GHOST RIDER 2 Treament Rejected for Being "Too Violent"

GHOST RIDER 2 Treament Rejected for Being "Too Violent"

Read all twenty-three pages of Todd Farmer & Patrick Lussier's treatment for Ghost Rider that was passed over for David S. Goyer's Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance.

Todd Farmer and Patrick Lussier over the years have teamed up multiple times, collaborating on such films as; My Bloody Valentine, Halloween III, and Nicolas Cage's Drive Angry.

Todd Farmer has headed to his blog and revealed some intriguing information about his, and Patrick's failed attempt to nab Ghost Rider 2. He posted a picture of his prized Ghost Rider comic books to show that he is a huge fan of the character and has a passion for the material.

During one of our many meetings, De Luca, who had produced Ghost Rider, suggested we come up with a pitch for Ghost Rider 2. We said yes with much enthusiasm. So Mike set a meeting with Avi Arad that we might meet and discuss the franchise. And we had a blast. We met Avi and his son Ari (who sat with me and Tom Jane during the My Bloody Valentine premiere). We talked superheroes and what made Ghost Rider different. We talked through what Vilains we could legally draw from. It was a perfect meeting.

Patrick and I returned to the ghostcave and worked our magic. We decided to not only create a pitch but since there were so many entities involved (Avi, Marvel, Sony and De Luca) we would create a document we could leave behind. A doc that would represent our story, our characters and our tone. And that’s what we did.

When we returned we were pumped. We had nailed it. It may seem arrogant to say that but DUH. Isn’t that the point? Why would you ever go back if you didn’t think you nailed it? During the initial chit chat I said something along the lines of, “We know there are several entities involved here but we think we’ve found a story that fulfills everyone’s concerns.” Avi then informed me that there was only one entity that mattered. Everyone laughed. I gulped.

And the pitch was fun! We knew De Luca dug it. Later we heard that Sony loved it. But in the end Avi passed. He said it was too violent.


Treatment by Todd Farmer & Patrick Lussier

Call it a preamble. Likely via Voice Over, we hear Johnny Blaze encapsulate becoming the Ghost Rider... what his purpose is, and the rules of his supernatural alter-ego: Changing in the presence of supernatural evil, or when innocent blood is spilled nearby. Blaze wasn't the first of his kind but he was the first to spit in the face of the devil. He declined the role of the Devil's bounty hunter. Rather than terrorize the innocent, Blaze chose instead to use his supernatural evil to slay those already in Satan's service. Sound easy? Sound like hero's work? Did to Blaze too... but walking with evil takes its toll... and sooner or later it gets hard to tell the difference from the evil out there and the evil inside your own soul...

MEET JOHNNY BLAZE... drunk and staggering... a shadow of what he once was...tormented by his years of being Ghost Rider. He stares at himself in the bathroom mirror of a shitty bar. He holds up his hand... flames lick out from the fingers as he presses it on the reflective glass. It heats, distorts, cracks - Blaze's reflection fragments -- pieces of Johnny, pieces of Ghost Rider. Finally he SMASHES his face into the mirror. Staggers back, drops to the filthy floor. Door swings open - Meet DEACON GRAY (think Sean Bean), once entered the priesthood but slugged a Bishop for eying an altar boy. He's rugged, righteous and vicious with scars from brow to jawbone. He slaps Blaze across the face. Coffee. Lots of it. Deacon forces Blaze to drink it. Sobering him some. "You good enough to ride?" asks Deacon. Blaze's Harley (the Easy Rider bike from the first film) kicks to life. It too is a mess. No longer clean or pristine, it's amazing it runs at all. It's as tarnished as Blaze is himself. Deacon glides up next to him on his own bike. The two take off. American highway through the Rockies. Mountainous terrain, tunnels and open road. Blaze finally slows...Deacon next to him. We intercut their conversation.

Deacon: "Blaze, you turned your back on everything you had goin for you. Shit, you had achieved the dream. And now you can barely keep your head on straight."

Blaze: "That ain't the half of it."

Deacon: "This thing inside you... if it ain't gonna leave on its own then you gotta make peace with it. Cause you're letting it kill you."

Blaze: "I'd be okay with it killin' me. Hell, I'd welcome it. But it doesn't want me dead. Itjust wants out. So I gotta keep the road movin' beneath me..."

Deacon: "Yeah? That never seems to stop you from turnin.' You look on it like it's hell itself... but think of the evil that you smite... Blaze, that's a good thing."

Blaze: "In the beginning. Thought if I was pure of heart, true to myself, that I could control it. But now... seems like the worst kind of nightmare keeps finding me. Like I'm not a hunter of evil...I'm a goddamn magnet for it. I swear to you brother, if we come to a crossroads and you want a peaceful day, just don't follow me. Because my path's gonna be full of pain and suffering. Makes me think there's a reason. Like my jumping ship has thrown the balance out of whack. Like I'm just supposed to give in."

Deacon: "To what? The Dark side? Blaze. You do that. And I will personally send you back to hell myself. That is a promise."

Johnny and Deacon lock eyes. Then Johnny extends his hand. "I'll take you at your word. And hold you to it." Deacon shakes, the deal sealed. Blaze and Deacon race through the mountainous road. Head through one tunnel, then emerge from another. Both screech their bikes to a halt.

Click Here to Read the Full Treatment for GHOST RIDER 2: Riders On The Storm

Ghost Rider : Spirit of Vengeance is directed by Mark Neveldine and Brian Taylor's starring Nicolas Cage, Ciaran Hinds, Violante Placido, Idris Elba, and Johnny Whitworth. Ghost Rider hits theaters February 22, 2012.

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NeoBaggins - 2/21/2012, 9:33 AM
Is this the part where we all say how it could have been good?

R.I.P. Ghost Rider Movies
StrangerX - 2/21/2012, 9:35 AM
I was a big fan of the trailers, and was on my way to check it out until almost everyone on here said it sucked.
95 - 2/21/2012, 9:44 AM
I wanna blame Avi Arad for this.

Ghost Rider is a boring character.

The films have a lot of work to make him interesting.

This treatment is boring, skimmed to the end and the imagery gets a bit cool. 'Bout it.


Goyer did a great job with Batman Begins. imo

er101 - 2/21/2012, 9:45 AM
Avi Arad said THAT was to violent yet said nothing about punisher:warzone?
NeoBaggins - 2/21/2012, 9:47 AM
Scripts are only as good as their direction and presentation.
santoanderson - 2/21/2012, 9:48 AM
I really can't stand sitting through a preview for a David Goyer movie/TV show, and having it flash the words "From the visionary writer behind Batman Begins & The Dark Knight". The guy got lucky when Chris Nolan called him back in 2003, and he's been riding Nolan's coat-tails ever since. He owes his paychecks to Nolan.
KNIGHT3000 - 2/21/2012, 9:53 AM
I saw GHOST RIDER 2 yesterday, but I missed the 1st 20 minutes. Can somebody tell me what I missed please?
KidDynamo0 - 2/21/2012, 9:53 AM
For those of you slamming Goyer's writing on this need to be aware that he came up with the story. That doesn't mean dialogue. He worked on the overarching direction of the writing. Both Scott Gimble and Seth Hoffman are credited as the main writers. If you have an issue with the writing, as I did, you should point to them and Neveldine/Taylor.
joeker - 2/21/2012, 10:05 AM
they take a character that is about killing/destroying evil things & has demons in & violence and you say no to a scrpt that is too violent? its not the [frick]ing care bears idiots
KNIGHT3000 - 2/21/2012, 10:14 AM
I find the bad-guys in both GHOST RIDER movies to be displayed pretty weakly.

They should get actors that actually look like tough guys, and not these Lil pretty-boys that look like Cage could kick there ass anyway.

For me thats what didn't change between the 2 films. They both picked wimpy pretty-guys that can't fight, nor look intimidating for shit.
KaneVonDoom - 2/21/2012, 10:17 AM
It amazes me that a huge studio wants to make a movie about a character that sells his soul to The Devil, turns into a flaming skeleton, and is referred to as the Spirit of Vengeance... Doesn't want it to be too dark or violent.

What a bunch of Pussies.
Darkhaven - 2/21/2012, 10:21 AM
Dude, Goyer can do dark; he's done the Blades and the new Batman movies. I guess everyone can't be on point all the time (looking at you, Blade 3).

On a positive note, maybe the all around fallout from both Ghost Rider flicks will help Marvel Studios get the license back.
Gmoney84 - 2/21/2012, 10:31 AM
Dang, they should seriously let me make a Ghost Rider movie. That shit would be amazing!!
KNIGHT3000 - 2/21/2012, 10:33 AM

I'll be your editor
xXkryptoniteXx - 2/21/2012, 10:37 AM
Get this for all the people back lashing goyer, did you know that it's all up to the director and producers to pick what they like in the story??? If ghost rider was more rated r like blade, it would have been better, but ultimately it's the producers and the studio that [frick]s up the final product. Example green lantern, it was te studio that messed it up. Leave the filmmakers be but if you have bad directors not respecting the writers that's a different story. Writers always hates the producers and the director since they love to change things a lot and messing it up.

Why do you think the best movies they have writers and producers and directors always love collaborating, they know it's hard to make a good movie without anyone working and having a great chemistry together. Goyer, Nolan and his brother are so far great together, let's see if they pull it off in the 3rd movie.
headlopper - 2/21/2012, 10:39 AM
I read through Todd Farmer & Patrick Lussier's proposal.
How could they not make this. Very creative.
ManOfKrypton - 2/21/2012, 10:51 AM
Ghost Rider should have been very similar to Blade, but No they had to freaking kidfy it - I hope this goes back to Marvel so they can do it some justice.
SuperHeroDude666 - 2/21/2012, 10:52 AM
@ 3D Ghost Rider...A boring Character??? He's a Guy with his skull on FIRE!!!!! How is that boring?
Nubase - 2/21/2012, 11:09 AM
Marvel will not sanction a r rated movie..ever, they have a sucessfull formula right now and will not break it, remember its all about money, and more money is to be made when families with their kids go to the movie house not couples.

Also Nick Cage is a r rated movie actor, all the r rated movies he has been in he truly delivers cos that where he is comfortable, in movies that is not r rated he is tamed so much!

make me wonder about deadpool and the wolverine movie thats in the works, deadpool slices and shoots anything thats living and wolverine..well we know what he is capable off and what have we seen him do on the screen so far?...
SuperSpiderMan5778 - 2/21/2012, 11:17 AM
GR2 sucked they should've went with the original idea.
Mego - 2/21/2012, 11:18 AM
A number of people keep saying GR should've been more like Blade. That's true but the problem and obstacle in the way is that Marvel, Avi Arad, and the studios want to turn GR into a merchandising cow. With Blade, Marvel had such low expectations, the did nothing to promote the film, by their own admission. They didn't care and they stayed out of it and let someone make a movie and it succeeded. But they smelled money with GR and wanted a PG 13 movie so kids could watch and want GR toys. In some ways GR is SPAWN 2 and 3. The Spawn film was made the same way while the HBO series was not. GR and Spawn aren't "superheroes". They are more like Dracula and Frankenstein. They are supernatural-horror characters. Trying to water down the material and make them Batman movies or Spider-Man just doesn't work. If a good filmmaker was given the ability to make movies with Ghost Rider or Spawn, without the money mad attempts to go for PG-13 so the kids can watch, you could have movies made for about 60 mil, and they would make about 200 mil domestic and probably 500-600 worlwide. The DVDS and Blu-Rays WOULD sale as well. But that's just not enough payoff for the greedy Studios. They want a huge ticket gross + the huge merchandise profit, but they can't have that with EVERY character that happens to have a comic title. And every character that Marvel owns is not a "SUPER-HERO" OR "SUPER-VILLAIN". Until they and others learn that, they are going to continue to misuse GR, The Punisher, Dead Pool, Wolverine, and Spawn (If we ever see another Spawn).
CrowPirate1 - 2/21/2012, 11:20 AM
They miss the step, like they do with the Punisher character.

The Punisher is a highly athletic, military trained commando that is fighting a war... even if it's in his own mind. He is on the front lines always, and every single day is played out taunt, tight, and violently. He is NOT just a guy on a revenge kick, loaded down with guns. I mean, come on!!

The Ghost Rider is Hell on Earth, and a leather jacketed presence on a motorcycle to boot! But, he is fighting for the good side, sending evil men and beings straight or back to Hell, like they deserve.

Both characters deserve action, violent movies. But both are layered, and very cool people. Not just a one sided/toned/layered shallow figure.

okay, I have vented enough. haha
Ryguy88 - 2/21/2012, 11:28 AM
I love how a few people think that Goyer is the reason Nolan's Batman movies are so well written.
Luigi - 2/21/2012, 12:13 PM
Aw man. When I was watching Drive Angry, I was thinking "this guy should make the Ghost Rider sequel". Now you're telling me that the director is a huge fan of Ghost Rider and wanted to make it Rated R? Aw man.. Is it just me or is Sony starting to turn in to the new Fox?
CaptainObvious - 2/21/2012, 12:14 PM
I have Goyer's original script and the movie was absolutely nothing like it.
nowtheresaBATman - 2/21/2012, 12:14 PM
"My day has been so awful I keep looking around to see if Nic Cage is in it."
Luigi - 2/21/2012, 12:20 PM
Apologies. I said Sony is the new Fox because they made three bad movies in a row. But Avi Arad was one of the reasons Spider-Man 3 sucked so much and I read this again and now you're saying... uh..
AlexDeLarge87 - 2/21/2012, 12:54 PM
Best thing in the new movie was Ghost Rider´s flaming skull!

If they someday make another movie. They better cast Josh Holloway as Ghost Rider.
Adamantium666 - 2/21/2012, 1:26 PM
I've read david goyer's script for Ghost Rider. And it sucked it was worse than SOV. It was boring and it wasn't respectful to the comic books. I don't understand why people like this guy. He Wrote Crow city of angles the david hasselhoff nick fury tv movie blade 3 and a really crappy venom vs carnage script.
Unionjack - 2/21/2012, 1:28 PM
I love all the Goyer bashing!! These people seem to forget that if it wasn't for Blade, we all would not be enjoying the comic book domination of the box office we have now.

Granted blade 3 was pants, but you need a great director to get the best out of a movie. You would have thought marvel/Sony would have learned from the mistakes of GR and gone for a full reboot and new cast!!
Mego - 2/21/2012, 2:39 PM
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CanadaMan - 2/21/2012, 2:53 PM
Wow, that was actually an awesome story Pat and Todd worte there. It certainly would have been better than SOV... :p And it provides closure with the first film, while maintaining a new tone and appeal.
ALmighty1080 - 2/21/2012, 4:06 PM
didnt goyer write a hard R ghost rider movie and they chopped it up into the movie that got released
NeoBaggins - 2/21/2012, 7:34 PM
Cowlamity45 - 2/21/2012, 7:36 PM
I finally was able to see this film for the first time this afternoon and now letting myself read the comments.

Wow. Never have I seen so many comments from people showing no signs they actually watched the film. We *are* talking about Ghost Rider 2 here aren't we?

The body language of the Rider alone can be reason enough to see this film even if I wasn't *also* so pleased with how the story turned out. While different from the comic book it still showed signs of all the same elements I was hoping to see and the potential of where of it can go to from there that had worked so well in the comic I have also noticed.

Do bear in mind I say this as someone who has been a fan of the comic book since it's beginning, so take that for whatever it's worth to you.

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