How Captain America gave true meaning to everything explained in IRON MAN 3 during THE AVENGERS

How Captain America gave true meaning to everything explained in IRON MAN 3 during THE AVENGERS

What did Steve Rogers tell Tony Stark back in Avengers, that would ultimately become Stark's journey through Iron Man 3, including the meaning behind the real Mandarin? Read on to find out. [Contains Spoilers.]

"How Captain America in AVENGERS gave the true meaning behind everything IRON MAN 3"

Contributors: Kobester

Iron Man 3 is Tony Stark's search for the answer to Captain America's question back in The Avengers: "Big man in a suit of armor. Take that away -- what are you?"

Tony had been holding onto his arc reactor chest piece because he thought it defined who he was as Iron Man, which is also why he spent a lot of sleepless nights building and building more armors.

At the end of IM3, with the help of the Extremis formula on Pepper, Tony could use it and also finally let his arc reactor go because he finally understood that Iron Man is the man who "built" the armor (The Mechanic) and not the armor that wears the man.

That similar meaning is also conveyed between Aldrich Killian and the real meaning behind The Mandarin. In other words, Killian was Tony, while The Mandarin was just Killian's suit of armor.

"I am the Mandarin" was what Killian said to Tony during their final battle, which did two things: 1st it highlighted probably Mandarin's most famous line "You'll never see me coming." 2nd it also reverberated the last thing Tony said before the end.

And despite that Tony no longer has any Iron Man suits to wear, it didn't matter anymore because like Tony said in the end of the film even without the armor, "I... AM Iron Man".


On a different sidenote, Killian was the human version of The Mandarin's Fing Fang Foom complete with dragon tattoos and fire breath!

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TypicalParkerLuck - 5/4/2013, 9:52 PM
100% Agree
StealthPWNAGE - 5/4/2013, 10:03 PM
Cool way of looking at it! :)
RextheKing - 5/4/2013, 10:11 PM
This article may just have killed any reason for people to hate the ending of Iron Man 3, unless they just plain hated the movie.
HongKongPooey - 5/4/2013, 10:11 PM
CoulsonLives - 5/4/2013, 10:13 PM
True Story!
SuperSpiderMan5778 - 5/4/2013, 10:19 PM
the movie was still shit...the same message could've been delivered while making a great Iron Man 3.
flames809 - 5/4/2013, 10:21 PM
still dont explain how they could mess up the mandarin like that was still ok.
flames809 - 5/4/2013, 10:21 PM
what super said
MrReese - 5/4/2013, 10:22 PM
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When that ^ happened I was like damn this [frick]ing guy is ruthless! Then the twist happened lol Trevor was [frick]ing funny though XD
EarOne - 5/4/2013, 10:40 PM
and THAT's what's so awesome bout MCU. they all ARE related.
Starkasm - 5/4/2013, 10:43 PM
I loved the dialogue piece at the end of the film
"You start with something pure, something exciting, then come the compromises"

People who bitch about Maya Hansen (rebacca hall) saying her arc was crap. She had virtually thw same arc as the Extremis storyline.
masterhater - 5/4/2013, 10:47 PM
I thought the movie was rad. All these Nolanites still bashing MCU. Screw u guys. The movie was way better than any of the batman movies. This movie made sense and didn't have the classic huge Nolan plot holes. IM3 was exciting, challenge the character and laid new ground. This movie was written and directed very well.

This article explains what is pretty obvious. Those who read this and found new information I feel sorry for u stupid mo fos.
MrLoki - 5/4/2013, 11:08 PM
That's a lovely article! The movie was great!
Starkasm - 5/4/2013, 11:10 PM
The "gold skin" is part of the suit stored in his body. Within his bone marrow I believe. Doesnt make him superhuman nor was he represented as one.
Starkasm - 5/4/2013, 11:13 PM

The bruce wayne trilogy because batman was a no show.
Starkasm - 5/4/2013, 11:15 PM

That'd be sweet.
ElmoTheThird - 5/4/2013, 11:41 PM
@batz11 Yeah I don't see the point in defending it anymore. I loved it so nothing else matters to me. The only thing that tiks me off is people bashing for stupid reasons. What can we do? Just let them groan.
Starkasm - 5/5/2013, 12:32 AM
Yes. Keen observation skills my friend
Happy11 - 5/5/2013, 1:17 AM
Will ppl stop saying it's only nolanites that hate IM3 I am not a "nolanite or a marvel fanboy" but the film was crap and the biggest disappointment this year.
Luminus - 5/5/2013, 1:46 AM
@SpidaTrav: Thanks for posting that vid. I agree with him completely!
Odin - 5/5/2013, 3:34 AM
"Killian was the human version of The Mandarin's Fing Fang Foom complete with dragon tattoos and fire breath!" Well holy shit, how didn't I realize that.
kevberg - 5/5/2013, 4:19 AM
WRONG. Sorry but the whole article is going with a flawed premise.


Because Tony was nearly mortally wounded, kidnapped by terrorists and figured out a way to escape. He Is Brilliant, He is Heroic, he did that BEFORE the suit.

Cap was ONLY talking about how he saw him at FIRST.

Its the same reason i thought the premise of IM 3 " is it the suit that makes the man" a flawed approach, because we've been with Tony, we know this dude is everything he says he is... Billionaire, Playboy, philanthropist , confident and genius.

he doesn't have to prove anything because he had those qualities because he developed the hero part before IM3.
kevberg - 5/5/2013, 4:44 AM
Sorry to start off so strongly, but that premise..I think its why this bothered me.

Tony Built the suit and did the nearly impossible. the terrorists were certainly cut his head off if he did get outta that cave. he was outnumbered, out gunned and they were using his tech to kill others. He made the suit. He saved himself.

If we Go back to the Avengers, Yes Cap said that to Tony..... But Tony later saves the Helicarrier AND Closes the Chitauri portal with a nuclear bomb by himself.

At That Point do you think Cap maybe gained a new respect for Tony? Does Tony not not seem heroic?

He further develop the Iron Man top take back his tech from terrorists and company...

Responsibility and Nobility?

The premise Shane Black went on the whole " does the suit make the man.." Seems forced and retread.

Whats Tony's one true weakness?

they say they can't address the acholism because of the kids. Can Black not do uncomfortable without doing a full on ugly " less than zero " approach?

Just a thought, but the scene in IM 2 showed Tony like that was uncomfortable, showed him reckless...a weakness.... ( granted i coulda lived with the attention to the Dj and music nods ) .

Just a thought.
Ramiel - 5/5/2013, 6:11 AM

You should know that Jeremy Jahns really enjoyed the movie. He gave it a rating equivalent to 4 out of 5 stars. Gosh, you're such a turd!
StrangerX - 5/5/2013, 6:17 AM
At least we still have Thor TDW.

I bet The Winter Soldier will be the biggest surpise out of phase II.
MisterJay - 5/5/2013, 6:32 AM
i'm a batman fan (not a nolanite) ... and i liked ironman 3 better than tdkr ...

100% agree with the article well said
FrostyVoice - 5/5/2013, 6:46 AM
fans come through with the details in the clutch
Jolt17 - 5/5/2013, 6:54 AM
Interesting insight on the subject, and I agree with your points. But I think your stances on Killian still need development; you've got the base of interpretation right, but not really on the points. Personally, I think Mandarin's, "You'll never see me coming," line is simply a hint that literally no one will see him coming, as he all along is indeed not doing anything. Just my two cents, and I believe you could've developed it even more.

One thing, though; Killian is an amalgamation of Iron Man: Extremis' Killian, Mallen, and the Mandarin himself. And if you missed it, one of Mallen's abilities is to breathe fire.

As for the tattoos, I believe it's a representation of Killian's Mandarin embodiment.
FirstAvenger - 5/5/2013, 7:08 AM
That makes sooo much sense, thanks dude!
Grayson7954 - 5/5/2013, 9:32 AM
Love the article, its pretty much what i figured as i watched the movie, and i read the twist before hand. so many fans get butt hurt but this was a great interpretation. is what i wanted to see? no. but the surprise and way they did it, the amalgamation of fing fang foom, mandarin, etc. was really cool. when i saw killian all glowing with the dragon tattoos, i was like thats frickin cool.
ClarkStark - 5/5/2013, 10:21 AM
Good analysis of the film and it's ties. I just wished Mandaring wasn't part of it as one who's read the books. But general audiences seem to love the twist, a lot of 8/10 reviews still.
BrownandYellowWolvie - 5/5/2013, 10:31 AM
i'm glad someone posted up the shot of Mallen breathing fire!

Fanboys may not like how The Mandarin was treated on screen, but the fantastical element of his 10 rings might have not fit into the bio-tech theme of the movie. I could see why they did that and honestly, The Mandarin isn't a great villain, so who cares??
Christuffer - 5/5/2013, 10:37 AM
To everybody who didn't like the movie, I question your ability to judge whether a movie is good or not. I'll swear it by any holy book: modern day audiences and fanboys LIKE to be disappointed. They crave disappointment. That's why you have no problem discrediting this movie, even though the majority of the world agrees it was awesome. People these days are near impossible to please and they don't wanna be pleased either. It's the side-effect of the whole, "your opinion is your opinion and [frick] everybody else" philosophy.

On a side note, I agree one hundred percent with this article. Great job!
Inhuman - 5/5/2013, 10:38 AM
I totally support this argument and article. I think Iron Man 3 was a worthy final installment in the series. He proved Captain America wrong because he kicked ass when he was outside of the suit. This is the kind of movie that will grow on people once they see it over and over again when it comes out on blu-ray.
Inhuman - 5/5/2013, 10:40 AM
Did anyone notice Killian talk about Thor and then show the universe? AIM has an agenda as far as space is concerned.
flames809 - 5/5/2013, 10:41 AM
way better than any other batman movie? so it was way better than the dark knight? i think not... Funny how people try to defend this film when they messed up mandarin big time who could of been great. But then if you change some like Bane who just doesn't have the venoms but still has the bane character personality fans will bash that because it isn't Marvel. Yea i see a lot of [frick]ing hypocrites around here... And no I'm not a nolanite but a batman fan and the dark knight trilogy is still the best., No other cbm has yet been able to beat nolan batman trilogy. Call me a hater if you want because all I'm doing is pointing out is the truth on this site. The site that will bash anything that isn't made by marvel even if they get a character right but change his costume, but then if marvel changes a character all together people in this site accept it. Because is [frick]ing MARVEL.. [frick]ING HYPOCRITES.
Inhuman - 5/5/2013, 10:45 AM
FYI: Iron Man 3 takes place 7 months after The Avengers.


Agents of SHIELD
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Guardians Of The Galaxy
The Avengers 2
BrownandYellowWolvie - 5/5/2013, 10:59 AM
Again, BESIDES The Mandarin, this movie had GREAT comic book references.

Terrorist bombings: In Invincible Iron man, Ezekial Stane uses suicide bombers

Extremis: self explanatory, the formula has about the same effects and Killian and Hansen are both present. As mentioned above, Killian breathed fire like Mallen from the comics.

Pepper Pots in Armor: a nod to Rescue

Iron Patriot: Nod to Osborn's Iron Patriot

Iron Legion: Self explanatory

Hall of Armors: Self explanatory (would have liked to see this more)

Implants in Tony's arms to control armor: although Tony did not inject himself with Extremis in this movie, the implants to control his armor are reminiscent of what he used in the comics along with the extremis.

Ability to remotely control armors: taken from Invincible Iron Man

Removal or Arc Reactor: he removed his arc reactor in the comics too, although temporary.

There are many more things that i can't think of as well. The point is, Marvel Studios made a great movie. Sure they took a risk with the Mandarin, but i'm sure this fits into the overall plan that they are working on. I seriously don't understand why there are so many complaints about the movie.
flames809 - 5/5/2013, 11:08 AM
brownandyellow- my complaint is that marvel fans are hypocrite hating all the changes nolan did to his batman but still staying true to who the character is, but when marvel does it to one of there own character and changes it up to not even be the character at all.Its all good because its Marvel that did it.. [frick]ing hypocrites..
CapFan79 - 5/5/2013, 7:03 PM
Good points.

It's possible that the Thor and Cap sequels will shed light on IM3 events. If they take place simultaneously that would at least explain why Cap didn't get involved in IM3 events (you'd think fighting terrorism and rescuing a kidnapped president are part of Cap's job description).
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