this movie, pun intended)

my prediction: the haters who have set out to hate it from the start will say they hate it no matter what, a good majority will like it though, and overall, i think it'll be pretty damn good. probably the best x-men film till date.

but of course, only time will tell

I don't really think the "first class" name is that big a deal. Weren't cyclops and jean xaviers first students? It looks to me like this is going to be before xavier even has students, or a school for that matter. So this is like a pre-xmen movie. Wasn't xavier in a wheelchair in the actual first class? i believe so. So obviously this is before the comics first class.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with everything about this movie either. I'm also pissed about banshee not being Irish, I think Angel Salvadore IS a pretty silly character to use, and the Havok/Cyclops thing is also a big issue. BUT they are not effecting my over all judgement of the film, primarily because I haven't even seen it yet! And also because that was a damn good trailer.

I don't see anyone complaining about Captain America being on the original Avengers team in that movie. He wasn't an original Avenger in the comics, so why isn't that a slap in the face?

double standards, gotta love 'em.

am i upset that this movie is so wacked out of the normal story line of the comic yes, but if you look at comics most of them go in a million diff ways you have no clue whats going on, with all these perilla universes, so if you take this movie like that then maybe you will be ok, just dont think of 616, but i think the real 1st class would have been so [frick]ing sweet.

@ Multiple peeps who use the "That's like having the Avengers without x, y, z" or "Justice League without..." argument.

It's nothing like that. We had 3 movies with the title "X-Men" that included the main characters. They did it. It's done. They then decided to create a story about the mutant world well before the team formed. A unique concept unto themselves, not based on a particular written book. They happened to use the title First Class because they liked the sound of it. That's all this is.

dfresh@ Sure it's like that. If they were to go back and do a Justice League origin, prequel movie after putting out three films it still doesn't mean I want them to leave out Superman, Wonder Woman or Batman. This is suppose to be an origin/prequel movie, so it should be about the members of the X-Men that we have seen already only when they are young. Throw in some new secondary members to keep things fresh, but being this is the teen version, that in and of itself should keep it new and fresh even though we have seen them in three other films. To each their own.