Why Batman/Superman should NOT be cancelled

My vindication of the long time coming Batman/Superman movie...

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By Sentry - 12/24/2013


Let's get one thing straight, Superman and Batman are practically responsible for creating the popularity in comic books and the credibility in comic book movies, both formats pretty much began with them, sure there were comic books and comic book movies before them but none of them made any sort of significant impact on culture like Superman and Batman have and to suggest that WB should bow out because Disney have a couple of movies coming out around the same time, is absurd, that's like suggesting an Olympic sprinter not even try because there will be some competition there, that kind of preemptive acquiescence never got anybody anywhere.

When WB puts these two icons in a film together, it's a guaranteed moneymaker, it really is, it will be the single biggest moment in comic book movie history, Batman/Superman will not be scared of The Avengers or Star Wars, Star Wars and The Avengers should be scared of Batman/Superman.



While Marvel certainly has its place in the market, I do think Marvel is losing some of its allure, when they put out what feels like homogenous, perfunctory and increasingly predictable movies, DC needn't worry, they cracked over a billion dollars with Batman alone, it took Marvel 6 heroes to crack a billion dollars and Iron Man 3 largely rode off of that success with what was largely considered a disappointing sequel by most fans.

And if anyone was so inclined to study the numbers, Man of Steel out grossed every single Marvel phase 1 movie, The Avengers and Iron Man 3 grossed more than the Man of Steel but once The Avengers gloss wore off even The Dark World, which faced far less competition in the cinemas, couldn't overcome the Man of Steel so I doubt WB are scared of the big bad bogeyman from Marvel, there is room in the world of comic book movies for Marvel and DC.



Admittedly Batman/Superman will seemingly introduce a whole plethora of new heroes and villains into the mix if all the rumors are to be believed but at this point, we hardly know what we don't know about Batman/Superman.

It stands to reason that Superman will still be the focus of the movie, the entire conflict of Batman/Superman is said to revolve around Superman's actions from the Man of Steel so while Batman will be introduced along with Wonder Woman in a completely unknown degree, this is still primarily Superman's story plus the rumored villains at this point are all Superman villains, Lex Luthor, Metallo and possibly even Brainiac.



For too long WB have sat idly by with their illustrious properties showing little to no clarity or vision for their combined futures so I for one am glad to see them finally hit the ground running after all WB practically invented the comic book movie genre and it appears they've finally found their creativity and inspiration again with what appears to be a Trinity movie, a Flash movie, a Justice League movie, a Sandman movie and a Justice League Dark movie all looming on the horizon.



I don't find much credence in the argument that Batman/Superman will be too crowded, Batman/Superman is coming from Zack Snyder, the same man who filmed the 'unfilmable' Watchmen, a superhero ensemble that featured 6 superheroes, it was a truly exceptional and well balanced comic book movie and what was even more remarkable is that Zack Snyder didn't have any origin movies to build off beforehand.

Zack was starting from scratch with every single character and yet they all felt like fully fleshed out characters, relatable, understandable and totally realistic, Watchmen was essentially a Justice League movie without any origin movies to build on, even Roger Ebert praised it so Zack Snyder must have done something right.



Or the baseless argument that we need origin movies first because otherwise we simply wouldn't care about the characters, I find this criticism to be empty because one of the most revered and successful comic book movies was none other than Batman in 1989 which contained no discernible origin story therein.



Although this was Batman's first movie on the big screen, we were shown a fully formed Batman at the height of his crime fighting career, we weren't given an origin story into the formation of Batman, Tim Burton delved into The Joker's origin story which coincided with some of Bruce Wayne's history but we didn't need to know everything about Bruce Wayne to be invested in his story or in his character.

Credit where credit is due, thanks to Nomis for pointing out that the Batman movie released in 1966 was in fact, the first Batman movie on the big screen, over two decades before Tim Burton would bring his vision to Gotham city and its Dark Knight but my point still stands, the original Batman movie had no origin story either.



I would be happy enough if they don't explore Batman's or Wonder Woman's origin story at all in Batman/Superman because frankly, we (the audience) and they (the characters) simply don't need it, at least not yet, retain some of their mystery, we don't need to know every single detail about them immediately, save their origin stories for their solo movies or future movies via flashbacks.

WB have been planning this team up movie since before the Man of Steel was even released, to suggest that WB should stop before they ever really start is insane, I say go for it WB.
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Brainiac13 - 12/25/2013, 7:53 AM
Well said. I personally wanted solo movies but.....after the announcements. ....I trust Snyder.

The only people should be scared are the Trolls as they don't want DC to be successful.

Really good editorial to read on Christmas afternoon. Well done.

Buu - 12/25/2013, 8:21 AM
Great editorial! I agree with majority of what you said, especially the whole mystery surrounding Batman and Wonder Woman. There have been an abundance of origin movies in recent years, and quite frankly, I'm bored of them.

When I started watching and reading Batman, I never started with his origin. If I had never got into Batman in the first place, I would of never cared about his origin. While its nice to know how these heroes came to be, it isn't necessarily the way all these characters need to be introduced.
EpitomeofAwesome - 12/25/2013, 11:16 AM
I agree 100%. Great editorial
Nomis - 12/25/2013, 12:37 PM
Don't worry... It's NOT going to be cancelled!

No matter what some intraweb fanboy post as an editorial on this on any other comic book web page.


By the by youngblood... this was Batman first movie on the big screen...



But there was no origin in this one either.
Sentry - 12/25/2013, 1:50 PM
@Nomis, yes, you're absolutely right, I always thought Batman (1966) was a TV movie like Wonder Woman (1974) or Doctor Strange (1978), thanks for pointing it out and I'll update my article accordingly.
JorEllinator - 12/26/2013, 2:40 AM
The movie is still going to be a cluttered mess. Cancelling it would be the best thing to do,
LEEE777 - 12/26/2013, 4:42 AM
Yeah IRON MAN 3 sucked.

MOS could've and should have been a lot better tho!

MOS btw needed to have the Superman score and less Matrix, but the worst part was Lois knowing who Clark was before he was even official Superman that sucked bad, but there was great stuff too, Cavil ruled. The forgettable score Man of Steel had though I still can't remember it, it was that good... not.

MOS should've been the best CBM of 2013 and I still want it to be, ugh... Doesn't help its too NEW 52'sh, can't beat the classic modern age DC Universe.

Looking forward to BATS VS SUPERS, not so much Affleck as Bats, but who knows?

LEEE777 - 12/26/2013, 4:47 AM
BTW - WATCHMEN = Pure Gold, so is BATMAN (89)
Forthas - 12/26/2013, 6:48 PM
Batman versus Superman is going to be a disaster. It makes me laugh to see fanboys predict it is a guaranteed "money maker" because as usual they think the movie going audience reflects the views of comic book fans who are a TINY fraction of the people needed to crack a billion. Many fans are turned off by a rebooted Batman; the prospect of watching an actor (Ben Affleck) shoehorned in the role after he failed at playing a similar role; and a Wonder Woman who has been in a total of four movies and has not starred in any of them and is now asked to carry an iconic role despite the fact she does not look like Wonder Woman. They are already rewriting the script and the idea that they supposedly planned this before Man of Steel is complete bulll. If they planned it so far back why didn't Henry Cavill know anything about it when he stated they should take a team up film slowly and have solo films. Why are they still working on a script. If they planned it so far back why don't they have a title? We know the title of the Avengers! It is obviously a last minute reaction to the Avengers. When Thor who has had two movies is bringing in almost as much box office reciepts as Man of Steel (the fifth Superman film) it is clear that WB does not know what to do with their DC properties. Marvel has realized the secret is to be consistent and not reboot established characters. WB should absolutely cancel this poorly thought out stunt to compete with Marvel. I have no faith in this movie and have already placed bets that this movie does less money than Man of Steel.
Forthas - 12/26/2013, 7:10 PM
@ OmegaDaGod

Think of it this way. The people that made the Dark Knight films a billion dollar success will not neccesarily come back for these films because it is a new Batman. So if Batman attracts the same people that the first one did it is at about $300 million worldwide. Add to that that I think that Man of Steel will lose about 10% of its audience who did not think it was good that would put it at about $575 milion. Adding those two numbers is a mistake because I think that most (about 90%) of that audience overlaps. The only thing that could put them over is Wonder Woman who has an audience with a lot of pent up demand. But since the movie does not focus on her it will not be a strong draw...but I admit I could be wrong about that factor since I can't tell how strong the desire to see Wonder Woman is.
Sentry - 12/27/2013, 2:24 AM
@Forthas

The script is merely being polished, happens all the time, David Goyer is keeping busy with Sandman and numerous other properties plus I seem to remember Marvel flying in Joss Whedon to rewrite three major scenes in The Dark World, while the film was being shot nonetheless.

Ben Affleck was cast as Batman before the Man of Steel was even released and Henry Cavill was talking about a Justice League movie not a World's Finest movie, Henry actually said he wanted a World's Finest movie before the Man of Steel was released, Henry never said anything about solo films.

They've had a title for months, they're just not releasing it because it will reveal certain plot details they are trying to keep secret and Batman/Superman actually builds a lot of buzz.

A lot of conjecture in your statements but very little truth.
LEEE777 - 12/27/2013, 6:51 AM
They should have made SUPES VS BATS (WORLD'S FINEST) when BALE was still Batman and Routhly (Supes) making an action packed awesome Superman sequel movie with a proper Superman score!

Oh well in another dimension it happened sumwhere : D

Yup half my friends said they did not like the direction and the magic gone from the reboot (MOS) an wont be watching the sequel especially as Bale wont be in it. I will tho ofc :p

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