Why I Think PLANET HULK And WORLD WAR HULK Movies Can Work

Why I Think PLANET HULK And WORLD WAR HULK Movies Can Work

Planet Hulk and World War Hulk offer natural progressions for the character and present the best avenues to portray the Hulk on the big screen. Read on for my take on why this is something that could work very well, and why we should be looking forward to it.

After the alleged scoop that Latino Review's El Mayimbe dropped yesterday, many comic fan sites have been in an uproar over the potential ramification that Planet Hulk and World War Hulk movies have on Phase 3 of the MCU. Specifically, many fans are perturbed by this as they feel a Planet Hulk film sounds silly if not unlikely. At the same time, they feel portraying Hulk as a villain in Avengers 3 would be taking a step backwards from what they believe made the Hulk so popular in the first Avengers film. I, however, disagree with those two lines of thought and feel that they are in part influenced by a misconception of what exactly made Hulk popular in The Avengers and how a World War Hulk storyline would be handled in The Avengers 3. In this piece I will be breaking down the argument for why Planet Hulk and World War Hulk can work in Phase 3 of the MCU by addressing the criticisms of going in such a route.

Argument 1: The reason Hulk was so popular in the Avengers was because Marvel portrayed him as a hero

This is a misconception. The reason Hulk was a crowd pleaser and fan favorite in the Avengers is not particularly because he was played up as a hero but because we finally got to see the Hulk we've all wanted; one that smashes puny aliens and gods and looks cool while doing it. One that grins at the prospect of smashing something and has hilariously timed quips. Part of the problem with the first two Hulk movies was that the Hulk was only portrayed as a rampaging green monster and they didn't even attempt to touch on the comedic aspect of the character or, dare I say, his adorable side. The Avengers finally offered us a chance to see that and, wouldn't you know it, Marvel struck gold with it. So, from that Marvel realized that one of the ingredients necessary for a successful Hulk movie is depicting not only the giant green monster aspect of the character but the more comedic side of the Huk.

Argument 2: A Planet Hulk movie would be too silly for the general audience to buy into

A movie focused on a giant green monster is already silly in the first place. If there's anything that Marvel learned from Phase 1 about Hulk it's that audiences are willing to buy into the character, just not in the way they were portraying him in the first Hulk movie. Audiences don't want to see the Hulk being chased around by United States military for an entire movie nor do they want to see him fighting against regular people who he can't smash for obvious reasons. Planet Hulk offers Marvel the chance to capitalize on what I explained made him popular in the Avengers by giving him real threats that he can physically smash without horrifying families and their kids. It also presents the opportunity to show what the Hulk can be like without being chased around and on the run; what he can be like when he has an agenda.

Argument 3: Having the Hulk shot into space would be a step backward from what Marvel finally established in the Avengers

You could look at it that, or you could look at it as a natural progression of the character that works with what Joss Whedon said about digging a knife into the team. The Hulk is only going to be able to work with the Avengers for so long before the fact that he is a rage based monster rears its head again. No matter what, it's inevitable that Banner is going to lose control somehow. If not lose control, framed and used by someone. The Hulk character is, at its core, a tragic hero and ultimately must always be played up that way after a certain point. However, what Planet Hulk does is explore that tragic hero aspect of the character in a much more interesting light than traditional Hulk stories do. As I mentioned earlier, rather than play up the Hulk as a monster on the run, Planet Hulk shows us a much more contemporary tragic hero who has been betrayed by his allies and sent into exile. The Hulk, rather than run, must fight his way through an unknown planet to survive and conquer and eventually extract his revenge on the people who betrayed him. When I think about the type of character Hulk is played up as in Planet Hulk I think of a funnier version of Kratos. It has the potential to be gold on the big screen.

Argument 4: Having Hulk portrayed as a villain in Avengers 3 would hurt toy sales and wouldn't give the audience anyone to root for

This would be a valid argument if Hulk were to be the main villain of Avengers 3, which he in all likelihood will not be. In the MCU, Marvel Studios takes multiple storylines from the comics and combines them all into one film, an amalgamation if you will. The World War Hulk storyline would be just one element of a much bigger plot going on in the film. It's possible that Hulk returns to Earth with the true villain of the film and plans to extract revenge on the people who (he thinks at least) betrayed him, but ends up rejoining the Avengers through the course of the film and helps them take down the main antagonist. This would offer a great feel-good moment in the film and bring the Hulk's journey which began in The Avengers 2 to a satisfying conclusion and further vindicate the Hulk as a true hero. If anything, this plotline could help boost Hulk toy sales, not hurt them.

Argument 5: Bruce Banner would not be in the film enough, which is a problem because Mark Ruffalo's performance was a highlight of the Avengers

One of the faults in the first two films (see a pattern here?) is that they focused far too much on Bruce Banner when audiences came to see the Hulk. Banner has already proven he can't carry a movie, the Hulk probably can. Banner can work in spurts, especially with the wry sense of humor Ruffalo brings to the role, but too much of him just gets stale. A 70% Hulk, 30% Banner split is probably the best option.

Argument 6: Planet Hulk would be too expensive

If Marvel can make a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, they can make a Planet Hulk movie. 'Nuff said.

Argument 7: There is not enough time nor characters to introduce the Illuminati into the MCU

The MCU already has an Illuminati...they're called the World Security Council, who we saw in The Avengers.

Argument 8: Why would they shoot Hulk into space anyway?

As I said earlier, these movies are amalgamations of many comic book storylines. The Avengers combined several elements of the 616 Avengers line of comics with the Ultimate universe's equivalent, the Ultimates. In the 616 universe, the set up for Planet Hulk is that the Illuminati are fed up with the Hulk's actions and vote to ship him out to space. Now, the reasoning for this in the MCU could be pulled from the Ultimates 2 comics, which shows that public opinion has turned against the Hulk when it is discovered he has murdered hundreds of people. Now, obviously the Hulk won't be murdering people in the Avengers 2, but the basic concept could be the same.
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Tainted87 - 2/4/2013, 3:31 PM
Man, I was in the process of writing an article about the pros and cons of "Planet Hulk", but you beat me to it.

At this point, I'm doubting it on about a dozen different reasons.

ONE: Iron Man was saved by the Hulk. As Reed would be absent from the story entirely, he would be the one carrying the burden in any think-tank group, and I just can't see him leading the charge to have him banished... not for a good long while.

TWO: Reed will be absent because he's owned exclusively by Fox. Reed is the big brain behind every Illuminati decision, and it is through him that Namor, Black Bolt, and T'Challa are sought out to join. With Reed gone, we won't have THE BEST SCENE in World War Hulk where Susan is on the verge of giving herself an aneurysm trying to shield her husband from the wrath of Sakaarson. While that could be replaced with Janet and Hank, it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.

THREE: Why is Hulk getting shot into a wormhole? Yes, we know he's a monster capable of unspeakable acts of destruction, but he's also been revealed as a hero to the eyes and ears of everyone in Manhattan. He'd have to have a seriously dramatic turnaround for this to happen.
95 - 2/4/2013, 3:43 PM
I'm warming up to this idea too. I agree with everything you said. Good article, I pressed the Thumbs Up. I really agree with this: "natural progression of the character"...

I know that some people will come here and disagree with that statement, but we have to remember that Avengers 2 will probably end like many other sequels: the hero falls. Take Empire Strikes Back or The Dark Knight, for instance. I fully expect Joss Whedon to go this route.

Now the question is: who will be the villain of Avengers 2. I know people are saying Thanos, but I still don't think so. Plus, I really consider him to be the Galactus of the MCU. I think Ultron is possible and would fit the "personal" bill. On top of that, it will introduce Pym and eventually O'Grady for Wright's Ant-Man. I think Ultron could be the character to make the world turn on Banner. Ultron or the Masters Of Evil.

Once again, good article. You're making me like Phase 3 even more.
EdgyOutsider - 2/4/2013, 3:46 PM
Planet Hulk and World War Hulk would be a horrendous idea. It would be a poor pay off in Avengers 3.
FirstAvenger - 2/4/2013, 3:51 PM
I still don't believe it. But a planet hulk movie could work maybe sent by Thanos?
95 - 2/4/2013, 3:55 PM
@Tainted87 @LEVITIKUZ

Guys, Feige has been getting his way and I don't expect it to stop. Especially when he was in contentions for the Disney top job. Feige has wanted this Planet Hulk film. And who says it will be a verbatim adaptation? They make all of their films palatable (Thor could have failed).
MrCameron - 2/4/2013, 3:59 PM
Great article. I really agree with you about Hulk going after the Avengers when he gets to Earth and then rejoins them to fight off the true villain. Very well written.
BenClark - 2/4/2013, 4:01 PM
@Tainted87: I said in the article that the MCU version of the Illuminati right now are the World Security Council.

@LEVITIKUZ: Your first argument is pretty ridiculous. If Marvel thinks that they can make Planet Hulk work then Disney will finance it. There's a difference between a new property and a movie about an established character with mass market appeal like the Hulk. Not to mention the Hulk and John Carter are two completely different characters and, while the main plot of the films may be similar, the Hulk offers much more as a character.

As for your second argument, The Avengers can still be involved in the jettisoning of Hulk into space. The council will probably need them to subdue or trick Hulk into the space pod and they may be forced to comply because the Hulk will be hopelessly out of control.

Your argument that the entire movie has to be in CGI is an embellishment. Will it be heavily CGI? Yes, but not any more than GotG or John Carter were.

Hulk would not become an "outlaw" in A2. It's clear if it were to happen he'd either lose control so much in a sequence towards the end of the film that they'd have to get him off the planet or he's framed for something horrendous and they decide to do it. Either way, he would not be an outlaw throughout the entire second film like you seem to be implying. It would be an "Empire Strikes Back" type of plot twist for the film, which Whedon has talked about doing in the Avengers 2. And either you did not read the entire article or did not understand clearly, but I already addressed that Hulk will NOT be the main villain in A3 and his WWH storyline would just be an element of a much bigger plot in the film. He would rejoin the Avengers, help them defeat the main antagonist, and be vindicated as a hero once again. It obviously won't be a panel-for-panel adaptation of the WWH storyline as nothing is in the MCU. Read the article completely please.

And it seems like every new Marvel film announced is their first mistake.
BenClark - 2/4/2013, 4:12 PM
@95: Thanks. And yeah, I feel like A2 will end just like a TDK or Empire Strikes Back, with the team broken but still victorious and hopeful.

@DaRaginScotsman: Thanks.
FrenzyFreak - 2/4/2013, 4:50 PM
The MCU version of the Illuminati isn't the Security Council. The guy who dropped this scoop confirmed that the Illuminati would be IM, BP, Strange, Namor, Cap, and Black Bolt. And yes, right now we don't have a massive universe, but by the time A3 comes around we will. In A2 when the Illuminati send Hulk into space, they could fast forward to a point in the near future when the real Illuminati are formed. By the time A3 comes around, we might have Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Guardians of the Galaxy, Inhumans, Black Panther, Namor, Doctor Strange, Antman, Yellowjacket, Wasp, WInter Soldier, Daredevil, She-Hulk, Iron Fist, Sentry, Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage, Red Hulk, Spiderwoman, among others. You don't need Reed Richards or Prof. X. That universe is pretty friggin huge if you ask me.
FrenzyFreak - 2/4/2013, 5:06 PM
@BenClark And also, why wouldn't Hulk murder innocent people? If he loses control and goes on a rampage, what would stop him from hurting innocents? Do you have the false notion that these are stupid children movies and that would simply be too dark. I see why you would think that, based on the previous Marvel films, but I believe starting in Phase 2 that will change drastically. Feige's a smart guy and even though the film business is about money, he's one of those few guys who really wants to please the fans. He realizes that there's a greater risk of losing the adult fan base than the child one. If grown up fans keep on watching the same, light, immature films that they've been releasing they might just say screw it and read the comics which are darker. He also realizes that parents will take there children to see these movies regardless of the content as long as it's PG-13. We saw from the Batman films that this is quite true. I understand that in Phase 1 he didn't want to take that risk as TDK was only being released then and CBM's weren't as frequent those days, but I'm sure he now sees that making these films darker and more mature will not only keep the kids coming regardless, but rather attract non-CBM fans who want to see quality, serious movies and in doing so will actually increase ticket sales from before.
marvel72 - 2/4/2013, 6:14 PM
marvel have got plenty of time to build the hulk into whatever they like.

don't forget the avengers 3 won't be released earlier than 2017 or 2018,if the avengers 2 is coming out in 2015.

you'll have more movies on route to this event in which the hulk could be in as well.the shield tv show plus the hulk tv show if it gets rolling could also help explain the reason why they sent the hulk into space.

the illuminati will be the current new avengers team i.e captain america,iron man & dr.strange which have been in or have movies on the way.all they need to do is introduce the rest of them black panther,namor & the inhumans could all have movies in phase 3,as for reed richards you never know marvel might have the rights back by then.

why are people classing the hulk as the villain,i see it differently.

-he was tricked on a mission to go into space by the illuminati & nick fury.

-he crashed landed on the planet sakaar where he had to fight to survive in arena fights,took control of the planet from the red king & fell in love & became its ruler.

-he was actually at peace in place where he actually fit in.

-the illuminati set a bomb on the ship that was meant to kill the hulk but ended up killing the women he loved his unborn child & nearly destroying the whole planet.

-the hulk returned to earth for revenge against the so called heroes that sent him away & killed his family.

how is the hulk the villain?
xMichaelxScottx - 2/4/2013, 6:50 PM
I like it. I like your idea for The Illuminati.
SpoonWielder - 2/4/2013, 9:26 PM
I still retain that the MCU is too small for this to happen. Given I haven't seen any of the Phase 2 movies yet, but the majority of the members of the Illuminanti haven't been introduced yet. Even if they're on the roster for Phase 3, Elmayibe said Hulk would be sent out into space at the end of Avengers 2. So when he comes back in Avengers 3 he has no reason to be pissed at Dr. Strange for example, because he clearly wasn't around to make the decision to send him off. I'm not against the idea, it's just too soon.
GuardianDevil - 2/4/2013, 11:40 PM
I still hate this idea, yeah the comic was cool but not a movie. Hulk is a very popular character nowdays, do any of his true fans want him to get locked up and defeated and be portrayed as a villain? No, and besides in MCU he hasnt done anything very bad.

I for one, hate the idea of Hulk being portrayed like this, was it good in the comics? Yes, for a movie? No way, he won't sell first of all and none of his fans truly want a badguy Hulk I mean c'mon who REALLY wants their favorite hero to become a badguy who's attacking all the good guys?
AlexDeLarge87 - 2/5/2013, 3:06 AM
Planet Hulk wouldnt be that bad but i say no.

Hulk finally needs to face The Leader. I´ve waited that confrontation forever.
Just make it continue Edward Norton´s film.

After Banner/Hulk has helped The Avengers stop Loki´s invasion plans. Banner/Hulk is going back to do what he did in the beginning of Avengers. Helping people.
New mysterious villain named Leader arises and captures Banner/Hulk. Banner/Hulk sees that theres something familiar in this foe and finally finds out who he is. The Leader wants Hulk´s powers so he could make himself the most superior creature in the world. He has team of Hulk like creatures as his henchmen. Which he has created from the blood of his right hand man and Banner´s/Hulk´s old acquaintance The Abomination. Banner/Hulk is put in the tough situation when he tries to escape from the captivity from Leader´s Fortress, resist Leader´s attempt´s to break his mind and finally finish The Leader and his powerful creations.
That necessarily wouldnt be a long movie but that definitely would be a badass one.
jimoakley666 - 2/5/2013, 3:35 AM
I personally thing the 'scoop' is a load of old bollocks and if there is any credence to it, I'd imagine it's something someone has expressed as an idea only and they've run with it as concrete.

Irregardless of that, I just can't get excited about a Planet Hulk / WW Hulk concept. It was done in the comics as something different to the norm (and I personally wasn't that keen on it). Something to break the pattern and stand appart.

There is no norm for the cinematic Hulk. Even after several films there are far to many variations to still not have been explored without jumping the shark and pushing the credibility of the concept way past that of the 'general movie-going public's limit.

As a non-Hulk reader (I read Bruce Jones' amazing full run only) I always preferred the Hulk to be the bizarre mcguffin in the story. If you plop him in a whole world of odd he would then come off as the bland familiar character. And what's the point of that?
EarOne - 2/5/2013, 4:05 AM
i gotta say this..but, the reason for the first two Hulk flicks is plain and simple: they're not GOOD ENOUGH.

if the movie was done as well as the first Iron Man, or at least Thor and Cap America, it WOULD HAVE had the same big success as those movies.

Ang Lee's got the first and ONLY chance to make the character HUGE, but he blew it. aside from the technology that's not quite ready for bringin the green giant believable enough on the big screen, his treatment was just wrong and uneven. he tried to get all heavy and s**t with the whole father-son psychology stuff, while using the ANNOYING comic book style (i.e. all the stupid transitions).

now having been disappointed by that movie, The Incredible Hulk automatically got a really steep hill to climb from the get go..to get the non-fan audience back to the cineplexes for another fill of the character. and of course, there's the issue of repetition, with Banner's in hiding and being chased by Gen. Ross and his men (and women) in uniforms.

to quote Joss Whedon, it's a movie HE wouldn't've made. and THAT got me thinking if only Joss was hired in the first place to direct either of those Hulk solo flicks..things might've gone differently for the green goliath.

so, that's it...it just so happened the Hulk got dealt the wrong cards with the talents hired for his solo outings, unlike Iron Man with Jon Favreau and RDJ, or Thor with Ken Branagh and Chris Hemsworth.

i really wanna see an earlier Hulk solo movie with Joss Whedon and Mark Ruffalo + the rest of the cast from TIH..THAT woulda been something.
unknownfacts - 2/5/2013, 4:13 AM
Hulk wont be portrayed as a villian but as a man seeking vengence for the death of his family kind of like Hand that rock the cradle or Taken except more green.I think fans could get behind it.
Bread - 2/5/2013, 4:24 AM
They'll ship him into space because Thanos will control his mind and use him as his weapon. The council realizes he's too much of a potential threat to be kept on earth
Namor - 2/5/2013, 4:24 AM
not liking or buying it.. U haven't sold me in the least bit.
DoodPool - 2/5/2013, 4:48 AM
why write so much based on unsupported rumors? planet hulk would be a great movie but i doubt we will be seeing it anytime soon.
fortycals - 2/5/2013, 4:49 AM
Good article. Even before the scoop, I thought this is the way to take the hulk out of his solo movie slump. It could work on so many levels. There are so many ways to take this and make it happen. A2 wouldnt even have to focus around the sending hulk away. All that would have to happen in A2 is the con to send him into space in the after credits. The reasoning and illuminati could all be explained in Phase 3. The Illuminati could be the WSC or the real one from the books. I would lean towards the WSC just because the characters we already have dont have the power/infuence that they have in the books. Plus the WSC fit the bill already.Hulk wouldnt even go on some murdering rampage. All he would have to be is a great power that they cant control. They somehow get tony and friends to believe the con(fake space mission). The avengers ask Banner to go and you have planet hulk easy. This guy from LR, might have gotten some info and assumed the rest, or he could be lying his ass off.

Im less of a fan of WWH as a movie. They diffinately could use some elements from it, but i would really prefer another main villian. Reunion in the end to defeat the big bad. Classic team up formula.

Marvel studios has the keys to the house of mouse right now because of the avengers success and John Carters failure. They had the biggest movie of all time from disney, and until they actually fail there is no reason to believe that they wont get the greenlight for anything they want to do. Budget wise they will be okay. Technology wise they will definately be good, this is more than five years down the line in a rapidly moving field. With mickeys resources Cgi wont be a as big a cost cause it can all be done in house.
SomTingWong - 2/5/2013, 5:12 AM
Just before thanos dies he could shoot hulk into space and give home the illusion that the humans sent him. There
spidey23435 - 2/5/2013, 5:26 AM
I agree with almost all your points except the one about Planet Hulk and what it was about. It has been awhile since I read it but I am pretty sure it was originally about Hulk getting revenge but then he finds a home, a wife and even a son. He was a happy and by he I mean the Hulk not Banner. He was content to leave the other world behind, forget how he was persecuted. But then the ship he was on explodes destroying his new home, killing his people and most importantly his new wife. At this point he then blames the Illumanti for all the hurt and pain in his life, it shows for the first time maybe its not the Hulk that is the villian or the menace and he comes back to earth for vengance. Which I think would make it an excellent story but what it does then is paint the illuminati as the villians. I know you suggest to use the council in place of the heroes in the stories but then then it loses a lot of the feeling of the story as to me what was compelling to see is maybe the hulk should be just left alone but the heroes keep pulling him back in. With this council essentially already setup as the "bad guy" you would lose all of that meaning.
Lockjaw - 2/5/2013, 5:37 AM

Planet HULK is a good move for the HULKs next solo outing but i don't see WWH happening. For my 2 cents I would go with...

Avengers2 vs AIM, Ultron and have HULK blasted into space at the end setting up Planet HULK.

Avengers3 vs Thanos.

Oh and Fox, please, please, please incorporate the FF into the MCU!!!

2015 The Fantastic4 (Annilihus)
2015 AvengersII (AIM/Ultron)
2015 Ant-Man
2016 Planet HULK
2016 Dr.Strange (Mephisto/Dr.Doom)
2017 Captain America | Return of the Red Skull
2017 Thor3 (Enchantress/Executioner)
2018 FF2 | Inhumans (Maximus/Kree/Mahr-Vell)
2018 A3 - Earths Mightiest Heroes (Thanos/Annilihation wave)
2019 Ms.Marvel (Immortus)
2019 HULK SMASH! (Leader/RULK)
2020 FF3 | Atlantis (Namor)
2020 Black Panther
2021 Defenders (Silver Surfer)
2022 Earths Mightiest Heroes II (Galactus)
2024 FF4 | Dr.Doom
2025 Secret Invasion
Tainted87 - 2/5/2013, 6:39 AM
Wow, I just thought of a way PLANET Hulk would be possible, though World War Hulk would be kind of unreasonable afterwards (which is fine, because we don't need World War Hulk).

Consider during World War Hulk, particularly the X-Men tie-in series, where the Hulk is raiding the mansion. What does Darwin's body do?

So what would Ultron do to eliminate the Hulk, if of course, the Hulk is deemed immortal, or if Ultron is lacking the calculated ordinance to "kill" the Hulk?

Send him somewhere else. No Illuminati needed. Seriously, it wouldn't work anyway. MCU Tony just isn't that cold-blooded.
GrotzMcCord - 2/5/2013, 6:39 AM
Disney could easily keep the cost down by reusing most of the visual landscape from John Carter. No one saw that film and Planet Hulk shared many similarities. Even some of the Aliens looked similar. So the Planet Hulk storyline would actually be a plus for Disney.
JohnnyKrypton - 2/5/2013, 6:53 AM
Banner is the character. Hulk is the superpower.
GeekyCheekyChic - 2/5/2013, 6:56 AM
1. World Security Council
You mean the same council Fury ignored and the same council Maria Hill realized in the deleted scenes is a joke of an organization. These guys order the Hulk shot into space ? Then who does the capturing ? Tony Stark isn't going to let his new best friend just be taken so really you end up with The Avengers vs The WSC. They will protect the Hulk as established in Avengers 1. So no on that point.
2. Lets say Hulk is framed....by Ross ? No. Even Ross was established as warming to the Hulk as a hero in TIH. So him framing the Hulk- and excuse me the General would have to MURDER innocents just to exile ONE GUY ? Really ? nope doesn't work.
Well Thanos frames Hulk....Thanos wants the planet- he could give 2 shits if the Hulk is here or not. What you think Thanos cant stand toe to toe with the Hulk? he would be so scared that he concocts a plan to have him exiled ? nope that doesn't work.

3.(Im just randomly addressing this nonsense now)
If the WSC exiles the Hulk....why would the Hulk go after the Avengers when he gets back ? Wouldn't he just come back squash the human council and be done? Why would the Avengers fight the Hulk if they weren't even the ones that exiled him ?
4. Hulk comes back with the true villain but inevitably rejoins the Avengers....what villain ? The villain of Avengers 3 is Thanos. He is not the villain of part 2--I'm sorry if that breaks hearts but we aren't seeing Thanos until GOTG and Avengers 3. If you look at the phase 2 film slate you can see the seeds for a Masters of Evil type deal. Whedon isn't doing alien invasion 2 films in a row. When you finish watching Iron Man 3 and the stinger after the credits this will be more clear.
In all likelihood you will see:
Zemo or Red Skull, Abomination, CrossBones, someone from Starks' past and someone from Thors' past team up. AIM/MODOK are eventually going to rear their ugly head and HYDRA. Its been established its going to happen. The team will be in all likelihood Captain America,Falcon,Iron Man,Thor,Hulk,Black Widow,Hawkeye and hopefully one other female(for us chickies who dig comics)

5. Disney isn't going to back another John Carter-esque film even if it is the Hulk. If Feige really thought he could get a Planet Hulk movie we wouldn't have gotten the animated movie. Plus the movie was a 'feeler' of sorts to gauge popularity with casual fans because you cant just throw up a 300 million dollar Hulk flick and only hard core fans go see it.

6. With the current roster of heroes in MCU you just don't have enough for a WWH movie unless you re-write the damn thing BUT then why do it if you cant do the original story ? Hulk beating the piss out of the X-Men to get to Xavier was fantastic...so what? exclude that? What about Hulk vs the FF ? nope can't do that...so what we are left with Hulk vs Cap,Iron Man and Thor ? I'm not going to include Widow and Hawkeye in that fight- lets be realistic. Even with the additions of Dr Strange Ant Man Falcon and hopefully Vision and Black Panther(both very very unconfirmed) you still don't have enough to face off with Hulk,Hulk's crew AND Thanos !? what a one sided fight that is.

Look Im not being a hater- I have every single issue and crossover from the PH and WWH series- Im a huge fan of that storyine and Civil War but these stories are WAAAAAAAYYYY later than Phase 3 sorry. To do them justice very later- Phase 4 earliest.
Right now the Hulk is popular,he was a bright spot in the movie and knowing where the bread is buttered Whedon is going to keep the Hulk a mainstay member of the Avengers and the heavy muscle to take on Abomination and eventually Executioner and Thanos.
You made good points but sorry the counter points are stronger that PH and WWH is not phase 3 and ElMayimbe is full of it....just like when Latino Review got everyone's hopes up when they broke the Skrulls vs Avengers news that obviously was not true.
HULK2099 - 2/5/2013, 7:03 AM
I think both movies will get a better reception from us comic readers because we are familiar with the material and it's this kinda of initiative that we want to see, but with the general audience I can see why they really wouldn't warm up to it.
Super12 - 2/5/2013, 7:03 AM
Good article. I'm convinced. I'd love to see them emphasize the tragic hero aspect of Hulks story and send him away from Earth ( Bruce Banner? More like Bruce Bannished! *pause for riots of laughter*) and they don't need an illuminati to do that. The World Security Council will do just fine in the MCU. After Avengers 2 when he's banished would be a great time to do Planet Hulk or something that would then bring him back and redeem him. I like that. Great write up!
Tainted87 - 2/5/2013, 7:12 AM
Financing is still a bit of a problem. Yes the Avengers grossed $1.5 billion, but consider the individual Hulk movies. They were disappointments. Is the demand for a solo Hulk movie enough that Disney would now risk ANOTHER John Carter?

I just don't know.
Tainted87 - 2/5/2013, 7:24 AM
I could see it working out like Star Wars, where you've got one story happening on one planet, and another happening on another planet, moon, station, whatever.

Or Star Trek.

Make it a plot ELEMENT, but not the focus of the story. So Hulk gets shot across the galaxy to some planet we've never heard of, and finds a bunch of aliens enslaved by this tyrant. MEANWHILE....

Then the Hulk gets back to Earth and he and his Warbound can be big damn heroes.
GeekyCheekyChic - 2/5/2013, 7:27 AM
@Anyone thinking the World Security Council can act as the Illuminati...
Fury runs SHIELD, Maria and Fury have no respect for the WSC. The Avengers could give a flip about the WSC let alone Tony Stark. So if the WSC orders the Hulk banished...who is going to follow that order ? You think Iron Man and Thor aren't going to have some say ? Who shows up to slap the cuffs on Banner and toss him to space ? Who goes toe to toe with the Avengers to get to the Hulk ?
Xavier,Black Bolt,Richards,Namor,Stark- yeah now that carries weight but the WSC?? after Avengers 1 that is the last group anyone is taking orders from.
Tainted87 - 2/5/2013, 7:38 AM
I'm remembering the Justice League episode "Hereafter" where Superman appears to be "killed" by Toyman, but is really just sent far into the future where the only other living human being on the planet is the immortal Vandal Savage. Balance the scenes like that for "Planet Hulk", and it'd work out perfectly.
silverdog - 2/5/2013, 7:47 AM
planet hulk looks really difficult to make. general audiences liked both banner and hulk in the avengers, but that is not guarantee of a similar response to a just hulk movie with a 100% CGI main character. also they would have to change the hulk's personality. the hulk from PH is not as "primitive" as the one in avengers.

hope all is just a rumour and they go with ultron. "bad hulk" would be too similar to thanos.
fortycals - 2/5/2013, 8:14 AM
You guys can underestimate The WSC power, but remember they also launched a nuke from the Nick furys heli against his will. Anybody who reads knows that it was a con job that got Hulk/banner on that ship. They didnt do it by force. Its not unbelievable that the WSC could con the avengers to convince hulk/banner onto the ship to face a threat only he can deal with.
Tainted87 - 2/5/2013, 8:19 AM
Ok, fortycals, you're missing the big point.

WE DON'T WANT THE WSC. Don't want em anymore.
Danbojohnj - 2/5/2013, 8:31 AM
Having Hulk on the 'wrong'side in Civil War,then doing the smash stuff to IM and the rest of his team could work.
mgeoff88 - 2/5/2013, 8:31 AM
To be honest, I was really hoping for a sequel to TIH, but if done right, Planet Hulk would be an amazing movie.

I don't agree about the World Security Council being the MCU's version of The Illuminati. I don't want to see that at all. That's too easy of a fix for such an important group. Marvel Studios may not have the rights to Charles Xavier and Reed Richards, but they do have the rights to Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Namor, and Blackbolt.

In the fourth argument you presented, that is the only way the WWH storyline could work in Avengers 3. Thanos is supposed to be the main villain in Avengers 3, so that's the perfect way for that storyline to be adapted without taking focus away from him as the primary villain.
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