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Alan Moore Responds To Frank Miller's Anti Occupy Wall Street Remarks

Click to hear what one legendary comic writer thinks of another's recent remarks on the Occupy Wall Street movement. This is very interesting stuff..

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By Mark "RorMachine" Cassidy - 12/2/2011
I have really been hoping to hear from Moore on Miller's recent remarks as both men are right up there among my favorite writers despite always shaving very different styles and takes on certain characters. So it's probably not surprising that they also differ vastly in their opinions on what went down at Occupy Wall Street. Honest Publishing has been running a series of in depth interviews with Moore which cover a great number of subjects. Below is the relevant excerpts on Miller and OWS..



“Well, Frank Miller is someone whose work I’ve barely looked at for the past twenty years. I thought the Sin City stuff was unreconstructed misogyny, 300 appeared to be wildly ahistoric, homophobic and just completely misguided. I think that there has probably been a rather unpleasant sensibility apparent in Frank Miller’s work for quite a long time. Since I don’t have anything to do with the comics industry, I don’t have anything to do with the people in it. I heard about the latest outpourings regarding the Occupy movement. It’s about what I’d expect from him. It’s always seemed to me that the majority of the comics field, if you had to place them politically, you’d have to say centre-right. That would be as far towards the liberal end of the spectrum as they would go. I’ve never been in any way, I don’t even know if I’m centre-left. I’ve been outspoken about that since the beginning of my career. So yes I think it would be fair to say that me and Frank Miller have diametrically opposing views upon all sorts of things, but certainly upon the Occupy movement.

“As far as I can see, the Occupy movement is just ordinary people reclaiming rights which should always have been theirs. I can’t think of any reason why as a population we should be expected to stand by and see a gross reduction in the living standards of ourselves and our kids, possibly for generations, when the people who have got us into this have been rewarded for it; they’ve certainly not been punished in any way because they’re too big to fail. I think that the Occupy movement is, in one sense, the public saying that they should be the ones to decide who’s too big to fail. It’s a completely justified howl of moral outrage and it seems to be handled in a very intelligent, non-violent way, which is probably another reason why Frank Miller would be less than pleased with it. I’m sure if it had been a bunch of young, sociopathic vigilantes with Batman make-up on their faces, he’d be more in favour of it. We would definitely have to agree to differ on that one.”


Well. Some very strong opinions, and we wouldn't expect any less from Mr Moore. Thoughts?



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invalensname5 - 12/2/2011, 4:16 PM
Alan Moore is a very intelligent man, and I agree with what he says here. I enjoyed the Miller works he cites... but Moore is right in his analysis of his work. Frank Miller, to me, is a joke since that God-damned Batmman nonsense.
Deadshot - 12/2/2011, 4:39 PM
Yes!! Alan Moore puts that idiot Miller in his place, when 1 percent of a country controls 43 of the entire wealth things have got to change.
Ryden - 12/2/2011, 4:46 PM
Exactly! Moore knows what he's talking about, Frank doesn't. What's amazing about the Occupy movement is that it's actually not politically left OR right, it's for everyone. Everyone's been [frick]ed over by the governmemts of the world, the banks etc, it's only IDIOTS like Frank Miller who thinks there's something wrong with people fighting back against oppression.

And he's giving those on the right a bad name, because he's clearly far, far right. He's a homophobic, bigoted asshole, and TBH I never really did like his work.


MOORE > MILLER in EVERY department.
Denn1s - 12/2/2011, 4:48 PM
ouch...he is right but i still love miller's work. i don't really care for his political opinions...
grnkronic20 - 12/2/2011, 4:50 PM
ETHERED
valeriesghost - 12/2/2011, 4:50 PM
i agree with Moore. Miller hasn't been interesting in a long time. 300 was okay, but it wasn't that wonderful. I enjoyed the movie though. i also agree with him politically as well. We are all entitled to our opinion.
juggy4711 - 12/2/2011, 4:55 PM
Adam Corolla nailed what the occupy folks are really.

I wish I was surprised to find so many children and commies on this site nor am I surprised to find Moore comments in sympathy.
evil40 - 12/2/2011, 4:57 PM
Jeezzzus! Its freddy krugger and charles mansion!
ironpool007 - 12/2/2011, 4:59 PM
I agree with Moore on the Occupy Wall Street movement. His criticisms of Millr's work are just very douchey things of him to say. It would be enough to just say he does not like Miller's work. Taking it to that level just reminds of how much I hate him as a person, even though I love Watchmen and V for Vendetta. This guy is one of the most out of touch human beings out there. He lives completely in a bubble. I think I read he does not even own a tv.
Professor - 12/2/2011, 5:00 PM
Even in his "attacks" on Frank Miller, Alan Moore is much more eloquent and has apparently put much more thought and intelligence into his response than Miller put into his rant. Perhaps if Miller had not come across as such an angry @$$ then I might have taken his attack a bit more seriously.
RorMachine - 12/2/2011, 5:02 PM
Personally I don't like either of them..for very different reasons though. But I love both of their work.
RaleighAntrobus - 12/2/2011, 5:04 PM
Say what you will but "Watchmen" >>>>> Frank Miller's entire catalogue past, present, and future.
ckal - 12/2/2011, 5:04 PM
SOCIALISM!

So says Alan Moore.
ckal - 12/2/2011, 5:09 PM
Moore does say some funny things about Miller, but how the "Occupy" movement is in any way "intelligent," he is just plain wrong.

There's nothing intelligent about a bunch of un-employed people sitting around all day.

Apparently these people didn't hear that the unemployment rate dropped to 8.6% as of today, 1.5% lower than October 2009, the lowest rate since March of 2009, and lower than the 9% from last month. Businesses also added another 120,000 jobs in November, above what was expected.

Get a job, bums.

source: http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/02/news/economy/jobs_report_unemployment/index.htm?
13echo - 12/2/2011, 5:11 PM
Wow two of my fav writers going at it about politics (something else I tend to pay a lot of attention to) this is almost as good as the books that they write. (Lot cheaper to) This round goes to Alan "the machine" Moore. I can't wait to see what happens next!!!
nuck82 - 12/2/2011, 5:17 PM
lol would you really expect anything else from moore? with out reading that i could have told you all of what he said, but i would have added the he talk about killing chickens and using there blood to draw ; )
signothetimez - 12/2/2011, 5:22 PM
I agree 100% with Alan Moore and as much as I loved Frank Miller's early work, he really came across as a d!ck calling the Occupy movement losers. Moore is right in every aspect and I respect him and how he refuses to sell out like many comic writers.

That being said, I still thing the V For Vendetta film was awesome, despite its flaws. Also, I will never forgive Miller for "All Star Batman and Robin" and that stupid "I'mm the goddamn Batman" crap. Also does Moore even work on comics anymore? Neither of these guys have had a hit since the 90s.
daveB - 12/2/2011, 5:23 PM
Moore is an idiot. While millers work may appear to be misogony OWS crowd are selfish ingrates who nether appreciate that freedom is not free nor is it a hand out.
Moore and the OWS crowd should live in China or N Korea for about ten minutes.
KaneVonDoom - 12/2/2011, 5:32 PM
If you really think the Occupy movement only consists of unemployed people, you are severely misguided. Freedom isn't free and that's why they are doing what they are doing. Exercising their rights and freedoms while they still have them.

And since when has getting a job cured Corruption?...

The GAO audit recently revealed 16.1 Trillion dollars in Secret (near no interest) "bailouts" to Banks on top of the already known bailouts... That directly steals from everyone's pocket and jeopardizes you quality of life whether or not you agree with what certain protestors may do.
KaneVonDoom - 12/2/2011, 5:35 PM
*Your quality of life.....We really need an edit button back
venkman9993592 - 12/2/2011, 5:37 PM
daaaaaaaamn alan more!!! you killed ffrank miller with that batman comment
KaneVonDoom - 12/2/2011, 5:41 PM
Conservatism is not the problem. Ignorance on the other hand.
Ryden - 12/2/2011, 5:41 PM
juggy4711- Commies? Seriously what is the 1950's?

ckal- "Get a job, bums" How about you get a clue? It might help. What a ridiculously ignorant statement, I think it's shameful the attitude of people like you, who just decide to take it up the ass from governments and banks. Typical right-wing radicals though right? Let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, oh and if anyone's ill and poor just let them die, because that's totally moral.

I'm amazed at the opinions of some people on this site, as well as in America in general. It's like you guys have been spoon-fed this right-wing bullshit for so long that you just eat it up without a second thought.

America is a weird country, there's no such thing as news there, it's all just one story from different opinions rather than just facts. Plus everyone in the media seems to wear their hearts on their sleeves and get over-dramatic about [frick]ing everything.

If you don't support the Occupy movement, then fine, go cry about how your 'America' is slipping away like that tool Glen Beck or something.
daveB - 12/2/2011, 5:43 PM
Intruder, sure if we can get the rest of the world to fund our banks by being anonymous we could be just like the Swiss. I grew up in Europe, and lived in several parts of the world over the years. No place like the US. Most of the "1%" are NEW WEALTH, meaning they got a job, worked hard and earned it.
Most the OWS people are lazy (as demonstrated by the job recruitments tables set up and IGNORED by OWS ingrates).
Frank Miller nailed it about the OWS crowd. No ands, if or buts.
SuspenseSmith - 12/2/2011, 5:43 PM
Center right? really? Not Marvel for sure. Gay Colossus, black Spider-Man, killing Captain America, making fun of tea party... Marvel is definitely more progressive than conservative.

Maybe he's talking about DC, or just maybe about Miller. Never thought of Miller as a conservative at all.

I agree with the message of Occupy, but not the way that they're doing it. The richest people in the country need to learn how to spend that stuff and get that money back into circulation instead of just sitting on it like a bunch of cowardly shut ins. They also need to stop evading taxes.
KaneVonDoom - 12/2/2011, 5:47 PM
Don't feed the Left-Right Paradigm bullshit... And if you are against Communism or Socialism, direct your focus on the Elitist socialism happening in the top tiers of Government, Banks and Corporations. Just because its Billions or Trillions of dollars at a time rather than food stamps does not make it any less of a welfare program.

Because it's definitely not true Capitalism
Godzillafart - 12/2/2011, 5:50 PM
Moore is right. Through Miller's entire career, including the Dark Knight stuff, which was very Left Wing, his political statements were always incredibly simplistic. Frankly (no pun intended) he should leave politics out of his work and his public discourse...unless he likes looking stupid.
SuspenseSmith - 12/2/2011, 5:51 PM
The richest man in American History, Andrew Carnegie, was also the best example of the most wealthy. Check out a few quotes:
“Surplus wealth is a sacred trust which its possessor is bound to administer in his lifetime for the good of the community.”

“The man who dies rich dies disgraced”

“No man can become rich without himself enriching others”

This guy, with inflation in mind, was far more wealthy than all the billionaires combined today. Yet he also gave a lot back.

Anyways. Moore is better than Miller I think.
Godzillafart - 12/2/2011, 5:54 PM
As much as I hate to agree with Scorpion8125, I do. ..Although Moore is not a tool, he makes valid points about the outrage people feel...but...

The movement should be "Occupy K Street". The problem is the lobbies and their influence on congress.
headlopper - 12/2/2011, 5:54 PM
The irony in Moore's comments about OWS is that he is a working tax payer and probably wealthy, supporting those who are protesting the very wealth he's earned and enjoys.

It seems to me like a parent telling their kids not to smoke while having a cigarette in their own hand.

Both men are entitled to their opinions, but at least make sure you don't sound self-contradictory in doing so.
kevberg - 12/2/2011, 5:59 PM
...and it doesn't have anything to do with his Guy faulkes/ V for Vendetta mask BS the occupiers us.

Millers work has nothing to do with the OWS stuff. It showed courage by Miller to stand up and not let it go unchallenged.


Guys Like Miller and Adam Carolla actually say what needs to be said.

Miller was also pointing out how total off the rails we've gotten by ignoring the radical islamic forces building in places that are "supposed" to be liberated...like Egypt and Libya which actually got rid of dictators only to be now being moved towards Islamic extremists like the muslim brotherhood. Basically eliminating one evil rule to be replaced by a even worse one.

Moore is a shortsighted fool if he believes that the OWS protesters are just spontaneous peoples with no organization or truly alturistic intentions.
ckal - 12/2/2011, 6:02 PM
Intruder- I'm not quite following your response. I commented just on the unemployment issue. About the other aspects...there's nothing wrong with people being unhappy about what's happening in the financial world of our country, or speaking out about it. But standing around with no real goal or outcome in mind is not going to change anything. I'll comment more about it in my response to KaneVonDoom.

About your post on the popular vote....I agree 100%. The popular vote is the only vote that should matter, and the electoral vote is just a massively obviously representation of a far outdated and useless system which politicians attempt to take advantage of.


KaneVonDoom- I'm well aware all the 'occupiers' aren't unemployed, but I'm more interested in the rest of your post.

"Exercising their rights and freedoms while they still have them." --What do you think is about to happen to our rights?

More people working obviously helps heal the economy.

I'm interested to see where this 16.1 trillion is coming from, as the US GDP for 2010 was $14.6 trillion (for some reason I couldn't find any number totals for 2011 aside from the US GDP has grown this year, and 2% in the third quarter).

But aside from that...do you think it better that the govt just allow all business to fail? What effect do you think that would have on our economy? Neither of us have any idea how hard it is to run a country except from what we see on the outside, but preserving and growing a democracy and capitalist economy must undoubtedly come with hard decisions that cannot possibly be positive for everyone all the time.

It's not like communism and wealth equality for all works any better, or even nearly as good. Just ask any of the current or past communist countries....they'll paint a pretty stark picture for you.
SageMode - 12/2/2011, 6:03 PM
KaneVonDoom - 12/2/2011, 6:06 PM
@Kevberg... I always appreciate your point of view even though we disagree on some topics (this being one of them) because you actually have knowledge instead of just parroting Fox.
SuspenseSmith - 12/2/2011, 6:09 PM
@0SageMode0

That was like... four years ago. GTFOver it. Bush sure did screw up the nation, but Obama sure has hell didn't make it any better.
SuspenseSmith - 12/2/2011, 6:10 PM
Both parties suck.
SageMode - 12/2/2011, 6:13 PM
KaneVonDoom - 12/2/2011, 6:15 PM
A Couple decent articles regarding the Freedoms we are Losing.... Just think about what these things mean to you. I won't push my opinion.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/senate-military-detention/
SageMode - 12/2/2011, 6:17 PM
SuspenseSmith: Obama mustve forgotten his magic wand that he needs to clean the shitcrater Bush left us in. It took 2 terms for his "team" to screw this country over, and people wanna bitch and complain that its not squeaky clean in Obamas presidency before his FIRST TERM IS COMPLETE? GTFOH.
ckal - 12/2/2011, 6:18 PM
ckal- "Get a job, bums" How about you get a clue? It might help. What a ridiculously ignorant statement, I think it's shameful the attitude of people like you, who just decide to take it up the ass from governments and banks. Typical right-wing radicals though right? Let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, oh and if anyone's ill and poor just let them die, because that's totally moral.


Ryden- Yes, people who sit around and eat up unemployment for a year are really helping our country out, for one.

Even if you are someone who doesn't 'decide to take it up the ass from the govt and banks,' what the hell are you going to do about it? Stop working and occupy, like that is going to make a damn bit of difference? It's astonishing how some people think that will have any kind of effect on anything. Keep working your job and vote, have a wild Obama like run in politics and change things yourself, or just accept that fact that nothing you do will make a bit of difference.

Govts are going to run with or without people speaking out against them, just as they always have.

One thing I absolutely cannot stand, are people who are slaves to specific political parties or views. Think for yourself! All these people who blindly follow Democrats, or blindly follow Republicans, you are all delusional. I am an Independent, and proud to be. I make my own decisions based on my own judgements, not based on what a political party says it should be. There's no way someone can actually agree with EVERYTHING their party 'stands for,' especially the politicians themselves.

Political parties are the worst damn thing about this country. I wish people would stop all this 'right' 'left' 'wing' 'liberal' 'conservative' bull shit talk. But that will never change. Until it does, our government will be [frick]ed up.
40oz - 12/2/2011, 6:19 PM
Moore looks like a pedifile and to knock someone else's work as a writer is immature. And I could care less about the topic at hand.
headlopper - 12/2/2011, 6:25 PM
@ ckal-Your argument is intelligent and sensible.

Hard to dispute.
ckal - 12/2/2011, 6:30 PM
KaneVonDoom- All respect, I'm not really interested in watching a video in which biased news corporations push their opinions on us.

By all means go ahead and speak your mind, I won't bite you for it.

itbegins2005- There are always things here and there that come up, but what you are referring to is something that is not in effect, and likely won't be. And I was under the impression that KanVonDoom was referring to our basic rights such as free speech and assembly, since we were on the topic of "Occupy" rallies.

I'm sure most people would agree that American citizens still maintain and exercise all the rights and freedoms that we are globally known to have here. It's when people start to blur the line, by pushing the line themselves and trying to exploit them, where people start to wrongly say our freedoms are being stolen from us.

RorMachine - 12/2/2011, 6:35 PM
Itbegiuns, I'm workin on it! We will see what happens with the site relaunch.
ckal - 12/2/2011, 6:36 PM
Thanks, Headlopper.


Intruder- Some explanation in addition to randomly linked videos would be nice. Hearing your description and opinion of it would give me an idea of where you stand, and I could actually have a conversation with you.
TheRealEnrico - 12/2/2011, 6:37 PM
Moore is sadly wrong on this one. Capitalism is the answer real capitalism that is. We(America have not practiced it right for a long time.

Both Democrats and Republicans are fools and are going destroy are nation.

Conservatives are not wrong but what we need is conservative Libertarians to fix ourselves. We need true freedom.




And seriously all comic on all sides lean left by a long shot.





And serously all comic on all sides leen left by a long shot.
starscream4president - 12/2/2011, 6:47 PM
To me Moore's comment would have made perfect sense had the movement been designed to get an actual result.

A bunch of people complaining with no other agenda but to let people know that they're angry is not productive.

What has this movement accomplished???

Can we say that our life is better after this movement?

I think they need to go back to the drawing board and define their objectives clearly, because nobody is denying that the system is [frick]ed up.
TheRealEnrico - 12/2/2011, 6:47 PM
Fox new is not some evil lying machine... it is all media. Fox is actual one of the most truthful well at least Fox Business but still mostly full of shit. It is very hard to get the truth.

Don't let other people think for you.

Conservative Libertarians and Libertarians have been warning us this shit has been coming for years.

This wall street movement is not grass roots or organic.

I have known about the planing of this crap for almost two years.
skullboy - 12/2/2011, 6:49 PM
Miller can suck it!
dezdigi - 12/2/2011, 6:50 PM
I'm glad we had another icon give a different opinion.
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