EDITORIAL: The Pros And Cons of WB's Making The DC Movie Universe The Marvel Way and The Pros And Cons of Making The DC Movie Universe Starting With JUSTICE LEAGUE

EDITORIAL: The Pros And Cons of WB's Making The DC Movie Universe The Marvel Way and The Pros And Cons of Making The DC Movie Universe Starting With JUSTICE LEAGUE

LEVITIKUZ looks at the Pros and Cons for WB's making the DC Movie Universe "The Marvel Way" and I look at the Pros and Cons for making the DC Movie Universe Starting with the JUSTICE LEAGUE. Take a look.

WOW, that title is a mouthful. I told you guys I’m done writing Justice League articles. I don’t know why I’m writing this one. Actually I do. The main reason is because I saw and read Tainted87’s “Breaking Into the Justice League” and jpfola26’s “Don´t Listen: A response to "Breaking Into The Justice League by Tainted87”. Both guys bring up good points. One side says it’s a good idea doing the Justice League before solo movies. Another side disagrees. I decided to write an article on the pros and cons of both sides. I’m going to look at 3 pros and cons on why WB’s should do the Marvel way and 3 pros and cons on why WB’s should do the JL first. Let’s begin.

Why Warner Bros. Should Do “The Marvel Way”


1. It’s A Way That Works

Marvel’s idea of a shared universe set through 5 movies to lead to The Avengers was risky but it paid off. We now know this is a system that works. WB’s should use this system for its character knowing that it works. Think of Marvel as a guinea pig to WB’s. They wanted to see if what Marvel did would pay off and it did. Using the blueprint Marvel did would give you success.

2. You Build Up Anticipation To The Justice League

In the after credits of Iron Man one could say that is when the show really began. We saw Samuel L. Jackson meeting with Tony Stark asking about the Avengers. Then in The Incredible Hulk we saw Robert Downey Jr. telling General Ross that their putting together a team. I can go on and on but my point is thanks to each film, it built up The Avenger. If you didn’t have those movies, The Avengers may not have done as well as they did. If they did this for the Justice League, hell they could have more hype than The Avengers

3. You Can Introduce Each Character

The important thing about The Avengers is you introduced the big 4 and some other characters and their origins in the solo movies. This is important. We all saw how they became the heroes they are in The Avenger. We saw who they were, what made them who they are. It’s important to tell where the hero is from and how he or she came to be.


1. The Avenger’s Were B-List Heroes, The Justice League Is A-List

I am not at all dissing The Avengers but before The Avengers everyone on the team except Hulk were B-List heroes. No one really knew Iron Man until Downey’s film. No one knew Thor and Cap until their movies. Because we didn’t see Marvel’s big 2 in The Avengers, (Spider-Man and Wolverine), we didn’t know all that many members so Marvel had to introduce them before The Avengers. Now those heroes moved from the B-List to the A-List. People know the Justice League. People know Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern. The only hero on the Justice League who you may need to tell their background is Martian Manhunter.

2. Just Because You Have A Solo Movie Does Not Mean It Will Be Successful

Just because you give a character a solo movie doesn’t mean it will be successful. Look at The Incredible Hulk. In my mind the second best Marvel solo movie and still we don’t have a sequel to that. Thor wasn’t that much of a success and neither was Captain America: The First Avenger. The only successful movies were the Iron Man ones. Just because you give a character a film doesn’t mean they will be great.

3. Your Copying Marvel

One problem I believe WB’s has with this doing it the Marvel way is your copying them. They think that if they do what Marvel did, they are holding up a white flag saying Marvel is better.

Why Warner Bros. Should Do The Justice League First


1. It Will Increase The Popularity Of The Characters And People Would Want Solo Movies From Them

This isn’t opinion; this is fact and let me tell you why. If I told you Marvel was going to do a Hawkeye & Black Widow movie to lead up to The Avengers, would anyone want to see it? No. After The Avengers came out, people now would like to see a possible Hawkeye & Black Widow movie. Also let’s look at the Hulk. Marvel finally got the Hulk right. We found the right actor; we got people loving the Hulk. So what’s next for the Hulk? Avengers 2. No one wants that to be the next time we want to see the Hulk. We want to see him have his own movie. I don’t get why Marvel is thinking Plant Hulk because that did a Hulk story that came from people dislike the Hulk. People now love the Hulk. If we can get people to support the Hulk, Hawkeye, and Black Widow so we can see a movie from them, people will do the same for Wonder Woman and Flash. The Justice League movie could be what it takes to get Wonder Woman and the Flash to have their solo movie.

2. It Could Give WB’s A Lot Of Confidence In The Superhero Department

Let’s face it, unless you see the name Donner, Burton, Nolan or Snyder, you don’t have a lot of confidence in a DC movie. WB’s needs some confidence. If the Justice League is successful it could be a huge monkey off WB’s back that would make WB’s more interested in making good superhero movies for the sake of making good superhero movies.

3. If The JUSTICE LEAGUE Movie Is Great, It’s Smooth Sailing In Creating A DC Movie Universe

I am a DC fan. I love what Marvel did and want the same from DC. If the Justice League movie is great, it’s easy to make solo movies for these characters. Look at what happen with The Avengers. There is more hype for Thor 2 and Captain America 2 then there was for their first movies. Iron Man will always have hype. WB’s could built more hype for these characters who people want on the big screen if the Justice League is great then they would if they introduced them before the Justice League.


1. It’s Risky As Hell

To quote Eminem, "YOU GET ONE SHOT, DO NOT MISS YOUR CHANCE TO BLOW." WB’S I HOPE YOUR LISTENING IF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE FAILS YOU CAN’T CONTIUNE. YOU CAN’T REBOOT OR GO ON. YOU GET ONE SHOT! The Justice League movie will be the first movie for Wonder Woman and Flash and if that fails you might not see a solo film from them. The Snyder/Nolan Superman series will be done. You destroy everything Nolan did to Batman if your Batman fails. There is so much risk to doing this. The one thing I like is even though it sounds stupid that WB’s executives went undercover in comic stores, they did it to hear from fans. They want the fans input on this film. They want it to be successful but this is a huge risk.

2. You Won’t Have The Hype THE AVENGERS Had

I really can’t say it will have the same hype as The Avengers. Let’s look at the 2 biggest movies of the year. The Avengers were built up in 5 movies, The Dark Knight Rises was built up because of the first 2 Nolan Batman movies. Can you really say your hyped about a movie in which the only ones to hype it up is Man of Steel and Lobo. Not sure I can be. Sure it’s the Justice League but still can you say without a Batman, Wonder Woman, or Flash movie leading up to this it will be as hyped as The Avenger. I can’t.

3. It Could Be The Batman & Superman Show

You haven’t had any success with any other characters besides Batman & Superman. My problem is that the film will become to center with the big 2 and will treat the other heroes as sidekicks. It has been reported that the script Will Beall has for the Justice League movie has Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman but my problem is if WB’s digs their noses into it and want to change it up.

So there you have it. We have pros and cons from both sides. One side isn’t really better than the other. Now it’s your choice. Which way do you prefer and why? See ya. Peace. Also one more thing, I’ve seen many JL articles that have been featured that show the 2nd JL photo I have but don’t include Martian Manhunter. Come on man. Give J’onn some love and use the photo that has him in it too.
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Tainted87 - 10/3/2012, 3:30 PM
A few months before the Avengers was to be released, there was a lot of talk that it was going to be Iron Man and Friends, or Iron Man 3... where obviously Tony would get the spotlight and the rest of the cast would be there in a supporting capacity.

We saw that that wasn't the case.

In my opinion, though, the WORST CASE SCENARIO (with the rumored information we have so far), is that indeed, the movie will be focused on the big three, while the rest just play the support. If that happens - it is still a winning scenario. It may not be the best method of promoting future films, but it would still be very effective.

These characters: Flash, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman - whoever is actually included... will finally have their chance to leave an impression with a global audience. Unless they make you HATE these characters, which I guess, is possible... DC's market demand will expand.

Right now, there's not much, if any demand... to see a Martian Manhunter movie. If you look at my Kirby/J'onn avatar, you'll see I admire the character. He is in fact, my favorite character of the Justice League, and perhaps my favorite DC character considering all of his enormous potential. Even so, I acknowledge that the general audience has NO IDEA who he is. If he had a standalone movie before the Justice League - it would tank faster than John Carter. I loved John Carter.

His appearance in another movie as a supporting character would be the BEST THING EVER for his solo outing/prequel/origin story.

I promise not to hijack your article, L3VITIKUZZ93, but I want to put this out there...

This is not some offhanded remark as if they are lacking - I just want people to consider what they SHOULD offer one another.

The Avengers is a team. The Justice League is a family. In the DCAU, Hawkgirl made a corny quip about how they should be called the "Just-Us League", as they are all orphans and exiles - but feel at home among each other.

I think some of the movies that follow "Justice League" should travel in pairs, trios even. Let that camaraderie develop.
Tainted87 - 10/3/2012, 3:31 PM
Wow, I just noticed that misspelling... embarrassing...
GOTG - 10/3/2012, 3:43 PM
great article, good viewpoints, do more f these alot better than some of the other bad editorials
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 3:45 PM
I'm going to write a response to this.
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 3:45 PM
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 3:46 PM
DC should NOT copy Marvel.
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 3:55 PM
You seem mad. I just want to debate.
Tainted87 - 10/3/2012, 4:03 PM
Yeah, but in the comics, the White Martians have nothing to do with what happened to his people, or why he's on Earth. They didn't even call them the White Martians on the show, just "the Imperium", although their abilities are loosely based off of the White Martians.

The video game that followed depicted the White Martians as the ones who wiped out the Green Martians, although no motivation or reasoning was given.

I have my own fan-fic I'm writing on it, based off of John Ostrander's run on Martian Manhunter, where his brother creates a plague that ignites every Martian who utilizes their telepathy - killing them. I'm not going to post it in the fan-fiction section because it would be far too long - not even a quarter of the way in, and it's already 23 pages.

Like Superman (Donner), it would begin with Ma'alefa'ak's sentencing before the Assembly, for the crime of two known counts of mind-rape and one murder. The punishment is "reclamation" where the Assembly uses their telepathy to shut down Ma'alefa'ak's, and the resulting damage to his mind would be total memory loss. The "reclaimed" are typically cast out to wander the desert wastelands, unable to keep their form, not knowing who they are, and are said to rejoin the Martian soil.

J'onn hasn't come to terms with this, believes there was once good - his brother was a scientific genius who made many advancements for the Martian race - he deserves a second chance. Using his position as husband to one of Ma'alefa'ak's surviving victims, son to the deceased, and as one of the most dedicated Manhunters on the force - J'onn is allowed to rehabilitate Ma'alefa'ak in private.

The story from there would show from the viewpoint of Ma'alefa'ak, how Martian society is. How despite having the natural ability to shape-shift, they still obsess over their appearance. How they seldom communicate aloud because they are telepathic, but have their telepathy locked into different "channels" or simulated frequencies - mental guards that they let loose with friends and family. How they enjoy manual labor because of the physical range their bodies are capable of. And yet, they are still very static in their happiness. Ma'alefa'ak, who is learning to control his body, to give it form while his mind heals - comes to regard Martians as shallow and prejudiced: they cannot bear his presence NOT because of his past crime (which he isn't told about), but his lack of telepathy is an empty void to them.

Influence comes from "The Skin I Live In"
Tainted87 - 10/3/2012, 4:04 PM
The misspelling was mine - on my Justice League picture.
Jollem - 10/3/2012, 4:09 PM
nice article, LEVITIKUZ
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 4:14 PM
I'm done with my response.
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 4:22 PM
I see that you like Eminem. Cool
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 4:26 PM
Actually I read it before, but when I read it AGAIN I commented on that quote.
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 4:27 PM
What is your favorite Eminem album? Song?
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 4:29 PM
Worse than Batman and Robin?! That's a bit harsh. My article is not THAT bad.
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 4:43 PM
Favorite album: MMLP

Favorite song: Stan & Lose Yourself
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 5:03 PM
I might do Part 2 to my new article.
FrozenJoy - 10/3/2012, 5:24 PM
You mad bro?
lokibane2012 - 10/3/2012, 5:30 PM
Ugh, i hate Alex Ross' artwork. He is a FANTASTIC artist, that's for sure. But drawing superheros realistically makes them all look stupid.
nihcamja - 10/3/2012, 7:32 PM
Nice article,I agree with this.
jjk2814 - 10/3/2012, 8:10 PM
The basic philosophy of this article is what puts it above the rest. I commend LEVITIKUZ for posting this as a pros vs cons approach to the issue.
jjk2814 - 10/3/2012, 8:20 PM
*also looking forward to teabag's boobs tomorrow.
Jefferys - 10/4/2012, 12:06 AM
Finally! An editorial that I can be excited about… well half excited. Not much has excited me since I killed my wife. It was worth it though.
But yes, if Justice League movie was to come out first with no solo's except Supes than I wouldn't cringe too much, but I'd love it if they brought out a Wonder Woman movie and it was super successful. It'd be a nice way to beat MARVEL to a punch (first woman lead movie). They tried Catwoman with Hallie Berry but… *shivers*. On the other hand! If they used Annie in a Catwoman movie, with the right direction, it would be a good film.
Though I'm not the biggest fan of Alex Ross' designs for some of his realistic hero drawings, he makes the costumes seem very stupid. Both MARVEL and DC. Has he done one for the New 52 or MARVEL lately?

But, I'm getting off track. This was a well written article with points that fitted well together. But then again, I love all your articles Levi, shame they don't usually make front page. It definitely needs more attention for the points would really settle everyone down (except trolls like AvengerFan).
Darklypse - 10/4/2012, 12:21 AM
Great article and well written. I am now starting to understand the otherside and see why they want standalone so much, so at this point, I don't care too much. Perhaps have Superman, Batman and World's Finest before Justice League then do the rest of the heroes. I'm sure those three films alone if done right will create as much hype as the Avengers had.
Jollem - 10/4/2012, 12:45 AM
@teabag - from what i've witnessed and known, in america here, the flash and green lantern and, yes, aquaman are well-known characters. lot's of green lantern shirts and flash shirts. i remember seeing flash and green lantern's emblem in many different kinds of media. there was a coffee shop in my town that was called the green lantern and the owner of my comic book shop's favorite character is the flash. i'll say again; i don't know how it is across the pond, but the flash, green lantern, and even aquaman are not obscure characters

i have never in my many years as a comic book fan to know of the fan base of thor, cap, and especially iron man like i do now because of the movies
Darklypse - 10/4/2012, 3:45 AM
Lol. You're funny.
GoILL - 10/4/2012, 6:33 AM
lokibane2012 - 10/4/2012, 6:52 AM
About the article, both sides of the argument are laid out pretty well. Great job on not writing a cun't whiny article (like most articles about JL are), and showing some manner of objective thinking.

I've always been of the opinion that solo films are the way to go. If you fail with a solo film. You can always reboot a few years later and the audience will forgive. Or, like Hulk, you could redeem the character in the team-up film. Even after Green Lantern bombed, there are several ways of salvaging the situation that have already been discussed on several other threads here.

So yeah, it is kinda risky but not nearly as much as Justice League failing would be...
lokibane2012 - 10/4/2012, 6:56 AM

The Tarzan story about India is a lie. The most popular superhero in India is Spider-Man. I know. I have lived there for a while.

PS Back in the 90s it was Batman. Yeah, they were even ok with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin (shudders). But since the early 2000s, the big superhero is Spidey.
AC1 - 10/4/2012, 8:19 AM
I think the best approach would be solo films for a lot of the team before hand (e.g. Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc) but spin-off origin movies for other members like Batman and Green Lantern, who have already had movies recently, and characters like Aquaman or Martian Manhunter, as the JL could be a window for audiences to see that they're good characters worth movies.
Jollem - 10/4/2012, 12:13 PM
@teabag - i'm just happy for marvel that they finally made a way for people to care about the avengers and their characters. they finally get some love after so many years :)
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:15 PM
Why don't you accept negative comments? I sure do.
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:16 PM
jpfola26 does have a point, this article could have been better.
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:16 PM
You need to work on the cons.
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:17 PM
I'm just giving you some advice, take it or leave it.
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:18 PM
Btw, why the [frick] were my articles deleted?! :(
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:21 PM
"3. Your Copying Marvel" should be "You're copying Marvel"
And it's too short.
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:22 PM
I'm not a troll, I am an adviser. I help people write better articles.
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:23 PM
The section "3. Your Copying Marvel" only has 2 sentences.
FrozenJoy - 10/4/2012, 4:26 PM
That's pretty much it. Remember I'm not hating, I'm helping.
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