Joss Whedon Responds To Wally Pfister's AVENGERS Slam

It's not a lengthy quote, but the director of The Avengers keeps things very classy when responding to the TDKR cinematographer's opinion that the block-busting Marvel flick was "appalling". Read on to find out what he had to say..

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By Mark "RorMachine" Cassidy - 10/19/2012
In a week that saw quite a few negative - or negatively perceived - comments from various actors and directors about certain movies they worked on, probably the one to drum up the most controversy was Wally Pfister's slam on Joss Whedon's The Avengers. While participating in a Q&A last week at Ringling College of Art and Design, the Dark Knight Rises cinematographer incurred the wrath of many a fan-boy when he dissed the record breaking Marvel movie. ”I thought The Avengers was an appalling film,” he said, according to the Huffington Post. “They’d shoot from some odd angle and I’d think, why is the camera there? Oh, I see, because they spent half a million on the set and they have to show it off. It took me completely out of the movie. I was driven bonkers by that illogical form of storytelling.”



In fairness to old Wally, I think he may just have been talking about the cinematography, and not the movie as a whole - although he might have chosen his words a little more tactfully. Still, his opinion is his opinion, even if the majority of us don't agree with it. EW reached out to Joss Whedon for a response, and the director - who is usually only too happy to indulge his fans with his razor sharp wit - kept things very brief..

“I’m sorry to hear it, I’m a fan.”

As are most of us. Would something like this tarnish your opinion of someone's work, or the person themselves? Both? Neither? Sound off below.









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Rhys - 10/19/2012, 2:03 PM
Damn. It seems pretty obvious who is the assh@le in this situation and who is the nice guy.

And future commenters, this has nothing to do with the two films...Pfister slam was a d!ck move, and Joss choose to be the man and not attack him back.

I hate when filmmakers bash each other. It's so immature and unprofessional. They can have their opinions about each others movies...but they should have the decency to keep it to themselves.
Grayson7954 - 10/19/2012, 2:10 PM
Whedon is the man, knows how to handle things professionally. I too am a fan of pfister, but that was just uncalled for. Both films are great, different tastes, still good. It just depends if one prefers apples or bananas
TheWebSlinger - 10/19/2012, 2:10 PM
Classy response by Joss, did that dude have to come off as a snobby elitist? Sheesh. What's funny is that TDK and TDKR don't even have that much visual story telling, they use a crap load of dialogue to tell the stories (Batman Begins had a perfect mix of the two).

Avengers wasn't trying to be deep or overly convoluted, it was trying to be fun, and not take itself too seriously. It doesn't need Shawshank Redemption level cinematography.. it's just a comicbook/superhero movie..

Anyways, the Avengers was a much more visually impressive film, than TDKR's washed out no color look. Although there were some beautiful scenes like when Batman was being chased by the police cars. Still, it is by far the most flawed of Nolan's trilogy, and it is flawed as a film also. He comes off with a lot of hubris, which makes me think he thinks that TDKR was some kinda masterpiece.
GoILL - 10/19/2012, 2:12 PM
Whedon was cool about the reviewer who didn't like the Avengers so I expected him to be just as cool about this. Now if all the folks who got pissed about the comment Pfister made were just as cool as Whedon you wouldn't have all this constant fanboy bullshit going on.
IRONANGEL87 - 10/19/2012, 2:16 PM
Man i'm a fan of what Wally Pfister has done on all Chris Nolan Films he worked on but he should have not said anything because i believe Joss Whedon did a great job on The Avengers.
kevberg - 10/19/2012, 2:23 PM
oh...so now we can't comment oh leading articles...
marvel72 - 10/19/2012, 2:23 PM
you can dislike the avengers if you so please but the movie was far from appalling.

DaenerysTargaryen - 10/19/2012, 2:24 PM
Thank you Joss for having a nice mature response.
THEBAMF - 10/19/2012, 2:30 PM
Very classy Mr. Whedon.
asdalhjljh - 10/19/2012, 2:32 PM
Apparently criticism is bad, especially honest criticism about movies or characters that "many a fan-boy" is emotionally invested in. God forbid anyone should honestly and critically assess an intellectual property that so many "fan-boys" hold in such high esteem and build their sense of self-worth around. Would Wally have been better off saying something like "well, ya know, erhm, ah, I just didn't prefer some minor, forgivable aspects of the film's cinematography- I mean, I mean- they didn't do it, the way I would have done it- but, ah, hey guys, who am I to judge? heh heh. The Avengers totally rocked!!"

Give me a fcukin break.
--
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
asdalhjljh - 10/19/2012, 2:34 PM
@TheWebSlinger

"did that dude have to come off as a snobby elitist?"

Snobby elitists make the movies you enjoy today.

Or perhaps you'd prefer to have Roger Corman direct the CBMs from now on, with the same quality he directed Fantastic Four?
INFO - 10/19/2012, 2:35 PM
Respect from Mr.Whedon.
INFO - 10/19/2012, 2:36 PM
@Wildaniel i agree.
kevberg - 10/19/2012, 2:36 PM
Hey Darth, he didn't say that in private company, he said in public , criticizing a fellow competitor. When using a harsh criticism like "apalling" ..he had to expect a reaction.

he has every right to have a opinion, and we have evry right to also criticize him.

Dark Knight Rises was abysmal
asdalhjljh - 10/19/2012, 2:38 PM
"kevberg"

You are entirely right...and I have every right to question the integrity and/or hypocrisy/ignorance of your criticisms.

At least in America.
:)

And I agree with you- Dark Knight Rises WAS abysmal.
Otisburg - 10/19/2012, 2:39 PM
JEALOUSY HAS MANY DIFFERENT FACES...ONE OF THEM OBVIOUSLY IS WALLY PFISTERS.
Supes17 - 10/19/2012, 2:39 PM
I think he was speaking about the cinematography of the film...After making the statement, he went into detail about the technical and cinematographical problems with it...He didn't mention anything about the plot..


If anyone has the right to criticize someone's work on cinematography, it's a professional with multiple Academy Award nominations under his belt.

That being said, he should have chosen his words more carefully...You can state your opinions on a film without coming off as a jerk
marvel72 - 10/19/2012, 2:41 PM
@ Wildaniel

far from the best movies ever,i can see why you like the first two but the dark knight rises is average/good to say the least.
thebatspider - 10/19/2012, 2:41 PM
Who cares about people who didnt like the movie, opinions dont mean they are facts, most of the people enjoy the avengers and say that was awesome, this is a fact.
RorMachine - 10/19/2012, 2:41 PM
Kevberg, no YOU can't comment on MY articles, at least until you grow up, but your big boy pants on and reign in the ridiculous vendetta you have against me because I happen to disagree with your neanderthal viewpoints. OK?
jimpinto24 - 10/19/2012, 2:42 PM
If you read Wally Pfister's comment a couple of days ago, he came off as a bitter D-Bag! He didn't have to take a jab at The Avengers. Joss Whedon handeled it the right way, and not take a jab at him or his work.
Gose - 10/19/2012, 2:42 PM
The person does not read comicbooks. Never bother looking at comic panels. Hey, Jolly J Jonah Jameson never complain about Parker's photo shots.
m0th3r - 10/19/2012, 2:42 PM
Class is something u have..like mojo...he just sounded butthurt..
asdalhjljh - 10/19/2012, 2:43 PM
"kevberg"

You're right in saying "he had to expect a reaction." It's just sad to me that the reaction he should have expected was so typical, trite, emotionally-driven, and un-called for.

Almost as if he personally insulted the mother of every "fan-boy" on this planet.

Whedon and his films don't need your defense, just as Wally doesn't need mine.

Too often this board turns into an opportunity for obsessive fanboys to attack and criticize anyone with a different opinion than their own, or with the opinion that the opinions of the fanboys are somehow unhealthy, or otherwise "wrong."

I guess the only truly acceptable thing is to join in the mental masturbation, eh?
Supes17 - 10/19/2012, 2:43 PM
That was a classy response by Mr. Wheddon.

Alright everyone, let's express our frustration at Wally by bashing The Dark Knight Rises on this thread!

THAT'LL SHOW HIM! :P

lmao
rocky - 10/19/2012, 2:44 PM
Fister was really out of bounds with his insult. The Avengers wasn't even part of the question.

And now that he's about to direct something the last thing he should be trying to do is alienate the Avengers fans because now you're getting into money issues.

Otisburg - 10/19/2012, 2:46 PM
im not sure a guy with the last name of FISTER is worthy of saying anything bad about THE AVENGERS.
asdalhjljh - 10/19/2012, 2:46 PM
This article should have been titled:

Joss refuses to let the Avengers get Pfisted by Wally!!

marantaz - 10/19/2012, 2:46 PM
Pfister: ”I thought The Avengers was an appalling film. They’d shoot from some odd angle and I’d think, why is the camera there? Oh, I see, because they spent half a million on the set and they have to show it off. It took me completely out of the movie. I was driven bonkers by that illogical form of storytelling.”

Was he driven bonkers by the illogical storytelling of TDK, with it's implausable scenes and that impossibly choreographed car chase? No of course not, because this isn't 'honest criticism', it's butt-hurt whining, and that's all it is.

you are broken

Strength Prevents War
Ignorance Leads to Slavery
Freedom Brings Peace

Jollem - 10/19/2012, 2:47 PM
well, i'm a fan of joss, and most creative people

as it turns out, people are still human
silverdog - 10/19/2012, 2:48 PM
good answer Mr Whedon. you made nolanite butthurrt crybaby Pfister look like an even bigger douchebag...
dailycomicsfix - 10/19/2012, 2:56 PM
He's a cinematographer providing his opinion on the cinematography of the Avengers. It's perfectly valid and acceptable for him to do that EVEN if his opinion differs from yours or most others.
KaneRomita - 10/19/2012, 2:56 PM
I think there were some odd shots in The Avengers.. There are a couple of shots thru mirrors that come to mind. But I'll take the bright colorful Avengers over the dark depressing TDKR any day.. And at least the Avengers stayed true to all the characters.. Take a look at TDKR.. Batman retires for 8 years (after only about 1 year of crime-fighting).. Alfred isn't loyal to Bruce.. Bane was really nothing like the comix version.. and they gave us a version of 'Robin' that had all the Robin taken out of it.. I guess they got Catwoman right.
GoILL - 10/19/2012, 2:58 PM
@marvel72

I loved Avengers too and while I don't agree with Wally's opinion of any aspect of the movie being appalling it is just that HIS opinion.
siggisuperman - 10/19/2012, 3:03 PM
The guy obiously does not understand that the cinematography is made so that it looks like a comic book. Ofcourse it looks different but that's just cause his brain is old. It looked beautiful to me and millions of other people so I think he is obviously wrong.
Logan5 - 10/19/2012, 3:03 PM
@DCF & GoILL

Well said!

It's the cinematography he was talking about people. He's not slicing the film. Whedon's comment is meant to sound like the great "mistreated underdog..," he's excelled for years at that.
asdalhjljh - 10/19/2012, 3:05 PM
I pity the poor high school kids who work at the movie theatres where people here watched the Avengers. They weren't just cleaning spilled popcorn and soda off the back of the seats...
thingrock4 - 10/19/2012, 3:06 PM
This guy is a GIANT jealous DOUCHEBAG! NUFF SAID!
ArtisticErotic - 10/19/2012, 3:06 PM
YAWN more Marvel vs DC bullshit.

Call me when this board grows the [frick] up.
Logan5 - 10/19/2012, 3:06 PM
@siggisuperman

"The guy obviously does not understand that the cinematography is made so that it looks like a comic book."

I'm pretty sure Pfister is aware of that. ;P
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