FANTASTIC FOUR Could Feature an Entirely DIFFERENT CAST? (Part 1)

FANTASTIC FOUR Could Feature an Entirely DIFFERENT CAST? (Part 1)

Does the casting of Fantastic Four just seem a bit off? Is there something about it that just feels wrong? It's quite possible that many reports were absolutely wrong, as new evidence suggests that even FOX might agree with them being wrong.

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By HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014
"As for the casting stuff? Remember, it's all fluid. What was true a week ago - someone was in talks, the production was close to having a deal - isn't true today. And an actor the studio wasn't interested in a year ago may have suddenly gotten their attention recently. Official casting has to happen in the near future, so we'll know soon enough." -director Josh Trank to BadassDigest's Devin Faraci 2/4/14


20th Century Foxs did not announce their cast on Feb 5, and no one appointed TheWrap to speak on behalf of the studio, even the actors in the report had no idea -- shoudn't they be the first to know? Fox would've informed them all of their unanimous decision well ahead of time, so why did Kate Mara say: "According to Twitter I am. I literally haven't heard a thing, which is alarming." So an online citizen journalist got his hands on an official studio casting list, before the cast itself could be fully notified with a few quick phone calls? IT'S DEBUNKED! TheWrap's report saying "Kate Mara got the offer to play Sue Storm" is simply not true in light of her initial (and more recent) responses.

2 MONTHS LATER: Kate Mara still doesn't know anything!

So far the studio's kept a tight lid on their casting process, comparing their secrecy to WB's eventual Jesse Eisenberg/Lex Luthor announcement (in which every rumor was wrong). Studio representatives aren't allowed to talk openly about it, but potential actors can speak freely so long as they don't have the part, Miles Teller has spoken regularly about a role he'd rather be doing, but filming for the Divergent sequels eliminates any chance of him being in Fantastic Four. So never take an actor's off-hand remark as a source of “confirmation” of course Mara and Jordan responded to seeing their names on Twitter, based on the order of events it was not a response to being cast, but alas, a few obscure and unrelated tweets were lumped together and mistaken for a coordinated reveal. 
"In a movie that has a huge amount of attention already, I use Twitter as a way of connecting with fans, and also as a way of clearing up misunderstandings so that people know. You may hear that an actor is cast, or hear somebody is going to be in it, but until I say so, that's the confirmation." -Bryan Singer

Josh Trank had sarcastically tweeted a fake URL that contained the word "Yes" in it, and called the discussion on Twitter "casting debates" showing a clear disdain for how quickly his previous debunkings were disregarded. Much like the dishonest film reporters who put 'The Reluctant Four' in this compromising position, actors only say things that represent their own interests and not the direct agendas of 20th Century Fox (so the filmmakers aren't involved when actors talk about stuff written on the internet.) Of course the media puts them under pressure to sound more sure than unsure, but actors are basically trained liars, I wouldn't put it past anyone to make vaguely affirmative statements distorted by self-serving bias for these highly highly coveted roles:
"The last we heard, the four main actors hadn’t yet closed deals to star in ‘Fantastic Four’ but were in "final negotiations." That would mean that, while unorthodox, Fox could potentially cut any one of them loose with little-to-no financial repercussions." -Mike Sampson, ScreenCrush 3/14/14

For an article saying "negotiations were taking place" somehow each subsequent re-report got away with calling it "an official announcement", even though TheWrap's impeccable sources never confirmed that four contracts were signed overnight. Don't strain yourself pulling on a cable that doesn't trace back to any studio outlet -- Fox had nothing to do with this report! No comment, nothing to say, no guilt by association, so that leaves only one person behind the disappointing miscast, former Variety reporter Jeff Sneider whose reputation for "unprofessional behavior" and tweets regarding "the value of fancasts" precedes him. A whole 48 hours later he called it "the most likely cast" in a video explaining his own reasoning behind choosing these four "choices" and concluded the vlog by saying "I really hope these deals are gonna close." Keep in mind, this is the same Jeff Sneider who started the Miles Tellor rumor on August 2nd, but even after the director officially debunked it on August 3rd this rumor persisted to make insulting headlines like 'MILES TELLER CONFIRMS TALKS' when the actor said things like "uhh... I don't know." Of course in the absence of real news the “I don't know”-means-“yes” quotation molestation is standard policy these days, but this wasn't Sneider's first shot-in-the-dark casting idea. He tweeted back in March 2013 that TMNT's Noel Fisher had been eyed for Johnny Storm, but because the Canadian actor refused to comment nothing ever became of this quickly forgotten exclusive:

There is no official deal in place for Bell, 20th Century Fox had no comment, and representatives for Teller, Mara and Bell declined our request for comment.” -TheWrap, direct source of the exclusive and unaccompanied casting report

CONFIRMED: Jamie Bell was never in talks with the studio!

"Jamie Bell had never been mentioned in connection with this movie. But I think it's a perfect choice. No, he's not the [accurately describes Ben Grimm's physicality] he's a skinny, scrappy kind of guy, but he has experience with motion-capture performance." -Jeff Sneider, a noted fan-caster

One film reporter's opinion (the deciding factor in a fancast) is the reason Jamie Bell's twitter account reached over 100,000 followers in the span of a week, but responding to all the unanswered Ben Grimm-related questions is too much to ask. By acknowledging an internet-born rumor, even with total uncertainty, your name gets inexorably linked to the project. Internet discussions start to sound like studio discussions when fake terminology is being thrown around, so articles using made-up phrases like 'in final talks' are a clear sign of forgery, no one could possibly know what stage of "discussion" they're in. It's not unlike the media to spin deceptive headlines out of the same old names for months at a time, then writing up a fake confirmation article becomes an easy task for any ordinary schmoe. The filmmakers are often ignored in place of sensationalism, and whenever the latest non-studio report blatantly contradicts with older official studio reports, we're more willing to accuse the director of lying about previous debunkings that are still being circulated by the ignorant press. I've seen career journalists who can't even differentiate the two sources -- the studio doesn't deserve your misplaced skepticism and internet film reporters deserve every grain of salt in the shaker. So until further notice, until the studio claims this as their own, it's nothing more than Jeff Sneider's casting prediction:
"Keep in mind these are just my personal choices for the roles, this has nothing to do with the actual movie, and keep in mind that all of this is subject to change.” -Jeff Sneider's DISCLAIMER for his Ghostbusters 3 fancast

Somone reporting “the most likely” casting story doesn't make this the most likely cast, because neither the studio nor the acting agencies gave a dignified answer to what is either an unprompted guess – or just another misinformed news piece. 

"The internet will decide on its own whatever is apparently happening" -Josh Trank

"As for previous denials (including Miles Teller), Trank expressed frustration with the way that amorphous wish lists get reported as fact. I've made this point before - a list of actors being looked at for a role tells you nothing except who are the hot actors in a film's particular price range. The biggest star is not always the best (or most likely) fit. It's why I hesitate to run such early casting stories - as all the incorrect Lex Luthor reports show, they're often bunk. -Devin Faraci, Josh Trank

FACT #1: Trank has denied wanting to cast Miles Teller TWICE

"That little [Miles Teller] rumor floating around today? It isn't true. The end." -Josh Trank tweeted this on August 3rd, less than 24 hours after Jeff Sneider suggested The Spectacular Now star should (and I quote) "put on the tights for a superhero role"

The director's last interview with BadassDigest was called "You'll See the Truth About Fantastic Four in 2015" a preemptive strike at debunking all rumors within a six-month span, so even though saying ”no new casting info from Feb 5 until July 24” wasn't explicitly spelled out, Josh Trank certainly tried to dissuade all notions that any previous rumors were true. So you can imagination his frustration when "fan wish lists" getting reported as fact, he debunked Variety.com's shortlist which included the already bunk Teller and the unsure Mara, and Saoirse Ronan called that list "rumors" and says she did not audition. The official cast won't be revealed in it's entirety until the San Diego Comic Con (July 24-27) Fantastic Four panel so nobody could possibly be "locked-in" so far away from the studio's announced due date. 20th Century Fox has yet to crush anyone's spirits by debunking the reports, deciding to let the actors have their publicity boost, and on July 24th a far better cast will take their place.
"This sucks!" -Jon Campea

FACT #2: Variety.com's shortlist (with Teller and Mara) was called "a non-factual wish list" by the director.

FACT #3: Saoirse Ronan did not audition and called it "rumors" so the whole Variety report (including Teller and Mara) claiming all six actor auditioned -- was completely fabricated. 

"Is it possible Teller – along with his That Awkward Moment co-star Michael B. Jordan – were part of the casting groups Fox tested in search of the right family chemistry? Absolutely. Does this mean Teller and Jordan were the only actors Trank had in mind for the roles of Reed and Johnny Storm? Absolutely not. And that’s where Trank’s frustration surely stems from – who a studio considers feasible for a role and who is eventually cast can (and often do) differ greatly." -ScreenCrush

FACT #4: Mike Jordan has been falsely confirmed too many times to count, SchmoesKnow "confirmed" it a year ago (citing Nicki Finke as direct source of the rumor) Jordan continued to say otherwise. It's an internet campaign akin to "Donald Glover as Spider-Man" except Michael doesn't want the role! He'd rather "play a character who looks like" him.

FACT #5: Jeff Sneider's Doctor Doom shortlist was a wish-list of his own creation, Variety's Justin Kroll chose Toby Kebbell as "the most likely" frontrunner, this isn't the studio narrowing down their casting process. Film reporters are guessing at it.

I don't think we're gonna get anything official from this production until Comic Con, and I think Trank is more interested in making his movie than promoting it while it's still in pre-production. Of course there will still be rumors and lies – we live in an era when blogs happily make up superhero casting stories to get hits and then nobody takes them to task for being wrong, so it's not stopping anytime soon.”

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Tuuralihn - 4/3/2014, 3:05 AM
Teller has talked about being Mr. Fantastic several times lately. Confirming that he's excited to play him and that he has been in for a full body scan and stuff.
HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 3:11 AM

Miles Teller has lied about auditions before



"You can’t control the rumors, that’s how people get hits on their websites; that’s just them doing their job. As long as I’m not the one starting them. Then again, I’ll start a rumor. If I want a movie, like I put a rumor out there for me [auditioning] for Star Wars. It didn’t happen, but I think it got some people [to say], ‘Oh, yeah, maybe he would be right for that.’" -Miles Teller


So he put his name out for a Star Wars Episode VII shortlist before holding an audition, nothing wrong with that, but then Teller admitted that he'd never seen any of the original Star Wars and only watched Return of the Jedi for research but wasn't too thrilled by it. “I want to chase directors at this point,” Now he's eager to work with Josh Trank who notoriously directed a short film about Star Wars, and Simon Kinberg, the screenwriter on a number of Star Wars spin-offs – but really, he's never seen Star Wars before? An extroverted comedic actor is chasing after the lead role as a scientific genius in a sci-fi space opera, we should now regard the director's immediate response to “that little rumor floating around today? Isn't true. the end.” and stop making positive assumptions about a guy who is clearly incompatible with every sci-fi filmmaker across the board: Josh Trank has no interest in casting Miles Teller – but this actor somehow managed to read the entire script before even doing a screen-test:

“When I read the script, it didn't feel like I was reading this larger-than-life, incredible superhero tale. These are all very human people that end up having to become I guess what is known as the Fantastic Four. A lot of times it just looks like Hollywood actors in Halloween costumes, you know?” -Miles Teller


His vague description of an unspectacular team of reluctant superheroes sounds exactly like the 2005 script it doesn't sound anything like the 2015 sci-fi action screenplay involving aliens and alternate dimensions, for him to describe it as “not incredible and not larger-than-life.” “I could have played The Thing but, then I'm covered in rocks. I don't want to cover up my face, you know.” Again, he's referencing the Tim Story films, shouldn't he know by now that character is being rendered in full CGI? Teller is the only person talking openly about it, yet he doesn't seem to have any insider knowledge beyond watching the two previous films, watching Chronicle, and reading a few news articles with his name in it. Despite having nothing in common with the director or screenwriter, and completely alienating himself from the comics' fanbase, Miles described his audition process like it went off without a hitch, recounting the events in surreal narrative:

“Yeah, I went in for 'a test' as they call it, and I read with Mike and Kate, and Trank was there. We just kind of put it down in front of the studio and the studio gave it a thumbs up. I showed 'em my abilities to stretch and shape shift, they were very impressed by that.” -Miles Teller


He makes it sound like an audition for Hunger Games, like shady FOX executives evaluated tributes behind a sheet of glass, and he had to impress the Gamemakers to get a higher score -- it doesn't sound like it actually happened. I find it even harder to believe these three were put in a room together to test the chemistry between Reed, Johnny, and Susan – where was Jamie Bell during this? You'd think Reed and Ben are lifelong best friends, much of the script would be devoted to that relationship. It's as if Teller and Jordan's comedic chemistry is all that matters, even though Matthew Vaughn clearly said “it's not a comedy”, so many fans have been fooled into watching the bromantic comedy That Awkward Moment expecting a sneak preview of Fantastic Four. The genre is so far detached from 'the brom-com,' why on earth would two 27 year old “dudes” play characters that are generations apart, two radically different age-groups, a teenager and a mid-30's adult whose comedic chemistry is next to none? Ben Grimm is supposed to be a lot taller than Reed, and Sue is supposed to be much younger than Reed, but here Jamie Bell is five inches shorter than Miles Teller, and Teller is three years younger than Kate Mara but eight inches taller – the heights and ages are displaced in every way imaginable.
Tuuralihn - 4/3/2014, 4:40 AM
I stand corrected and bow humbly before the master.
campblood - 4/3/2014, 5:38 AM
Hype I hope your correct cause while I don't have a problem with a black dude playing Johnny storm I do have a problem with the cast being to young
Pasto - 4/3/2014, 6:51 AM
Tucks knows his stuff. Don't question him. He put me in my place on Twitter.
DaVinci31 - 4/3/2014, 6:57 AM
Interesting editorial you have here, F4.

I don't have a problem with this cast, though, so. . .
Pasto - 4/3/2014, 7:00 AM
Yoss
*Hands over hammer*

Hit the nail on the head please.
HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 7:14 AM
@yossarian <------ this is in no way a forward-thinking individual.
campblood - 4/3/2014, 7:24 AM
I just want mr fantastic to be in his late 30s early 40s

I want sue to be a few years younger than fantastic

I want Johnny in his early late 20s early 30s

and I want Ben to be in his mid 40s
CherryBomb - 4/3/2014, 10:44 AM
Admit it, that's the cast and it's a cast of great young actors.
Sure it's not the ideal cast but it's what we've got.
Pasto - 4/3/2014, 10:47 AM
Oh boy, here goes Cherry. Saying her useless nonsense again.
CherryBomb - 4/3/2014, 10:49 AM
Kate Mara will bring intelligence and beauty to Sue, which is perfect.
Miles Teller looks a lot like Mr Fantastic, it's just a shame he isn't older.
Jamie Bell will be CGI, I guess they wanted to show a bigger contrast from a skinny guy to a big rock-like monster.
Michael B Jordan is so talented, yeah ideally we would've gotten a white, blonde hair blue eyed Johnny, but I'm not bothered too much, just think it shows racial stereotyping.

CherryBomb - 4/3/2014, 10:49 AM
@Pasto
You are so obsessed with me! You just can't resist talking to me can you? ;)
0megaDaGod - 4/3/2014, 10:52 AM
Close your eyes and listen to Miles Teller speak

If you don't think for one second that you're listening to Jonah Hill you need your ears checked

This cast beyond Jordan is a travesty
Gusto - 4/3/2014, 11:09 AM
He's kinda creepin' me out.
dethpillow - 4/3/2014, 11:27 AM
great article!!! u always got lots of solid points to make and sometimes i'm not sure if all of them are on purpose of not.

so u, F4hypeDisaster, are hereby bestowed the year's second Kaufman award...

keep up the good work, right on.



MexicanChinman - 4/3/2014, 1:01 PM
Bro you need a life.
HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 1:12 PM
@TheMexicanSupermanBa... Bro can I have yours
gamecreatorjj - 4/3/2014, 1:47 PM
This seems like a conspiracy theory, the studio would have debunked a rumor this out of control.
Wallymelon - 4/3/2014, 1:57 PM
So you're just assuming all of this? Like you have inside info? Cuz I'm pretty sure it's casted. And this summer when they announce this cast. You're going to feel pretty dumb.
MrSotoMan - 4/3/2014, 2:01 PM
This seems like a conspiracy theory

HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 2:20 PM
guys, the studio debunked every rumor beforehand! that's why I included so many statements from the director, who was frustrated with having to set people straight on baseless nonsense. it's why he deleted his twitter account after uploading a picture of the classic blonde Johnny Storm. the only conspiracy is thinking the filmmakers are making 'the Miles Teller spin-off' from the X-Men saga.
MrNiklander - 4/3/2014, 2:55 PM
Ok seriously man Jamie Bell is the Thing he even tweeted that Toby Kebbell is Dr Doom
GliderMan - 4/3/2014, 3:10 PM
I wonder what Cherry Bomb looks like naked.

I already know what Gusto looks like naked.

Scrap this film, expand the X-Men universe, and work with Marvel.

Hell.
HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 3:39 PM
"The filmmakers are not part of the equation when actors talk about stuff written on the internet."

#FantasticFour is a film
and not just a trend on Twitter. these actors are trending right now, it doesn't mean Fox needs any of them, if anything they needed this to boost their careers. nobody knew who they were a second ago and now they're superstars, and a few months from now they'll be superstars who almost played superheroes, but the studio wanted to make a better movie instead so they decided to go with actors who better matched the characters.

"What was true a week ago - someone was in talks, the production was close to having a deal - isn't true today. Fox could, for whatever reason, cut any one of them loose with little-to-no financial repercussions."
GliderMan - 4/3/2014, 3:42 PM
dethpillow - 4/3/2014, 4:11 PM
one thing tho, you're misrepresenting what Trank actually said in that leading Bad Ass Digest quote. cuz it's clearly coming off, they way you're quoting it as this is something Josh Trank said.... that whole first quote.

all of it is what the article writer said. there's only two very short quotes from the conversation that the article has in it.

and you really shouldn't be claiming people said things that they didn't say, u know? u should change that bit, cuz it's misleading.

that doesn't hurt your case, everything your saying is still just as valid, but your article really makes it sound like Trank said that whole block of text with his mouth in those exact words.
dethpillow - 4/3/2014, 4:14 PM
and it's actually especially misleading cuz the only actual quotes from Trank in that article, have to do with the fake plot details, those old ones from the weird casting calls. zero quotes from Trank about the castings themselves in the referenced article.
dethpillow - 4/3/2014, 4:25 PM
so also, are you saying that they are gonna film the movie in secret so that no one knows who the cast is... and plan to only release who the cast is in July?

cuz they gotta start shooting before July right? to make the March release date next year.

why would they not reveal who the cast was gonna be? that's what i don't get about what you're saying...
dethpillow - 4/3/2014, 4:27 PM
cuz the truth is, he's saying you'll find out in 2015, when the movie comes out, or when full trailers start hitting... what the PLOT is. not who the cast is gonna be.
HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 5:08 PM
@dethpillow

of course those quotes weren't direct but paraphrased to clear up the fake plot details and that all non-studio cast reports shouldn't be believed, I only try to represent the filmmakers' perspective not Trank himself. he's been misrepresented enough as it is, people think he's hanging onto Mike Jordan, even though it was Nikki Finke's idea to start another "Donald Glover as Spider-Man" campaign, and look how that one turned out. so fat chance they're gonna scrap this project! the Negative Zone storyline has been in development for more than 6 years, Tim Story wanted to use the N-Zone and read mostly Ultimate Fantastic Four comics during production. the above cast doesn't look anything like Ultimate or 616 comics so its no indication of what the screenplay is like (visually accurate, sci-fi as hell) this is FOX's attempt at doing another Star Wars, another Alien, they're not letting this one revert.
HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 5:29 PM
@dethpillow

Avengers 2 is released months before FF, so their filming schedules don't exactly synch-up, with XM:DoFP they did most of the filming after mid-summer Comic Con when they had the whole cast together -- same goes for FF. the release date was bumped up to July 2015 to give them more time, it's so CGI-driven it has to be planned ahead of schedule without a cast. the pre-production eats up a lot of time, most special effects start out as 64-bit so they can fill in facial details later and make it look like the chosen actors.
Wolf38 - 4/3/2014, 5:43 PM
All I can say is that this film has gone a long time, and is pushing unusually close to its release date (14 months for a superhero film) to have not confirmed a single casting choice. I like Trank and the alleged cast, but you have to wonder about all of the delays.
HypeExMachina - 4/3/2014, 5:48 PM
@MrCBM56

I have no idea man, everybody has a twitter account, and Jamie Bell didn't say anything until another motion-capture British guy, Toby Kebbell, joined his "super secret boy band" it's more like pageantry when these actors call each other talented and say they're excited, just let 'em have it. expect Part 2 to come out next Sunday or Monday at the latest.

dethpillow - 4/3/2014, 6:56 PM
@F4Hype - yeah, i erased those comments about Fox's intentions cuz I agree... that's just coming from desperate hope on my part that rights would revert. and not becuz i don't think Trank can kill it.
about a month ago i just lost my patience with the movie. when those rumors about Fox shopping around for new directors, so ever since then, i've just wanted the rights to go back. but you're right, and i erased those cuz i realized it soon after posting them, i was looking at some MBJ interviews, and convention type stuff, and I think they're making the movie. he seems like a normal person, and so does Trank, and i don't think he'd be out there pushing for the movie if he sensed it was going down like i was saying before.
cuz him and Trank must know or be able to feel that out, and MBJ wouldn't be bothering to help Fox bluff. but it sure does look weird, the whole thing.

and i don't think they're gonna wait til July to start filming, but who knows, maybe you're right we'll see. as long as Trank stays on this, i'm totally behind it, but i swear to god, if he's out, i'm writing the movie off and Fox too forever. Trank's the one thing that i think is saving this whole thing. and whoever he wants as a cast i hope he gets.

and i've been hoping also, kinda like you're saying that with all this time before shooting, that he's got all the effects figured out, and kinda almost mapped out the entire movie in that way. i could imagine someone doing that just to be working on something. so people might be really surprised as to how good this movie looks when it comes out, and how cheap also. cuz of his whole special FX deal with those people.

so i hear u on that too, i was thinking before that the movie was coming out in March, but it's June i realized. which helps.

but still that quote is entirely in every way misleading, cuz it's not even a paraphrase of Trank as far as we know... u know? you are taking what someone else said and totally putting it in quotes and saying this is what Trank said, so it's a misrepresentation... entirely. I'm not gonna harp on you about it, but that is just totally not what should happen. you cannot paraphrase inside of quotation marks. and the paraphrase you're making is not backed up by anything Trank said in that particular interview. it's just not.

he says two things, and both of them seem to have to do with the plot, and not the casting. but i'm not gonna keep writing about it, hahaha. i've done that in the past with people and i only feel bad afterwards.

so right on, man. great article, and keep them coming.

and like @MrCBM56, i hope everything you've been saying is true too. those details about the story elements and stuff, I'd be so happy if the movie was like that and if the characters were done right in the personalities and stuff. and all the casting, i think MBJ's great and whoever Trank wants, i hope he gets. They should leave him to do what he wants to as much as realistically possible on this.
dethpillow - 4/3/2014, 7:04 PM
Nikki Finke is pretty ridicuous, i wanna look into what she's got to do with all of it. that's interesting. she seems to actually know what's going on tho.
but she is a little strange or something. i remember when she used to write for the Weekly in LA. always something with her, it seems like.
MightyZeus - 4/4/2014, 3:26 AM
Yes the cast is a travesty and you have to wonder what is the director and the studio thinking. The casting could be attributed towards a conspiracy theory.
All i can say is that production on the film has to start soon or else the film will meet it's deadline.

I mean who really know's what the hell is going on with the Fantastic Four over at FOX
Spideyinthemcu - 4/4/2014, 7:59 AM
Hopefully fox loses the rights
Mercwitham0uth - 4/8/2014, 3:51 PM
Awesome article!!

Fox is Marvel CBM Cancer.

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